I don't use a case and I can't say it's ever bothered me. If were surveyed with the question, "camera lens flush or not flush on the next iPhone," I guess would say that it would be better to make it flush. But does that make it the best option? What if that meant worse camera components? Since I'm not big into taking a lot of pictures I'd be fine with a worse camera but I don't necessarily want the camera to be worse. Do you? Does anyone? Since I don't use a case I can feel the 'nub' and I can honestly say it has helped me originate the device without having to look at it first. How much of a convenience is that? Would still be able to feel the lens easily enough if it were flush?
Bottom line: Is that a deal breaker for anyone? Is this worth complaining about?
except Ive has stated time and again they design a product to be great; not to imaginary profit specs. they assume if they make great products the profits will follow.
that's how Apple rolls. if you don't get that, you don't get Apple.
Timing is also important. Remember the Apple Newton? Brilliant idea that was too far ahead of its time.
Battery is still the Achilles' heel of the iPhone IMHO. I always have to change my iPhone 6 during the day to ensure that I can get a full day's use. This seems to have got worse recently and I'm not sure if it's to do with my Watch, changes in iOS 8.4 or something else like battery failure. I've logged a case with Apple as battery life was acceptable (not great but a reasonable 12 hours of my normal use) when I first got the phone.
Battery is still the Achilles' heel of the iPhone IMHO. I always have to change my iPhone 6 during the day to ensure that I can get a full day's use. This seems to have got worse recently and I'm not sure if it's to do with my Watch, changes in iOS 8.4 or something else like battery failure. I've logged a case with Apple as battery life was acceptable (not great but a reasonable 12 hours of my normal use) when I first got the phone.
1) Have you checked the healthy of your battery? If it's below 80% they'll replace it.
2) Did you have BT off or simply not using it before the Watch?
1) Have you checked the healthy of your battery? If it's below 80% they'll replace it.
2) Did you have BT off or simply not using it before the Watch?
The battery for the iPhone 6 Plus is exceptional which is why, even though I prefer the smaller form factor of the 4.7 inch model, having a battery that lasts almost two full days is enough reason for me to get the 6s Plus.
The battery for the iPhone 6 Plus is exceptional which is why, even though I prefer the smaller form factor of the 4.7 inch model, having a battery that lasts almost two full days is enough reason for me to get the 6s Plus.
I could probably go two day, as well, but since I charge at night I can't say it's an issue. Plus, I always have a battery backup close by just in case there is a need.
Market observations show that people will pay for thicker phones with more battery.
I know it is not an iPhone but we can use the moto droid as a case study. Motorola released a version of the phone that was twice as thick with nearly three times the battery life.
We can use this information based on sales to see of consumers when faced with the same phone choose battery over slimness. While I will admit I don't have access to the sales figures I do know the droid maxx had an relatively impressive run and people were willing to pay an extra 100$ for a thicker phone just for the battery life. If we assume this would be true with apple there would be a market for people who do not care about thinness and would put more priority on battery. Power users people, prone to emergency traveling, and etc.
In fact we see it on this very sight where some users purchased the 6+ over the 6 only for perceived battery gains. Battery life for some people no matter how apple improves it will never be enough hints the fact morphie makes juice packs.
Edit: found a little insight on sales. At one point the droid maxx was the top of the pack at Verizon beating its cheaper less battery thinner brother. People do put a heavy value on battery.
Market observations show that people will pay for thicker phones with more battery.
So you're saying that Apple is losing money by not selling an increasing thicker phone with a larger battery every year? OK, I'll bite. Let's say Apple did increase the battery by 50% this year which increases the thickness by 15% and the weight by 5%. The original iPhone was 4.8 ounces. Using the compound interest formula, that means on Wed we'd be seeing an iPhone that is 1.4 inches / 36 mm thick, and weighing over 7lb / 3.22 kg. But, hey, it will have a battery life that will last over a month without ever need to be on a charger. Yes, I'm sure your "people will pay for thicker phones with more battery" would be flying off the shelves¡
So you're saying that Apple is losing money by not selling an increasing thicker phone with a larger battery every year? OK, I'll bite. Let's say Apple did increase the battery by 50% this year which increases the thickness by 15% and the weight by 5%. The original iPhone was 4.8 ounces. Using the compound interest formula, that means on Wed we'd be seeing an iPhone that is 1.4 inches / 36 mm thick, and weighing over 7lb / 3.22 kg. But, hey, it will have a battery life that will last over a month without ever need to be on a charger. Yes, I'm sure your "people will pay for thicker phones with more battery" would be flying off the shelves¡
Nobody is saying that Apple is losing money. We are saying that if given a choice right now - between thinner and bigger battery - most people would say "give us a bigger battery!".
