Banksy mural in France uses Apple's Steve Jobs to make statement about Syrian refugees

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  • Reply 61 of 122
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    It's amazing that a country that is stereotypically known for being cowardly and invented Parquor, a sport that perfects the art of running away, is such an inspiration to the world on how to deal with oppressive radicals, and Americans are acting like a bunch of panty-wetting cowards.
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  • Reply 62 of 122
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    So when are you opening up your house to them?
    I know and have known Muslims and none of them were radicals. I personally don't advocate for any religion, but people are free to believe whatever they like as long as they don't harm others.
    It's the last part that many arabs don't seem to be dealing with very well...
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  • Reply 63 of 122
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Soli said:
    It's amazing that a country that is stereotypically known for being cowardly and invented Parquor, a sport that perfects the art of running away, is such an inspiration to the world on how to deal with oppressive radicals, and Americans are acting like a bunch of panty-wetting cowards.
    Not true at all. Your reasoning is wrong and quite delusional.

    It is the current admin that is a bunch of cowards, so afraid of a bunch of primitive terrorist lowlifes, that they dare not even call them by their proper name. They're afraid to even speak the name of the enemy, because that might offend somebody, somewhere. 

    We're going to wipe them out, and that's hardly the sign of a panty-wetting coward. 

    The only panty-wetting cowards are the people who are now beginning to wake up to the fact that Trump is indeed very strong and the mere thought of him winning, terrifies these cowards.
    thewhitefalconmwhite
  • Reply 64 of 122
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    1. being worried about terrorist infiltration doesn't make you a pussy.  It makes you intelligent.  Calling somebody a pussy for worrying about islamic terrorism, especially in the wake of recent events, that makes you a colossal asshole.

    2. You don't even know what the word "bigot" means.  That, or you chose to use it to describe something you don't in such a way that it would taint the perception of it negatively, which, makes you the actual bigot.

    3. The fear that one of those syrians is a terrorist is 100% legitimate, and it is 100% guaranteed to be the case.  So you are either a moron, or you are willing to see Americans die to satisfy your warped desire to appear to be the caring, concerned, benevolent liberal you pretend to be.

    4. If you're so concerned with helping "those in need", start with the homeless outside your front door, bigot.  Start with the Veterans that your president refuses to help.  Start at home and save the people you know before you start trying to spend other peoples' money saving the world you don't know.
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  • Reply 65 of 122
    schlack said:
    Soli said:
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation.
    In what way? A large percentage of vocal, bigoted Americans don't want to let any Syrian refugees in the country for fear that one could be a terrorist.

    Furthmore, Jobs not being Muslim makes his point and of those that aren't acting like pussies when it comes to helping those in need, because the offspring of immigrants are very likely to adapt to the American culture.
    So when are you opening up your house to them?
    I know and have known Muslims and none of them were radicals. I personally don't advocate for any religion, but people are free to believe whatever they like as long as they don't harm others.
    It's the last part that many arabs don't seem to be dealing with very well...
    I have yet to meet a muslim that wouldn't like to see Israel annihilated and the Jews wiped out.  Come to think of it, I haven't met a Democrat like that either.
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  • Reply 66 of 122
    mwhite said:
    ireland said:
    mwhite said:

    Trump is the best thing America has going for it!!!!!!
    Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
    Not at all I changed from Democrat to Republican because of him.
    Funny how people like this guy believe because he is a "business man" that he'll save America. Do these people realize at all about how he because so rich? Well it was by hostile taking over controlling interest in companies, completely running them into the ground and then bankrupting them. Ya bet he's going to do great things for America, if you want him as your president, sit your self down watch some of his show the apprentice and how big of an ass he is to everyone and think to your self "Would I want to be work this guy?". Now your answer would or should be most likely not, so why would you want this man as your president. Give you head a shake.
    Funny how people like you actually don't know what you're talking about, but will say any negative thing you can to demonize Trump.  

    Funny how people like you keep voting for the same old establishment politicians, who you spend the year bitching about but then you vote for them just the same come election time.  

