If we know one thing about the 7th Century throwbacks who perform the kind of acts the San Bernardino duo carried off, we know they use technology to wage their war. Now if Apple objects to the FBI demanding iPhone access over the bankruptcy case I just heard about, I can see their point. But in a case where 2 jihadis murdered a whole slew of people on American soil, I would have to wonder who Apple would rather protect.
Good thing he's smart. Here's one guy in the tech industry who's thinking. Imagine Tim turning his back on Apple fans?
I'm happy Apple products protect their users globally.
"I'm happy Apple products protect their users (and terrorists) globally."
Fixed.
A few years ago, a Chinese telecom company was barred from selling gear to American telcos because the US government suspected backdoors in the gear that could be used by the Chinese government. So, let's presume the FBI wins, and Apple is forced to crack the dozens of iPhones that are in the queue (as has been reported in Apple court filings). That might be sufficient for China and other countries (Germany's still miffed over our spying on Angela Merkel) to question the wisdom of allowing their citizens to use iPhones. It'll be hard to quantify the economic fallout from that, but there will be one.
Meanwhile, open source bulletproof encryption software is readily available to anyone who can get on the Internet. Terrorists are already using such tools, which are distributed through their networks. And companies like Boeing, Blackberry and several startups are already shipping uncrackable phones. It'll be hard for Apple not to release a new generation of phones that cannot be cracked by anyone, in the face of what I expect will be up-front advertising of the bulletproof nature of encryption on competing phones. It doesn't make one bit of difference how helpful encryption is to terrorists, they have it, they're using it, and nobody can take it away from them. Given that truth, doesn't it make sense to allow the good people of Earth to protect themselves from hackers and overzealous governments?
Political dissidents in unfriendly countries who are allied with US interests, and persecuted classes of people (women, LGBT, etc) who are simply trying to live their lives with dignity, are already being tracked and harassed by their governments. Their ability to communicate safely is also important.
The technology is here., It can't be made to go away. We must have have thoughtful, reasoned discussions about how to live with it. The prospect of unintended consequences is too dangerous to ignore in this case.
Good thing he's smart. Here's one guy in the tech industry who's thinking. Imagine Tim turning his back on Apple fans?
I'm happy Apple products protect their users globally.
"I'm happy Apple products protect their users (and terrorists) globally."
Fixed.
And protects all the government agents from the hackers who might abscond with gov't iPhones. Agents have lost entire computers, no less. A phone is much easier to misplace.
Good thing he's smart. Here's one guy in the tech industry who's thinking. Imagine Tim turning his back on Apple fans?
I'm happy Apple products protect their users globally.
"I'm happy Apple products protect their users (and terrorists) globally."
Fixed.
It also protects dissenters, minorities, all our financial translations, our identity for identity theft, etc.
You do know what a non sequitur coupled with a straw man is dumbass, well you just did both.
A: Cell can be used by terrorist: B You're FUCKING impled conclusion: IF cell can be decrypted there will be less terrorism
Well, A doesn't go to B, you fail at logic and even rhetoric idiot.
Terrorists also use guns, use gas, and fertilizer (for explosives) to commit their crimes; anyone using a guns, gas or fertilizer supports terrorism (see how that goes), that's how you sound, dumb as that).
Oh, so your another bedwetter. How nice. I'll bet you'll keep finding new bedwetters to commiserate with going by your toddler rants.
Hey, its fine if you waant to be pro terrorist.
At least we know.
Oh, ad cry me a fucking river.
I spent time in Iraq in the Army. I got a little different perspective about these cretin than you do.
Having an opinion on our rights is has nothing to do with having served or not served in the military. However, Apple is standing up for the very rights you defend when you put that uniform on. In our rush to fight terrorism, we shouldn't trample on the freedom we are trying to protect.
In other words, we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
When Snowden blew the lid on how extensive our government was cracking into everything, the entire world and our own citizens were demanding accountability, and wanted heads delivered on silver platters. "How dare the US government violate our privacy!!!"
Well, this just shows how degenerated those people's attention span has become. Now, suddenly people like msantti think the government should be force any company to provide the ability to break into a secured system.
