How is this different than how they said they would not record info from Nest after the purchase just to later change the documentation to allow Google to capture data about your Nest devices? IOW, why can't they change their mind at any time? They've already been in trouble about capturing passwords from WiFI networks in the past.
Of course any company can change TOS whenever they wish. Companies we love do it all the time.
As for Nest there's no data being shared with Google unless you've requested it AFAIK. Are you saying they're doing it without opt-in user permission/request?
On the wi-fi debacle they were apparently logging whatever happened to be in the stream in the few seconds they were searching open wi-fi channels during streetview travels weren't they? I've no idea if it was intentional or not, tho I question Google's claims they didn't know it happened until someone told them. maybe they mean Sergey didn't know. In any event I don't know what value could be gained from a few seconds of data, at least from mosts folks. With that out of the way I have wondered why anyone would have tested it out in the first place. That's a squirrely one and not one of their shining moments.
If you had made that claim about ATT I would have agreed with you. They do have a special relationship with government snoopers. That doesn't stop millions of iPhone owners from using ATT's network.
No it does not. There's a page with an FAQ that answers that particular question among othe
Here is the scary part of this, the fact that Google had to answer the question in the first place is an issue. I am willing to bet that the device is somehow communicating back to Google. Google does not make stuff unless they can make money off datamining, it may not tell google which websites you are visiting bit it may be tell them other things about your usage.
Correct tho that it's for users primarily using wireless, not wired devices. I think that's probably most folks here. One wired source is all I'd need, everything else used at home is wireless.
<anecdote> I have two desktops, 2 xbox's (yeah I know, make fun if you will) and a laptop that I will use ethernet if I am going to be working for any length of time. That eats up all 5 of the ports available on my router. </anecdote>
That being said you are probably right. Most devices and most people use wireless anymore.
Also you can expect tons of anti-Google sentiment on the forums for an Apple fan site. I switched to 8.8.8.8 for my DNS and it is lightyears better than my ISP's DNS.
People like to say things like "Google only cares about your data" and I like to say "yes, yes indeed they do". In the decade or so I have been using Googles services they have never ever, not one time lost or deleted any of my data. I wish I could say the same for other companies including Apple who has managed to bork my contacts and other data on more than one occasion. And Dropbox, looking at you Dropbox -_-
How this is better than other 802.11ac good routers from linksys, netgear, etc ? And $200 price for a router with single LAN port and missing few protocol standards. I wouldn't buy. Idea is good to turn wireless router into appliance control HUB but isn't Apple is working on unified living room HUB ?
Is your Gmail an enterprise account? I would think so, in which case no they are not "reading your work email", and not using anything in them for targeted ads.
BS, they do read your work email, how do I know, simple when my stupid company thought it was good idea to switch to gmail to save money I had the pleasure of having gmail for almost 2 yrs and I can tell you they read work emails.
There are companies I did business with that I only communicated to them via work email and never once visted their websites or did searched on their business in google since I had no need to do so. Years before this Google made the connection between my personal home computer and my work computer and knew I was the same person. Even though I never used my work gmail or google account at home on my home computer. But I did use my work labtop on my home network so now google knew my Home IP was now associated with my work computer and gmail account. As soon as this happen I started seeing ads on my home computer for companies interacted with at work. These are company who would never advertise to me since they only sell to companies not consumers. The only way Google knew I had some sort of relationship with these companies was to read my work emails. As soon as I stop using gmail at work the ads stop showing up on my home computer.
Do not beleive anything Google says, they claim one thing and their action prove otherwise.
One last point on this topic, everyone in the company except Execs, HR and Legal were moved to gmail, and when I asked our lead lawyer why they were exempt from gmail he just said due to Legal issues and left it that.
<anecdote> I have two desktops, 2 xbox's (yeah I know, make fun if you will) and a laptop that I will use ethernet if I am going to be working for any length of time. That eats up all 5 of the ports available on my router. </anecdote>
That being said you are probably right. Most devices and most people use wireless anymore.
