Microsoft debuts Surface Studio all-in-one PC, refreshes high-end Surface Book

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  • Reply 121 of 199
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 2,558member
    Seriously, wtf? I noticed the same thing.  I wonder if the earnings/event date switch had more to do with sucking the air out of the room after the MS event than anything.  
  • Reply 122 of 199
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    flaneur said:
    It might be a good product, but Microsoft's tin ear subverts the presentation as usual, starting with the name "Surface," which has zero appeal. I mean, how two-dimensional and anti-tactile can you get, calling a touch-screen device by a generic topological term? So left-brained.

    Then when they want to copy Apple with a techno-erotic video, they blow it by getting all dreamy and saccharine, with an overdone sound track, senseless nuts and bolts closeups, and smarmy layers of artsy lifestyle cues. (Yuck, why is my stomach turning?)

    Why can't they just let the product and its designers and engineers speak for themselves? Instead they're trying to sell "creative professional" lifestyle. Always a wretched approach.
    In my world, Surface has solid appeal. These days we are selling more Surface Pro 4 to our customers, than traditional laptops in general.

    Was the "Surface" right name to choose for their touch-screen computers, I don't know. For me it symbolizes interactivity with the screen, so it definitely is not worst they could have came up with. But then, I think it is irrelevant. It is not the name you choose, it is what you make out of it. Otherwise, using everyday, most ordinary fruit, related with many things non-IT - including famous american pie scene from the flick bearing the same name - for a tech company name, wouldn't that be even more "left-brained"? But not many do, because Apple has built image that transfers to their name, not the other way around. While it may sound silly on a short notice, has Jobs decided to call his company Kiwi, Orange, Apricot... 40 years ago, today it would feel as natural and reasonable as Apple does. And so will Surface, or so does Surface, IMHO.
  • Reply 123 of 199
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 2,558member
    bill42 said:

    Which iMacs let you touch and draw directly on the screen?
    As a photo retoucher of 27 years, if someone touches my screen I scream at them and then stop and take out my windex.

    That being said, this is a nice looking machine. No way would it ever get me to use windows for the first time in my life though.
    27 years and you use ammonia based cleaners on your screeens? :(
    palomine
  • Reply 124 of 199
    plovellplovell Posts: 795member
    Wow. $3 K starting price !
    ireland
  • Reply 125 of 199
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 1,699member
    sog35 said:
    yellolion said:
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    Maybe but you can all but guarantee the Apple event will be just as boring as the last few... look at what Apple has released (to date) this year that is truly innovative... or last year for that matter??? I love Apple but last few years for me, they just aren't the creative/exciting company they used to be...
    I need to agree.

    iPhone6, iPhone6s, iPhone7 - not innovative at all. Just bigger screens.

    Apple Watch - simply an iPhone accessory at this point

    iPad - been stagnant. Dropping sales proves the point

    Mac - nothing special

    Lets face it. Tim Cook and the current leadership is more concerned about keeping Apple profits up than innovation.

    Cook needs to be fired.
    Ive needs to be reassigned.
    Apple needs a new CEO with Vision and Passion. Two things Cook lacks. Guy is so friken boring every single event.
    Ive has just lost it in his unending desire to make things thinner. WE need new design blood.
    You forgot the joke called Siri.
  • Reply 126 of 199
    plovellplovell Posts: 795member
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    No. They set the date just after Apple set the earnings release, I think. Apple had to move that date (back to yesterday).
  • Reply 127 of 199
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,556member

    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    yellolion said:
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    Maybe but you can all but guarantee the Apple event will be just as boring as the last few... look at what Apple has released (to date) this year that is truly innovative... or last year for that matter??? I love Apple but last few years for me, they just aren't the creative/exciting company they used to be...
    I need to agree.

    iPhone6, iPhone6s, iPhone7 - not innovative at all. Just bigger screens.

    Apple Watch - simply an iPhone accessory at this point

    iPad - been stagnant. Dropping sales proves the point

    Mac - nothing special

    Lets face it. Tim Cook and the current leadership is more concerned about keeping Apple profits up than innovation.

    Cook needs to be fired.
    Ive needs to be reassigned.
    Apple needs a new CEO with Vision and Passion. Two things Cook lacks. Guy is so friken boring every single event.
    Ive has just lost it in his unending desire to make things thinner. WE need new design blood.

