How Donald Trump's election as U.S. President could affect Apple

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  • Reply 101 of 162
    spheric said:
    rob53 said:
    lkrupp said:
    Uh, err, Daniel, the election is over. Your stump speech is a day late and a dollar short. Sore loser still fapping the fud, Daniel? Even Hillary said we need to at least give him a chance. I’m waiting to see how many celebrities actually move out of the U.S. like they swore they would do if The Donald won. Streisand, Amy Schumer, Notorious RBG, Whoopi Goldberg, Alec Baldwin, Cher, Miley Cyrus. Anybody see the For Sale signs yet?
    It isn't a stump speech, it's an attempt to understand how Trump's attempts at national policy would affect Apple. I've also heard people say he'll be impeached within his first year, if he even survives the federal racketeering charges. Of course, all the Republican and conservative judges will give him a pass because he's the incoming President and all he needs to do is force the trial into a conservative suburb or one of the many red districts in the farm land and nobody will convict him of anything.

    Yes, I'm upset he won because he has no business being our President. 
    "Yes, I'm upset he won because he has no business being our President."

    There's this little thing called a democracy where the people have the power to decide who leads the country and who doesn't. And they have spoken. 
    Dangerous argument. "The people" voted for Hillary, by majority. They spoke clearly. The electoral college weighted that vote in favour of Trump, AGAINST the power of the majority of the People. 

    Yes it's by design, and there are historical reasons for it, but pure majority rule, it most certainly is not. 
    Clearly? For president, it was a razor thin margin either way.    However, in totality 'the people' gave the Executive, both branches of the Executive and by extension control over the future of the Juditiary to Republicans.  The presidential race may have been close, but overall this was a total defeat at the Federal level for team D.

    In the last couple decades, Democrats have worked extra hard to weaken state governments and transfer power to the Federal government.   Independents/libertarians have been warning about this being a terrible idea for years, now moronic D's get to enjoy a completely Republican Federal government with incredible power over all the individual states and their funding.  Even California and NY will have to learn to beg, sit and roll over if they want to keep the lights on.

    These retards cheated and lied and manipulated to weaken individual states' liberties for the socialist utopian fantasy of an all powerful centralized government, breaking or ignoring various check and balances meant to protect against the very things they now fear.  If Democrats don't like what a President Trump does, they'll have absolutely nobody to blame but themselves for exploiting the system and stacking the deck against individual liberty.  #reality
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  • Reply 102 of 162
    Well done editors, calling Putin a dictator allegedly 'regularly threatening to attack journalists and media outlets'. Obviously do not bother to check if it has anything to do with the reality. That's the sort of oversimplification you people accuse Trump of - want a Democrat in the oval office do not rely on propaganda or you will end up living in a fake world. I am not saying Putin is great but I really haven't seen people arrested or media shut down here and there (and yes, I'm writing this from Moscow). Look at Erdogan - why not put a blame on him for his campaign against anyone bold enough not to agree with what he does to Turkey? And editors really there are people reaching out for news from your site from all over the world - be smart not to insult them.
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  • Reply 103 of 162
    schlack said:
    I am ashamed of my country.
    rob53 said:
    lkrupp said:
    Uh, err, Daniel, the election is over. Your stump speech is a day late and a dollar short. Sore loser still fapping the fud, Daniel? Even Hillary said we need to at least give him a chance. I’m waiting to see how many celebrities actually move out of the U.S. like they swore they would do if The Donald won. Streisand, Amy Schumer, Notorious RBG, Whoopi Goldberg, Alec Baldwin, Cher, Miley Cyrus. Anybody see the For Sale signs yet?
    It isn't a stump speech, it's an attempt to understand how Trump's attempts at national policy would affect Apple. I've also heard people say he'll be impeached within his first year, if he even survives the federal racketeering charges. Of course, all the Republican and conservative judges will give him a pass because he's the incoming President and all he needs to do is force the trial into a conservative suburb or one of the many red districts in the farm land and nobody will convict him of anything.

    Yes, I'm upset he won because he has no business being our President. 
    "Yes, I'm upset he won because he has no business being our President."

