iPad Pro reviews: great hardware, but potential is limited thanks to iOS

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  • Reply 61 of 180
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    satchmo wrote: »

    Just like the Apple Watch? 
    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Apple used to be about solving a problem. Now it's all about the profits.</span>


    I'm sure this iPad Pro will resonate with professional illustrators because of the Pencil, but what can it do that can't be done with a laptop? 
    And if it's touch you want, why not just enable touch on the next gen MBP's or go the detachable SurfaceBook route.

    I'm sorry the thought that you can just enable touch on a Mac is ridiculous. It is far easier for Apple to make iOS more capable than trying to turn OS X into a multi touch OS. And with iPad Pro and the A9X chip it's clear that Apple is designing hardware plenty capable of running desktop class applications.
  • Reply 62 of 180
    Put a keyboard an you have a very limited Macbook. It's simply not a computer! The iPad Pro is just a big size tablet with limited IOS capabilities and CANNOT, for now, be compared to the lineup of Apple MacBooks or PC's.

    For the price of that tablet, it's a no brainer, I would still go for a whatever MacBook model for real complete computer needs.

    Again, even if you try to convince me that it's a powerful hardware, it's still a tablet and not a computer!

    So, to read an ebook, to search the internet or to play with an App, I would buy myself an iPad Air 2 for the portable aspect of it and it's overall price performance value. And believe me, it's powerful enough!

    Nice try Apple, the iPad segment needed some attention, but I will pass for this one...
  • Reply 64 of 180
    tonton wrote: »
    People under 25 want things like a BitTorrent client and selection and layers in Photoshop.

    not normal people (cars). the people youre describe are trucks.
  • Reply 65 of 180
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,312member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post





    That is a straw man argument. It is the way of replacement technologies to leave some functionality of the earlier technology. The are numerous examples of this. Back in the day when we had CLI interfaces--almost every personal computer included a BASIC interpreter and most of their users did their computing using BASIC programs that they wrote themselves. Today, BASIC is deadly dead a a language and almost nobody writes their own programs.



    The iPad has already replaced a lot of laptops. The iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil will no doubt replace a lot more laptops. The times, they are a-changing.



    Even Apple admit it is really a consumption device. Trucks and cars. Maybe Tim Cook comes into work and boots up the iPad Pro to send all his emails but most people will start a desktop device and start working on multiple screens, command tabbing between numerous applications, and using the mouse as a much finer grained inout device than a finger. And they will do it on larger screens than the iPad. 

     

    The cars, well iPads will replace laptops for some, but by no means all, home use. 

  • Reply 66 of 180
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pmz View Post

     

    People have to stop going to such extremes with their thought processes and comments.

     

    iPhone replaced laptops for some people.

    iPad replaced laptops for more people.

    iPad Pro will replace even more laptops for even more people.

     

    And there will still be people with laptops. Just fewer than when this all started.


     

     

    Such rational commentary is simply not acceptable in internet forums like this. If you're not prepared to stick blindly to an extreme, straw man argument and purposely misunderstand others comments, please go elsewhere.

  • Reply 67 of 180
    satchmo wrote: »
    Just like the Apple Watch? 

    what about it? great product that got me to start wearing a "watch" again after 20 years, tho i got it for the combo of several features. it will only get better, just like the imac, ipad, iphone, and ipad before it did.

    Apple used to be about solving a problem. Now it's all about the profits.

    ah, the "Apple is just a bean counter!" troll trope. next.
  • Reply 68 of 180
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





    Ah, mixed messages are encouraged by Apple's executive leadership! That doesn't sound like a good plan to me but Apple knows a whole lot more about marketing than I do.



    Do you even contribute to society via a job or career or is being a forum jockey a full time hobby for you?  Seriously dude, your condescending, faux outrage and fake concern is very tiring.  I suggest, you find an anti-apple forum, that way you'll have a better audience for your tech theology conversions.  Maybe even start a Gatorguy baptism into google page, where you bless them with the love of the ever knowing search engine algorithms.  

  • Reply 69 of 180
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,752member

    Do you even contribute to society via a job or career or is being a forum jockey a full time hobby for you?  Seriously dude, your condescending, faux outrage and fake concern is very tiring.  I suggest, you find an anti-apple forum, that way you'll have a better audience for your tech theology conversions.  Maybe even start a Gatorguy baptism into google page, where you bless them with the love of the ever knowing search engine algorithms.  
    :\
    More posts like that rather than less. Who doesn't enjoy a little ad-hom distraction? It just adds so worth to the forum discussions.
  • Reply 70 of 180
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

     



    Even Apple admit it is really a consumption device. Trucks and cars. Maybe Tim Cook comes into work and boots up the iPad Pro to send all his emails but most people will start a desktop device and start working on multiple screens, command tabbing between numerous applications, and using the mouse as a much finer grained inout device than a finger. And they will do it on larger screens than the iPad. 

     

    The cars, well iPads will replace laptops for some, but by no means all, home use. 


     

    Have you ever even used an iPad? Because what you just described indicates you haven't.