    What the fuck? I swear to God you're some kind of schizophrenic, your account seems to be controlled by 10 different posters, all of who are unstable and make random bouts of sensationalism, either by defending Apple or shitting on them in the most extreme way like you did now, with no basis in facts. The last 3 generation of iPhones introduced just "bigger screens"?  What a terrible, intellectually dishonest troll you are. You get these panic and manic attacks every time any other company introduces a new product, it's ridiculously sad. I've asked you to seek help dozens of times, as have others on this board, and I still stick by that. Get some help for your own mental health. 
    I think you are the one who needs professional help.

    cursing like a drunk sailor to a total stranger on the internet. go get help. soon.
    Cursing on the internet, compared to 11,000+ of troll posts? Yeah, I think I'm ok. I love how people like you pretend to be offended by cursing, when all your posts contain melting down, and shitting on Apple's employees and executives, alleging that they're horrible, useless people like you've done time and time again. You're a stranger, yes, but 11,000+ posts is enough for me to conclude that you're a complete sociopath that needs to be on some kind of meds. It's out of goodwill that I advise you to find a hobby besides ripping your hair out at Apple in outrage with ranting posts every 5 seconds, not for my own benefit. You've been doing it for years. Imagine what you could have accomplished in that time had you invested that energy in something more productive? Maybe, just maybe you could have attained 1% of the accomplishments that Cook has, instead of demanding his head all the time. 
    Its out of your goodwill that you curse me? do you even hear the non sense you are speaking?

    dude, you need help. You have obvious anger issues. Any time I make any slight negative about Apple you come out ripping me. Stop being such a fanboy and open your eyes to reality.

    Reality is Tim Cook has done a horrible job of pushing innovation the 5 years at the helm. His biggest accomplishment was releasing a big iPhone. Thats it. Mac sales are tanking, iPad sales are tanking, China sales are tanking. The Watch in its 2nd year is not the big innovative product Cook said it would be. AppleTV has been a bust. Even with Apple's vast resources AppleTV can't even surpass Roku. Its pathetic.

    Tim Cook is a supply chain guy.
    Not a visionary. 
    Guy needs to know his role and step down ASAP.
    You think he has issues? 

    Seriously?

    I'm sorry; you spend so much time here whining on about things that are essentially your own fault. You don't like the way he runs the company, then why don't you show a fraction of the courage he has and flog your shares? No? Why? Because you're too frightened to make the hard choice; you're scared that you as soon as you sell them, the price will shoot up. You lack the courage of Cook's convictions. So, paralysed because you're in over your head, you come here and whinge like a five year old while offering some of the most asinine ideas for things that Apple should do to raise the share price to make you happy. Your sense of entitlement is quite nauseating, frankly.

    No matter how much you wish the Board will fire Tim Cook as an excuse for your own inadequacies, I'm afraid that won't happen because, unlike you, they see Apple as a long term prospect, and not a clueless amateur's day trade.

    The fastest mobile processor on the market
    A world leader in manufacturing processes
    Taking over the whole device one chip at a time.
    Standing up to the FBI's attack on personal privacy
    Second most popular luxury watch brand. (clearly the man doesn't take risks!)
    Expansion into China and India
    Expansion into an energy supplier.
    Expansion into Automotive technology (clearly the man's a coward!)
    Music streaming
    The most profitable retail chain per square foot.
    Supporting the rights of workers up and down the supply chain

    What the hell have you done that gives you the nuts to say he's not a visionary? Bleating about your portfolio doesn't qualify.

    You like giving advice to Cook. Here's some for you. 

    Man the fuck up and sell your shares. Since you can't manage that then stop gobbing off about your shares. No one here is impressed.

    edited October 2016 irelandeightzerotmaypalominenolamacguyfastasleepwatto_cobrawonkothesane
  • Reply 128 of 199
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    ireland said:


    It's worth watching the MS Video...  Long, but very well done -- and passionate!

    https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/26/microsoft-livestream/

    Surface Studio starts @1:15:20

    The black haired guy with the goatie is a terrible presenter. He's patronising and you can tell he thinks he's better than he is. He reminds me of a sleazy car salesman. His forced hand gestures and script doesn't gel.
    Yeah... I'll grant you a little patronizing and elitist -- what got and held my attention was his confidence and his passion!  I didn't get the impression that he was reading from a script or teleprompter.

    I haven't seen presentation yet, but I'm presuming this is about Panos.

    I remember last year Surface event. Yep, he is not necessarily likable, but oddly enough, his presentations were. There definitely is passion, confidence in their vision. I'd say he is channeling Jobs, but he is also owning it. Like when really talented young singer takes someone else's famous song, and yet manages to make it his/her own.
  • Reply 129 of 199
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,585member
    AppleDuff said:
    hahahaha....I have been an Apple enthusiast for a decade....but cmon....stop being fanboys...This looks like a great product. MS taking a bite out of Apple's share of the designers......This is good for the industry.....
    Apple enthusiast for a decade yet this is your first post? Maybe for a PR firm?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 130 of 199
    irelandireland Posts: 17,549member
    nikon133 said:
    ireland said:


    It's worth watching the MS Video...  Long, but very well done -- and passionate!

    https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/26/microsoft-livestream/

    Surface Studio starts @1:15:20

    The black haired guy with the goatie is a terrible presenter. He's patronising and you can tell he thinks he's better than he is. He reminds me of a sleazy car salesman. His forced hand gestures and script doesn't gel.
    Yeah... I'll grant you a little patronizing and elitist -- what got and held my attention was his confidence and his passion!  I didn't get the impression that he was reading from a script or teleprompter.

