What strikes me is all the talk of how "illegitimate" the vote was since "only" 72.2% of voters participated, the margin was "only 51.9% to 48.1%," "Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain," etc. If the vote were 50.1% Remain to 49.9% Leave, I doubt there would be much handwringing about how "England and Wales voted to Leave" and how "unfair" it is that they are being forced to Remain by the Scots and Northern Irish. Similarly, if the vote were 51.9% Remain 48.1% Leave, I'm sure it would have been described not as a "narrow" win, but a "decisive, nearly 4% margin" for Remain.
What strikes me is all the talk of how "illegitimate" the vote was since "only" 72.2% of voters participated, the margin was "only 51.9% to 48.1%," "Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain," etc. If the vote were 50.1% Remain to 49.9% Leave, I doubt there would be much handwringing about how "England and Wales voted to Leave" and how "unfair" it is that they are being forced to Remain by the Scots and Northern Irish. Similarly, if the vote were 51.9% Remain 48.1% Leave, I'm sure it would have been described not as a "narrow" win, but a "decisive, nearly 4% margin" for Remain.
That's just the grumblings of immature sorelosers. They lost and they lost legitimately.
It doesn't matter how many signatures their "do over" petition gets. The vote is over and the issue has been decided. It's game over.
The left and the multiculturalist traitors will continue to whine about it no doubt, but it wont matter, they lost, and their game is up.
What strikes me is all the talk of how "illegitimate" the vote was since "only" 72.2% of voters participated, the margin was "only 51.9% to 48.1%," "Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain," etc. If the vote were 50.1% Remain to 49.9% Leave, I doubt there would be much handwringing about how "England and Wales voted to Leave" and how "unfair" it is that they are being forced to Remain by the Scots and Northern Irish. Similarly, if the vote were 51.9% Remain 48.1% Leave, I'm sure it would have been described not as a "narrow" win, but a "decisive, nearly 4% margin" for Remain.
That's just the grumblings of immature sorelosers. They lost and they lost legitimately.
It doesn't matter how many signatures their "do over" petition gets. The vote is over and the issue has been decided. It's game over.
The left and the multiculturalist traitors will continue to whine about it no doubt, but it wont matter, they lost, and their game is up.
Actually pal, you don't get to decide that. The referendum was non-binding, and parliament is supreme, and can override or re-run the referendum if they so choose. Even if they don't, the Scottish may be able to veto the triggering of Article 50.
I think all of these would be bad ideas, but they are certainly possible. The game may not be over.
Such remark underlines your silliness. How could the UK now be the "great base for European Operations". The UK just cut itself off from the Single Market.
For your own good, please educate yourself on the matter before posting any more idiocy.
The UK will have access to the entire world now. Screw the EU.
As for education, it doesn't seem that your side was able to educate and convince the voters of your argument. They were obviously not convinced and didn't fall for all of the lies, racism and propaganda coming from your side.
They weren't convinced by the mostly well-formulated economic and political arguments because the debate became toxic with the single issue of immigration due to the Leave campaign's distortions (which I have already given examples of in this thread, where are your examples of "lies, racism and propaganda"?) and the Remain campaigns poor judgement in its messaging.
Give over with this idiots guide to the EU Referendum. You clearly know next to nothing about it, which makes your gloating all the more in poor taste.
Actually pal, you don't get to decide that. The referendum was non-binding, and parliament is supreme, and can override or re-run the referendum if they so choose. Even if they don't, the Scottish may be able to veto the triggering of Article 50.
I think all of these would be bad ideas, but they are certainly possible. The game may not be over.
Any politicians would surely not go against the will of the British people.
They'll probably end up like the one female politician who recently was murdered. And I wouldn't feel bad for them either.
I think that the scenarios that you describe have an extremely small chance of happening. I also do believe that it is game over, for sure.
You clearly know next to nothing about it, which makes your gloating all the more in poor taste.
I am here to gloat, because it feels great to be on the right side of history again, contrary to all of the huffing and puffing going on by the loser crowd that lost.
In November, I'll also be on the right side of history, and that event is going to be real serious for some people.
I fully expect at least a few liberal suicides to take place as a direct effect of November. It's happened before, this time it will be even more dramatic! Happy days are here soon again! How awesome! I feel ecstatic!
