I enjoy reading the vigorous declarations of giving Samsung the benefit of a doubt from the same people who regularly post doubt about Apple's success. You know who you are, and why you're here.
I used to have a Galaxy S4 and I currently have a Galaxy S5 but because the Galaxy S6 doesn't have a removable battery or sd card, I will NEVER EVER own a Galaxy S6.
This is what these giant technology companies do: Hype a bunch of worthless gimmicks while taking away features that are actually useful. Why would anybody prefer a phone that doesn't let you remove the battery? Why would anybody prefer a phone that doesn't let you add memory capacity?
Reuters, Times of India, BGR,re/code, Financial Express, Huffington Post etc etc, etc all said "Samsung expects Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 Edge record shipments". Funny thing, they all said the exact same thing on the exact same day. Where are their retractions/corrections? Where is their "reporting".
Sheesh......
This means its a wire news from Reuters reprinted by others. Reuters is probably just passing along a Samsung declaration from its PR department.
I guess people just hear what they want to hear. So where is the evidence that the price reduction has nothing to do with the historical competitive market pricing, all to do with their recent below-expected earning? It seems fairly clear that the $100 price cut fits inline with their historical pricing strategy -- 20% to 25% after 4 months -- but hey whatever makes you happy. *yawn*
PEople knowing that have no incentive to buy in those first 4 months. If it was just delayed purchases, Samsung would be kind of OK I guess (though early buyers lose 100 Euro on resales), but seemingly they're not buying even at those reduced price. Thus they lose both in margin and in volume, bad news!
The 6+ they are releasing is NOT copying Apple's mid-cycle naming convention. It is copying the larger screened iPhone6 Plus, which was announced & released for sale at the exact same time as the iPhone6. Apple's mid-cycle naming convention uses an S to indicate it is a "mid-cycle" release (ex: iPhone3GS, 4S, 5S, etc). Expect Apple's mid-cycle naming convention to announce the iPhone6S & 6S Plus later on this year. A release that will happen almost exactly one year from announcement of the iPhone6 & 6 Plus.
Furthermore.. the iPhone7 (total redesign) isnt expected until fall of next year, which will be a full two full years after the iPhone 6 was introduced. These new Samsung phones are being released just 4 months after the Galaxy S6 & S6 Edge were released.
No sir I'm not at all confused. For Samsung this is considered a mid-cycle model update. The next from Apple will be too.That's why neither is using "7" IMO.
Apple doesn't generally drop prices of iphones until the Next generation iPhone launches.
I've been under the impression Apple has to approve all iPhone "sale prices". Best Buy very recently put them on sale, Virgin Mobile suddenly took on some stock and put them "on sale". WalMart started putting them "on sale" a few weeks back. Why do you think that is?
Samsung is getting their butt kicked! Their profits are down. They's getting beat by Apple on the high end and cheap China phones on the low end. You can sell a zillion phones, but if you're just breaking even, what's the point? You'<span style="line-height:1.4em;">re spinning your wheels.</span>
Yup. Aleady alluded to the same things several posts ago.
I guess people just hear what they want to hear. So where is the evidence that the price reduction has nothing to do with the historical competitive market pricing, all to do with their recent below-expected earning? It seems fairly clear that the $100 price cut fits inline with their historical pricing strategy -- 20% to 25% after 4 months -- but hey whatever makes you happy. *yawn*
They're releasing the 6+, basically copying Apple's mid-cycle naming convention. Apple isn't releasing the iPhone 7 either AFAIK but the one coming in just weeks is still "new and improved".
... and I already noted they were "getting their ass kicked" just as everyone here already knew. I guess making believe I hadn't works for your purposes tho.
They're releasing an S6 Edge +, not a S6 +. However, even the S6 Edge + isn't just an updated S6 Edge; its one with a large screen, pushing it beyond the Note. This strategy of theirs is really crazy (to me). They'll have an S6 (5.1"), S6 Edge (5.1"), S6 Edge + (5.7") & Note 5 (5.67").
Essentially, they shouldn't have called it an S6 Edge +, they should have called it a Note 5 Edge +. Or maybe I'm just confused... someone tell (correct) me on what I'm missing.
IMO, they're imploding (on marketing), but again, I wont state anything as a fact. We'll see what happens over time. They're loosing control of their strategy to standardize their flagship across the world; another example, ATT with the S6 Active. Comments aside on the "Active" being marketed to consumers who may not need it (market it to businesses, etc), why is it limited to one carrier only. (Disclaimer, I am an ATT subscriber)
I guess people just hear what they want to hear. So where is the evidence that the price reduction has nothing to do with the historical competitive market pricing, all to do with their recent below-expected earning? It seems fairly clear that the $100 price cut fits inline with their historical pricing strategy -- 20% to 25% after 4 months -- but hey whatever makes you happy. *yawn*
They're releasing an S6 Edge +, not a S6 +. However, even the S6 Edge + isn't just an updated S6 Edge; its one with a large screen, pushing it beyond the Note. This strategy of theirs is really crazy (to me). They'll have an S6 (5.1"), S6 Edge (5.1"), S6 Edge + (5.7") & Note 5 (5.67").