    Funny how I read Trumps books and you didn't.

    Funny how most people hold the same opinion of Trump:  He's a braggart and an asshole, and not particularly likeable, but hes got balls the size of cocnuts, is a decisive MAN, and will protect the United States.

    Thats three more things for him that can't be said of the DaliBama.

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  • Reply 67 of 122
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    echosonic said:
    Funny how people like you actually don't know what you're talking about, but will say any negative thing you can to demonize Trump.  

    It's hilarious! All attacks only make him stronger!

    The idiotic, lying liberal, censorship tactic no longer works!

    You're a racist! You're a bigot! You're Hitler! Blah Blah Blah!

    Keep it coming liberals! :D
    echosonicmwhite
  • Reply 68 of 122

    I don't agree with the "your (sic) an idiot" bit, but it should noted here that Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the US during the Iranian hostage crisis in the 70s. Trump's suggestion is not without precedent, nor is it unconstitutional since his comment would apply to non-citizens.

    Iranians are citizens of a nation, and nations have diplomatic relations with other nations. "Muslim" is a religion. there is NO precedent on banning people of a certain faith. try again. 
    There is nothing that prevents non-citizens of any religion from being banned from immigrating to the US. That specific thing would be unprecedented for the US, but it would not be unconstitutional. The US Constitution applies to US citizens.
    Actually, there IS precedent for a President to ban any immigration for any reason he chooses, up to and including religion alone.  The armchair Constitutionalists don't have a clue what you're talking about.
    mwhite
  • Reply 69 of 122
    Soli said:
    It's amazing that a country that is stereotypically known for being cowardly and invented Parquor, a sport that perfects the art of running away, is such an inspiration to the world on how to deal with oppressive radicals, and Americans are acting like a bunch of panty-wetting cowards.
    You might be interested to know that the so-called "far right" has made a sudden comeback in France and Orlande is in danger of being pushed out. Socialists in France may not be around much longer as their people are frightened and want a much tougher response to Islamic terrorists.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frances-far-right-front-national-wins-one-in-three-votes-in-regional-elections-following-paris-a6764031.html

    http://qz.com/567247/the-rise-of-frances-far-right-from-the-1980s-to-today-charted/

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/11/le-pen-french-tactical-voting-to-fight-rise-of-far-right

    ISIS is a "death cult" and their declared purpose is to bring about Armageddon. Rest assured they will see their own Armageddon soon enough.
    edited December 2015 mwhite
  • Reply 70 of 122
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Soli said:
    It's amazing that a country that is stereotypically known for being cowardly and invented Parquor, a sport that perfects the art of running away, is such an inspiration to the world on how to deal with oppressive radicals, and Americans are acting like a bunch of panty-wetting cowards.
    You might be interested to know that the so-called "far right" has made a sudden comeback in France and Orlande is in danger of being pushed out. Socialists in France may not be around much longer as their people are frightened and want a much tougher response to Islamic terrorists.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frances-far-right-front-national-wins-one-in-three-votes-in-regional-elections-following-paris-a6764031.html

    http://qz.com/567247/the-rise-of-frances-far-right-from-the-1980s-to-today-charted/
    France has been conducting raids like crazy and they've even discovered weapons caches in some Mosques! Those aren't Mosques! They're more like forward operating bases for the terrorists! 

    Liberals can deny and stick their heads in the sand all that they wish, but we are at war! B)
    mwhite
  • Reply 71 of 122
    apple ][ said:
    Soli said:
    It's amazing that a country that is stereotypically known for being cowardly and invented Parquor, a sport that perfects the art of running away, is such an inspiration to the world on how to deal with oppressive radicals, and Americans are acting like a bunch of panty-wetting cowards.
    You might be interested to know that the so-called "far right" has made a sudden comeback in France and Orlande is in danger of being pushed out. Socialists in France may not be around much longer as their people are frightened and want a much tougher response to Islamic terrorists.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frances-far-right-front-national-wins-one-in-three-votes-in-regional-elections-following-paris-a6764031.html

    http://qz.com/567247/the-rise-of-frances-far-right-from-the-1980s-to-today-charted/
    France has been conducting raids like crazy and they've even discovered weapons caches in some Mosques! Those aren't Mosques! They're more like forward operating bases for the terrorists! 

