If you have a good product you don't need to depend on ads.
It is the web sites without "product" that need the income from ads. This very site is a good example and frankly a good example of not going overboard with ads.
I will be using ad blocking the moment it is ready but I won't be blocking sites that I frequent if the ads remain reasonable. In the end places like Appleinsider need income to stay on the air so to speak.
I installed Adblock on my all my Idevices and just on my phone in one month it blocked 1000's of ads and saved about 500MB of data from being transfer to my phone and I am not the largest user of data and apps in my family. These ads cost you more than time and display real estate, it cuts in to your data plans.
On my home computers I have been blocking ads for a long time, I even got Google analytics completely blocked at my firewall. Most all of google's ad websites and IP address are treated as a virus in my house. You would be surprised at the information flowing back and forth from your computers to google based IP addresses.
Recently I been running into website which know your blocking ads and google data mining services and they will not display information on their website unless you allow the ads. Websites are fighting back on the blocking.
For those who are old enough to remember ads today have gotten so bad it like the old banner ad days with the ads flashing on your browers screen and would not go away until you clicked on it. it the pop-up window with no close button so you could not make the window go away. Believe it or not Google change this all by making things simpler and none intrusive. But they are not the problem which they help fixed.
I did blocking ads on sites were they need the money to give you their service is pointless, they'll find a way to not give you the service eventually. I think having a standard way of displaying ads and national rules on how they collect data (especially those that are cross referenced across sites) and what they do with it, would stop the war. If this was clear, I'd be ready to give up some of my info to ad makers so web sites could survive if they weren'T so greedy in wanting so much data.
I did blocking ads on sites were they need the money to give you their service is pointless, they'll find a way to not give you the service eventually. I think having a standard way of displaying ads and national rules on how they collect data (especially those that are cross referenced across sites) and what they do with it, would stop the war. If this was clear, I'd be ready to give up some of my info to ad makers so web sites could survive if they weren'T so greedy in wanting so much data.
The standard ad providers aren't the ones to be overly concerned with anyway IMO. It's the data aggregators and other companies with persistent trackers following you from website to website. Rather than serve up relatively benign personalized ads their business is selling data to other companies for whatever use they wish. Worse you don't even see the evidence of them at work unlike an advertiser, and zero control over what they do with what they have.
As an example right now these companies are watching what you do here at AI. They're not here to serve up ads, which don't scare me and shouldn't scare you either IMO. (but they can be irritating! I block 'em in most cases.)
The beacons this list of companies are connecting with you have no purpose but to track what you do, where you go, and what you look at.
Aggregate Knowledge / Beacons
Audience Science / Beacons
BidTheatre / Beacons
BlueKai / Beacons
Dotomi / Beacons
eXelate / Beacons
i-Behavior / Beacons
Korrelate / Beacons
Krux Digital / Beacons
LiveRamp / Beacons, E-mail Analytics, Segment Data
myThings / Beacons
Neustar AdAdvisor / Beacons, Lead Management
OwnerIQ / Beacons, Behavior Tracking, Lead Management
That's not my problem. No one (advertisers) should have the right to invade my space or track me without my explicit permission.
Well, then you don't get the service or pay for it outright, just like in the old days. BTW, using a web site's service is kinda explicit permission; no one forces you to do it.
It is not the ads themselves that are the issue, but the data collection that goes with it. If you go to a tech web site and they market you a mac and everyone sees the same add, that's OK and most people don't really mind those kind of ads, but if you go to that web site and they market you anti-depressants because somehow they got you browsing such a subject on Google... Well, that's not ok at all.
Ads have evolved from being "annoying" to downright in-your-face. I hate it to the nTH degree. I lost track of the number of websites I attempted to visit, only to shut the window down because the ads were so over-the-top cluttering everything.
The current model is broken. Kudos to Apple for giving the finger to advertisers. They should know better. Now, an opportunity exists to create a whole new model that is less invasive and irritating.
What will happen of course is when Apple once-again sets the course, the rest of the community will receive the benefits as well with little or no thanks to Apple for paving the way.
