No politican seems to have enough guts to stop terrorism long term. The iPhone issue, regardless of how it is resolved is not going to stop or prevent terrorism. No a single political : #1. can explain why we are being terrorized in th first place
Well, that is disputable. I am not saying you have to agree with terrorists but in order to understand them you need to be able to look at the situation from the their pov. There is much history involved and to simply state that the people attacking us are criminals is unhelpful and untrue. US foreign policy over the last 50 years may explain a lot. I believe the first step to prevent terrorism long term is to understand what drives it. When, and and as the result of what, has religious fundamentalism sprung up in the past and what can be done to prevent such situations to re-occur?
I remember after the 911 attack, George Bush was asked "Why were we attacked?" His answer was "Because there are some people out there that don't like freedom." I still don't understand this.. why would people commit suicide because they don't like freedom?
I think its important for people to value their privacy and liberty, first and foremost. One day they may find we have a different government than we do now run by a guy named Heart, Spade, or whatever their is name that is completely a control freak and convinces people to give them absolute power over the military and all personal electronic communication to keep an eye out of unrest from within. Some, people forget what happened recently in the Ukraine. One day your government is on your side, the next day they are shooting your citizens in the streets for protests and labeling citizens terrorists, and the day after that those "terrorists" are over throwing the corrupt government and risking their lives to give the country back to its citizens and setting up a new leader. How would this work if people's ability to communicate openly amongst themselves as peers work if common forms of communication was being intercepted by the government. People assume the the majority Germany citizens favored the Nazi's. That wasn't the case actually, it was about who had political power and access to the military and a control freak taking charge. Likewise people assume the majority of Russian and Chinese citizens favor the current governments. Likewise, this is false. The majority of Russian and Chinese citizens already talk and write in "code" to each other about their government and things they don't want the government to know about their own beliefs. If we take this privacy and liberty away from US citizens and we may setup the making of another dictatorship. Protect the country you love and don't forget its for the people, by the people.. not politicians who gain power through hatred, fear (terrorism) and fascism. I fear it may happen here. No offense to my GOP peers, but some of these guys scare me big time in how much control they want to have our others. It could happen. Now is not the time to be giving out privacy and liberty. this is our insurance policy in case Trump wins (or someone like him) and he turns out to be the next Hilter. Not saying he will, but just in case.
What scares me is the people that look up to these candidates in admiration and believe whatever they say. If the uninformed people don't know any better, they will agree. Those that are informed, instantly smell the BS they're spouting. Ted Cruz says "we need the calls, texts, emails" to see who they talked to..... well the calls and texts can be obtained by the cellular service provider DUHHHHHHH. Invalid reason (email not sure about). Then he cleverly says "FBI didn't ask for a back door to all iPhones"; yes the FBI did not write those words in the request, yet that's the consequence of the request. Therefore, Cruz isn't lying but cleverly misleading.
Marco Rubio says Apple doesn't want to hurt their brand. That's one reason, yes, but it's not the whole truth. It'll hurt their "strong security" brand. It'll also undermine their customer's security and create a HUGE target for criminals who want to copy the "hack" method invented by Apple for that one phone; a giant bounty for that "hack" would mean SOMEBODY is bound to get their hands on that method and use it to exploit others' iPhones (China wants it, Russia wants it, black market hackers want it, list goes on and on). FBI can't even protect its own system from hackers and they guarantee the hack software's safety in their hands? Not likely. Ben Carson just says broad, unspecific statements. "Terrorist are bad. I believe we should stop them, mmmkay"
Well, that is disputable. I am not saying you have to agree with terrorists but in order to understand them you need to be able to look at the situation from the their pov. There is much history involved and to simply state that the people attacking us are criminals is unhelpful and untrue. US foreign policy over the last 50 years may explain a lot. I believe the first step to prevent terrorism long term is to understand what drives it. When, and and as the result of what, has religious fundamentalism sprung up in the past and what can be done to prevent such situations to re-occur?
I remember after the 911 attack, George Bush was asked "Why were we attacked?" His answer was "Because there are some people out there that don't like freedom." I still don't understand this.. why would people commit suicide because they don't like freedom?