    I haven't seen presentation yet, but I'm presuming this is about Panos.

    I remember last year Surface event. Yep, he is not necessarily likable, but oddly enough, his presentations were. There definitely is passion, confidence in their vision. I'd say he is channeling Jobs, but he is also owning it. Like when really talented young singer takes someone else's famous song, and yet manages to make it his/her own.
    No way. He seems fake to me. I'm completely unconvinced by him.
    edited October 2016 watto_cobra
  • Reply 131 of 199
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,509member
    flaneur said:
    flaneur said:
    wiggin said:
    flaneur said:
    It might be a good product, but Microsoft's tin ear subverts the presentation as usual, starting with the name "Surface," which has zero appeal. I mean, how two-dimensional and anti-tactile can you get, calling a touch-screen device by a generic topological term? So left-brained.

    Yeah, that would be about as silly as if Apple came up with a box that connected to your television and called it something mundane like "Apple TV".  B
    Not the same. You missed the point. "Surface" is a repellant  name for a touchscreen device. It's deep, psychological. Microsoft people are not expected to understand.

    Yes!  "Surface" describes a 2D space.  It's ironic that the 1st half of the preso was pushing 3D Creaters update to Windows 10.

    Exactly, thanks. But now you've got me having to watch the event, since I'm all for 3D. We'll see if they mean stereo 3D video, i.e., left and right video channels. I couldn't tell from the AI story here earlier.
    Well, there was some time spent showing how they capture 3D by moving a camera around real digital 3D object -- like a sand castle built at the beach.  They add other digital 3D objects to create a scene. Then they spoil the scene by adding a 2D digital picture an 2D background image.  They manipulate the objects so they are aligned correctly on the z axis.  

    But when they rotate the scene you can see that it's a combination of 2D and 3D objects.  

    Kinda' like creating a pseudo-3D effect [with a 2D camera] in Apple Motion. 


    Aha. No bueno. Cardboard cutout effect kills (in the old sense) real 3D. And it turns off people who don't know the difference. 
  • Reply 132 of 199
    irelandireland Posts: 17,549member
    sog35 said:
    Rayz2016 said:

    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    yellolion said:
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    Maybe but you can all but guarantee the Apple event will be just as boring as the last few... look at what Apple has released (to date) this year that is truly innovative... or last year for that matter??? I love Apple but last few years for me, they just aren't the creative/exciting company they used to be...
    I need to agree.

    iPhone6, iPhone6s, iPhone7 - not innovative at all. Just bigger screens.

    Apple Watch - simply an iPhone accessory at this point

    iPad - been stagnant. Dropping sales proves the point

    Mac - nothing special

    Lets face it. Tim Cook and the current leadership is more concerned about keeping Apple profits up than innovation.

    Cook needs to be fired.
    Ive needs to be reassigned.
    Apple needs a new CEO with Vision and Passion. Two things Cook lacks. Guy is so friken boring every single event.
    Ive has just lost it in his unending desire to make things thinner. WE need new design blood.

    What the fuck? I swear to God you're some kind of schizophrenic, your account seems to be controlled by 10 different posters, all of who are unstable and make random bouts of sensationalism, either by defending Apple or shitting on them in the most extreme way like you did now, with no basis in facts. The last 3 generation of iPhones introduced just "bigger screens"?  What a terrible, intellectually dishonest troll you are. You get these panic and manic attacks every time any other company introduces a new product, it's ridiculously sad. I've asked you to seek help dozens of times, as have others on this board, and I still stick by that. Get some help for your own mental health. 
    I think you are the one who needs professional help.

    cursing like a drunk sailor to a total stranger on the internet. go get help. soon.
    Cursing on the internet, compared to 11,000+ of troll posts? Yeah, I think I'm ok. I love how people like you pretend to be offended by cursing, when all your posts contain melting down, and shitting on Apple's employees and executives, alleging that they're horrible, useless people like you've done time and time again. You're a stranger, yes, but 11,000+ posts is enough for me to conclude that you're a complete sociopath that needs to be on some kind of meds. It's out of goodwill that I advise you to find a hobby besides ripping your hair out at Apple in outrage with ranting posts every 5 seconds, not for my own benefit. You've been doing it for years. Imagine what you could have accomplished in that time had you invested that energy in something more productive? Maybe, just maybe you could have attained 1% of the accomplishments that Cook has, instead of demanding his head all the time. 
    Its out of your goodwill that you curse me? do you even hear the non sense you are speaking?

    dude, you need help. You have obvious anger issues. Any time I make any slight negative about Apple you come out ripping me. Stop being such a fanboy and open your eyes to reality.