Essentially, they shouldn't have called it an S6 Edge +, they should have called it a Note 5 Edge +. Or maybe I'm just confused... someone tell (correct) me on what I'm missing.
IMO, they're imploding (on marketing), but again, I wont state anything as a fact. We'll see what happens over time. They're loosing control of their strategy to standardize their flagship across the world; another example, ATT with the S6 Active. Comments aside on the "Active" being marketed to consumers who may not need it (market it to businesses, etc), why is it limited to one carrier only. (Disclaimer, I am an ATT subscriber)
If Since Samsung want to be like Apple, they should be consolidating the high end lines, but they aren't. It looks like the same approach at the mid/low end - spray slightly-differentiated products everywhere. It's crazy how many mid/low end Android phones have "Galaxy" in their name.
If Since Samsung want to be like Apple, they should be consolidating the high end lines, but they aren't. It looks like the same approach at the mid/low end - spray slightly-differentiated products everywhere. It's crazy how many mid/low end Android phones have "Galaxy" in their name.
Well of course we know that the sales were disappointing. That doesn't change the fact that new models launch in less than a month and existing stock needs to be cleared. Most companies run "sales" on existing models with significant inventory when new ones are imminent. If they were selling great there would almost certainly still be some price cuts on that soon-to-be-old stock. You know that, you're a smart guy.
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Well of course we know that the sales were disappointing. That doesn't change the fact that new models launch in less than a month and existing stock needs to be cleared. Most companies run "sales" on existing models with significant inventory when new ones are imminent. If they were selling great there would almost certainly still be some price cuts on that soon-to-be-old stock. You know that, you're a smart guy.
The S6Edge+ and Note5 are not "new models" replacing the S6 and S6Edge. They are additional models. You typically run sales when replacing older models, not your current models getting new siblings.
Samsung has to be really smarting, having been in this position before, having to deeply discount and offer 2-for-1 deals in essentially pleading with the public to buy their phones. The public would rather buy "the real thing" iPhone rather than Samsung's perpetual imitations. Further, with Apple, the public realizes that they get a whole ecosystem, and not just a phone.
This is just the beginning of the inventory clearances. I am sure both S6 and S6 edge are colossal flops. Q2 results were boosted by channel stuffing of S6 and now they need to clear it.
I've been under the impression Apple has to approve all iPhone "sale prices". Best Buy very recently put them on sale, Virgin Mobile suddenly took on some stock and put them "on sale". WalMart started putting them "on sale" a few weeks back. Why do you think that is?
I don't think Apple is allowed to approve sale prices at third parties. However the discount Apple gives to them is probably way smaller than what other venders give. Any sale price would probably come from the third party retailer's pockets.
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I used to have a Galaxy S4 and I currently have a Galaxy S5 but because the Galaxy S6 doesn't have a removable battery or sd card, I will NEVER EVER own a Galaxy S6.
This is what these giant technology companies do: Hype a bunch of worthless gimmicks while taking away features that are actually useful. Why would anybody prefer a phone that doesn't let you remove the battery? Why would anybody prefer a phone that doesn't let you add memory capacity?
If there were a shortfall of the S6 Edge they wouldn't be dropping the price.
That can't be seen as a great marketing theme.
Wanna bet that Samsung gets hammered when Apple releases the 6S?
Reuters, Times of India, BGR,re/code, Financial Express, Huffington Post etc etc, etc all said "Samsung expects Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 Edge record shipments". Funny thing, they all said the exact same thing on the exact same day. Where are their retractions/corrections? Where is their "reporting".
Sheesh......
This means its a wire news from Reuters reprinted by others. Reuters is probably just passing along a Samsung declaration from its PR department.
I guess people just hear what they want to hear. So where is the evidence that the price reduction has nothing to do with the historical competitive market pricing, all to do with their recent below-expected earning? It seems fairly clear that the $100 price cut fits inline with their historical pricing strategy -- 20% to 25% after 4 months -- but hey whatever makes you happy. *yawn*
PEople knowing that have no incentive to buy in those first 4 months. If it was just delayed purchases, Samsung would be kind of OK I guess (though early buyers lose 100 Euro on resales), but seemingly they're not buying even at those reduced price. Thus they lose both in margin and in volume, bad news!
I've been under the impression Apple has to approve all iPhone "sale prices". Best Buy very recently put them on sale, Virgin Mobile suddenly took on some stock and put them "on sale". WalMart started putting them "on sale" a few weeks back. Why do you think that is?