I think its important for people to value their privacy and liberty, first and foremost. One day they may find we have a different government than we do now run by a guy named Heart, Spade, or whatever their is name that is completely a control freak and convinces people to give them absolute power over the military and all personal electronic communication to keep an eye out of unrest from within. Some, people forget what happened recently in the Ukraine. One day your government is on your side, the next day they are shooting your citizens in the streets for protests and labeling citizens terrorists, and the day after that those "terrorists" are over throwing the corrupt government and risking their lives to give the country back to its citizens and setting up a new leader. How would this work if people's ability to communicate openly amongst themselves as peers work if common forms of communication was being intercepted by the government. People assume the the majority Germany citizens favored the Nazi's. That wasn't the case actually, it was about who had political power and access to the military and a control freak taking charge. Likewise people assume the majority of Russian and Chinese citizens favor the current governments. Likewise, this is false. The majority of Russian and Chinese citizens already talk and write in "code" to each other about their government and things they don't want the government to know about their own beliefs. If we take this privacy and liberty away from US citizens and we may setup the making of another dictatorship. Protect the country you love and don't forget its for the people, by the people.. not politicians who gain power through hatred, fear (terrorism) and fascism. I fear it may happen here. No offense to my GOP peers, but some of these guys scare me big time in how much control they want to have our others. It could happen. Now is not the time to be giving out privacy and liberty. this is our insurance policy in case Trump wins (or someone like him) and he turns out to be the next Hilter. Not saying he will, but just in case.
US policies (which have been interventionist for many decades) have given rise to people who only know the US as invading forces and meddlers in their local politics.
I remember after the 911 attack, George Bush was asked "Why were we attacked?" His answer was "Because there are some people out there that don't like freedom." I still don't understand this.. why would people commit suicide because they don't like freedom?
I think its important for people to value their privacy and liberty, first and foremost. One day they may find we have a different government than we do now run by a guy named Heart, Spade, or whatever their is name that is completely a control freak and convinces people to give them absolute power over the military and all personal electronic communication to keep an eye out of unrest from within. Some, people forget what happened recently in the Ukraine. One day your government is on your side, the next day they are shooting your citizens in the streets for protests and labeling citizens terrorists, and the day after that those "terrorists" are over throwing the corrupt government and risking their lives to give the country back to its citizens and setting up a new leader. How would this work if people's ability to communicate openly amongst themselves as peers work if common forms of communication was being intercepted by the government. People assume the the majority Germany citizens favored the Nazi's. That wasn't the case actually, it was about who had political power and access to the military and a control freak taking charge. Likewise people assume the majority of Russian and Chinese citizens favor the current governments. Likewise, this is false. The majority of Russian and Chinese citizens already talk and write in "code" to each other about their government and things they don't want the government to know about their own beliefs. If we take this privacy and liberty away from US citizens and we may setup the making of another dictatorship. Protect the country you love and don't forget its for the people, by the people.. not politicians who gain power through hatred, fear (terrorism) and fascism. I fear it may happen here. No offense to my GOP peers, but some of these guys scare me big time in how much control they want to have our others. It could happen. Now is not the time to be giving out privacy and liberty. this is our insurance policy in case Trump wins (or someone like him) and he turns out to be the next Hilter. Not saying he will, but just in case.
US policies (which have been interventionist for many decades) have given rise to people who only know the US as invading forces and meddlers in their local politics.
thanks that was an interesting read. I did some quick searches and I found this video which seems to align what you have provided and what other posters have said:
Oh, but I thought Republicans were ostensibly against big government overreach?
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No politician with ties to the military-industrial complex is against big government. Even Bernie Sanders voted to go to war, so draw your own conclusions.
Oh, but I thought Republicans were ostensibly against big government overreach?
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No politician with ties to the military-industrial complex is against big government. Even Bernie Sanders voted to go to war, so draw your own conclusions.
Bernie is practically THE ONLY ONE who didn't vote to go to war in Iraq you are incorrect.
He also happens to be the only candidate fighting to overturn Citizen's United and get the corrupt lobbyist money out of Washington.
Rubio sure did a 180 of this point, wow. They all need to take a better look at the latest polls before they open their mouth.
No...that's the problem. The problem is everything they say is based upon polls instead of a consistent theory of Government and approach to the Constitution. That's why they constantly reverse themselves.
How would each of the candidates react if the CIA or FBI asked to search each of their phones?
Unreal how ignorant these guys are about technology and the constitution.
