Fassbender looks so different from Jobs that I have some trouble with the character. Been a long time since I read that Bio, but I am not under the impression there was much open conflict between Woz and Jobs. I thought it was more that Woz felt betrayed and maybe bitter but didn't really confront him about it. I recall like Woz being upset about the whole Atari Breakout thing, etc.
I kept thinking it was Sculley I was watching and not Jobs. I don't think it is essential for an actor to look like the person they are portraying to be good but everyone looked so odd I found myself thinking about that rather than the story. He appears to be dressed in a suit most of the time which certainly is not the way he is generally perceived.
This is not the movie so perhaps it will work, but I have my doubts.You have to accentuate the drama in a trailer for it to work and the sole purpose of a trailer is to bring people to the theatre but this didn't do it for me at all. I got the feeling dramatic licence got the upper hand resulting in serious history and character revisionism.
And what is it with the "If a fire causes a stampede to the unmarked exits it will have been well worth it for those who survive", line at the end???? Even if Steve Jobs ever uttered those words it really jars. Why is it in the trailer? It is a throw away line that now has been given some kind of character defining gravitas. Is that the punctuating line that in the eyes of the film makers sum up Steve Jobs? :no:
And what is it with the "If a fire causes a stampede to the unmarked exits it will have been well worth it for those who survive", line at the end???? Even if Steve Jobs ever uttered those words it really jars. Why is it in the trailer? It is a throw away line that now has been given some kind of character defining gravitas. Is that the punctuating line that in the eyes of the film makers sum up Steve Jobs? :no:
Not sure why you think it was at the end. It was in the middle (a full minute left after it) and kind of funny.
It will go through his life, upto the iPad announcement.
The whole point of these conversations that didn't happen is to explain the plot to those who know nothing. Woz probably didn't ask jobs what exactly he did, but somebody probably did.
Pathetic. Looks like another lazy Jobs hit-piece by people who didn't understand a fucking thing about him, the laziest kind of film making possible. Every SINGLE scene in that trailer showed Jobs in an extremely negative light, a nasty narcissist with not one redeeming factor. Really? I mean, really? This is the person that so many followed, and so many claimed to love?
I find it really off putting how these film makers feel fine redefining someone who has passed so recently, into a monster, for their own benefit, and giving him nasty lines that there's no way he ever said in real life. Nice to see the Lisa thing will take center stage again, instead of so many more interesting things at Apple that actually reflect who he was. I can't believe I expected this to be different and a bit more subtle. Also, Fassbender is a horrible choice, they would have been better off using someone unknown who doesn't create so much suspension of disbelief.
I actually like Fassbender in the role. Hollywood does this dramatization shit and the movie's source material was flimsy at best so if this movie tanks I expect it to be because of that. I'm going to give it shot.
Sorry, I read your post on the evils of "sugar" last week and presumed you were a healthy eater.
Maybe it was someone else.
Sugar is indeed 'evil', both in terms of individual and public health, as well as business. 'Big Sugar' is similar to 'Big Tobacco' in many ways. It doesn't take much research and thought to discover who the 'Big Losers' are, as ever.
An interesting fact... The average American consumes 3 pounds of sugar each week—or 3,550 pounds in an entire lifetime. This is equivalent to about 1,767,900 Skittles, which is enough sugar to fill an industrialized dumpster.
Not sure why you think it was at the end. It was in the middle (a full minute left after it) and kind of funny.
Ah, yes. You are right. Someone rang the bell and I paused it. When I came back I wrote my comment. Hmmm.... I must be eating too much sugar or something. I watched the trailer again and really do not like it. Maybe when I have seen it a hundred times on television I'll warm to it. I am no Danny Boyle fan (loved Trainspotting) so perhaps biased. But it is not possible to critique a movie based on a trailer so we'll have to wait until it is released.
Ah, yes. You are right. Someone rang the bell and I paused it. When I came back I wrote my comment. Hmmm.... I must be eating too much sugar or something. I watched the trailer again and really do not like it. Maybe when I have seen it a hundred times on television I'll warm to it. I am no Danny Boyle fan (loved Trainspotting) so perhaps biased. But it is not possible to critique a movie based on a trailer so we'll have to wait until it is released.