Yup, typical of the mid-cycle for both isn't it?
Yup. Aleady alluded to the same things several posts ago.
I guess people just hear what they want to hear. So where is the evidence that the price reduction has nothing to do with the historical competitive market pricing, all to do with their recent below-expected earning? It seems fairly clear that the $100 price cut fits inline with their historical pricing strategy -- 20% to 25% after 4 months -- but hey whatever makes you happy. *yawn*
Thanks for sourcing/citing a source @tooltalk .
They're releasing the 6+, basically copying Apple's mid-cycle naming convention. Apple isn't releasing the iPhone 7 either AFAIK but the one coming in just weeks is still "new and improved".
... and I already noted they were "getting their ass kicked" just as everyone here already knew. I guess making believe I hadn't works for your purposes tho.
They're releasing an S6 Edge +, not a S6 +. However, even the S6 Edge + isn't just an updated S6 Edge; its one with a large screen, pushing it beyond the Note. This strategy of theirs is really crazy (to me). They'll have an S6 (5.1"), S6 Edge (5.1"), S6 Edge + (5.7") & Note 5 (5.67").
Essentially, they shouldn't have called it an S6 Edge +, they should have called it a Note 5 Edge +. Or maybe I'm just confused... someone tell (correct) me on what I'm missing.
IMO, they're imploding (on marketing), but again, I wont state anything as a fact. We'll see what happens over time. They're loosing control of their strategy to standardize their flagship across the world; another example, ATT with the S6 Active. Comments aside on the "Active" being marketed to consumers who may not need it (market it to businesses, etc), why is it limited to one carrier only. (Disclaimer, I am an ATT subscriber)
hmmmm
Explained well sir. One picture instead of a thousand words. Much more evidentiary than my posts. Thanks.
A trend line should be thrown in it, to better indicate trajectory, with the S6 added into the mix as well. I'm sure idealo will update.
They're releasing an S6 Edge +, not a S6 +. However, even the S6 Edge + isn't just an updated S6 Edge; its one with a large screen, pushing it beyond the Note. This strategy of theirs is really crazy (to me). They'll have an S6 (5.1"), S6 Edge (5.1"), S6 Edge + (5.7") & Note 5 (5.67").
Essentially, they shouldn't have called it an S6 Edge +, they should have called it a Note 5 Edge +. Or maybe I'm just confused... someone tell (correct) me on what I'm missing.
IMO, they're imploding (on marketing), but again, I wont state anything as a fact. We'll see what happens over time. They're loosing control of their strategy to standardize their flagship across the world; another example, ATT with the S6 Active. Comments aside on the "Active" being marketed to consumers who may not need it (market it to businesses, etc), why is it limited to one carrier only. (Disclaimer, I am an ATT subscriber)
If Since Samsung want to be like Apple, they should be consolidating the high end lines, but they aren't. It looks like the same approach at the mid/low end - spray slightly-differentiated products everywhere. It's crazy how many mid/low end Android phones have "Galaxy" in their name.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/Samsung
I never knew there was a "Galaxy Tab 3 Kids" phone.
If Since Samsung want to be like Apple, they should be consolidating the high end lines, but they aren't. It looks like the same approach at the mid/low end - spray slightly-differentiated products everywhere. It's crazy how many mid/low end Android phones have "Galaxy" in their name.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/Samsung
I never knew there was a "Galaxy Tab 3 Kids" phone.
The thing is, they had consolidated the high end starting, IIRC, around the Galaxy S2 and forward. They seem to be letting that slip again.
On the mid/low end, they've always had something [different] for everyone (almost literally; well not really).
Exactly. How is this any different from how Apple re-prices last year's models?
Well of course we know that the sales were disappointing. That doesn't change the fact that new models launch in less than a month and existing stock needs to be cleared. Most companies run "sales" on existing models with significant inventory when new ones are imminent. If they were selling great there would almost certainly still be some price cuts on that soon-to-be-old stock. You know that, you're a smart guy.
Well of course we know that the sales were disappointing. That doesn't change the fact that new models launch in less than a month and existing stock needs to be cleared. Most companies run "sales" on existing models with significant inventory when new ones are imminent. If they were selling great there would almost certainly still be some price cuts on that soon-to-be-old stock. You know that, you're a smart guy.
The S6Edge+ and Note5 are not "new models" replacing the S6 and S6Edge. They are additional models. You typically run sales when replacing older models, not your current models getting new siblings.
Q2 results were boosted by channel stuffing of S6 and now they need to clear it.
I don't think Apple is allowed to approve sale prices at third parties. However the discount Apple gives to them is probably way smaller than what other venders give. Any sale price would probably come from the third party retailer's pockets.