You are the ignorant one. This is a matter that all candidates agree must be resolved by courts, or by legislation. There is nothing in the constitution that even references this sort of thing, the vast majority of Americans understand that and support the FBI on this matter. Apple is only being asked to allow the FBI to log into one phone, a phone that was used by a mass murderer, end of story. Your telephone conversations with your girlfriend are still going to be private.
It's not one phone - it's now 9 or 10 phones. Then on top of that, one of the NYC DA's wants Apple to break into another 175 phones because supposedly, the only way they can prove their cases is by what's on the phone (as if there's no other evidence). And it's more than asking Apple to break the encryption - it's asking Apple to create a whole new operating system in order to break the encryption, something which doesn't exist today. Why should Apple be compelled to create anything? Once Apple provides this, the Government can gain access to any phone that they have physical possession of. And if the Government can do that, it won't be long before hackers can do it as well.
There's plenty in the constitution about this in terms of rights to privacy and against self-incrimination.
The Government wants unlimited power in terms of accessing all electronic data and devices. I don't remember either the Constitution or legislation granting them that. And this is under a relatively liberal Democratic administration. Wait until the Republicans are fully back in power - it's going to be much worse.
You are the ignorant one. This is a matter that all candidates agree must be resolved by courts, or by legislation. There is nothing in the constitution that even references this sort of thing, the vast majority of Americans understand that and support the FBI on this matter. Apple is only being asked to allow the FBI to log into one phone, a phone that was used by a mass murderer, end of story. Your telephone conversations with your girlfriend are still going to be private.
It's not one phone - it's now 9 or 10 phones. Then on top of that, one of the NYC DA's wants Apple to break into another 175 phones because supposedly, the only way they can prove their cases is by what's on the phone (as if there's no other evidence). And it's more than asking Apple to break the encryption - it's asking Apple to create a whole new operating system in order to break the encryption, something which doesn't exist today. Why should Apple be compelled to create anything? Once Apple provides this, the Government can gain access to any phone that they have physical possession of. And if the Government can do that, it won't be long before hackers can do it as well.
There's plenty in the constitution about this in terms of rights to privacy and against self-incrimination.
The Government wants unlimited power in terms of accessing all electronic data and devices. I don't remember either the Constitution or legislation granting them that. And this is under a relatively liberal Democratic administration. Wait until the Republicans are fully back in power - it's going to be much worse.
Correction: The things that are currently terrible may change.
The Government wants unlimited power in terms of accessing all electronic data and devices. I don't remember either the Constitution or legislation granting them that. And this is under a relatively liberal Democratic administration. Wait until the Republicans are fully back in power - it's going to be much worse.
What has caused your brain to break such that you have this backward? RINOs and DINOs aren’t conservatives.
Perhaps most surprising was Rubio's response, given that the senator from Florida had previously said that the complex issue required thoughtful debate. But on Thursday, he took a more hardline approach against Apple.
"Apple doesn't want to do it, because they think it hurts their brand," Rubio said. "Well let me tell you, their brand is not superior to the national security of the United States of America."
Which is superior?
The constitution allowing a right to privacy or lazy law enforcement agencies hellbent on trampling those rights?
Most of the information is available from the carrier who provided the phone services.
Republicans, stupid representatives of stupid voters.
Unreal how ignorant these guys are about technology and the constitution.
You are the ignorant one. This is a matter that all candidates agree must be resolved by courts, or by legislation. There is nothing in the constitution that even references this sort of thing, the vast majority of Americans understand that and support the FBI on this matter. Apple is only being asked to allow the FBI to log into one phone, a phone that was used by a mass murderer, end of story. Your telephone conversations with your girlfriend are still going to be private.
All information readily available from the phone network that provided the service.
It's difficult to call this event a terrorist attack when sn employee attacked his coworkers. It the attackers were white Americans it would not have been called a terrorist attack and wouldn't even be discussed anymore. There's a lot of paranoid people in the US and the republican candidates are using it to stoke the fires. As for the commenters on this forum who refuse to understand this, quit following the lead sheep, educate yourself on what's going on and realize how anti-American our government has become in the last two decades.
Please. McVeigh was a terrorist. The church shooter in SC was a terrorist. This was a terrorist event masquerading as workplace violence.
Terrorist have a message. They carry out a small attack on a large entity, and they don't normally kill people they know. These were misguided people with no real direction.