Ads are not the problem. Websites like this one that feature 10 ads on one page like a glorified billboard are. People make a living on creating ads that her featured on websites. So you're saying it is perfectly ok for people to start losing their jobs and not be able to support their families
Years ago, I discovered ad blockers while researching what was taking forever to load as I browsed the web. I had to work around the failure of publishers to ensure their web pages worked well. I no longer suffer at my computer, but my mobile browsing is still bogged down by slow loads and even browser crashes. Reader view in iOS Safari offers some relief but not enough. I bet Apple is opening ad blocking to iOS because they are aware of the problem and give a damn about their customers' user experience. I don't miss the conga lines of chipmunks when looking at web pages on my iMac and I won't miss the laggy rolling ads that obscure 1/4 of the screen on my iPod.
Sure they are. It a nut shell that has what has inspired this reaction to them.
Websites like this one that feature 10 ads on one page like a glorified billboard are.
It isn't so much the number but rather the damage they do to your system and the bandwidth they use.
People make a living on creating ads that her featured on websites. So you're saying it is perfectly ok for people to start losing their jobs and not be able to support their families
Yes exactly! Some jobs simply aren't socially acceptable. Earlier I likened the ad industry to the prostitution industry and frankly the ad industry does more damage to society than the prostitution industry.
Find another type of job! All this 'free' poip-up crap did not exist years agi, it was the evil Google that really prompted this bombardment of unwanted ads.
Well, to be fair, I once created a free Anglefire page years before Google came to being and that really had unwanted ads everywhere. There were banner ads on top, the bottom and the side, with pop-up ads on every hyperlink click to boot.
The scary thing that Google did was actively track your web usage and change those unwanted ads to ads of things you just bought on Amazon or a site you just browsed.
Ads have evolved from being "annoying" to downright in-your-face. I hate it to the nTH degree. I lost track of the number of websites I attempted to visit, only to shut the window down because the ads were so over-the-top cluttering everything.
The current model is broken. Kudos to Apple for giving the finger to advertisers. They should know better. Now, an opportunity exists to create a whole new model that is less invasive and irritating.
What will happen of course is when Apple once-again sets the course, the rest of the community will receive the benefits as well with little or no thanks to Apple for paving the way.
Ad Block Plus and Ghostery extensions have been available on Android for a good few years.
Apple is finally catching up with the competition. It's both welcome and about time. The final build of iOS 9 can't get here soon enough so we can finally have ad blocking like they do on Android.
I like Apple a lot, but lets be honest with ourselves. They are not "paving" anything. As far as ad blocking goes, they are cruising down the already paved road that has been well traveled for a long time by Android.
The advertising industry has killed the golden goose. By forcing full screen interstitials, videos, redirections to app stores and other disruptive forms of advertising and tracking they have driven even the casual user to ad-blockers. They had something good, they ruined it.
The one thing I wonder about: I appears as though most of the posters here in the least just ignore ads, if they are not blocking them. However, there must a be a relevant group of people out there that intentionally click on ads, otherwise the whole business would have fallen apart long time ago. Therefore, I ask myself how big the impact of allowing ad-blocking on system level actually will be. Many of the posters here I suppose will be happily use it, but what about the few billions out there?
Regarding the support of "free" content providers through ads, here is my take: In all honesty I have a hard time to come up with a long list of sites where I would be glad to pay for because the quality of the content makes me feel it is worth it. Most of it is "interesting", but my life would surely go on without the feeling of loss without them. There is a "race to the bottom" in web content as well. Just try to google the origin of some news (not specifically Apple or IT related). Often, I have a hard time to find the author, just because once published on the web it is shamelessly copied without giving the source. Next, the quality of the information in terms of "truth" and "completeness" is increasingly replaced by "quantity", click-baits and opinions. A comedian once said "You CAN have an opinion. You don't HAVE TO". What I mean is that there is very little gold in an increasing sea of worthless, no-value-adding stuff on the web. I often have the feeling that you can find "proof" for anything on the web, just you have to search long enough. Oh, and search increasingly is already advertising and manipulation you by "pre-filtering" what might be "interesting" for you. Same with social networks. Suggestions, articles and stuff are not random. They are selected based on what you leave as traces on the web to best match and confirm your views, interests etc.
