OLED is a superior display technology. I can't wait for the technology to be introduced to the iPhone and then to the rest of Apple's line.
OLED will allow for unique designs that will never be duplicated by conventional LCD technology. OLED consumes less power overall. Yes, a white background can potentially consume more power than LCD, but Apple will likely include an option that will allow the use of a black background.
Apple needs to lock up the supply of OLED panels from LG and Samsung and deprive the likes of Huawei and Xiaomi access to them. With the best processor on the market with the best display and the best OS, the lost price Android manufacturers in China will have a difficult time competing. Even if Samsung and LG survive as the only alternative handset manufacturers to Apple, that would be all right.
Now, if Apple would source their cameras and sensors from LG or Samsung and dump Sony, they would have the best mobile device on the market in nearly every category.
So, let me ask this - what is the background on this website or many/most other websites? Or the background on your emails, spreadsheets, word documents?
Sure, a black background can be fine when working late at night and you don't want the brightness of all white backgrounds, and making the change is not a technical challenge, but thinking the shift from white to black will be just a matter of flipping a switch and all is good is about as far from reality as possible. We have more than a century of printed documents being black ink on a white (or cream) background, and there is no way we're all going to be fine with switching to white text on a black background, just because a particular screen technology works better / is more efficient having it be that way. It's one thing with a television screen where the average on-screen images are going to vary between lights and dark constantly, but computer screens in particular will require significant power use to keep more whites of the OLED lit up.
Should iPhones have their battery life assessed when they are 2 years old - one year away from the three year average use-span Apple expects of iPhones and Watches?
Here is my 6 years of daily use OLED screened phone - taken a few minutes ago:
I don't think there is a serious longevity issue, particularly considering there have probably been about 7-8 generations in OLED improvements by Samsung since this one was made.
You are aware that color balance is what ericthehalfbee is speaking of, and that you have taken an uncalibrated picture, of the uncalibrated screen of your phone, and posted that image for people that, for the most part, can't or don't calibrate their screens. What are the odds that you made your point?
Yes, OLED's have some excellent properties, especially blacks, but Apple has taken pains to calibrate the LCD screens on all of their devices, especially the new iPad Pro, and I would find it unfortunate if the fading of the primary colors of the OLED would cause a screen to have substantially incorrect color balance after a "reasonable" period of time; a couple of years would be my minimum case.
For professional workflow, and yes, people do use their iPhones and iPads to capture and edit media, lack of color correct screens has a huge impact on a workflow. Maybe Apple figures that OLED's are far enough along that they can deal with OLED limitations for the 7s cycle. But "color" me wary at this point in time.
He is absolutely 100% aware of what I was talking about. All trolls understand what you're talking about, but continue to post bullshit anyway.
The first dozen or so references in that snippet are more than 5 years old. Time has not stood still.
Spot on. In fact, the 2008 testing which noted the fading in the blue emissions - which is the only reasonably scientific testing I have ever found reference to - was in fact done on the first OLED TV made by SONY - which was a whopping 11" model and still cost a bomb. It was more an experimental beta device and very first gen. So the folklore on the internet about blues fading is based on testing of a first gen product 8 years ago. Given 7-8 generations, maybe more, of OLED panel development, it is completely meaningless.
Should iPhones have their battery life assessed when they are 2 years old - one year away from the three year average use-span Apple expects of iPhones and Watches?
Here is my 6 years of daily use OLED screened phone - taken a few minutes ago:
I don't think there is a serious longevity issue, particularly considering there have probably been about 7-8 generations in OLED improvements by Samsung since this one was made.
You are aware that color balance is what ericthehalfbee is speaking of, and that you have taken an uncalibrated picture, of the uncalibrated screen of your phone, and posted that image for people that, for the most part, can't or don't calibrate their screens. What are the odds that you made your point?
Yes, OLED's have some excellent properties, especially blacks, but Apple has taken pains to calibrate the LCD screens on all of their devices, especially the new iPad Pro, and I would find it unfortunate if the fading of the primary colors of the OLED would cause a screen to have substantially incorrect color balance after a "reasonable" period of time; a couple of years would be my minimum case.
For professional workflow, and yes, people do use their iPhones and iPads to capture and edit media, lack of color correct screens has a huge impact on a workflow. Maybe Apple figures that OLED's are far enough along that they can deal with OLED limitations for the 7s cycle. But "color" me wary at this point in time.
I am aware that ericthehalfbee said nothing whatsoever about colour balance, he said 'degradation'. How do you know the photo is uncalibrated? (in case you are interested, it was shot with an Olympus E-M1, in RAW with Adobe RGB profile with daylight white balance and was cropped, downsized and converted to JPG on MBPR using Preview.)