Also you can expect tons of anti-Google sentiment on the forums for an Apple fan site. I switched to 8.8.8.8 for my DNS and it is lightyears better than my ISP's DNS.
People like to say things like "Google only cares about your data" and I like to say "yes, yes indeed they do". In the decade or so I have been using Googles services they have never ever, not one time lost or deleted any of my data. I wish I could say the same for other companies including Apple who has managed to bork my contacts and other data on more than one occasion. And Dropbox, looking at you Dropbox -_-
That's because goog is the most lying scumbag company in the world and people here know that. Has nothing to do with bias. From snooping through people's emails, stealing from Apple, hacking into safari, constantly lying to loyal customers, execs telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, covering up Stagefright, there's just a long history of scum here.
I am not biased toward any company in any way. I have actually been banned for critisizing Apple, which is also pathetic.
Google/Samsung seem to both love copying everything Apple does. Getting old.
Cylindrical (tower) routers have been around for several years now from many manufacturers. In fact, one of the more recent (i.e. later) ones is the Apple Airport. Difference is, Apple chose to make their tower square rather than round.
No it does not. There's a page with an FAQ that answers that particular question among othe
Here is the scary part of this, the fact that Google had to answer the question in the first place is an issue. I am willing to bet that the device is somehow communicating back to Google. Google does not make stuff unless they can make money off datamining, it may not tell google which websites you are visiting bit it may be tell them other things about your usage.
There is no reason to trust Google.
There is every reason not to trust any american company and least of all the american government agencies.
I wonder what the chances of an Airport Extreme refresh without having to wait for a new wireless standard are. That is still using Cortex A9 CPUs, has half the RAM of this, and 1/32rd (!!!) the NAND of this. Not just on a specs sheet, but in most wireless tests it falls quite behind on speed, even with things that aren't so high spec as this OnHub.
There is every reason not to trust any american company and least of all the american government agencies.
Yeah I tell people all the time Agencies are never to be trusted, they are allow to violate your rights since they are not police nor do they have the authority to arrest you but they can share with the authorities what they learned about you no laws about that.
But most US companies are on the up and up, most mean well but do cross the line from time to time, Google just does thing until they get caught and are told to stop doing it. The the old idea of do what you want and beg for forgiveness later.
I have two desktops, 2 xbox's (yeah I know, make fun if you will) and a laptop that I will use ethernet if I am going to be working for any length of time. That eats up all 5 of the ports available on my router.
That being said you are probably right. Most devices and most people use wireless anymore.
Also you can expect tons of anti-Google sentiment on the forums for an Apple fan site. I switched to 8.8.8.8 for my DNS and it is lightyears better than my ISP's DNS.
People like to say things like "Google only cares about your data" and I like to say "yes, yes indeed they do". In the decade or so I have been using Googles services they have never ever, not one time lost or deleted any of my data. I wish I could say the same for other companies including Apple who has managed to bork my contacts and other data on more than one occasion. And Dropbox, looking at you Dropbox -_-
That's because goog is the most lying scumbag company in the world and people here know that. Has nothing to do with bias. From snooping through people's emails, stealing from Apple, hacking into safari, constantly lying to loyal customers, execs telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, covering up Stagefright, there's just a long history of scum here.
I am not biased toward any company in any way. I have actually been banned for critisizing Apple, which is also pathetic.
I both agree and disagree, to a degree (hey that rhymes).
But your larger point of not being biased toward any company caught my eye. That is a great point. These are giant multi-national corporations and shame on us if we don't hold their feet to the fire as consumers of their products.
I am not trying to put words in your mouth but I agree that Google has a fair bit of work to do in order to regain the trust of many customers. Even though corporations are "people", I feel like its a lot easier to forgive and forget with an actual human being than a company.