Tim Cook has covered two key points with ABC: the issue of balance between individuals and society, and the unforeseen consequences for American's worldwide image and position if the FBI gets its way. He is spot on.
I think most people would agree that knowing what information is on that particular iPhone would be a good thing. The allegation that it could not be done securely seems a bit of a stretch if the entire process was controlled by Apple and the unlocked phone was wiped clean with only the stored data given to the FBI. The really big issue for Apple is that China would expect the same service or else no more Apple product would be allowed in China, which would be a bad thing. To be clear I'm totally against cracking this phone or any other phone, but the assertion that it could not be cracked securely is not completely believable. I think the Feds should take up John McAfee's generous offer. I'd like to see him eat his shoe.
Oh, so your another bedwetter. How nice. I'll bet you'll keep finding new bedwetters to commiserate with going by your toddler rants.
Hey, its fine if you waant to be pro terrorist.
At least we know.
Oh, ad cry me a fucking river.
I spent time in Iraq in the Army. I got a little different perspective about these cretin than you do.
Ah. You're that special level of brainwashed then. Not just the typical American retard who gets their perspective from the television. You've had it hand delivered by the lying sack of shit government. Now, it all becomes clear.
msantti said: "I'm happy Apple products protect their users (and terrorists) globally."
Medication protects their users (and terrorists) globally from ill health.
msantti, are you going to start lobbying the drug companies to start putting toxins into their medication for the occasions the terrorists take them? After all, it's not fair that these drug companies make the terrorists better when they're out to maim others.
I think most people would agree that knowing what information is on that particular iPhone would be a good thing. The allegation that it could not be done securely seems a bit of a stretch if the entire process was controlled by Apple and the unlocked phone was wiped clean with only the stored data given to the FBI. The really big issue for Apple is that China would expect the same service or else no more Apple product would be allowed in China, which would be a bad thing. To be clear I'm totally against cracking this phone or any other phone, but the assertion that it could not be cracked securely is not completely believable. I think the Feds should take up John McAfee's generous offer. I'd like to see him eat his shoe.
The trouble is that it cannot be done "if the entire process was controlled by Apple."
The FBI is asking Apple to create a forensic tool. If the evidence gathered by it is to be used lawfully it must be independently reviewed by computer forensics experts. To be used in court it must be given to defence teams to be reviewed as well.
Zerodium paid a million dollars for a marginally effective iOS9 zero-day exploit. Can you imagine how tempting it would be for someone to keep and sell an illicit copy of a weakened iOS signed by Apple?
When Snowden blew the lid on how extensive our government was cracking into everything, the entire world and our own citizens were demanding accountability, and wanted heads delivered on silver platters. "How dare the US government violate our privacy!!!"
Well, this just shows how degenerated those people's attention span has become. Now, suddenly people like msantti think the government should be force any company to provide the ability to break into a secured system.
Un-fricken-believable.
This is the reality:
Absolutely!!!
This is a Binary Issue
1 = No Privacy for any American = No Liberty 0 = Privacy for all Apple customers = Liberty
The fact that a tech company, run by an openly gay man, is defending the personal privacy and liberty of Americans, while our "Government" is openly trying to eliminate the privacy rights of its citizens, is a staggeringly ironic development. The US government is trying to eat it's own constitution and bill of rights and shit it out.
"Wake up! - Bill Hicks "Think for yourself and question authority." Timothy Leary "Give me liberty (personal privacy) or give me death." Patrick Henry
Dig deep, think really hard and imagine every scenario by which your life can be adversely effected by all of your personal info, all of it, every instant you're alive (and newly dead) being available to anyone who wants it or has the money to buy it. If you think that through, deeply, you'd have to be insane to allow it to happen. Ask some 90 year old Germans or Russians how they feel about privacy. What bothers me the most is the generally dismissive tone and content of the debate-dialogue. As if it's no big deal to allow the FBI into a phone(s). The final outcome of this issue will have a greater impact on the future of democracy and freedom, than any other issue in the spectrum of human social organization. No. It can't be allowed.
I spent time in Iraq in the Army. I got a little different perspective about these cretin than you do.