The purpose of my photo was to show that the display is still perfectly usable and shows no meaningful degradation. I am also aware that the display on my phone is nowhere near as well calibrated as a current gen S6 or S7 display is. I would say the odds I made my point are actually very good. Would you like to make the claim the display on a iPhone 4 - which is the equivalent age Apple device - is as well calibrated as an 6S Plus?
Could you provide links to show that there are working professional photographers who use a phone-based workflow, as I don't believe they would except for relatively trivial usage. I am surprised you would bring that up because the Samsung S6 and S7 displays seem better calibrated than an iPhone 6S Plus according to Anandtech's measurements, so mobile workflow pro photographers should be choosing them, shouldn't they?
I don't see any black as gray on my Macs, iPads and iPhones, nor on my LED TVs. Blacks are duly black. You say the opposite and claim that blacks are displayed as gray on LCD. Nothing to discuss about, we cannot come to an agreement.
There is nothing to discuss, it's true and common knowledge. Open a full screen black image on your iPhone, iPad or iMac and turn the lights off. In complete dark you will see the screen, and that's because it's not black but grey. Do the same on the Apple Watch and you can't see the display. Even if part of it contains text you won't see the edges. OLED blacks are real blacks.
There is nothing to discuss, it's true and common knowledge. Open a full screen black image on your iPhone, iPad or iMac and turn the lights off. In complete dark you will see the screen, and that's because it's not black but grey. Do the same on the Apple Watch and you can't see the display. Even if part of it contains text you won't see the edges. OLED blacks are real blacks.
OLED whites are not whites.
That's why you can't buy super expensive large OLED paneled TV's from LG or Samsung; but then again, maybe you are wrong and you can.
My Olympus E-M5 had an OLED rear display and it was glorious. Whites were white. You haven't a clue.
That's why you can't buy super expensive large OLED paneled TV's from LG or Samsung; but then again, maybe you are wrong and you can.
My Olympus E-M5 had an OLED rear display and it was glorious. Whites were white. You haven't a clue.
The problem with whites in oled is not what color they are but how much energy they consume. White oled consumes more energy than white LCD. Apple's use of oled in Apple Watch can only confirm that: All Apple Watch interface is white on black background.
Not too fond of he iPhone 4-5 glass back. But turning an iPhone 6 around to make the front act as a back feels pretty nice. The back glass doesn't have to have the same optical specs as the front, so it could probably be more robust. E-ink under that back glass would be nice.
These tests are almost meaningless as they are always done on brand-new devices. They should test them after 1 or 2 years to see if they still perform as well (since this is the one area where AMOLED can have issues - degradation over time).
I don't care if Apple switches to OLED or keeps using IPS. If they switch I'm sure it'll happen because the technology has matured enough that Apple feels it will meet their needs.
Here is my 6 years of daily use OLED screened phone - taken a few minutes ago:
I don't think there is a serious longevity issue, particularly considering there have probably been about 7-8 generations in OLED improvements by Samsung since this one was made.
That screen shifts to blue, probably more than a high white point would require. I trust in your camera since the background is true gray.
The reason of that blue shift is that they make the blue pixel bigger as the blue substrate is the one which degrades the fastest. That means a continuous calibration issue. As your own photo shows...
In LCD there is no such an inherent calibration issue since all pixels are the same size.
That's why you can't buy super expensive large OLED paneled TV's from LG or Samsung; but then again, maybe you are wrong and you can.
My Olympus E-M5 had an OLED rear display and it was glorious. Whites were white. You haven't a clue.
The problem with whites in oled is not what color they are but how much energy they consume. White oled consumes more energy than white LCD. Apple's use of oled in Apple Watch can only confirm that: All Apple Watch interface is white on black background.
This is why iPhone SE easily beats Galaxy S7 in battery life. Thirteen hours compared to only ten hours.
Here is my 6 years of daily use OLED screened phone - taken a few minutes ago:
I don't think there is a serious longevity issue, particularly considering there have probably been about 7-8 generations in OLED improvements by Samsung since this one was made.
That screen shifts to blue, probably more than a high white point would require. I trust in your camera since the background is true gray.
It's unlikely that screen was ever calibrated. But you proved his point, most AMOLED haters think the blue pixels die within a year.
Could you provide links to show that there are working professional photographers who use a phone-based workflow, as I don't believe they would except for relatively trivial usage. I am surprised you would bring that up because the Samsung S6 and S7 displays seem better calibrated than an iPhone 6S Plus according to Anandtech's measurements, so mobile workflow pro photographers should be choosing them, shouldn't they?
Except for one person, it doesn't appear to be consistent phone-only workflow. You are giving up a lot by sticking with a little screen and no permanent tactile keyboard.