    Reality is Tim Cook has done a horrible job of pushing innovation the 5 years at the helm. His biggest accomplishment was releasing a big iPhone. Thats it. Mac sales are tanking, iPad sales are tanking, China sales are tanking. The Watch in its 2nd year is not the big innovative product Cook said it would be. AppleTV has been a bust. Even with Apple's vast resources AppleTV can't even surpass Roku. Its pathetic.

    Tim Cook is a supply chain guy.
    Not a visionary. 
    Guy needs to know his role and step down ASAP.
    You think he has issues? 

    Seriously?

    I'm sorry; you spend so much time here whining on about things that are essentially your own fault. You don't like the way he runs the company, then why don't you show a fraction of the courage he has and flog your shares? No? Why? Because you're too frightened to make the hard choice; you're scared that you as soon as you sell them, the price will shoot up. You lack the courage of Cook's convictions. So, paralysed because you're in over your head, you come here and whinge like a five year old while offering some of the most asinine ideas for things that Apple should do to raise the share price to make you happy. Your sense of entitlement is quite nauseating, frankly.

    No matter how much you wish the Board will fire Tim Cook as an excuse for your own inadequacies, I'm afraid that won't happen because, unlike you, they see Apple as a long term prospect, and not a clueless amateur's day trade.

    The fastest mobile processor on the market
    A world leader in manufacturing processes
    Taking over the whole device one chip at a time.
    Standing up to the FBI's attack on personal privacy
    Second most popular luxury watch brand. (clearly the man doesn't take risks!)
    Expansion into China and India
    Expansion into an energy supplier.
    Expansion into Automotive technology (clearly the man's a coward!)
    Music streaming
    The most profitable retail chain per square foot.
    Supporting the rights of workers up and down the supply chain

    What the hell have you done that gives you the nuts to say he's not a visionary? Bleating about your portfolio doesn't qualify.

    You like giving advice to Cook. Here's some for you. 

    Man the fuck up and sell your shares.

    I'm holding my shares because once Cook is removed this stock will go up 30-50% in a matter of months.
    You're out of your mind. Sell now and give the world a break.
    edited October 2016 watto_cobra
  • Reply 133 of 199
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 4,485member

    First, does anyone believe anything in the video, It appear to be all rendered not an actual application doing the work. It looks like the modern day of typical MS slideware in this care videoware which you will never see as a real product. It MS marketing wet dream of what they hope to do verse what it can actually do.

    Okay copying is the thing today, but can't anyone come up and even an original making idea, they even copied Apple on the exploding pieces coming together to make the product.

    baconstang
  • Reply 134 of 199
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    ireland said:
    nikon133 said:
    ireland said:


    It's worth watching the MS Video...  Long, but very well done -- and passionate!

    https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/26/microsoft-livestream/

    Surface Studio starts @1:15:20

    The black haired guy with the goatie is a terrible presenter. He's patronising and you can tell he thinks he's better than he is. He reminds me of a sleazy car salesman. His forced hand gestures and script doesn't gel.
    Yeah... I'll grant you a little patronizing and elitist -- what got and held my attention was his confidence and his passion!  I didn't get the impression that he was reading from a script or teleprompter.

    I haven't seen presentation yet, but I'm presuming this is about Panos.

    I remember last year Surface event. Yep, he is not necessarily likable, but oddly enough, his presentations were. There definitely is passion, confidence in their vision. I'd say he is channeling Jobs, but he is also owning it. Like when really talented young singer takes someone else's famous song, and yet manages to make it his/her own.
    No way. He seems fake to me. I'm completely unconvinced by him.
    One shoe never fits all.
  • Reply 135 of 199
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,509member

    wiggin said:
    flaneur said:
    wiggin said:
    flaneur said:
    It might be a good product, but Microsoft's tin ear subverts the presentation as usual, starting with the name "Surface," which has zero appeal. I mean, how two-dimensional and anti-tactile can you get, calling a touch-screen device by a generic topological term? So left-brained.

    Yeah, that would be about as silly as if Apple came up with a box that connected to your television and called it something mundane like "Apple TV".  B
    Not the same. You missed the point. "Surface" is a repellant  name for a touchscreen device. It's deep, psychological. Microsoft people are not expected to understand.

    edit — Here's a way to maybe understand. When the iPad came out, some people observed that the touch interface gave you the impression of reaching in to the screen and directly manipulating the software as tactile objects under the screen. "Touch" conveys this depth. "Surface" is about a barrier to that depth. It all happens at a deeper level than the typical left-brained Microsoftian recognizes.
    I get what you are saying, but disagree that the word "surface" has such strong, negative connotations to it. You are over-thinking it and/or assuming a surface is only associated with a liquid that you can reach into (ie, depth). The typical consumer simply doesn't think that deeply (no pun intended). It's a work surface, just like my work bench, my desk, and my kitchen counter top. None of those things are barriers, quite the opposite. They are supportive of getting my work done.
    No overthinking. I never have believed in that cliché. I'm just thinking like an advertising or branding wonk.