I wonder if I am part of a dying race if I hear about Bush and Clinton "fighting" each other through Twitter and think "What a Kindergarten"?
It seems yes, because paywalls for good.quality content did not fly as hoped, obviously. Either because people do not value the work, or because the quality is simply not there. Instead, people enjoy "entertainment" in forms of sensationalist "news", exposure of embarrassing "facts of interest" and uncritical blabla. Like TV, in the end.
Actually, I do not know how much I would pay for AI. Probably more, if I would be spared some controversies about a certain European Island and its system ;-)
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It is the web sites without "product" that need the income from ads. This very site is a good example and frankly a good example of not going overboard with ads.
I will be using ad blocking the moment it is ready but I won't be blocking sites that I frequent if the ads remain reasonable. In the end places like Appleinsider need income to stay on the air so to speak.
That's exactly why, iAds will become more profitable!
I know some ads can be annoying but how are people supposed to support themselves now??
Everyone wants everything for free now. But don't DARE ask them for a teaspoon of sugar.
It's not the cost, it's the impact.
I'd gladly display ads, as long as a 20Kbytes article doesn't grow to 7MB when all the ads are downloaded.
An inline text 10K ad with a link would work just fine... that 2MB Flash ad... blocked.
I installed Adblock on my all my Idevices and just on my phone in one month it blocked 1000's of ads and saved about 500MB of data from being transfer to my phone and I am not the largest user of data and apps in my family. These ads cost you more than time and display real estate, it cuts in to your data plans.
On my home computers I have been blocking ads for a long time, I even got Google analytics completely blocked at my firewall. Most all of google's ad websites and IP address are treated as a virus in my house. You would be surprised at the information flowing back and forth from your computers to google based IP addresses.
Recently I been running into website which know your blocking ads and google data mining services and they will not display information on their website unless you allow the ads. Websites are fighting back on the blocking.
For those who are old enough to remember ads today have gotten so bad it like the old banner ad days with the ads flashing on your browers screen and would not go away until you clicked on it. it the pop-up window with no close button so you could not make the window go away. Believe it or not Google change this all by making things simpler and none intrusive. But they are not the problem which they help fixed.
I did blocking ads on sites were they need the money to give you their service is pointless, they'll find a way to not give you the service eventually. I think having a standard way of displaying ads and national rules on how they collect data (especially those that are cross referenced across sites) and what they do with it, would stop the war. If this was clear, I'd be ready to give up some of my info to ad makers so web sites could survive if they weren'T so greedy in wanting so much data.
As an example right now these companies are watching what you do here at AI. They're not here to serve up ads, which don't scare me and shouldn't scare you either IMO. (but they can be irritating! I block 'em in most cases.)
The beacons this list of companies are connecting with you have no purpose but to track what you do, where you go, and what you look at.
Aggregate Knowledge / Beacons
Audience Science / Beacons
BidTheatre / Beacons
BlueKai / Beacons
Dotomi / Beacons
eXelate / Beacons
i-Behavior / Beacons
Korrelate / Beacons
Krux Digital / Beacons
LiveRamp / Beacons, E-mail Analytics, Segment Data
myThings / Beacons
Neustar AdAdvisor / Beacons, Lead Management
OwnerIQ / Beacons, Behavior Tracking, Lead Management
RadiumOne / Beacons, Behavior Tracking
Rocket Fuel / Beacons
Veruta / Beacons
Videology / Beacons, Video Player
Yieldr / Beacons, Analytics, Behavior Tracking
I know some ads can be annoying but how are people supposed to support themselves now??
Everyone wants everything for free now. But don't DARE ask them for a teaspoon of sugar.
That's not my problem. No one (advertisers) should have the right to invade my space or track me without my explicit permission.
That's not my problem. No one (advertisers) should have the right to invade my space or track me without my explicit permission.
Well, then you don't get the service or pay for it outright, just like in the old days. BTW, using a web site's service is kinda explicit permission; no one forces you to do it.
It is not the ads themselves that are the issue, but the data collection that goes with it. If you go to a tech web site and they market you a mac and everyone sees the same add, that's OK and most people don't really mind those kind of ads, but if you go to that web site and they market you anti-depressants because somehow they got you browsing such a subject on Google... Well, that's not ok at all.