I was, too, but you have to read the whole article, which concludes by saying "Kuo has a proven track record in predicting Apple's future product plans..." and then notes a prediction he got correct. I don't think it's permissible to cite the guy without including language to hype his reputation. Noting something that he got right is only confirmation bias. A stopped clock is right twice per day. You could point at that and say the clock has a consistent, proven track record. You could even favorably compare the stopped clock to one that actually works perfectly, but is set three seconds fast. The stopped clock is right twice a day, while the other clock is technically never correct. Think about it. Maybe Kuo's all that, and maybe he isn't. It does seem that the requisite hype is probably more consistent that Kuo is himself.
It's unlikely that screen was ever calibrated. But you proved his point, most AMOLED haters think the blue pixels die within a year.
So if OLED is such a great technology why has Samsung stopped making OLED TV's?
In fact the only company making OLED TV's is LG which uses a different tech than Samsung.
If OLED is the holy grail as you claim why is there only ONE manufacter who makes OLED TV's?????
Cost. Plasma is also superior to LCD for TV in terms of quality but it lost out due to cost. But if you're a connesiour of high quality images of would chose Plasma.
It's unlikely that screen was ever calibrated. But you proved his point, most AMOLED haters think the blue pixels die within a year.
No it does not, because they make it bigger :-)))
So if blue pixels are an even larger percentage of the screen area the obvious lack of them would be quite noticeable. A screen where blue pixels die first is going to shift to the warm side.
So if blue pixels are an even larger percentage of the screen area the obvious lack of them would be quite noticeable. A screen where blue pixels die first is going to shift to the warm side.
I get that. I just want to point to a continuous calibration issue as the blue component degrades. On that phone the blue component may not have degraded as expected so a default calibration might have shifted the display to blue, in a similar phone that shift may go warmer etc... That just means you cannot control the degradation by calibration since you cannot predict the degree of degradation of each individual display...
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Sure, a black background can be fine when working late at night and you don't want the brightness of all white backgrounds, and making the change is not a technical challenge, but thinking the shift from white to black will be just a matter of flipping a switch and all is good is about as far from reality as possible. We have more than a century of printed documents being black ink on a white (or cream) background, and there is no way we're all going to be fine with switching to white text on a black background, just because a particular screen technology works better / is more efficient having it be that way. It's one thing with a television screen where the average on-screen images are going to vary between lights and dark constantly, but computer screens in particular will require significant power use to keep more whites of the OLED lit up.
He is absolutely 100% aware of what I was talking about. All trolls understand what you're talking about, but continue to post bullshit anyway.
Spot on. In fact, the 2008 testing which noted the fading in the blue emissions - which is the only reasonably scientific testing I have ever found reference to - was in fact done on the first OLED TV made by SONY - which was a whopping 11" model and still cost a bomb. It was more an experimental beta device and very first gen. So the folklore on the internet about blues fading is based on testing of a first gen product 8 years ago. Given 7-8 generations, maybe more, of OLED panel development, it is completely meaningless.
I am aware that ericthehalfbee said nothing whatsoever about colour balance, he said 'degradation'. How do you know the photo is uncalibrated? (in case you are interested, it was shot with an Olympus E-M1, in RAW with Adobe RGB profile with daylight white balance and was cropped, downsized and converted to JPG on MBPR using Preview.)
The purpose of my photo was to show that the display is still perfectly usable and shows no meaningful degradation. I am also aware that the display on my phone is nowhere near as well calibrated as a current gen S6 or S7 display is. I would say the odds I made my point are actually very good. Would you like to make the claim the display on a iPhone 4 - which is the equivalent age Apple device - is as well calibrated as an 6S Plus?
Could you provide links to show that there are working professional photographers who use a phone-based workflow, as I don't believe they would except for relatively trivial usage. I am surprised you would bring that up because the Samsung S6 and S7 displays seem better calibrated than an iPhone 6S Plus according to Anandtech's measurements, so mobile workflow pro photographers should be choosing them, shouldn't they?
OLED whites are not whites.
My Olympus E-M5 had an OLED rear display and it was glorious. Whites were white. You haven't a clue.
The reason of that blue shift is that they make the blue pixel bigger as the blue substrate is the one which degrades the fastest. That means a continuous calibration issue. As your own photo shows...
In LCD there is no such an inherent calibration issue since all pixels are the same size.
http://www.bonappetit.com/people/shameless-plugs/article/march-culture-issue-iphone
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/one-iphone-photographers-workflow/
http://www.cnet.com/news/pro-photographer-iphone-julian-calverley-interview/
Except for one person, it doesn't appear to be consistent phone-only workflow. You are giving up a lot by sticking with a little screen and no permanent tactile keyboard.
And why does LG's flagship TV use OLED? Great, no one said Apple was going to use Samsung OLEDs.