That's just the grumblings of immature sorelosers. They lost and they lost legitimately.
It doesn't matter how many signatures their "do over" petition gets. The vote is over and the issue has been decided. It's game over.
The left and the multiculturalist traitors will continue to whine about it no doubt, but it wont matter, they lost, and their game is up.
Actually pal, you don't get to decide that. The referendum was non-binding, and parliament is supreme, and can override or re-run the referendum if they so choose. Even if they don't, the Scottish may be able to veto the triggering of Article 50.
I think all of these would be bad ideas, but they are certainly possible. The game may not be over.
No, the Scottish Parliament can't veto a Brexit. They can symbolically withhold consent, but foreign policy is a matter reserved for Westminster. For that matter, Parliament tomorrow could theoretically abolish the Scottish Parliament. It is a devolved government, not a federal constituency. Of course, they won't do that for political reasons. Plus, what would be more undemocratic than a small legislative body with jurisdiction over 8% of the UK population overriding a nationwide popular vote?
The referendum was non-binding, but all sides had agreed to abide by the will of the people. In theory, David Cameron could have invoked Article 50 even if Remain had won, but the whole point of the referendum was to identify the will of the people. By a margin of nearly 1.3 million, the people voted to leave.
I am here to gloat, because it feels great to be on the right side of history again, contrary to all of the huffing and puffing going on by the loser crowd that lost.
In November, I'll also be on the right side of history, and that event is going to be real serious for some people.
I fully expect at least a few liberal suicides to take place as a direct effect of November. It's happened before, this time it will be even more dramatic! Happy days are here soon again! How awesome! I feel ecstatic!
I won't go that far yet. Clinton has healthy leads in a number of polls, though the state-wide polls show Trump within striking distance in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Colorado (of course, they also show Clinton competitive or even ahead in Utah and North Carolina). Unlike a UK referendum, there are no spending limits in US elections, and Clinton has the money advantage. That said, it would be very interesting, to say the least, if Trump won. He could help himself by saying outright that he'd renegotiate NAFTA so that the UK could join (and thus have something to offer Mexico in exchange for "paying for the wall" or some other concession).
Who the fucking hell is even supporting this traitorous whore?! How is it even possible that she has any support whatsoever?! How is it possible that this many people are too stupid to be allowed to operate in society?
He could help himself by saying outright that he'd renegotiate NAFTA so that the UK could join
Fuck NAFTA. It's being shredded entirely. Fuck "free trade" deals.
and thus have something to offer Mexico in exchange for "paying for the wall" or some other concession).
Mexico gets to be reunited with 30,000,000 of its countrymen in exchange for paying for The Wall. That's sufficient.
I am here to gloat, because it feels great to be on the right side of history again, contrary to all of the huffing and puffing going on by the loser crowd that lost.
In November, I'll also be on the right side of history, and that event is going to be real serious for some people.
I fully expect at least a few liberal suicides to take place as a direct effect of November. It's happened before, this time it will be even more dramatic! Happy days are here soon again! How awesome! I feel ecstatic!
I won't go that far yet. Clinton has healthy leads in a number of polls, though the state-wide polls show Trump within striking distance in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Colorado (of course, they also show Clinton competitive or even ahead in Utah and North Carolina). Unlike a UK referendum, there are no spending limits in US elections, and Clinton has the money advantage. That said, it would be very interesting, to say the least, if Trump won. He could help himself by saying outright that he'd renegotiate NAFTA so that the UK could join (and thus have something to offer Mexico in exchange for "paying for the wall" or some other concession).
We already know that Clinton and Obama were 100% against an independent UK, so Clinton would obviously be horrible in dealing with the UK. Mr. ignorant and arrogant himself, Obama even said that the UK would get pushed to the back of the queue.
Trump predicted the Brexit accurately, and he also supports an independent UK. The new UK will be treated fairly by Trump.
The UK would have a lot more to worry about with the vindictive globalists and wannabe despots in charge, like Hillary and Obama, both of whom are opposed to the UK being a free country.