    Liberals can deny and stick their heads in the sand all that they wish, but we are at war! B)
    I have a great deal of respect for Soli's opinions and consider him a friend, even though we disagree on things from time to time. I will not insult him for having an opinion different from my own.
  • Reply 72 of 122
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    echosonic said:
    1. being worried about terrorist infiltration doesn't make you a pussy.  It makes you intelligent.  Calling somebody a pussy for worrying about islamic terrorism, especially in the wake of recent events, that makes you a colossal asshole.

    2. You don't even know what the word "bigot" means.  That, or you chose to use it to describe something you don't in such a way that it would taint the perception of it negatively, which, makes you the actual bigot.

    3. The fear that one of those syrians is a terrorist is 100% legitimate, and it is 100% guaranteed to be the case.  So you are either a moron, or you are willing to see Americans die to satisfy your warped desire to appear to be the caring, concerned, benevolent liberal you pretend to be.

    4. If you're so concerned with helping "those in need", start with the homeless outside your front door, bigot.  Start with the Veterans that your president refuses to help.  Start at home and save the people you know before you start trying to spend other peoples' money saving the world you don't know.
    1) Yes, it does, when you choose to label all people from a religion as terrorists, and ignore the more present threats in the US. For example, in the past year in the US, 4 people have been murdered by insane radicals that claim they are Muslim, and hundreds have been murdered by insane radicals that claim they are Christian, yet you aren't calling for all no Christians to be allowed into the country until we can "sort out" which ones are radical and which ones aren't.

    2) bigot - (n.) a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. You've already expressed multiple times that you're intolerant of Muslims and tolerant of Christians, without any rational concern for the most statistically probable danger facing the average US citizen in terms of religious extremism.

    3a) Sure, in the same way that you might fear that the car or plane you're in my crash.

    3b) "So you are either a moron, or you are willing to see Americans die…" That's how I know one is a frightened coward. You consciously know the fear is improbable, and yet your next statement to say that it's 100% guaranteed that Americans will die if we let any Muslims into the country… even those that were born and raised here.

    4a) Nice ad hominem personal attack there, echosonic.

    4b) You're words scream fear, which stems from ignorance; and I can't help you understand the truth if you're so afraid of your own shadow that you only see a woman in a black burka coming to kill you.

    4c) I suggest that all those that agree with Trump's plan to disallow a) US citizens fighting for our country oversee, b) Malala Yousafzai, the youngest winner of the Noble Peace Prize, c) comedian and actor Aasif Mandvi doing a comedy tour in Canada, or even d) Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Shaquille O'Neal taking a 3-day Disney cruise to the Bahamas with their families from returning to the US soil because of Trumps plan to destroy what America stands for. You may want to also try to understand what it means to be follower of Islam, learn what the term Abrahamic means, understand why anyone in the Middle East would hate the West, the US, and why following in the footsteps of Hitler and other xenocidal tyrants that feed off your fear will only result in creating more radicals. With all of Trump's ties to the Middle East and with all money ISIL apparently has, one has to wonder if they paid Trump to to be their secret recruiting tool in the US, because the only thing Trump cares about is Trump.
    punkndrublicmontrosemacs
  • Reply 73 of 122
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    ISIS is a "death cult" and their declared purpose is to bring about Armageddon. Rest assured they will see their own Armageddon soon enough.
    Yes, they are a cult. They are not a religion. They don't represent Islam. It's about time you came around.
    montrosemacs
  • Reply 74 of 122
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member

    apple ][ said:
    France has been conducting raids like crazy and they've even discovered weapons caches in some Mosques! Those aren't Mosques! They're more like forward operating bases for the terrorists! 
    You, too. That's big of you to change your stance on this topic in this thread. You are correct; those are not mosques, because Muslims wouldn't stand for that if they knew what was going on. They are cowards. Lets not help them make more by playing their game of ignorance and fear.