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As for Nest there's no data being shared with Google unless you've requested it AFAIK. Are you saying they're doing it without opt-in user permission/request?
On the wi-fi debacle they were apparently logging whatever happened to be in the stream in the few seconds they were searching open wi-fi channels during streetview travels weren't they? I've no idea if it was intentional or not, tho I question Google's claims they didn't know it happened until someone told them. maybe they mean Sergey didn't know.
the benefits of integration seem too great.
android is already fragmented. this just increases the fragmentation and security issues.
Given it's Google, I wonder if the OnHub sends data back to Google of what websites you access :-)
Saved me the trouble of typing that.
No it does not. There's a page with an FAQ that answers that particular question among othe
Here is the scary part of this, the fact that Google had to answer the question in the first place is an issue. I am willing to bet that the device is somehow communicating back to Google. Google does not make stuff unless they can make money off datamining, it may not tell google which websites you are visiting bit it may be tell them other things about your usage.
There is no reason to trust Google.
From the spec sheet
1x LAN port yet it has a Gigabit switch in it
if the above is correct, then no DMZ and you'll need to add your own switch if you have multiple wired devices
For $200 I'd expect a few more LAN ports
https://store.tp-link.us/onhub.html
Correct tho that it's for users primarily using wireless, not wired devices. I think that's probably most folks here. One wired source is all I'd need, everything else used at home is wireless.
<anecdote> I have two desktops, 2 xbox's (yeah I know, make fun if you will) and a laptop that I will use ethernet if I am going to be working for any length of time. That eats up all 5 of the ports available on my router. </anecdote>
That being said you are probably right. Most devices and most people use wireless anymore.
Also you can expect tons of anti-Google sentiment on the forums for an Apple fan site. I switched to 8.8.8.8 for my DNS and it is lightyears better than my ISP's DNS.
People like to say things like "Google only cares about your data" and I like to say "yes, yes indeed they do". In the decade or so I have been using Googles services they have never ever, not one time lost or deleted any of my data. I wish I could say the same for other companies including Apple who has managed to bork my contacts and other data on more than one occasion. And Dropbox, looking at you Dropbox -_-
"Unusual cylindrical design", huh?! *rolls eyes*
Google/Samsung seem to both love copying everything Apple does. Getting old.
How this is better than other 802.11ac good routers from linksys, netgear, etc ? And $200 price for a router with single LAN port and missing few protocol standards. I wouldn't buy. Idea is good to turn wireless router into appliance control HUB but isn't Apple is working on unified living room HUB ?
What's this 'Alphabet' holding thing from Google?
Aren't we supposed to refer to 'Google' as 'Alphabet' now, since 'Google' is only one part of 'Alphabet'?
Is your Gmail an enterprise account? I would think so, in which case no they are not "reading your work email", and not using anything in them for targeted ads.
BS, they do read your work email, how do I know, simple when my stupid company thought it was good idea to switch to gmail to save money I had the pleasure of having gmail for almost 2 yrs and I can tell you they read work emails.
There are companies I did business with that I only communicated to them via work email and never once visted their websites or did searched on their business in google since I had no need to do so. Years before this Google made the connection between my personal home computer and my work computer and knew I was the same person. Even though I never used my work gmail or google account at home on my home computer. But I did use my work labtop on my home network so now google knew my Home IP was now associated with my work computer and gmail account. As soon as this happen I started seeing ads on my home computer for companies interacted with at work. These are company who would never advertise to me since they only sell to companies not consumers. The only way Google knew I had some sort of relationship with these companies was to read my work emails. As soon as I stop using gmail at work the ads stop showing up on my home computer.
Do not beleive anything Google says, they claim one thing and their action prove otherwise.
One last point on this topic, everyone in the company except Execs, HR and Legal were moved to gmail, and when I asked our lead lawyer why they were exempt from gmail he just said due to Legal issues and left it that.
Somehow related:
What's this 'Alphabet' holding thing from Google?