Who the fucking hell is even supporting this traitorous whore?! How is it even possible that she has any support whatsoever?! How is it possible that this many people are too stupid to be allowed to operate in society? Fuck NAFTA. It's being shredded entirely. Fuck "free trade" deals. Mexico gets to be reunited with 30,000,000 of its countrymen in exchange for paying for The Wall. That's sufficient.
Clinton seems to be winning the support of people who think that Trump is unqualified. People don't like Clinton, but she's convincing people that Trump would be dangerous while she would be safe. It seems odd, but in the most anti-establishment year in decades, the U.S. might well elect the embodiment of the Establishment by default.
I haven't read that article yet, but as usual, it seems as if I am right on the money, because I see the headline, and that's what I claimed earlier in the thread, that economics was not the most important issue.
Being racist has somehow become socially acceptable again.
That is wonderful!
What leftists call racism is of course not racism at all, but we need lots more of it, and it's here to stay! Yeah baby!
The world has improved considerably since the Brexit vote.
Here's also another clue. There are lots more "racists" (according to vile leftists) in Europe, and they'll be making their voices heard soon too!
This is fantastic and just wonderful! I am very happy! As much as leftists and globalists are upset about Brexit, I am the inverse, and I am extremely glad!
A part of it is the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome. There is a tendency among many on the political left to attribute policy disagreements to "racism" or "sexism." That is a losing formula in the long run. Eventually people ignore those claims, and even if an actual racist runs people tune out the message.
I haven't read that article yet, but as usual, it seems as if I am right on the money, because I see the headline, and that's what I claimed earlier in the thread, that economics was not the most important issue.
Basically the point is that you can't win an emotional vote using an argument grounded solely in reason. The Remain side spent way too much time arguing about policy details and let the Leave side dominate with an appeal to patriotism.
What leftists call racism is of course not racism at all, but we need lots more of it, and it's here to stay! Yeah baby!
The world has improved considerably since the Brexit vote.
Here's also another clue. There are lots more "racists" (according to vile leftists) in Europe, and they'll be making their voices heard soon too!
This is fantastic and just wonderful! I am very happy! As much as leftists and globalists are upset about Brexit, I am the inverse, and I am extremely glad!
A part of it is the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome. There is a tendency among many on the political left to attribute policy disagreements to "racism" or "sexism." That is a losing formula in the long run. Eventually people ignore those claims, and even if an actual racist runs people tune out the message.
Yes, it's tired and all worn out now.
They've been doing it for a long time now, more than a decade. Nobody really cares anymore, because 99.9% of the time it is bogus.
Actually pal, you don't get to decide that. The referendum was non-binding, and parliament is supreme, and can override or re-run the referendum if they so choose. Even if they don't, the Scottish may be able to veto the triggering of Article 50.
I think all of these would be bad ideas, but they are certainly possible. The game may not be over.
No, the Scottish Parliament can't veto a Brexit. They can symbolically withhold consent, but foreign policy is a matter reserved for Westminster.
Sure, but Westminster doesn't want Brexit either. They aren't that many Tory backbenchers. The Scottish withholding consent may be used as a spanner in the works, even if only for delay.
I'm so disappointed. Your brilliant formulation for the right of self-determination undermined by . . .
Let's just say you missed your chance at a manly response. The Peleset, whose name shifted to the Palestinians, were in Canaan in 1150 BCE.
Even the Jewish historians Philo of Alexandria and Josephus referred to Canaan as Palestine by a thousand years later, They stayed after the minority monotheists known as the Jews were driven out by the Romans.
I would think the Manx, Welsh and Cornish should also rise up, along with the Irish and Scots, against the Anglo-Saxon invaders (c. 500 CE).
I disagree. They're just a random collection of arabs from various neighboring countries. Arafat himself was an Egyptian.
There are enough Islamic countries in the world, and the world certainly doesn't need any more. If anything, it needs less, far less.
Quite right. Arabs are Semitic people, and the Semites are a broad group that have been around the Mediterranean for at least 9,000 years., including Palestine.
Compare to Israel, the most recent invader/occupiers of Palestine. Here you could use the term "random collection." Ashkenazi, the ruling class, are as much Indo-European and Khazar as they are Semitic.
When you say there are enough Muslim countries, what you mean is that there are enough Semitic countries. You contradict yourself. You don't believe your own words about self-determination. I leave it to you to decide whether you, a pure-bred, part-Jewish American random mongrel (like the rest of us) are being racist, ethnicist or just plain Trumpheaded.