Ah. You're that special level of brainwashed then. Not just the typical American retard who gets their perspective from the television. You've had it hand delivered by the lying sack of shit government. Now, it all becomes clear.
Shameful of you pmz to abuse the military. The military have made their sacrifices to protect your rights from Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Stalin's Soviets and despotic Arabs.
I may disagree with msantti, but, if true that he's served in Iraq with the military, then he'll always have my respect for being prepared to lay down his health or even his life for the freedoms enjoyed by the USA.
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But yeah, it would be fun to see Trump get beaten all over again in, say, 2024.
Keep American encryption strong, Apple.
Because nobody else will.
Meanwhile, open source bulletproof encryption software is readily available to anyone who can get on the Internet. Terrorists are already using such tools, which are distributed through their networks. And companies like Boeing, Blackberry and several startups are already shipping uncrackable phones. It'll be hard for Apple not to release a new generation of phones that cannot be cracked by anyone, in the face of what I expect will be up-front advertising of the bulletproof nature of encryption on competing phones. It doesn't make one bit of difference how helpful encryption is to terrorists, they have it, they're using it, and nobody can take it away from them. Given that truth, doesn't it make sense to allow the good people of Earth to protect themselves from hackers and overzealous governments?
Political dissidents in unfriendly countries who are allied with US interests, and persecuted classes of people (women, LGBT, etc) who are simply trying to live their lives with dignity, are already being tracked and harassed by their governments. Their ability to communicate safely is also important.
The technology is here., It can't be made to go away. We must have have thoughtful, reasoned discussions about how to live with it. The prospect of unintended consequences is too dangerous to ignore in this case.
You do know what a non sequitur coupled with a straw man is dumbass, well you just did both.
A: Cell can be used by terrorist:
B You're FUCKING impled conclusion: IF cell can be decrypted there will be less terrorism
Well, A doesn't go to B, you fail at logic and even rhetoric idiot.
Terrorists also use guns, use gas, and fertilizer (for explosives) to commit their crimes; anyone using a guns, gas or fertilizer supports terrorism
(see how that goes), that's how you sound, dumb as that).
In other words, we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
Being the military base idiot doesn't give you a "let's screw the American people" card.
Last time I checked, the terrorists didn't use iPhones or encryption when the Sept. 11 attacks occurred. See how well that worked?
Un-fricken-believable.
This is the reality:
msantti, are you going to start lobbying the drug companies to start putting toxins into their medication for the occasions the terrorists take them?
After all, it's not fair that these drug companies make the terrorists better when they're out to maim others.
The FBI is asking Apple to create a forensic tool. If the evidence gathered by it is to be used lawfully it must be independently reviewed by computer forensics experts. To be used in court it must be given to defence teams to be reviewed as well.
Zerodium paid a million dollars for a marginally effective iOS9 zero-day exploit. Can you imagine how tempting it would be for someone to keep and sell an illicit copy of a weakened iOS signed by Apple?
This is a Binary Issue
1 = No Privacy for any American = No Liberty
0 = Privacy for all Apple customers = Liberty
The fact that a tech company, run by an openly gay man, is defending the personal privacy and liberty of Americans, while our "Government" is openly trying to eliminate the privacy rights of its citizens, is a staggeringly ironic development. The US government is trying to eat it's own constitution and bill of rights and shit it out.
"Wake up! - Bill Hicks
"Think for yourself and question authority." Timothy Leary
"Give me liberty (personal privacy) or give me death." Patrick Henry
Dig deep, think really hard and imagine every scenario by which your life can be adversely effected by all of your personal info, all of it, every instant you're alive (and newly dead) being available to anyone who wants it or has the money to buy it. If you think that through, deeply, you'd have to be insane to allow it to happen. Ask some 90 year old Germans or Russians how they feel about privacy. What bothers me the most is the generally dismissive tone and content of the debate-dialogue. As if it's no big deal to allow the FBI into a phone(s). The final outcome of this issue will have a greater impact on the future of democracy and freedom, than any other issue in the spectrum of human social organization. No. It can't be allowed.
I may disagree with msantti, but, if true that he's served in Iraq with the military, then he'll always have my respect for being prepared to lay down his health or even his life for the freedoms enjoyed by the USA.