Query failed: connection to localhost:9312 failed (errno=111, msg=Connection refused). boycot .mac - General Discussion Discussions on AppleInsider Forums Toggle navigation All Forums Recent Posts Sign In boycot .mac craig12co Posted: July 17, 2002 9:13AM in General Discussion edited January 2014 How many people are going to be turning those iTools email accounts into a Hotmail one. Charging for free e-mail, way to betray all 2.2 million iTools account members, Apple. Cause I'm betting free e-mail aint worth 100 smackers a year. «1234567»Comments Reply 1 of 137 buonrotto Posts: 6,368member July 17, 2002 9:14AM Easy enough, just let September 30 pass by without paying. Reply 2 of 137 greyisgood Posts: 53member July 17, 2002 9:15AM i'm still having problems getting the stream, but if that's what's happening, that's f*cking bullsh*t! they've definately got some balls.... first up the imac prices and now charge for a free service.... doesn't make much sense. Reply 2 of 137 ghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member July 17, 2002 9:15AM Consider how lucky you were to have it for free so long.Remember, these services cost lots of money, especially for 2+ million subscribers. Reply 4 of 137 gumby5647 Posts: 241member July 17, 2002 9:17AM heh, not much applause after .mac was demo'd......*crickets chriping* Reply 5 of 137 craig12co Posts: 106member July 17, 2002 9:21AM i understand that those services cost money. but i don't WANT them. i just want free email. Reply 6 of 137 ghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member July 17, 2002 9:25AM [quote]Originally posted by craig12co:<strong>i understand that those services cost money. but i don't WANT them. i just want free email.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, Same here. I too wish there could me subscription "tiers" so you could just get the e-mail. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Reply 7 of 137 graeme d warren Posts: 84member July 17, 2002 9:27AM Likewise, I only ever use my mac.com e-mail account, nothing else. I am not paying $49 for that - it is going to be a hassle, but I am going to have to leave mac.com behind. Can't see why they can't offer just the e-mail for free. Reply 8 of 137 buonrotto Posts: 6,368member July 17, 2002 9:34AM I agree. More pay structures would be welcome. It's typical to charge a more proportionally for fewer services, since it takes about the same amount of overhead, but I think Apple could handle it. Mac.com e-mail at least would be a good thing to keep free, or be a good thing to subscribe to on its own. It complicates the out-of-box experience this way. Reply 9 of 137 patchouli Posts: 402member July 17, 2002 10:56AM I thought there was going to be an option to purchase the additional services - for $99. To make everyone pay the premium whether they want to use them or not is a bit much. Are they offering a dialup account too for the price? I have broadband so I never really noticed. If this is the case, than that price is good for those using modems and or for those that are new to the internet. Since I have RoadRunner, I may just going to configure Mail to use that account. That is, if I don't decide to upgrade (since it will only be $49 - try it out for a year). 100MB of storage is nice - but can it be used with any FTP program? Or is it exclusive to just .mac via OS X?Also, why did he say that Hotmail was not free? Is MS charging for Hotmail now? Reply 9 of 137 screed Posts: 1,077member July 17, 2002 10:56AM There should be a large discount (or even free) for people buying new hardware from Sept. 30th on.Surely the full subscription cost from a percentage of the installed user base should cover the most of the cost of running .mac.Screed ...not an economics major... Reply 11 of 137 amorph Posts: 7,112member July 17, 2002 10:58AM [quote]Originally posted by craig12co:<strong>How many people are going to be turning those iTools email accounts into a Hotmail one.</strong><hr></blockquote>Given that Hotmail is now charging $20/month [edit: $20/year - thanks groverat! I was wondering...] according to Steve's slide, not many.So you're paying more for a Passport-linked, insecure spam magnet that (I just found out) thinks that Mozilla is "no longer supported" and that you should "upgrade" to IE 4 or Netscape 4.08. Yahoo's charging too. Free POP mail is dying. It was supported by advertizing revenues, and then those fell through the floor. Given what you're getting, the .mac price is fair. Of course if it was free it would be nicer for us, but as it is it looks good relative to the competition.Part of me is wondering whether one goal of this strategy is to pump some money into the ailing Earthlink. Apple lost a chunk of change on their Earthlink and Akamai investments last quarter, and they might be trying to buoy their partners up (among other things).[ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ][ 07-17-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p> Reply 12 of 137 torifile Posts: 4,024member July 17, 2002 11:07AM I'm really of two minds when it comes to this. On the one hand, it sucks to have to pay for something that was heretofore free. I really like all the services I get with iTools. They all were easy to use, free, etc. Now I've got to figure out what to do. For myself, it's an easy decision. For my family and significant other, who just used the email, it's a little tougher.OTOH, as kickaha noted in another post, .mac is more than just email and web-space. The infrastructure is there for some amazing, amazing things. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Apple has to offer in leveraging this technology and I'll be willing to pony up the $50 for it. Now, about those email addresses... Can I divy them up between friends and family or not? I'll have to check it out. Reply 13 of 137 jasonpp Posts: 308member July 17, 2002 11:11AM Go right ahead and boycott. My Grandparents boycotted the Internet when it came out. Reply 14 of 137 hmurchison Posts: 12,341member July 17, 2002 11:13AM Folks. Remember paying customers have a much stronger voice. Apple now has to "work" to keep your business. Just like Tipping brings better service at a restaraunt..you will be the beneficiary of "better" service. Reply 15 of 137 eman Posts: 7,204member July 17, 2002 11:32AM Yes, there should be a cost for .Mac, but Apple should've at least kept the features that iTools had free. That's ridiculous. Reply 16 of 137 groverat Posts: 10,872member July 17, 2002 11:34AM [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:<strong>Given that Hotmail is now charging $20/month according to Steve's slide, not many.</strong><hr></blockquote>$20 per year10MB e-mail storageMcAfee virus scanning Reply 17 of 137 gobble gobble Posts: 615member July 17, 2002 11:36AM Basic Hotmail and Yahoo! webmail is free but you have to suffer through advertisements and promotional emails. If you want expanded capacity and fewer advertisements you have to pay.Apple, like Hotmail and Yahoo!, should offer a basic free webmail service and charge for anything else. But then again, I expect Apple not to just equal Hotmail, but to exceed it. So far that's not happening with Apples webmail. Reply 18 of 137 murbot Posts: 5,262member July 17, 2002 11:41AM I think I have to let this sink in a little more to have a strong opinion either way...It does cost them money, that's for sure. I also know people with 5 or 10 iDisks set up - that's got to cost them alot.BUT, we already pay a pretty significant premium when we buy a Macintosh - $100 US a year for .Mac seems like a lot to me. Reply 19 of 137 onlooker Posts: 5,252member July 17, 2002 11:45AM I hate the fact that Apple is leading the way to a subscription based internet. Along with the rest of them. You can lead or follow in this world, and if you don't follow your leading. That is why Apple the guys from Real One on there first. Reply 20 of 137 trumptman Posts: 16,464member July 17, 2002 11:47AM I only used the nice pop mail provided by Apple at mac.com, however that was all I used.I really think this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Us Mac defenders have been using all the cool bundled software and services to justify the absurd hardware prices. Now Apple is charging for a .1 update ($129 too damn 10.1 to 10.2) and also charging for all the services on top of charging beyond top dollar for the hardware.Nick «1234567» Sign In or Register to comment.