But to suggest that people would leave a phone and platform like iPhone/iOS because of a single feature - that is already very good - but could be better - is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. Is that really how you shop? You're not listening to what people are saying - you're changing the questions/comments of others and then you're arguing with people about things they didn't say.
In any case, my original point seems to be proven by all the comments on a more recent thread here on AI:
"Apple planning 2016 'iPhone 7' to be thinnest yet, in-line with new iPod touch & iPad Air 2"
Read the comments there and see how many people are saying they'd rather have a bigger battery over a thinner phone. (And by the way - none of them will leave the platform if they don't get it. Does that make their opinion wrong about what they as individuals would prefer?). I really hope that English is your second language - because then I might be able to excuse your misunderstanding - but if English is your native language, there is no excuse for the ignorance of your posts except for extremely low, possibly even a negative IQ score.
You're not listening to what people are saying - you're changing the questions/comments of others and then you're arguing with people about things they didn't say.
Oh, I read all the stupidity, hence my hyperbolic comment to point the stupidity of saying that a bigger battery is better than anything else, all the time, no matter what other parameters are in place. You never once stated a single metric about duration of use, against size of width, volume, or weight. Not a single fucking element! All you did was claim that if giving a ridiculous stupid survey without any other parameters given they would make an obvious choice. Duh-fuckig-doy.
Oh, I read all the stupidity, hence my hyperbolic comment to point the stupidity of saying that a bigger battery is better than anything else, all the time, no matter what other parameters are in place. You never once stated a single metric about duration of use, against size of width, volume, or weight. Not a single fucking element! All you did was claim that if giving a ridiculous stupid survey without any other parameters given they would make an obvious choice. Duh-fuckig-doy.
No one is saying a bigger battery is better all the time. We are simply pointing out that average people value 10% more battery more then they would 10% slimmer. I even posted an article that showed people knowingly went into Verizon stores paid an extra 100 dollars for a phone that would be thicker and half more battery life. I am simply proving that people care more about battery then they do slimness. As one does give a real world purpose instantly. While the other only becomes an "inconvenience" around 8-9mm. The Iphone 4 was not too thick and it was 9.3mm would it be a crime for some people to choose that width for more battery life.
I am 25 years old and sometimes when I get off from work I like to go with friends and go clubbing until 5am. I am sometimes awake for 24hrs. I would prefer when I am clubbing and may need to call a cab my phone has juice to make the call. As it is now I swap out to an older phone when I go out clubbing so it is always charged but some of my friends don't have that luxury and would prefer a phone with battery life to last a full day.
No one is saying a bigger battery is better all the time.
Now we're getting some different, and more reasonably stated answers.
We are simply pointing out that average people value 10% more battery more then they would 10% slimmer.
Look at that, actual values.
I even posted an article that showed people knowingly went into Verizon stores paid an extra 100 dollars for a phone that would be thicker and half more battery life.
Didn't see that article.
I am simply proving that people care more about battery then they do slimness.
You've barely stated an argument, and certainly not less proof.
As one does give a real world purpose instantly. While the other only becomes an "inconvenience" around 8-9mm. The Iphone 4 was not too thick and it was 9.3mm would it be a crime for some people to choose that width for more battery life.
1) More numbers, and an example. Now you're catching on, but will [@]tenly[/@]?
2) I never found the iPhone 4 "too thick" but I prefer the current iPhone 6 Plus thickness, the rounded casing and glass, and, of course, the longer battery life.