    You're right, people aren't hindered on a conscious level by this name. My point is that on the level of desire, which works like music, poetry or eroticism, the unconscious is involved. The name Surface is so flat-footed that it's a turn-off to the lust centers. Just imagine that you're telling your artist nontech-y girlfriend that you are getting her a Surface for her birthday. WTF...? There's just no romance in that company. It's all left-brain geekery.

    Then when they feel they have to be creative, they way overshoot the mark, like they did in the first ten minutes of the event. A real cringefest.
  • Reply 136 of 199
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,556member
    sog35 said:
    Rayz2016 said:

    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    yellolion said:
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    Maybe but you can all but guarantee the Apple event will be just as boring as the last few... look at what Apple has released (to date) this year that is truly innovative... or last year for that matter??? I love Apple but last few years for me, they just aren't the creative/exciting company they used to be...
    I need to agree.

    iPhone6, iPhone6s, iPhone7 - not innovative at all. Just bigger screens.

    Apple Watch - simply an iPhone accessory at this point

    iPad - been stagnant. Dropping sales proves the point

    Mac - nothing special

    Lets face it. Tim Cook and the current leadership is more concerned about keeping Apple profits up than innovation.

    Cook needs to be fired.
    Ive needs to be reassigned.
    Apple needs a new CEO with Vision and Passion. Two things Cook lacks. Guy is so friken boring every single event.
    Ive has just lost it in his unending desire to make things thinner. WE need new design blood.

    What the fuck? I swear to God you're some kind of schizophrenic, your account seems to be controlled by 10 different posters, all of who are unstable and make random bouts of sensationalism, either by defending Apple or shitting on them in the most extreme way like you did now, with no basis in facts. The last 3 generation of iPhones introduced just "bigger screens"?  What a terrible, intellectually dishonest troll you are. You get these panic and manic attacks every time any other company introduces a new product, it's ridiculously sad. I've asked you to seek help dozens of times, as have others on this board, and I still stick by that. Get some help for your own mental health. 
    I think you are the one who needs professional help.

    cursing like a drunk sailor to a total stranger on the internet. go get help. soon.
    Cursing on the internet, compared to 11,000+ of troll posts? Yeah, I think I'm ok. I love how people like you pretend to be offended by cursing, when all your posts contain melting down, and shitting on Apple's employees and executives, alleging that they're horrible, useless people like you've done time and time again. You're a stranger, yes, but 11,000+ posts is enough for me to conclude that you're a complete sociopath that needs to be on some kind of meds. It's out of goodwill that I advise you to find a hobby besides ripping your hair out at Apple in outrage with ranting posts every 5 seconds, not for my own benefit. You've been doing it for years. Imagine what you could have accomplished in that time had you invested that energy in something more productive? Maybe, just maybe you could have attained 1% of the accomplishments that Cook has, instead of demanding his head all the time. 
    Its out of your goodwill that you curse me? do you even hear the non sense you are speaking?

    dude, you need help. You have obvious anger issues. Any time I make any slight negative about Apple you come out ripping me. Stop being such a fanboy and open your eyes to reality.

    Reality is Tim Cook has done a horrible job of pushing innovation the 5 years at the helm. His biggest accomplishment was releasing a big iPhone. Thats it. Mac sales are tanking, iPad sales are tanking, China sales are tanking. The Watch in its 2nd year is not the big innovative product Cook said it would be. AppleTV has been a bust. Even with Apple's vast resources AppleTV can't even surpass Roku. Its pathetic.

    Tim Cook is a supply chain guy.
    Not a visionary. 
    Guy needs to know his role and step down ASAP.
    You think he has issues? 

    Seriously?

    I'm sorry; you spend so much time here whining on about things that are essentially your own fault. You don't like the way he runs the company, then why don't you show a fraction of the courage he has and flog your shares? No? Why? Because you're too frightened to make the hard choice; you're scared that you as soon as you sell them, the price will shoot up. You lack the courage of Cook's convictions. So, paralysed because you're in over your head, you come here and whinge like a five year old while offering some of the most asinine ideas for things that Apple should do to raise the share price to make you happy. Your sense of entitlement is quite nauseating, frankly.

    No matter how much you wish the Board will fire Tim Cook as an excuse for your own inadequacies, I'm afraid that won't happen because, unlike you, they see Apple as a long term prospect, and not a clueless amateur's day trade.