Aren't we supposed to refer to 'Google' as 'Alphabet' now, since 'Google' is only one part of 'Alphabet'?
Alphabet is to Google what Berkshire Hathaway is to Geico Insurance.
That's because goog is the most lying scumbag company in the world and people here know that. Has nothing to do with bias. From snooping through people's emails, stealing from Apple, hacking into safari, constantly lying to loyal customers, execs telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, covering up Stagefright, there's just a long history of scum here.
I am not biased toward any company in any way. I have actually been banned for critisizing Apple, which is also pathetic.
"Unusual cylindrical design", huh?! *rolls eyes*
Google/Samsung seem to both love copying everything Apple does. Getting old.
Cylindrical (tower) routers have been around for several years now from many manufacturers. In fact, one of the more recent (i.e. later) ones is the Apple Airport. Difference is, Apple chose to make their tower square rather than round.
I am really not a fan of google, But the tin-foil hat brigade here is just hilarious.
"Unusual cylindrical design", huh?! *rolls eyes*
Google/Samsung seem to both love copying everything Apple does. Getting old.
Released 2011, 2 years before the new Mac Pro. With your logic, Apple's copying.
http://www.slashgear.com/d-link-unveils-smartbeam-and-new-hd-media-router-27183311/
No it does not. There's a page with an FAQ that answers that particular question among othe
Here is the scary part of this, the fact that Google had to answer the question in the first place is an issue. I am willing to bet that the device is somehow communicating back to Google. Google does not make stuff unless they can make money off datamining, it may not tell google which websites you are visiting bit it may be tell them other things about your usage.
There is no reason to trust Google.
There is every reason not to trust any american company and least of all the american government agencies.
I wonder what the chances of an Airport Extreme refresh without having to wait for a new wireless standard are. That is still using Cortex A9 CPUs, has half the RAM of this, and 1/32rd (!!!) the NAND of this. Not just on a specs sheet, but in most wireless tests it falls quite behind on speed, even with things that aren't so high spec as this OnHub.
There is every reason not to trust any american company and least of all the american government agencies.
Yeah I tell people all the time Agencies are never to be trusted, they are allow to violate your rights since they are not police nor do they have the authority to arrest you but they can share with the authorities what they learned about you no laws about that.
But most US companies are on the up and up, most mean well but do cross the line from time to time, Google just does thing until they get caught and are told to stop doing it. The the old idea of do what you want and beg for forgiveness later.
I have two desktops, 2 xbox's (yeah I know, make fun if you will) and a laptop that I will use ethernet if I am going to be working for any length of time. That eats up all 5 of the ports available on my router.
That being said you are probably right. Most devices and most people use wireless anymore.
Also you can expect tons of anti-Google sentiment on the forums for an Apple fan site. I switched to 8.8.8.8 for my DNS and it is lightyears better than my ISP's DNS.
People like to say things like "Google only cares about your data" and I like to say "yes, yes indeed they do". In the decade or so I have been using Googles services they have never ever, not one time lost or deleted any of my data. I wish I could say the same for other companies including Apple who has managed to bork my contacts and other data on more than one occasion. And Dropbox, looking at you Dropbox -_-
That's because goog is the most lying scumbag company in the world and people here know that. Has nothing to do with bias. From snooping through people's emails, stealing from Apple, hacking into safari, constantly lying to loyal customers, execs telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, covering up Stagefright, there's just a long history of scum here.
I am not biased toward any company in any way. I have actually been banned for critisizing Apple, which is also pathetic.
I both agree and disagree, to a degree (hey that rhymes).
But your larger point of not being biased toward any company caught my eye. That is a great point. These are giant multi-national corporations and shame on us if we don't hold their feet to the fire as consumers of their products.
I am not trying to put words in your mouth but I agree that Google has a fair bit of work to do in order to regain the trust of many customers. Even though corporations are "people", I feel like its a lot easier to forgive and forget with an actual human being than a company.