I am 25 years old and sometimes when I get off from work I like to go with friends and go clubbing until 5am. I am sometimes awake for 24hrs. I would prefer when I am clubbing and may need to call a cab my phone has juice to make the call. As it is now I swap out to an older phone when I go out clubbing so it is always charged but some of my friends don't have that luxury and would prefer a phone with battery life to last a full day. [/COLOR]
That just sounds dumb. Why change devices over using the same device all day? You plug in an external battery pack and get to about 80% in under 20 minutes, or simply use a Juice Pack on those day, or pop it on for those nights. You have so many other options than, presumably, swapping SIM cards into some older phone. The only benefit of the phone change might be because you're afraid your partying my lead to the loss of that phone you use for clubbing. Other than that, you're just making more work for yourself.
If you're buying a $700 new phone only one year after the last, you really shouldn't complain about paying for a new $50 case.
1) My guess is that it's unlikely that the new phone won't into the average iPhone 6-series case, unless it's something that was milled, like a metal case. Leather, plastic and rubber probably will be fine with the numbers I saw for the new increase in volume.
2) I agree that people shouldn't be complaining about it, but I think most people aren't paying $700 per year since the year-over-year iPhone buyers are more likely to sell them off thus reducing their TCO considerably.
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I don't use a case and I can't say it's ever bothered me. If were surveyed with the question, "camera lens flush or not flush on the next iPhone," I guess would say that it would be better to make it flush. But does that make it the best option? What if that meant worse camera components? Since I'm not big into taking a lot of pictures I'd be fine with a worse camera but I don't necessarily want the camera to be worse. Do you? Does anyone? Since I don't use a case I can feel the 'nub' and I can honestly say it has helped me originate the device without having to look at it first. How much of a convenience is that? Would still be able to feel the lens easily enough if it were flush?
Bottom line: Is that a deal breaker for anyone? Is this worth complaining about?
Well, as the Duchess of Windsor said, "you can't be too rich or have too big a battery"...
Does the iPhone in my hip pocket make me look fat?
Who said, "Let them eat bandwidth."?
Well, as the Duchess of Windsor said, "you can't be too rich or have too big a battery"...
or maybe that was Kanye...?
Who said, "Let them eat bandwidth."?
Uh...I think that was John Philip Sousa...?
except Ive has stated time and again they design a product to be great; not to imaginary profit specs. they assume if they make great products the profits will follow.
that's how Apple rolls. if you don't get that, you don't get Apple.
Timing is also important. Remember the Apple Newton? Brilliant idea that was too far ahead of its time.
1) Have you checked the healthy of your battery? If it's below 80% they'll replace it.
2) Did you have BT off or simply not using it before the Watch?
1) Have you checked the healthy of your battery? If it's below 80% they'll replace it.
2) Did you have BT off or simply not using it before the Watch?
The battery for the iPhone 6 Plus is exceptional which is why, even though I prefer the smaller form factor of the 4.7 inch model, having a battery that lasts almost two full days is enough reason for me to get the 6s Plus.
I could probably go two day, as well, but since I charge at night I can't say it's an issue. Plus, I always have a battery backup close by just in case there is a need.
I know it is not an iPhone but we can use the moto droid as a case study. Motorola released a version of the phone that was twice as thick with nearly three times the battery life.
We can use this information based on sales to see of consumers when faced with the same phone choose battery over slimness. While I will admit I don't have access to the sales figures I do know the droid maxx had an relatively impressive run and people were willing to pay an extra 100$ for a thicker phone just for the battery life. If we assume this would be true with apple there would be a market for people who do not care about thinness and would put more priority on battery. Power users people, prone to emergency traveling, and etc.
In fact we see it on this very sight where some users purchased the 6+ over the 6 only for perceived battery gains. Battery life for some people no matter how apple improves it will never be enough hints the fact morphie makes juice packs.
