Apple is slowly moving to unite OS X and iOS but it may take time before they will merge it. They are making steps that can allow that. Unifying features and interface and mainly App thinning that allows to download only needed resources it can later allow download compatible binary for Intel or ARM.
Otherwise article is a lot of words about something customers will solve by themselves.
You're saying yes, but they're saying no. Doing what they're doing is not merging the two systems, even if it's allowing them to operate more alike.
Why would I have a BT keyboard for a laptop that I'm now also carrying with me along with my iPad Pro? Why would i take the BT keyboard from a desktop computer just so i can have something designed not to be mobile to carry with my mobile devices, and now leaving my desktop computer at home or work without a keyboard for whomever else in the household that would want to use it? You're not thinking this through.
Well equipped coworking spaces offer laptop stands for their coworkers. You'd need a bluetooth keyboard to take advantage of the laptop stand.
However, my point is that you are better off with a 99$ magic keyboard than a 169$ smart keyboard because its use is limited to the iPad pro only while the magic keyboard is compatible with all Apple devices (including the iPad Pro).
Well equipped coworking spaces offer laptop stands for their coworkers.
However, my point is that you are better off with a 99$ magic keyboard than a 169$ smart keyboard because its use is limited to the iPad pro only while the magic keyboard is compatible with all Apple devices (including the iPad Pro).
Depends on your use case. If you are at a desk (home or work) and have another stand for your iPad then the magic keyboard could work well..... but in most cases when you are carrying things around using it in a plane/train or other place - then having the keyboard stabilize the tablet would make much more sense. If you are just using the iPad at home and office and you are using it as a computer (word processing, spreadsheets - whatnot) then a Macbook would make more sense. Different tools for different use cases.
Apple did? I thought they discouraged physical keyboards until recently. I guess I only knew of some 3rd party ones, not realizing Apple sold them too. Thanks.
No, they didn't. I have the Apple keyboard that they came out with in the beginning. It's not meant for portable use, but for a desk. It's basically their Bluetooth keyboard with a rest and connector for a vertical iPad. I see I was beaten to that.
But third party keyboards have been sold both in the physical stores and on their web site from the beginning.
It's a myth that Apple didn't want keyboards when the APIs for them existed in the early days for the iPhone. It's like the myth that Jobs hated a stylus, when from the very beginning of the iPad, they carried them in their stores. In fact, when I bought the first LTE ipad back in May of 2010, when it first came out, the sales person asked me if I wanted a stylus with it. I did, and bought one. I bought their keyboard, either at the same time, or when it first came out shortly afterwards. I don't remember exactly.
Oh. Oh. Oh. why does AI believe they have to publish this drivel propaganda?
Clearly, the writer has zero clue about how companies are valued (tip: estimating the future is a big art of it); and just lays on a barrage of thought vomit regarding product differentiation and placement. Another topic he knows nothing about.
AI, just tell us the news and lay off with these "editorials", as if Microsoft of today is the same Microsoft that launched the Zune (and indeed, as if the Apple of today is the same that launched the iPhone, which was, lets face it, a once in a life time coup unlikely to be repeated ever again).
Yes, it absolutely would. It would be better than great.
No, it wouldn't. It would be as bad as the Surface. There's a company that buys various Macbook models and puts them in a tablet case. I tried one a few years ago, and it's really not worth it. It's really a pain to use.
No, they didn't. I have the Apple keyboard that they came out with in the beginning. It's not meant for portable use, but for a desk. It's basically their Bluetooth keyboard with a rest and connector for a vertical iPad.
... when I bought the first LTE ipad back in May of 2010, when it first came out, the sales person asked me if I wanted a stylus with it. I did, and bought one. I bought their keyboard, either at the same time, or when it first came out shortly afterwards. I don't remember exactly.
So you thought a keyboard and stylus were needed with even the original iPads? So why did some members here dismiss/ridicule keyboards and styli for other tablets when it was mentioned? Seems silly then in retrospect especially since Apple themselves saw a need for them.
No, it wouldn't. It would be as bad as the Surface. There's a company that buys various Macbook models and puts them in a tablet case. I tried one a few years ago, and it's really not worth it. It's really a pain to use.
Modbook. They are amazing to use. They suffer from one problem only, the company has to buy retail Macbook Pros, and convert them, making the price astronomical.
And the Surface is pretty good, it's major drawback is Windows. Same hardware running OS X = dream machine.
So you thought a keyboard and stylus were needed with even the original iPads? So why did some members here dismiss/ridicule keyboards and styli for other tablets when it was mentioned? Seems silly then in retrospect especially since Apple themselves saw a need for them.