Having said all that, I'm really looking forward to seeing Star Wars: Episode VII.
Pathetic. Looks like another lazy Jobs hit-piece by people who didn't understand a fucking thing about him, the laziest kind of film making possible. Every SINGLE scene in that trailer showed Jobs in an extremely negative light, a nasty narcissist with not one redeeming factor. Really? I mean, really? This is the person that so many followed, and so many claimed to love?
I find it really off putting how these film makers feel fine redefining someone who has passed so recently, into a monster, for their own benefit, and giving him nasty lines that there's no way he ever said in real life. Nice to see the Lisa thing will take center stage again, instead of so many more interesting things at Apple that actually reflect who he was. I can't believe I expected this to be different and a bit more subtle. Also, Fassbender is a horrible choice, they would have been better off using someone unknown who doesn't create so much suspension of disbelief.
I suppose it's possible that they just don't want the first impression to be of a Jobs glorification, so that they don't alienate the skeptics/haters/uninformed, and that overall the movie will be balanced and appropriately acknowledge Steve's complexity and the power of his vision. But, the fact that they're so willing to make Woz a dramatic character, when by all other accounts he is definitely not, is not a good sign. There are ways to elevate Woz and his contribution without making him a dramatic character.
It also seems like Seth Rogan is a terrible person to play the role; I like him in most of his roles, but he usually plays characters that are 'cool goofy' (Zack and Miri Make a Porno, The Interview), which is hugely different than Woz's 'nerdy goofy' (Dancing with the stars, riding segways).
Sugar is indeed 'evil', both in terms of individual and public health, as well as business. 'Big Sugar' is similar to 'Big Tobacco' in many ways. It doesn't take much research and thought to discover who the 'Big Losers' are, as ever.
An interesting fact... The average American consumes 3 pounds of sugar each week—or 3,550 pounds in an entire lifetime. This is equivalent to about 1,767,900 Skittles, which is enough sugar to fill an industrialized dumpster.
That is an very interesting fact. Thx.
I used to say, sugar (i.e., processed food) caused chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation causes chronic diseases, which includes most cancers. Now I just say, "Sugar feeds cancer." A bit simplistic, I know.
Also, I think Alzheimer's and Dementia will eventually be attributed to excessive intake of sugar and be labelled Diabetes 3.
I just can't get past the complete lack of physical resemblance. It's not necessary for an actor to look identical to the source in a biopic, but man, I just can't help thinking Bale or DiCaprio would have been far better. Hell, bring Noah Wyle back. I can't help thinking that Kutcher would have been great if he did this movie instead of the other.
Hmm.... I don't believe Wozniak ever questioned Jobs like that. "I'm an engineer. What do YOU do?" Wozniak knew Jobs had vision and talent.
The real Woz knows that. He was close to Jobs, and Jobs regarded him highly. Frequently, movies have to combine characters and people to make the dramatic threads in the screenplay manageable for a 1.5-to-2-hour movie. I wouldn't be surprised if Sorkin gave that line of dialog to Woz not because it is remotely accurate for Woz, but he needed a character to challenge Jobs at that point in the story.
Why not focus more on the last few years of Steve's life, instead of regurgitating the Lisa thing again and again for drama? It's clear they got zero input from people that actually knew Steve, as evidenced by his one dimensional portrayal. Looks horrific. I feel bad for Steve's family, his widow and his kids, as well as all those who worked with him at Apple and loved him, to see him redefined to the masses like this as basically the worst person that ever lived.
No, if you want one-dimensional rehash informed solely by the people who hated Jobs and Apple critics, check out Alex Gibney's biographical documentary of Jobs. It's a complete hatchet job. It should be coming to Netflix in the next year or so. It's not even remotely fair.
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This is not the movie so perhaps it will work, but I have my doubts.You have to accentuate the drama in a trailer for it to work and the sole purpose of a trailer is to bring people to the theatre but this didn't do it for me at all. I got the feeling dramatic licence got the upper hand resulting in serious history and character revisionism.