Edit: found a little insight on sales. At one point the droid maxx was the top of the pack at Verizon beating its cheaper less battery thinner brother. People do put a heavy value on battery.
www.barrons.com/articles/BL-TB-36757
So you're saying that Apple is losing money by not selling an increasing thicker phone with a larger battery every year? OK, I'll bite. Let's say Apple did increase the battery by 50% this year which increases the thickness by 15% and the weight by 5%. The original iPhone was 4.8 ounces. Using the compound interest formula, that means on Wed we'd be seeing an iPhone that is 1.4 inches / 36 mm thick, and weighing over 7lb / 3.22 kg. But, hey, it will have a battery life that will last over a month without ever need to be on a charger. Yes, I'm sure your "people will pay for thicker phones with more battery" would be flying off the shelves¡
But to suggest that people would leave a phone and platform like iPhone/iOS because of a single feature - that is already very good - but could be better - is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. Is that really how you shop? You're not listening to what people are saying - you're changing the questions/comments of others and then you're arguing with people about things they didn't say.
In any case, my original point seems to be proven by all the comments on a more recent thread here on AI:
"Apple planning 2016 'iPhone 7' to be thinnest yet, in-line with new iPod touch & iPad Air 2"
Read the comments there and see how many people are saying they'd rather have a bigger battery over a thinner phone. (And by the way - none of them will leave the platform if they don't get it. Does that make their opinion wrong about what they as individuals would prefer?). I really hope that English is your second language - because then I might be able to excuse your misunderstanding - but if English is your native language, there is no excuse for the ignorance of your posts except for extremely low, possibly even a negative IQ score.
Do you finally understand?
Oh, I read all the stupidity, hence my hyperbolic comment to point the stupidity of saying that a bigger battery is better than anything else, all the time, no matter what other parameters are in place. You never once stated a single metric about duration of use, against size of width, volume, or weight. Not a single fucking element! All you did was claim that if giving a ridiculous stupid survey without any other parameters given they would make an obvious choice. Duh-fuckig-doy.
Oh, I read all the stupidity, hence my hyperbolic comment to point the stupidity of saying that a bigger battery is better than anything else, all the time, no matter what other parameters are in place. You never once stated a single metric about duration of use, against size of width, volume, or weight. Not a single fucking element! All you did was claim that if giving a ridiculous stupid survey without any other parameters given they would make an obvious choice. Duh-fuckig-doy.
No one is saying a bigger battery is better all the time. We are simply pointing out that average people value 10% more battery more then they would 10% slimmer. I even posted an article that showed people knowingly went into Verizon stores paid an extra 100 dollars for a phone that would be thicker and half more battery life. I am simply proving that people care more about battery then they do slimness. As one does give a real world purpose instantly. While the other only becomes an "inconvenience" around 8-9mm. The Iphone 4 was not too thick and it was 9.3mm would it be a crime for some people to choose that width for more battery life.
I am 25 years old and sometimes when I get off from work I like to go with friends and go clubbing until 5am. I am sometimes awake for 24hrs. I would prefer when I am clubbing and may need to call a cab my phone has juice to make the call. As it is now I swap out to an older phone when I go out clubbing so it is always charged but some of my friends don't have that luxury and would prefer a phone with battery life to last a full day.
Now we're getting some different, and more reasonably stated answers.
Look at that, actual values.
Didn't see that article.
You've barely stated an argument, and certainly not less proof.
1) More numbers, and an example. Now you're catching on, but will [@]tenly[/@]?
2) I never found the iPhone 4 "too thick" but I prefer the current iPhone 6 Plus thickness, the rounded casing and glass, and, of course, the longer battery life.
That just sounds dumb. Why change devices over using the same device all day? You plug in an external battery pack and get to about 80% in under 20 minutes, or simply use a Juice Pack on those day, or pop it on for those nights. You have so many other options than, presumably, swapping SIM cards into some older phone. The only benefit of the phone change might be because you're afraid your partying my lead to the loss of that phone you use for clubbing. Other than that, you're just making more work for yourself.
If you're buying a $700 new phone only one year after the last, you really shouldn't complain about paying for a new $50 case.
1) My guess is that it's unlikely that the new phone won't into the average iPhone 6-series case, unless it's something that was milled, like a metal case. Leather, plastic and rubber probably will be fine with the numbers I saw for the new increase in volume.
2) I agree that people shouldn't be complaining about it, but I think most people aren't paying $700 per year since the year-over-year iPhone buyers are more likely to sell them off thus reducing their TCO considerably.