Styluses to do what styluses do best (draw, whiteboard etc.) good. Styluses for input devices (ala Palm etc.) very bad. Never heard anyone redicule a keyboard, but to be quite honest version 1,2,3 were primarily consumption devices -- which some people tried to use in ways they were not designed for... when a laptop would have been better (but a Macbook 12" was not available at the time -- so people compromised).
Styluses to do what styluses do best (draw, whiteboard etc.) good. Styluses for input devices (ala Palm etc.) very bad. Never heard anyone redicule a keyboard
Personally, I think keyboard covers are niche products for people that are trying to use an iPad as a light laptop (in most cases). If you are using it primarily to work on productivity and writing apps (without drawing) then you would be stupid to get an iPad since a Macbook is almost as light as an iPad and better suited to the job. (Macbook is the first laptop that I feel gives you enough power while not being annoying to carry around with you all day). Laptops earlier on were things that you wanted to bring to a second location then drop -- before doing anything else. That problem has more or less disappeared. iPad (traditional) are great as consumption devices and now with the better "pencil" make great eWhite boards...
Most people are blind to only their use case - which is why there was so many negative comments early with the Macbook 12.... but not all use cases are the same.
As you say, use the right tool for the job. On that "Note" I can't imagine a use case for an 18.4" tablet that will soon hit the market. Epitome of throwing things at the wall . . ..
...not meant to waylay the thread either. It was just worth mentioning IMO.
I think Microsoft is starting to get it right and Apple "Die Hards" don't like competition or see Bloggers for once actually agree that Microsoft has become the new innovator of devices.
This article only solidifies an outsiders perspective of that when you refer to Microsofts long lost Monopoly. If anything Apple is the Monopoly in every aspect. Or that Bloggers are selling out because for once they are actually praising Microsoft for its new devices, which was something Microsoft felt was necessary to create a laptop that could go head to head with the MacBook Pro to rejuvenate the slumping PC market.
All Apple has really been doing over the past few years isn't really innovative at all and people are starting to see that. Take "Force Touch" for example and how all they did was upgrade the trackpad on a MacBook & integrated it into the screen for the Apple Watch. Or 3D Touch which is just force touch plain & simple nothing really new.
And that's why it's easy to see that people are getting a little less excited with every new upgraded devices Apple unveils every year. You can say that my statement is wrong by posting all the sales figures you want, but it's easy to see that haven't gone down & only continue to grow. But that growth mainly is due to lack of a serious contender that has created devices that only try to copy or chase Apple design features, but Microsoft has been working to change that when it came out with the original Surface. They didn't give in when it failed to catch the publics attention, but that all changed with Surface Pro 3 and now you see that it's Microsoft, not Apple, that people are seeing as new & innovative when it comes to devices.
their arrogance has taken them far, but Steve is dead now
Tim serves the shareholders, not the customer
when Apple releases a tablet laptop hybrid that runs iOS and OS X everyone will marvel at their innovation
reading some comments here it's obvious many do nothing resembling 'work' with computing devices
keep eating soup with a fork and let me know how that works out for you
I just don't want to touch anything on the screen of my MacBook Pro, nor I'd like to detach its display .....
I completely agree. Those people that think OS X should be touch enabled must either have weirdly clean fingers or really bad eyes, that they're thinking they'll not to see smudge marks on their screen. It's one thing with an iPad or iPhone where you can literally just quickly wipe the screen on your shirt sleeve, but going bigger means the problem would be greater. Of course the use-case for touching the screen when you have full ability to do anything on screen using the trackpad makes needing to touch the screen a non-starter, which I just don't understand why people don't understand this? Maybe it's just PC user who has had to live with really bad trackpad functionality that makes them think touching the screen is the better solution?
I think Microsoft is starting to get it right and Apple "Die Hards" don't like competition or see Bloggers for once actually agree that Microsoft has become the new innovator of devices.
I have no problem with competition - and some of what they are doing is what I said they should do (manufacture their own quality hardware) -- I just don't agree with the directly they are taking with Windows.
How many "bloggers" or "news" sights actually are honest - hard to say.... There is a massive amount of money thrown around on sights that will write pieces based on remuneration.... There are lots of these sights that are in the business than for no other reason (it is not just limited to tech), you have many sights that spend their whole time writing click bait to pull people there for advertising revenue -- truth / integrity for sale.
Same with TV shows - ever wondered why certain shows display the Mac or Surface prominently.... it is because they are paid for it - not because the hardware / software actually existed that made it the right fit in reality.