    "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them."
    edited December 2015
  • Reply 75 of 122
    Soli said:
    ISIS is a "death cult" and their declared purpose is to bring about Armageddon. Rest assured they will see their own Armageddon soon enough.
    Yes, they are a cult. They are not a religion. They don't represent Islam. It's about time you came around.
    I'm not making claims otherwise. ISIS are a radical branch which believes they are responsible for bringing about Armageddon and they are trying their damnedest to do it. There are also Christians who believe they will see Armageddon in their lifetimes, however most of them do not actively attempt to bring it about (with the exception of Jim Jones or David Koresh, but then neither of them were actively murdering anyone outside of their cult). A violent religious extremist cult which hides among the larger Muslim population is a danger to everyone.
    mwhite
  • Reply 76 of 122
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Soli said:

    apple ][ said:
    France has been conducting raids like crazy and they've even discovered weapons caches in some Mosques! Those aren't Mosques! They're more like forward operating bases for the terrorists! 
    You, too. That's big of you to change your stance on this topic in this thread. You are correct; those are not mosques, because Muslims wouldn't stand for that if they knew what was going on. They are cowards. Lets not help them make more by playing their game of ignorance and fear.

    "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them."
    Sure they would. There is significant support for extremist ideas in Islam and among Muslims.

    Are all Muslims bad? Of course not. But there is such a staggering percentage of extremists that security must take precedence.


    mwhite
  • Reply 77 of 122
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    I'm not making claims otherwise. ISIS are a radical branch which believes they are responsible for bringing about Armageddon and they are trying their damnedest to do it. There are also Christians who believe they will see Armageddon in their lifetimes, however most of them do not actively attempt to bring it about (with the exception of Jim Jones or David Koresh, but then neither of them were actively murdering anyone outside of their cult).
    But the claim is that all Muslims are terrorists that need to be watched, shouldn't be allowed in the country, and the ones that are here need to wear a symbol denoting they are Muslim.

    Do you know what happens when we start to blame and entire religion of people on a select few individuals? Do you know what happens when this nation's leaders say there should be no freedom of religion? Do you know how many Muslims have been harassed, beaten, and murdered this year because of intolerance to Muslims by so-called Christians and patriots of the US Constitution? Do you even know how many radical nutjobs claiming to be Christians have mass-murdered people in the name of Jesus this year?

    You're more likely to be killed by furniture—17 this year so far—than by ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
    A violent religious extremist cult which hides among the larger Muslim population is a danger to everyone.
    But not the violent religious extremists which hide among the larger Christian population?
    edited December 2015 suddenly newtonpunkndrublicmontrosemacs
  • Reply 78 of 122
    Soli said:

    ...
    "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them."

  • Reply 79 of 122
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    Jobs wasn't a Muslim. Banksy is off the reservation. Also, he is far more likely to be killed by a radical Islamist in the UK, versus in America. Guess those beheadings and bus bombings there mean nothing to him as long as he can make a smarmy visual joke.
    What does that have to do with religion? Not all Syrians are muslim and Jobs' parent may have been so that image nails the point perfectly.
    Soli
  • Reply 80 of 122
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Soli said:
    Do you know how many Muslims have been harassed, beaten, and murdered this year because of intolerance to Muslims by so-called Christians and patriots of the US Constitution? 
    Not true at all. Muslims are underrepresented in hate crime statistics against them, compared to other groups. It's not a big issue at all, and it's a lie that there is a huge amount of hate crimes against Muslims in the USA.

    As a matter of fact, 

    FBI: 57% of Anti-Religious Hate Crimes Targeted Jews; 16% Targeted Muslims


    http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-morris/fbi-us-jews-targeted-57-anti-religious-hate-crimes-muslims-targeted-16
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