That this wasn't happening at WWDC was obvious since it makes a LOT more sense to release something like this when they release the redesigned Macbook Pro this fall. Why release an accessory that basically requires a system not yet released?
Ugg. What was the point of inventing Thunderbolt? They took away firewire, and told us about all these amazing things it could do. Then shipped nothing but boxes that charge you $200 for a SATA port.
Thunderbolt can do a lot of really cool things. You can even buy an external PCI-Express expansion box, which would let you do pretty much anything. I was super stoked when TB came out. Unfortunately, the price for pretty much everything TB is just too high for any of it to matter, and it seems intrinsic to the technology itself (even the cables need fancy circuitry in them).
The problem lies in it's integration with Intel Only.
durandal_1707 said: You can even buy an external PCI-Express expansion box, which would let you do pretty much anything.
But such a box costs more than an entire Windows PC with the same ports! Meanwhile OS X has deteriorated horribly. It is no longer any easier to use or more reliable than Windows. Apple has either forgotten that the Finder exists or seems to want to eliminate it. They are actively fighting against usability. (Try reading a USB memory stick on iOS.) It's like those old Mac Bashers are running the company now.
What on earth are you talking about? OS X is much more reliable and easier to use than Windows. What a memory stick & iOS have to do with that I don't know. I doubt you do, either.
Another tweet from Rene says to expect a software focused WWDC. I can only imagine the uproar if Apple doesn't announce any new Macs at WWDC. Either Apple's throwing that out there to throw us off and create a surprise or there's going to be a lot of disappointed people. I know WWDC is a developers conference and should be mostly about software but many of those developers use Macs and a lot of Apple's Mac hardware is out of date at this point.
what sort of problems are your hypothetical devs having? I'm still developing on a 2011 iMac loaded with SSD, ram, and vram and it's pretty speedy. My 2014 rMBP is even faster. And if I had a Pro I could toss more cores at it than I could afford.
GPU heat seems a main cause of my macbook fan overdrive episodes, so I for one would applaud at least the option of this, as well as adding multiple monitors...
Seems like this always happens...Day 1, rumors says this, Day 2, new rumor denies rumor from Day 1. Day 5, new rumor comes back out with something slightly different on the same topic.
Yes day five will be "5k Thunderbolt Display with internalize GPU delayed till July"
Though speculation and rumors have been mounting that Apple could introduce a new high-resolution Thunderbolt Display with its own discrete graphics card, a new report pours cold water on those hopes, saying such a device will not be seen at this month's Worldwide Developers Conference -- if ever.
Citing unnamed sources, iMore reported on Thursday that a Thunderbolt-connected monitor with Retina 5K display is "not happening at the keynote or any time in the immediate future." The report did, however, tease that "lots of other amazingly cool stuff" will be unveiled at Apple's June 13 presentation.
The rumblings directly refute an earlier report which suggested Apple could be preparing a Thunderbolt Retina 5K display with its own integrated graphics card. Putting a GPU in the display itself could theoretically ensure that all Macs would be capable of driving the pixels necessary for an ultra-high-resolution screen.
As an extremely niche product in Apple's lineup, the company has shown little interest in its standalone display in recent years. Inventory stockouts have happened repeatedly over the years, helping to create speculation that an update could be forthcoming, but that has yet to happen.
In fact, Apple itself sells alternative displays, like the 4K IGZO Sharp LED monitor, for Mac customers looking for a high-resolution external display.
Thunderbolt technology does allow enough bandwidth for external graphics cards, which some Windows PC makers have taken advantage of, turning portable laptops into gaming powerhouses when docked. Some enthusiasts have even made unofficial workarounds for external GPUs on the Mac, but doing so requires nontrivial hacking and the result is buggy.
With a new Thunderbolt Display apparently off the table, new hardware is not expected at WWDC, where Apple is instead set to focus on the future of iOS and OS X. It's also likely that future updates to tvOS and watchOS will be unveiled at the software-focused conference.
iMore? Isn't that site pure ads with the occasional snippet of text that they call news?
iMore has more quality Apple content than 99% of Apple centric sites out there. Instead of regurgitating rumors and news, they actually have in depth articles and tutorials on Apple services, software, and products- the best I've seen. Also, Renee Ritchie's reviews are insanely details and thorough. I've learned more useful Apple knowledge from that site than maybe anywhere else So, I respectfully disagree.
Picture a PC user. He has an $800 box, so it has free sATA ports and PCI slots. And imagine he also has a thunderbolt port. Name one thunderbolt product he'd WANT, given the alternatives he could use.
Picture a PC user. He has an $800 box, so it has free sATA ports and PCI slots. And imagine he also has a thunderbolt port. Name one thunderbolt product he'd WANT, given the alternatives he could use.
You have a point there, though I fail to see why it's relevant.
Now: Picture that PC user owning a laptop, as the majority of computer owners do.
durandal_1707 said: You can even buy an external PCI-Express expansion box, which would let you do pretty much anything.
But such a box costs more than an entire Windows PC with the same ports! Meanwhile OS X has deteriorated horribly. It is no longer any easier to use or more reliable than Windows. Apple has either forgotten that the Finder exists or seems to want to eliminate it. They are actively fighting against usability. (Try reading a USB memory stick on iOS.) It's like those old Mac Bashers are running the company now.