I don't know how many times over the last few years I read.... Microsoft this / that is a Macbook / Macbook Air / Macbook Pro / iPad killer.... what that tells me is.... Microsoft is trying to play catch up.... winners never have to measure themselves against losers!
At the moment I would say iPad is good enough to replace a PC for people who just need to write documents, surf the internet and check email. And this is a huge market, hence the incredible success of iPad in the last few years.
It is true that iPad is still lacking in some specialised softwares and softwares that demand more computational power, this is because there has not been a iPad Pro with A9X and 4 Gb RAM. The hardware must be available so that software developers can write the software for the market.
No doubt, professional softwares for iPad Pro will arrive in the next 2 to 3 years and I hope for Microsoft's sake they wake up soon and re-designing Windows UI. For the sake of the market, I prefer Apple to have some real competition.
Personally, I think keyboard covers are niche products for people that are trying to use an iPad as a light laptop (in most cases). If you are using it primarily to work on productivity and writing apps (without drawing) then you would be stupid to get an iPad since a Macbook is almost as light as an iPad and better suited to the job. (Macbook is the first laptop that I feel gives you enough power while not being annoying to carry around with you all day). Laptops earlier on were things that you wanted to bring to a second location then drop -- before doing anything else. That problem has more or less disappeared. iPad (traditional) are great as consumption devices and now with the better "pencil" make great eWhite boards...
Most people are blind to only their use case - which is why there was so many negative comments early with the Macbook 12.... but not all use cases are the same.
The right tool for the right job.....
I had (and still have) lots of interest in the MacBook, I think it's a marvel of engineering and utterly beautiful. I'm a diminutive device person, my current laptop is the 11" MBA, but like I said earlier, I've started taking my iPad (with keyboard cover) with me exclusively to use outside the home, and since iOS has matured recently so well (along with the apps it runs) I can do all I could with my MBA, but on my iPad. The bonus then is that it still runs iOS and acts like a tablet so I can play iOS games on it (I like board games so the extra real estate is nice) for example, and there is the general (simple) ease of use of iOS compared to OS X. I'm looking at the iPad Pro instead of the MacBook (currently - I'm completely undecided) simply because the sizes and weights of the two (iPad Pro with keyboard vs. MacBook) are quite similar but the iPad in a way provides more functionality because it is also a tablet and runs iOS. The MacBook is more limited (in my use cases) in that it only runs OS X and isn't a tablet.
Right tool for the right job, yes, it just feels for me like iOS is covering more and more bases that only OS X used to cover. Still, I do love the look of the new MacBook, but I am leaning toward an iPad Pro (with keyboard) - decisions, decisions!
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You're saying yes, but they're saying no. Doing what they're doing is not merging the two systems, even if it's allowing them to operate more alike.
Why would I have a BT keyboard for a laptop that I'm now also carrying with me along with my iPad Pro? Why would i take the BT keyboard from a desktop computer just so i can have something designed not to be mobile to carry with my mobile devices, and now leaving my desktop computer at home or work without a keyboard for whomever else in the household that would want to use it? You're not thinking this through.
Well equipped coworking spaces offer laptop stands for their coworkers. You'd need a bluetooth keyboard to take advantage of the laptop stand.
However, my point is that you are better off with a 99$ magic keyboard than a 169$ smart keyboard because its use is limited to the iPad pro only while the magic keyboard is compatible with all Apple devices (including the iPad Pro).
Well equipped coworking spaces offer laptop stands for their coworkers.
However, my point is that you are better off with a 99$ magic keyboard than a 169$ smart keyboard because its use is limited to the iPad pro only while the magic keyboard is compatible with all Apple devices (including the iPad Pro).
Depends on your use case. If you are at a desk (home or work) and have another stand for your iPad then the magic keyboard could work well..... but in most cases when you are carrying things around using it in a plane/train or other place - then having the keyboard stabilize the tablet would make much more sense. If you are just using the iPad at home and office and you are using it as a computer (word processing, spreadsheets - whatnot) then a Macbook would make more sense. Different tools for different use cases.
Yes, it absolutely would. It would be better than great.
No, they didn't. I have the Apple keyboard that they came out with in the beginning. It's not meant for portable use, but for a desk. It's basically their Bluetooth keyboard with a rest and connector for a vertical iPad. I see I was beaten to that.
But third party keyboards have been sold both in the physical stores and on their web site from the beginning.