It's highly doubtful that there's anything on this phone at all. That is just plain common sense. The terrorists completely destroyed 2 other personal phones and a hard drive has disappeared I believe.
But one work iPhone that wasn't even owned by the terrorists is supposed to have anything valuable on it? Doubtful. Why would they not destroy the iPhone, like they had done to the other phones?
I still think that the entity that comes off looking the worst in this whole situation is the FBI and the current admin, because they chose to go out and make it public, admitting that they're clueless, that they're incompetent and that they are unable to unlock iPhones.
I certainly don't trust the govt at all when it comes to anything that might be related to encryption and internet security.
of course there is nothing in the work phone. Only an idiot would use a work phone to plan a terrorist attack and risk getting busted. Plus, we all know that the metadata of all the calls and messages is all you need and the FBI found absolutely nothing there. FBI and DoJ are using this to ensnare and enslave Apple. There is really no shame in the government.
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I think its important for people to value their privacy and liberty, first and foremost. One day they may find we have a different government than we do now run by a guy named Heart, Spade, or whatever their is name that is completely a control freak and convinces people to give them absolute power over the military and all personal electronic communication to keep an eye out of unrest from within. Some, people forget what happened recently in the Ukraine. One day your government is on your side, the next day they are shooting your citizens in the streets for protests and labeling citizens terrorists, and the day after that those "terrorists" are over throwing the corrupt government and risking their lives to give the country back to its citizens and setting up a new leader. How would this work if people's ability to communicate openly amongst themselves as peers work if common forms of communication was being intercepted by the government. People assume the the majority Germany citizens favored the Nazi's. That wasn't the case actually, it was about who had political power and access to the military and a control freak taking charge. Likewise people assume the majority of Russian and Chinese citizens favor the current governments. Likewise, this is false. The majority of Russian and Chinese citizens already talk and write in "code" to each other about their government and things they don't want the government to know about their own beliefs. If we take this privacy and liberty away from US citizens and we may setup the making of another dictatorship.
Protect the country you love and don't forget its for the people, by the people.. not politicians who gain power through hatred, fear (terrorism) and fascism. I fear it may happen here. No offense to my GOP peers, but some of these guys scare me big time in how much control they want to have our others. It could happen. Now is not the time to be giving out privacy and liberty. this is our insurance policy in case Trump wins (or someone like him) and he turns out to be the next Hilter. Not saying he will, but just in case.
Ted Cruz says "we need the calls, texts, emails" to see who they talked to..... well the calls and texts can be obtained by the cellular service provider DUHHHHHHH. Invalid reason (email not sure about). Then he cleverly says "FBI didn't ask for a back door to all iPhones"; yes the FBI did not write those words in the request, yet that's the consequence of the request. Therefore, Cruz isn't lying but cleverly misleading.
Marco Rubio says Apple doesn't want to hurt their brand. That's one reason, yes, but it's not the whole truth. It'll hurt their "strong security" brand. It'll also undermine their customer's security and create a HUGE target for criminals who want to copy the "hack" method invented by Apple for that one phone; a giant bounty for that "hack" would mean SOMEBODY is bound to get their hands on that method and use it to exploit others' iPhones (China wants it, Russia wants it, black market hackers want it, list goes on and on). FBI can't even protect its own system from hackers and they guarantee the hack software's safety in their hands? Not likely.
Ben Carson just says broad, unspecific statements. "Terrorist are bad. I believe we should stop them, mmmkay"
US policies (which have been interventionist for many decades) have given rise to people who only know the US as invading forces and meddlers in their local politics.
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He also happens to be the only candidate fighting to overturn Citizen's United and get the corrupt lobbyist money out of Washington.
At least with these Republican candidates we can clearly see they are wrong!
How would each of the candidates react if the CIA or FBI asked to search each of their phones?
There's plenty in the constitution about this in terms of rights to privacy and against self-incrimination.
The Government wants unlimited power in terms of accessing all electronic data and devices. I don't remember either the Constitution or legislation granting them that. And this is under a relatively liberal Democratic administration. Wait until the Republicans are fully back in power - it's going to be much worse.
Which is superior?
The constitution allowing a right to privacy or lazy law enforcement agencies hellbent on trampling those rights?
Most of the information is available from the carrier who provided the phone services.
Republicans, stupid representatives of stupid voters.
All information readily available from the phone network that provided the service.