    The fastest mobile processor on the market
    A world leader in manufacturing processes
    Taking over the whole device one chip at a time.
    Standing up to the FBI's attack on personal privacy
    Second most popular luxury watch brand. (clearly the man doesn't take risks!)
    Expansion into China and India
    Expansion into an energy supplier.
    Expansion into Automotive technology (clearly the man's a coward!)
    Music streaming
    The most profitable retail chain per square foot.
    Supporting the rights of workers up and down the supply chain

    What the hell have you done that gives you the nuts to say he's not a visionary? Bleating about your portfolio doesn't qualify.

    You like giving advice to Cook. Here's some for you. 

    Man the fuck up and sell your shares.

    Why the hell should I sell my Apple shares?

    I own Apple.

    Cook works for ME, not the other way around.

    I'm holding my shares because once Cook is removed this stock will go up 30-50% in a matter of months. That's how much Cook is dragging this stock down.


    Now might be a good time for you to let go of one or two misconceptions:

    No, you don't own a piece of Apple.
    No, Cook does not work for you. He actually works for the employees under him and his customers.

    Your four shares issued by Apple give you the right to a dividend should the company see fit to offer one … and that is all. 

    From the FT:

    But shares give their holders no right of possession and no right of use. If shareholders go to the company premises, they will more likely than not be turned away. 

    They have no more right than other customers to the services of the business they “own”. The company’s actions are not their responsibility, and corporate assets cannot be used to satisfy their debts. 

    Shareholders do not have the right to manage the company in which they hold an interest, and even their right to appoint the people who do is largely theoretical. They are entitled only to such part of the income as the directors declare as dividends, and have no right to the proceeds of the sale of corporate assets — except in the event of the liquidation of the entire company, in which case they will get what is left; not much, as a rule.


    https://www.ft.com/content/7bd1b20a-879b-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896

    It makes sense if you think about it. If shareholders actually had a say in company decisions then someone like you could quite easily end up running the company into the ground.




    edited October 2016 watto_cobrawonkothesaneireland
  • Reply 137 of 199
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,556member
    sog35 said:
    Rayz2016 said:

    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    yellolion said:
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    Maybe but you can all but guarantee the Apple event will be just as boring as the last few... look at what Apple has released (to date) this year that is truly innovative... or last year for that matter??? I love Apple but last few years for me, they just aren't the creative/exciting company they used to be...
    I need to agree.

    iPhone6, iPhone6s, iPhone7 - not innovative at all. Just bigger screens.

    Apple Watch - simply an iPhone accessory at this point

    iPad - been stagnant. Dropping sales proves the point

    Mac - nothing special

    Lets face it. Tim Cook and the current leadership is more concerned about keeping Apple profits up than innovation.

    Cook needs to be fired.
    Ive needs to be reassigned.
    Apple needs a new CEO with Vision and Passion. Two things Cook lacks. Guy is so friken boring every single event.
    Ive has just lost it in his unending desire to make things thinner. WE need new design blood.

    What the fuck? I swear to God you're some kind of schizophrenic, your account seems to be controlled by 10 different posters, all of who are unstable and make random bouts of sensationalism, either by defending Apple or shitting on them in the most extreme way like you did now, with no basis in facts. The last 3 generation of iPhones introduced just "bigger screens"?  What a terrible, intellectually dishonest troll you are. You get these panic and manic attacks every time any other company introduces a new product, it's ridiculously sad. I've asked you to seek help dozens of times, as have others on this board, and I still stick by that. Get some help for your own mental health. 
    I think you are the one who needs professional help.

    cursing like a drunk sailor to a total stranger on the internet. go get help. soon.
    Cursing on the internet, compared to 11,000+ of troll posts? Yeah, I think I'm ok. I love how people like you pretend to be offended by cursing, when all your posts contain melting down, and shitting on Apple's employees and executives, alleging that they're horrible, useless people like you've done time and time again. You're a stranger, yes, but 11,000+ posts is enough for me to conclude that you're a complete sociopath that needs to be on some kind of meds. It's out of goodwill that I advise you to find a hobby besides ripping your hair out at Apple in outrage with ranting posts every 5 seconds, not for my own benefit. You've been doing it for years. Imagine what you could have accomplished in that time had you invested that energy in something more productive? Maybe, just maybe you could have attained 1% of the accomplishments that Cook has, instead of demanding his head all the time. 
    Its out of your goodwill that you curse me? do you even hear the non sense you are speaking?

    dude, you need help. You have obvious anger issues. Any time I make any slight negative about Apple you come out ripping me. Stop being such a fanboy and open your eyes to reality.

    Reality is Tim Cook has done a horrible job of pushing innovation the 5 years at the helm. His biggest accomplishment was releasing a big iPhone. Thats it. Mac sales are tanking, iPad sales are tanking, China sales are tanking. The Watch in its 2nd year is not the big innovative product Cook said it would be. AppleTV has been a bust. Even with Apple's vast resources AppleTV can't even surpass Roku. Its pathetic.