It's a myth that Apple didn't want keyboards when the APIs for them existed in the early days for the iPhone. It's like the myth that Jobs hated a stylus, when from the very beginning of the iPad, they carried them in their stores. In fact, when I bought the first LTE ipad back in May of 2010, when it first came out, the sales person asked me if I wanted a stylus with it. I did, and bought one. I bought their keyboard, either at the same time, or when it first came out shortly afterwards. I don't remember exactly.
Oh. Oh. Oh. why does AI believe they have to publish this drivel propaganda?
Clearly, the writer has zero clue about how companies are valued (tip: estimating the future is a big art of it); and just lays on a barrage of thought vomit regarding product differentiation and placement. Another topic he knows nothing about.
AI, just tell us the news and lay off with these "editorials", as if Microsoft of today is the same Microsoft that launched the Zune (and indeed, as if the Apple of today is the same that launched the iPhone, which was, lets face it, a once in a life time coup unlikely to be repeated ever again).
Yes, it absolutely would. It would be better than great.
case mactablet is a tablet input device
Yes
case mactablet is a tablet with Mac OS X
NO WAY!
No, it wouldn't. It would be as bad as the Surface. There's a company that buys various Macbook models and puts them in a tablet case. I tried one a few years ago, and it's really not worth it. It's really a pain to use.
Modbook. They are amazing to use. They suffer from one problem only, the company has to buy retail Macbook Pros, and convert them, making the price astronomical.
And the Surface is pretty good, it's major drawback is Windows. Same hardware running OS X = dream machine.
So you thought a keyboard and stylus were needed with even the original iPads? So why did some members here dismiss/ridicule keyboards and styli for other tablets when it was mentioned? Seems silly then in retrospect especially since Apple themselves saw a need for them.
Styluses to do what styluses do best (draw, whiteboard etc.) good. Styluses for input devices (ala Palm etc.) very bad. Never heard anyone redicule a keyboard, but to be quite honest version 1,2,3 were primarily consumption devices -- which some people tried to use in ways they were not designed for... when a laptop would have been better (but a Macbook 12" was not available at the time -- so people compromised).
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/21/apple-reportedly-testing-ipad-keyboard-akin-to-microsofts-touch-cover
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/21/apple-reportedly-testing-ipad-keyboard-akin-to-microsofts-touch-cover
Personally, I think keyboard covers are niche products for people that are trying to use an iPad as a light laptop (in most cases). If you are using it primarily to work on productivity and writing apps (without drawing) then you would be stupid to get an iPad since a Macbook is almost as light as an iPad and better suited to the job. (Macbook is the first laptop that I feel gives you enough power while not being annoying to carry around with you all day). Laptops earlier on were things that you wanted to bring to a second location then drop -- before doing anything else. That problem has more or less disappeared. iPad (traditional) are great as consumption devices and now with the better "pencil" make great eWhite boards...
Most people are blind to only their use case - which is why there was so many negative comments early with the Macbook 12.... but not all use cases are the same.
The right tool for the right job.....
As you say, use the right tool for the job. On that "Note" I can't imagine a use case for an 18.4" tablet that will soon hit the market. Epitome of throwing things at the wall . . ..
...not meant to waylay the thread either. It was just worth mentioning IMO.
On that "Note" I can't imagine a use case for an 18.4" tablet that will soon hit the market. Epitome of throwing things at the wall . . ..
...not meant to waylay the thread either. It was just worth mentioning IMO.
Too small..... I could see one that is useful as a new drafting table (as long as it is light enough to incline)
I think Microsoft is starting to get it right and Apple "Die Hards" don't like competition or see Bloggers for once actually agree that Microsoft has become the new innovator of devices.
This article only solidifies an outsiders perspective of that when you refer to Microsofts long lost Monopoly. If anything Apple is the Monopoly in every aspect. Or that Bloggers are selling out because for once they are actually praising Microsoft for its new devices, which was something Microsoft felt was necessary to create a laptop that could go head to head with the MacBook Pro to rejuvenate the slumping PC market.
All Apple has really been doing over the past few years isn't really innovative at all and people are starting to see that. Take "Force Touch" for example and how all they did was upgrade the trackpad on a MacBook & integrated it into the screen for the Apple Watch. Or 3D Touch which is just force touch plain & simple nothing really new.