And what is it with the "If a fire causes a stampede to the unmarked exits it will have been well worth it for those who survive", line at the end???? Even if Steve Jobs ever uttered those words it really jars. Why is it in the trailer? It is a throw away line that now has been given some kind of character defining gravitas. Is that the punctuating line that in the eyes of the film makers sum up Steve Jobs? :no:
Not sure why you think it was at the end. It was in the middle (a full minute left after it) and kind of funny.
The whole point of these conversations that didn't happen is to explain the plot to those who know nothing. Woz probably didn't ask jobs what exactly he did, but somebody probably did.
An interesting fact... The average American consumes 3 pounds of sugar each week—or 3,550 pounds in an entire lifetime. This is equivalent to about 1,767,900 Skittles, which is enough sugar to fill an industrialized dumpster.
Having said all that, I'm really looking forward to seeing Star Wars: Episode VII.
Pathetic. Looks like another lazy Jobs hit-piece by people who didn't understand a fucking thing about him, the laziest kind of film making possible. Every SINGLE scene in that trailer showed Jobs in an extremely negative light, a nasty narcissist with not one redeeming factor. Really? I mean, really? This is the person that so many followed, and so many claimed to love?
I find it really off putting how these film makers feel fine redefining someone who has passed so recently, into a monster, for their own benefit, and giving him nasty lines that there's no way he ever said in real life. Nice to see the Lisa thing will take center stage again, instead of so many more interesting things at Apple that actually reflect who he was. I can't believe I expected this to be different and a bit more subtle. Also, Fassbender is a horrible choice, they would have been better off using someone unknown who doesn't create so much suspension of disbelief.
I suppose it's possible that they just don't want the first impression to be of a Jobs glorification, so that they don't alienate the skeptics/haters/uninformed, and that overall the movie will be balanced and appropriately acknowledge Steve's complexity and the power of his vision. But, the fact that they're so willing to make Woz a dramatic character, when by all other accounts he is definitely not, is not a good sign. There are ways to elevate Woz and his contribution without making him a dramatic character.
It also seems like Seth Rogan is a terrible person to play the role; I like him in most of his roles, but he usually plays characters that are 'cool goofy' (Zack and Miri Make a Porno, The Interview), which is hugely different than Woz's 'nerdy goofy' (Dancing with the stars, riding segways).
Sugar is indeed 'evil', both in terms of individual and public health, as well as business. 'Big Sugar' is similar to 'Big Tobacco' in many ways. It doesn't take much research and thought to discover who the 'Big Losers' are, as ever.
An interesting fact... The average American consumes 3 pounds of sugar each week—or 3,550 pounds in an entire lifetime. This is equivalent to about 1,767,900 Skittles, which is enough sugar to fill an industrialized dumpster.
That is an very interesting fact. Thx.
I used to say, sugar (i.e., processed food) caused chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation causes chronic diseases, which includes most cancers. Now I just say, "Sugar feeds cancer." A bit simplistic, I know.
Also, I think Alzheimer's and Dementia will eventually be attributed to excessive intake of sugar and be labelled Diabetes 3.
Best Regards.
To be Woz, Rogan needs to talk faster and and and nerdier.
The real Woz knows that. He was close to Jobs, and Jobs regarded him highly. Frequently, movies have to combine characters and people to make the dramatic threads in the screenplay manageable for a 1.5-to-2-hour movie. I wouldn't be surprised if Sorkin gave that line of dialog to Woz not because it is remotely accurate for Woz, but he needed a character to challenge Jobs at that point in the story.
No, if you want one-dimensional rehash informed solely by the people who hated Jobs and Apple critics, check out Alex Gibney's biographical documentary of Jobs. It's a complete hatchet job. It should be coming to Netflix in the next year or so. It's not even remotely fair.
I hope however it goes onto to the older more relaxed jobs.
cheeseburgers are good for you as long as you don't eat the bread.
...or the cheese, sugary ketchup or the "fried" meat for that matter.
So, I actually watched the trailer and felt sick in the pit of my stomach. It looks even worse than I imagined. Embarrassingly bad.
Unless jobs is portrayed as a monk it won't be acceptable to everybody.
Based on the trailer, Jobs as Magneto would've been a better artistic choice.