Ads are not the problem. Websites like this one that feature 10 ads on one page like a glorified billboard are. People make a living on creating ads that her featured on websites. So you're saying it is perfectly ok for people to start losing their jobs and not be able to support their families
Then web developers stop developing for Safari because they don't make any money when someone uses it.
I've been using UBlock. It has been good so far but I've only have used it for only six months so far.
You do realize that ads are the only thing keeping most websites free, right?
Take away ads and the majority of websites would be forced to either charge for access or close down.
Then geniuses like you will moan and whine about how these sites are daring to ask for money.
Yes exactly! Some jobs simply aren't socially acceptable. Earlier I likened the ad industry to the prostitution industry and frankly the ad industry does more damage to society than the prostitution industry.
Some will, but that isn't my problem.
Find another type of job! All this 'free' poip-up crap did not exist years agi, it was the evil Google that really prompted this bombardment of unwanted ads.
Well, to be fair, I once created a free Anglefire page years before Google came to being and that really had unwanted ads everywhere. There were banner ads on top, the bottom and the side, with pop-up ads on every hyperlink click to boot.
The scary thing that Google did was actively track your web usage and change those unwanted ads to ads of things you just bought on Amazon or a site you just browsed.
Originally Posted by sflocal
Ads have evolved from being "annoying" to downright in-your-face. I hate it to the nTH degree. I lost track of the number of websites I attempted to visit, only to shut the window down because the ads were so over-the-top cluttering everything.
The current model is broken. Kudos to Apple for giving the finger to advertisers. They should know better. Now, an opportunity exists to create a whole new model that is less invasive and irritating.
What will happen of course is when Apple once-again sets the course, the rest of the community will receive the benefits as well with little or no thanks to Apple for paving the way.
Ad Block Plus and Ghostery extensions have been available on Android for a good few years.
Apple is finally catching up with the competition. It's both welcome and about time. The final build of iOS 9 can't get here soon enough so we can finally have ad blocking like they do on Android.
I like Apple a lot, but lets be honest with ourselves. They are not "paving" anything. As far as ad blocking goes, they are cruising down the already paved road that has been well traveled for a long time by Android.
The one thing I wonder about: I appears as though most of the posters here in the least just ignore ads, if they are not blocking them. However, there must a be a relevant group of people out there that intentionally click on ads, otherwise the whole business would have fallen apart long time ago. Therefore, I ask myself how big the impact of allowing ad-blocking on system level actually will be. Many of the posters here I suppose will be happily use it, but what about the few billions out there?
Regarding the support of "free" content providers through ads, here is my take: In all honesty I have a hard time to come up with a long list of sites where I would be glad to pay for because the quality of the content makes me feel it is worth it. Most of it is "interesting", but my life would surely go on without the feeling of loss without them. There is a "race to the bottom" in web content as well. Just try to google the origin of some news (not specifically Apple or IT related). Often, I have a hard time to find the author, just because once published on the web it is shamelessly copied without giving the source. Next, the quality of the information in terms of "truth" and "completeness" is increasingly replaced by "quantity", click-baits and opinions. A comedian once said "You CAN have an opinion. You don't HAVE TO". What I mean is that there is very little gold in an increasing sea of worthless, no-value-adding stuff on the web. I often have the feeling that you can find "proof" for anything on the web, just you have to search long enough. Oh, and search increasingly is already advertising and manipulation you by "pre-filtering" what might be "interesting" for you. Same with social networks. Suggestions, articles and stuff are not random. They are selected based on what you leave as traces on the web to best match and confirm your views, interests etc.
I wonder if I am part of a dying race if I hear about Bush and Clinton "fighting" each other through Twitter and think "What a Kindergarten"?
It seems yes, because paywalls for good.quality content did not fly as hoped, obviously. Either because people do not value the work, or because the quality is simply not there. Instead, people enjoy "entertainment" in forms of sensationalist "news", exposure of embarrassing "facts of interest" and uncritical blabla. Like TV, in the end.
Actually, I do not know how much I would pay for AI. Probably more, if I would be spared some controversies about a certain European Island and its system ;-)