And that's why it's easy to see that people are getting a little less excited with every new upgraded devices Apple unveils every year. You can say that my statement is wrong by posting all the sales figures you want, but it's easy to see that haven't gone down & only continue to grow. But that growth mainly is due to lack of a serious contender that has created devices that only try to copy or chase Apple design features, but Microsoft has been working to change that when it came out with the original Surface. They didn't give in when it failed to catch the publics attention, but that all changed with Surface Pro 3 and now you see that it's Microsoft, not Apple, that people are seeing as new & innovative when it comes to devices.
apple's hubris will not serve them well
their arrogance has taken them far, but Steve is dead now
Tim serves the shareholders, not the customer
when Apple releases a tablet laptop hybrid that runs iOS and OS X everyone will marvel at their innovation
reading some comments here it's obvious many do nothing resembling 'work' with computing devices
keep eating soup with a fork and let me know how that works out for you
I just don't want to touch anything on the screen of my MacBook Pro, nor I'd like to detach its display .....
I completely agree. Those people that think OS X should be touch enabled must either have weirdly clean fingers or really bad eyes, that they're thinking they'll not to see smudge marks on their screen. It's one thing with an iPad or iPhone where you can literally just quickly wipe the screen on your shirt sleeve, but going bigger means the problem would be greater. Of course the use-case for touching the screen when you have full ability to do anything on screen using the trackpad makes needing to touch the screen a non-starter, which I just don't understand why people don't understand this? Maybe it's just PC user who has had to live with really bad trackpad functionality that makes them think touching the screen is the better solution?
I think Microsoft is starting to get it right and Apple "Die Hards" don't like competition or see Bloggers for once actually agree that Microsoft has become the new innovator of devices.
I have no problem with competition - and some of what they are doing is what I said they should do (manufacture their own quality hardware) -- I just don't agree with the directly they are taking with Windows.
How many "bloggers" or "news" sights actually are honest - hard to say.... There is a massive amount of money thrown around on sights that will write pieces based on remuneration.... There are lots of these sights that are in the business than for no other reason (it is not just limited to tech), you have many sights that spend their whole time writing click bait to pull people there for advertising revenue -- truth / integrity for sale.
Same with TV shows - ever wondered why certain shows display the Mac or Surface prominently.... it is because they are paid for it - not because the hardware / software actually existed that made it the right fit in reality.
I don't know how many times over the last few years I read.... Microsoft this / that is a Macbook / Macbook Air / Macbook Pro / iPad killer.... what that tells me is.... Microsoft is trying to play catch up.... winners never have to measure themselves against losers!
At the moment I would say iPad is good enough to replace a PC for people who just need to write documents, surf the internet and check email. And this is a huge market, hence the incredible success of iPad in the last few years.
It is true that iPad is still lacking in some specialised softwares and softwares that demand more computational power, this is because there has not been a iPad Pro with A9X and 4 Gb RAM. The hardware must be available so that software developers can write the software for the market.
No doubt, professional softwares for iPad Pro will arrive in the next 2 to 3 years and I hope for Microsoft's sake they wake up soon and re-designing Windows UI. For the sake of the market, I prefer Apple to have some real competition.
Personally, I think keyboard covers are niche products for people that are trying to use an iPad as a light laptop (in most cases). If you are using it primarily to work on productivity and writing apps (without drawing) then you would be stupid to get an iPad since a Macbook is almost as light as an iPad and better suited to the job. (Macbook is the first laptop that I feel gives you enough power while not being annoying to carry around with you all day). Laptops earlier on were things that you wanted to bring to a second location then drop -- before doing anything else. That problem has more or less disappeared. iPad (traditional) are great as consumption devices and now with the better "pencil" make great eWhite boards...
Most people are blind to only their use case - which is why there was so many negative comments early with the Macbook 12.... but not all use cases are the same.
The right tool for the right job.....
I had (and still have) lots of interest in the MacBook, I think it's a marvel of engineering and utterly beautiful. I'm a diminutive device person, my current laptop is the 11" MBA, but like I said earlier, I've started taking my iPad (with keyboard cover) with me exclusively to use outside the home, and since iOS has matured recently so well (along with the apps it runs) I can do all I could with my MBA, but on my iPad. The bonus then is that it still runs iOS and acts like a tablet so I can play iOS games on it (I like board games so the extra real estate is nice) for example, and there is the general (simple) ease of use of iOS compared to OS X. I'm looking at the iPad Pro instead of the MacBook (currently - I'm completely undecided) simply because the sizes and weights of the two (iPad Pro with keyboard vs. MacBook) are quite similar but the iPad in a way provides more functionality because it is also a tablet and runs iOS. The MacBook is more limited (in my use cases) in that it only runs OS X and isn't a tablet.
Right tool for the right job, yes, it just feels for me like iOS is covering more and more bases that only OS X used to cover. Still, I do love the look of the new MacBook, but I am leaning toward an iPad Pro (with keyboard) - decisions, decisions!