    Tim Cook is a supply chain guy.
    Not a visionary. 
    Guy needs to know his role and step down ASAP.
    You think he has issues? 

    Seriously?

    I'm sorry; you spend so much time here whining on about things that are essentially your own fault. You don't like the way he runs the company, then why don't you show a fraction of the courage he has and flog your shares? No? Why? Because you're too frightened to make the hard choice; you're scared that you as soon as you sell them, the price will shoot up. You lack the courage of Cook's convictions. So, paralysed because you're in over your head, you come here and whinge like a five year old while offering some of the most asinine ideas for things that Apple should do to raise the share price to make you happy. Your sense of entitlement is quite nauseating, frankly.

    No matter how much you wish the Board will fire Tim Cook as an excuse for your own inadequacies, I'm afraid that won't happen because, unlike you, they see Apple as a long term prospect, and not a clueless amateur's day trade.

    The fastest mobile processor on the market
    A world leader in manufacturing processes
    Taking over the whole device one chip at a time.
    Standing up to the FBI's attack on personal privacy
    Second most popular luxury watch brand. (clearly the man doesn't take risks!)
    Expansion into China and India
    Expansion into an energy supplier.
    Expansion into Automotive technology (clearly the man's a coward!)
    Music streaming
    The most profitable retail chain per square foot.
    Supporting the rights of workers up and down the supply chain

    What the hell have you done that gives you the nuts to say he's not a visionary? Bleating about your portfolio doesn't qualify.

    You like giving advice to Cook. Here's some for you. 

    Man the fuck up and sell your shares. Since you can't manage that then stop gobbing off about your shares. No one here is impressed.

    No man. Cook is ruining the company

    Apple (AAPL) 'Doesn't Have that Founder Flame Anymore,' BGC Financial's Gillis Says


    https://www.thestreet.com/story/13868645/1/apple-aapl-doesn-t-have-that-founder-flame-anymore-bgc-financial-s-gillis-says.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO&yptr=yahoo

    No meaningful innovation since Cook took over
    And BGC Financials are…?

    My niece says you’re a big ol' poopy pants. Should we just take her word for it?

    edited October 2016 watto_cobra
  • Reply 138 of 199
    nikon133 said:
    ireland said:


    It's worth watching the MS Video...  Long, but very well done -- and passionate!

    https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/26/microsoft-livestream/

    Surface Studio starts @1:15:20

    The black haired guy with the goatie is a terrible presenter. He's patronising and you can tell he thinks he's better than he is. He reminds me of a sleazy car salesman. His forced hand gestures and script doesn't gel.
    Yeah... I'll grant you a little patronizing and elitist -- what got and held my attention was his confidence and his passion!  I didn't get the impression that he was reading from a script or teleprompter.

    I haven't seen presentation yet, but I'm presuming this is about Panos.

    I remember last year Surface event. Yep, he is not necessarily likable, but oddly enough, his presentations were. There definitely is passion, confidence in their vision. I'd say he is channeling Jobs, but he is also owning it. Like when really talented young singer takes someone else's famous song, and yet manages to make it his/her own.

    Yup!

  • Reply 139 of 199
    sog35 said:
    Rayz2016 said:

    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    slurpy said:
    sog35 said:
    yellolion said:
    cali said:
     Out of all days they decide to announce an iMac clone the day before Apple special event. Coincidence? 
    Maybe but you can all but guarantee the Apple event will be just as boring as the last few... look at what Apple has released (to date) this year that is truly innovative... or last year for that matter??? I love Apple but last few years for me, they just aren't the creative/exciting company they used to be...
    I need to agree.

    iPhone6, iPhone6s, iPhone7 - not innovative at all. Just bigger screens.

    Apple Watch - simply an iPhone accessory at this point

    iPad - been stagnant. Dropping sales proves the point

    Mac - nothing special

    Lets face it. Tim Cook and the current leadership is more concerned about keeping Apple profits up than innovation.

    Cook needs to be fired.
    Ive needs to be reassigned.
    Apple needs a new CEO with Vision and Passion. Two things Cook lacks. Guy is so friken boring every single event.
    Ive has just lost it in his unending desire to make things thinner. WE need new design blood.