The UK will have access to the entire world now. Screw the EU.
As for education, it doesn't seem that your side was able to educate and convince the voters of your argument. They were obviously not convinced and didn't fall for all of the lies, racism and propaganda coming from your side.
They weren't convinced by the mostly well-formulated economic and political arguments because the debate became toxic with the single issue of immigration due to the Leave campaign's distortions (which I have already given examples of in this thread, where are your examples of "lies, racism and propaganda"?) and the Remain campaigns poor judgement in its messaging.
Give over with this idiots guide to the EU Referendum. You clearly know next to nothing about it, which makes your gloating all the more in poor taste.
While certainly an element of the Leave vote was anti-immigration, I doubt that 17.4 million votes were. A lot of Thatcherite Conservatives are Euroskeptic on principle. They are the ones least likely to have voted on the basis of immigration. Instead, they don't want any further part of the inevitable political union that would occur if the EU is to succeed in the long run. The Greek crisis showed that monetary union without political union is a recipe for disaster. The migrant crisis showed that the EU has yet to achieve a common foreign policy. The likely EU response over the coming years (at least what would have been likely before the Brexit vote) is to push for further political integration. As a non-eurozone member and one skeptical of further political union, the UK's influence within the EU would have declined regardless.
On a side note, it will be interesting to see if Theresa May emerges as a "compromise" choice to be the next PM/Conservative Party leader.
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It doesn't matter how many signatures their "do over" petition gets. The vote is over and the issue has been decided. It's game over.
The left and the multiculturalist traitors will continue to whine about it no doubt, but it wont matter, they lost, and their game is up.
I think all of these would be bad ideas, but they are certainly possible. The game may not be over.
Give over with this idiots guide to the EU Referendum. You clearly know next to nothing about it, which makes your gloating all the more in poor taste.
They'll probably end up like the one female politician who recently was murdered. And I wouldn't feel bad for them either.
I think that the scenarios that you describe have an extremely small chance of happening. I also do believe that it is game over, for sure.
In November, I'll also be on the right side of history, and that event is going to be real serious for some people.
I fully expect at least a few liberal suicides to take place as a direct effect of November. It's happened before, this time it will be even more dramatic! Happy days are here soon again! How awesome! I feel ecstatic!
The referendum was non-binding, but all sides had agreed to abide by the will of the people. In theory, David Cameron could have invoked Article 50 even if Remain had won, but the whole point of the referendum was to identify the will of the people. By a margin of nearly 1.3 million, the people voted to leave.
Fuck NAFTA. It's being shredded entirely. Fuck "free trade" deals.
Mexico gets to be reunited with 30,000,000 of its countrymen in exchange for paying for The Wall. That's sufficient.
Trump predicted the Brexit accurately, and he also supports an independent UK. The new UK will be treated fairly by Trump.
The UK would have a lot more to worry about with the vindictive globalists and wannabe despots in charge, like Hillary and Obama, both of whom are opposed to the UK being a free country.
Anyway, this should be required reading for anyone who wants to understand why Leave won. https://hbr.org/2016/06/if-your-argument-is-based-on-economics-youve-already-lost
A part of it is the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome. There is a tendency among many on the political left to attribute policy disagreements to "racism" or "sexism." That is a losing formula in the long run. Eventually people ignore those claims, and even if an actual racist runs people tune out the message.
They've been doing it for a long time now, more than a decade. Nobody really cares anymore, because 99.9% of the time it is bogus.
I agree with your "boy who cried wolf" syndrome.
Compare to Israel, the most recent invader/occupiers of Palestine. Here you could use the term "random collection." Ashkenazi, the ruling class, are as much Indo-European and Khazar as they are Semitic.
When you say there are enough Muslim countries, what you mean is that there are enough Semitic countries. You contradict yourself. You don't believe your own words about self-determination. I leave it to you to decide whether you, a pure-bred, part-Jewish American random mongrel (like the rest of us) are being racist, ethnicist or just plain Trumpheaded.
On a side note, it will be interesting to see if Theresa May emerges as a "compromise" choice to be the next PM/Conservative Party leader.