  • Reply 72 of 180
    asdasd wrote: »
    Even Apple admit it is really a consumption device.

    where? the material ive seen suggests the iPad Pro is *also* for content creation -- writing, drawing, editing, etc.

    Trucks and cars. Maybe Tim Cook comes into work and boots up the iPad Pro to send all his emails but most people will start a desktop device and start working on multiple screens, command tabbing between numerous applications, and using the mouse as a much finer grained inout device than a finger. And they will do it on larger screens than the iPad. 

    Jobs made that analogy when releasing the original ipad. and it stands -- but if you think my parents have multiple monitors and command-tab thru apps, youre nuts. most people dont do the things readers of these forums do.
  • Reply 73 of 180
    iOS is also its strength. No explanation necessary at this point as to why.
  • Reply 74 of 180
    GrangerFX wrote: »
    Tim Cook said recently that he now carries just an iPhone and an iPad Pro when he travels. This tells us one thing about Tim Cook: He does not write code. We know this because with that combo there is no way to develop apps since XCode is not available for the iPad Pro. You can develop Windows apps on a Surface Pro in Visual Studio. If you want to develop and test apps in the field (like say a GPS based app) you must lug around an iPad and a Mac laptop and then tether the two together with a lightning cable so you can test the touch gestures (no way to do that in the simulator and no touch screen on any Mac laptop). Sadly for software development, Apple now trails Windows by several years by simply ignoring its own developers as a major market for its products. 

    But developers AREN'T a major market. Certainly not for Apple products. This is always how it's been. Maybe it's to Apple's detriment, but they've never been a development platform of the majority's preference. They're a consumer product maker and sonewhat content-creator's platform. Yes, there'd be more content creation tools with more Apple attention on developers as users, but that's a different topic.
  • Reply 75 of 180
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    I'm sorry the thought that you can just enable touch on a Mac is ridiculous. It is far easier for Apple to make iOS more capable than trying to turn OS X into a multi touch OS. And with iPad Pro and the A9X chip it's clear that Apple is designing hardware plenty capable of running desktop class applications.



    Sure, I get that. But whether you optimize iOS or OS X, my point was that the form factor of an iPad Pro (with keyboard) and a MBP really isn't that different. So where's the innovation? From a form factor standpoint, we're essentially skating to where Microsoft is.

  • Reply 76 of 180
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post





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    More posts like that rather than less. Who doesn't enjoy a little ad-hom distraction? It just adds so worth to the forum discussions.



    Aw, confuzzeled emoji, how cute.  Preach it brother Gator. 

  • Reply 77 of 180
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by satchmo View Post

     



    Sure, I get that. But whether you optimize iOS or OS X, my point was that the form factor of an iPad Pro (with keyboard) and a MBP really isn't that different. So where's the innovation? From a form factor standpoint, we're essentially skating to where Microsoft is.




    iPad Pro is cheaper, thinner, lighter, better battery life than a MacBook Pro. And performance is comparable. The OS is also more secure.

  • Reply 78 of 180
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    satchmo wrote: »

    Sure, I get that. But whether you optimize iOS or OS X, my point was that the form factor of an iPad Pro (with keyboard) and a MBP really isn't that different. So where's the innovation? From a form factor standpoint, we're essentially skating to where Microsoft is.

    What? Since the first gen iPad there have been keyboard accessories for the device. Microsoft didn't create some innovative form factor. They just tried to shoe horn a desktop OS into a tablet. Apple clearly is not doing that.
  • Reply 79 of 180
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NolaMacGuy View Post





    what about it? great product that got me to start wearing a "watch" again after 20 years, tho i got it for the combo of several features. it will only get better, just like the imac, ipad, iphone, and ipad before it did.

    ah, the "Apple is just a bean counter!" troll trope. next.



    Yes, troll. Please. I just don't have blinders on.

    I'm glad you're enjoying that Apple Watch.

    But really, what problem did it solve? Maybe when it's untethered, I'll have a look.

     

    Apologies for derailing going off topic. This thread is about the iPad Pro.

  • Reply 80 of 180
    mstone wrote: »
    iOS has a file system. The user just can't access it. It is a security feature not a convenience feature. iOS hides the file system to help prevent typical dumb users from downloading and executing malware. For highly technical users the lack of access to a file system is more of a hinderance than benefit, but that is the way iOS was designed, to protect people from themselves.

    Still incorrect. It IS a convenience feature. For average users. Not tech people. iOS wasn't made for developers, tech fiddlers, and massively scaled heavy workloads. It was made for users. Average users that need a computing device to conveniently interact with the computing world, without demanding undue amounts of support and technical knowledge about the device. Average people aren't dumb just because they don't know all the specialist details you do. How arrogant that presumption is!

    Some day, I hope it will come to pass that tech people will stop automatically seeing every computing device as being meant for them alone and being a "massive fail" when it doesn't meet their own very technical and minority preferences.

    The technology has smarted-up, not been "dumbed-down". That's Apple's greatest contribution to this whole wretched industry. Best thing that could happen is the extinction of elitist computer geek attitudes. Computers were originally focused at that segment of the population, but that time is LONG OVER. Deal with it without slandering the rest of your fellow human beings.
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