Yes...I hate OS X because I can't read a memory stick on iOS I also hate Windows 10 on the PC because there are no apps available on Windows Phone I hate oranges because I don't like the colour of apples I'm not a fan on the Honda Accord because the Honda Civic is too small for me. Am I getting the point across about the logic in your statement? Also OS X and iOS are the two best operating systems on the planet.
Ugg. What was the point of inventing Thunderbolt? They took away firewire, and told us about all these amazing things it could do. Then shipped nothing but boxes that charge you $200 for a SATA port.
Thunderbolt can do a lot of really cool things. You can even buy an external PCI-Express expansion box, which would let you do pretty much anything. I was super stoked when TB came out. Unfortunately, the price for pretty much everything TB is just too high for any of it to matter, and it seems intrinsic to the technology itself (even the cables need fancy circuitry in them).
Yeah, you can buy a PCI-Express expansion box to fill with cards to add back the ports Apple removed from your computer. I'm not really criticizing Apple on this, some of the legacy stuff just had to go, but the promise of TB as a USB and Firewire replacement didn't seem to pan out. While, I love it for my external drives, if they didn't also have a USB3 interface on them, they would be useless to me to move from machine to machine in my current workflow. Thunderbolt for all it's potential and despite a few third parties embracing it, has just become Apple's proprietary display adapter.
This is because TB was never promised to be a replacement for USB and FireWire. Rather it was intended to be a replacement for internal slots. I'm not sure how this myth got started but the reality is that USB is already much faster than it needs to be for the majority of the uses it is put to.
TB has wide usage as a port for connecting professional devices. The problem is consumers aren't exposed to these devices just like they aren't exposed to PCI-Express cards. When is the last time a consumer bought a special purpose PCI-Express card? For the most part it just doesn't happen unless they have advanced "hobby" interest.
You can whine all you want about TB but you end up highlighting your misunderstanding of the technology.
Thank you!
It's like all the punters yapping about how FireWire was a "failure" because it never dominated consumer markets it wasn't aimed at. Duh.
Entire industries were built around FireWire for a decade and more.
"Failure", my ass.
I don't get it. Apple have the 5K panel as fitted to the 27". They have the 27" iMac enclosures which they could use if they really needed to. It has space for a graphics card and a GPU. They could have these in stores within a month, so what's the hold up?
I don't get it. Apple have the 5K panel as fitted to the 27". They have the 27" iMac enclosures which they could use if they really needed to. It has space for a graphics card and a GPU. They could have these in stores within a month, so what's the hold up?
They must be refreshing the iMac with a new case design as well!!! ;-)
Picture a PC user. He has an $800 box, so it has free sATA ports and PCI slots. And imagine he also has a thunderbolt port. Name one thunderbolt product he'd WANT, given the alternatives he could use.
Almost any professional audio interface as TB allows putting data collection close to the source. Sensitive RF products are another device that benefits from separation from the electrical noisy interior of a PC cabinet. Any disk array subsystem benefits from TB as it provide a fast interface without going to "data center or compute center hardware".
The constant problem I see with TB is that far too many people think it was designed for their needs. Nothing could be further from the truth. TB is designed to be a pro level interface and frankly the people that need its capabilities are very happy to have the interface.
I don't get it. Apple have the 5K panel as fitted to the 27". They have the 27" iMac enclosures which they could use if they really needed to. It has space for a graphics card and a GPU. They could have these in stores within a month, so what's the hold up?
I don't get it. Apple have the 5K panel as fitted to the 27". They have the 27" iMac enclosures which they could use if they really needed to. It has space for a graphics card and a GPU. They could have these in stores within a month, so what's the hold up?
DisplayPort 1.2 is the hold up. It does not support 5K displays. And that is the current connection for an external display. Even the iMac 5K cannot drive an external 5K display because of DisplayPort 1.2.
Thunderbolt isn't an Apple invention. It's an Intel invention. Thunderbolt also has enough bandwidth. It's that DisplayPort 1.2 can't support 5k. 1.3 can, but Intel won't be adding support for that into its chips until late 2017. Not muc Apple can do about that.
It was co-devloped by Apple.
No, it was not. It is all Intel. It was originally called Light Peak in 2009 using fibre optic technology. Once they determined that copper could handle the same bandwidth, and copper was far cheaper than fibre optics, Intel re-worked it to use copper wiring and renamed it Thunderbolt. Apple only modified the connector to their own version of mini DisplayPort without locking tabs. Since Apple was now using Intel for the Macs, they made the decision to drop the slower FireWire connector in favor of Thunderbolt.
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Thats a duh if I every heard one.
what sort of problems are your hypothetical devs having? I'm still developing on a 2011 iMac loaded with SSD, ram, and vram and it's pretty speedy. My 2014 rMBP is even faster. And if I had a Pro I could toss more cores at it than I could afford.
Now: Picture that PC user owning a laptop, as the majority of computer owners do.
I also hate Windows 10 on the PC because there are no apps available on Windows Phone
I hate oranges because I don't like the colour of apples
I'm not a fan on the Honda Accord because the Honda Civic is too small for me.
Am I getting the point across about the logic in your statement?
Also OS X and iOS are the two best operating systems on the planet.
For what purpose?