    What the fuck? I swear to God you're some kind of schizophrenic, your account seems to be controlled by 10 different posters, all of who are unstable and make random bouts of sensationalism, either by defending Apple or shitting on them in the most extreme way like you did now, with no basis in facts. The last 3 generation of iPhones introduced just "bigger screens"?  What a terrible, intellectually dishonest troll you are. You get these panic and manic attacks every time any other company introduces a new product, it's ridiculously sad. I've asked you to seek help dozens of times, as have others on this board, and I still stick by that. Get some help for your own mental health. 
    I think you are the one who needs professional help.

    cursing like a drunk sailor to a total stranger on the internet. go get help. soon.
    Cursing on the internet, compared to 11,000+ of troll posts? Yeah, I think I'm ok. I love how people like you pretend to be offended by cursing, when all your posts contain melting down, and shitting on Apple's employees and executives, alleging that they're horrible, useless people like you've done time and time again. You're a stranger, yes, but 11,000+ posts is enough for me to conclude that you're a complete sociopath that needs to be on some kind of meds. It's out of goodwill that I advise you to find a hobby besides ripping your hair out at Apple in outrage with ranting posts every 5 seconds, not for my own benefit. You've been doing it for years. Imagine what you could have accomplished in that time had you invested that energy in something more productive? Maybe, just maybe you could have attained 1% of the accomplishments that Cook has, instead of demanding his head all the time. 
    Its out of your goodwill that you curse me? do you even hear the non sense you are speaking?

    dude, you need help. You have obvious anger issues. Any time I make any slight negative about Apple you come out ripping me. Stop being such a fanboy and open your eyes to reality.

    Reality is Tim Cook has done a horrible job of pushing innovation the 5 years at the helm. His biggest accomplishment was releasing a big iPhone. Thats it. Mac sales are tanking, iPad sales are tanking, China sales are tanking. The Watch in its 2nd year is not the big innovative product Cook said it would be. AppleTV has been a bust. Even with Apple's vast resources AppleTV can't even surpass Roku. Its pathetic.

    Tim Cook is a supply chain guy.
    Not a visionary. 
    Guy needs to know his role and step down ASAP.
    You think he has issues? 

    Seriously?

    I'm sorry; you spend so much time here whining on about things that are essentially your own fault. You don't like the way he runs the company, then why don't you show a fraction of the courage he has and flog your shares? No? Why? Because you're too frightened to make the hard choice; you're scared that you as soon as you sell them, the price will shoot up. You lack the courage of Cook's convictions. So, paralysed because you're in over your head, you come here and whinge like a five year old while offering some of the most asinine ideas for things that Apple should do to raise the share price to make you happy. Your sense of entitlement is quite nauseating, frankly.

    No matter how much you wish the Board will fire Tim Cook as an excuse for your own inadequacies, I'm afraid that won't happen because, unlike you, they see Apple as a long term prospect, and not a clueless amateur's day trade.

    The fastest mobile processor on the market
    A world leader in manufacturing processes
    Taking over the whole device one chip at a time.
    Standing up to the FBI's attack on personal privacy
    Second most popular luxury watch brand. (clearly the man doesn't take risks!)
    Expansion into China and India
    Expansion into an energy supplier.
    Expansion into Automotive technology (clearly the man's a coward!)
    Music streaming
    The most profitable retail chain per square foot.
    Supporting the rights of workers up and down the supply chain

    What the hell have you done that gives you the nuts to say he's not a visionary? Bleating about your portfolio doesn't qualify.

    You like giving advice to Cook. Here's some for you. 

    Man the fuck up and sell your shares.

    Why the hell should I sell my Apple shares?

    I own Apple.

    Cook works for ME, not the other way around.

    I'm holding my shares because once Cook is removed this stock will go up 30-50% in a matter of months. That's how much Cook is dragging this stock down.
    Pretty sure Tim owns more AAPL than you.

    The people who could force a change at CEO (and have not) own more still.

    So while you own some AAPL, you likely don't have enough to dictate a CEO change.

    If you have no confidence in Apple's leadership and you don't have the clout (shares) to force change, the sensible thing to do is sell.

    All that said, I'm not selling my AAPL.
    ireland
  • Reply 140 of 199
    Indeed, the first true innovation from Microsoft in decades... they lost the touch and phone war and decided to concentrate on convergence to innovate on the computer space... and they seemed to have done a major step ahead with the surface line. The fact that they cannot produce it in volume may signify the one showed is still a pretty early prototype and they decided to announce it just to steal the show from Apple... limited quantities may literally mean a few thousands and a good chunk to be demonstrated in store, but a good idea. It rests to be seen how rigid it is when you lean on it, how low is the angle, it still seems not that much lower than 30° which is still a bit on an incline... allowing it to go almost flat would have widened the style of use majorly... especially if you cannot change the height of your desk and you clearly cannot have you on your lap... Apple has to step on the accelerator of convergence, I know they have it in the lab, but they are literally waiting to get those A-series chips able to power the whole line and then boom, iPad, iMac and iBook, pardon MacBook will all be touch and pen enabled. Microsoft knows this was coming since the iOS was released... they are trying to occupy the space first... but they need to do that fast... really fast... but always good to see competition on content creation tools, rather than consumption. Liked that Nadella speech at the end.
    Rayz2016
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