    There's this little thing called a democracy where the people have the power to decide who leads the country and who doesn't. And they have spoken. 
    That little thing called democracy elected Hitler, elected Hamas, and made slavery legal for nearly one hundred years. Don't think that it being the will of the people, makes the evil of Trump and his agenda justifiable. Americans who voted for Trump will have to live with their choice. Let's just hope America is around in 4 years and that elections take place.
    It's amazing how Americans are always chest thumping that they live in a free and democratic world and all of a sudden their chosen one Hitlary loses, and democracy is suddenly not what it's cracked up to be. Give me a break. Either you're for democracy or your'e not. If you are for it then you live with the fact that your chosen candidate will possibly lose. And if you can't accept that, fucking move. You have no idea how good you have it.
    Besides, I have a hard time believing that one person will completely change the country and all the systems and procedures and instances and contracts that are in place. No, nothing will change much...
    SpamSandwichrevenantdasanman69
  • Reply 104 of 162
    smcarter said:
    I cancelled my $3.5K MacBook Pro order because of what happened last night. I don't think I can afford it right now, not knowing what the future holds. I hope that I'm wrong. I hope that a President Trump acts responsibly. I hope that a President Trump won't cause a trade war. However, at this point, I do not know.
    If you cancel your 3.5K MacBook Pro because of your perceived uncertainty about the future, this has little to do with Trump. You should never have spent 3.5K on a laptop, and you finally realized it. You should thank Trump for it. If you need a MacBook Pro, buy a 2015 model. It's a great laptop, and you will save at least 50%. At one pint, folks need to come to their senses and realize that using debt to finance one's lifestyle is a bad idea. It's bad for an individual, for a family, and for a country. Let the rich buy those $4K laptops and $10,000 gold watches. You will be just fine getting a MacBook Pro for under $2,000 and a watch for under $500. You will stil be the envy of 95% of the world population. 
    edited November 2016 gatorguySpamSandwichspacekidroake
  • Reply 105 of 162
    Just one interesting point in this hot discussion.
    There is pollution and climate change. The first is important and good to work on it because of people and nature health but has vague connection to climate change that is vague science often corrupted. So would not fence with it anywhere. Climate change is influenced by so many things that we can not control. Like volcanoes, Sun, astronomical cycles etc.

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  • Reply 106 of 162
    sirozha said:
    smcarter said:
    I cancelled my $3.5K MacBook Pro order because of what happened last night. I don't think I can afford it right now, not knowing what the future holds. I hope that I'm wrong. I hope that a President Trump acts responsibly. I hope that a President Trump won't cause a trade war. However, at this point, I do not know.
    If you cancel your 3.5K MacBook Pro because of your perceived uncertainty about the future, this has little to do with Trump. You should never have spent 3.5K on a laptop, and you finally realized it. You should thank Trump for it. If you need a MacBook Pro, buy a 2015 model. It's a great laptop, and you will save at least 50%. At one pint, folks need to come to their senses and realize that using debt to finance one's lifestyle is a bad idea. It's bad for an individual, for a family, and for a country. Let the rich buy those $4K laptops and $10,000 gold watches. You will be just fine getting a MacBook Pro for under $2,000 and a watch for under $500. You will stil be the envy of 95% of the world population. 
    I like to wait until I get to 5 or 6 pints before I come to my senses.
    SpamSandwichcrowley
  • Reply 107 of 162
    ireland said:
    The only president who's said he'd date his own daughter.
    And grab her yoo hoo...
  • Reply 108 of 162
    gustavgustav Posts: 827member
    motif88 said:
    most of the snowflakes commenting here have it completely backwards thanks to their years of mis-eduction. I'm more optimistc now than in the past 8 years. I'm ordering a MBP and I'm going to lease a new vehicle. The sun is finally coming out again!
    You're going to lease? I hope that's for a business, because leasing for personal use has got to be one of the biggest retail scams going.
  • Reply 109 of 162
    Love the Trump hate. Most of you have bought into the media spin. Trump will be the best President we have seen in ages. If the last several president's are an example of who is qualified then I want none of that in Trump. He knows business. He will fight for what is right. Yes he has strong words but you can't take them too literally as they won't happen to that level. It is time things were shaken deeply in our system and he is the man to do it.
    gtrapple ][toddzrxslingwing
  • Reply 110 of 162
    jmc54jmc54 Posts: 207member
    johnbear said:
    can't believe 59 million people voted for this unqualified, crook, idiot, charlatan 
    If you mean Clinton, you're right!  election results
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  • Reply 111 of 162
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,697member
    Soli said:
    There's this little thing called a democracy where the people have the power to decide who leads the country and who doesn't. And they have spoken. 
    You know "the people have spoken" makes no sense when the popular vote goes to one candidate (the loser) and the EC vote goes to the winner, right?
    Regarding the the electoral college ...  Well remember how big this country is, the horse ride to take the results to the counting centers takes a few days, how could America have any other system ... Oh wait ...
  • Reply 112 of 162
    rob53 said:
    lkrupp said:
    Uh, err, Daniel, the election is over. Your stump speech is a day late and a dollar short. Sore loser still fapping the fud, Daniel? Even Hillary said we need to at least give him a chance. I’m waiting to see how many celebrities actually move out of the U.S. like they swore they would do if The Donald won. Streisand, Amy Schumer, Notorious RBG, Whoopi Goldberg, Alec Baldwin, Cher, Miley Cyrus. Anybody see the For Sale signs yet?
    It isn't a stump speech, it's an attempt to understand how Trump's attempts at national policy would affect Apple. I've also heard people say he'll be impeached within his first year, if he even survives the federal racketeering charges. Of course, all the Republican and conservative judges will give him a pass because he's the incoming President and all he needs to do is force the trial into a conservative suburb or one of the many red districts in the farm land and nobody will convict him of anything.

    Yes, I'm upset he won because he has no business being our President. 
    "Yes, I'm upset he won because he has no business being our President."

    There's this little thing called a democracy where the people have the power to decide who leads the country and who doesn't. And they have spoken. 
    Lol... there's also this little thing called the Electoral College that allows people to become president even when the people have spoken & the majority did NOT want him... but nice try, jackass.
  • Reply 113 of 162
    red oak said:
    Your obviously seething about the election results, being you were so far up the Democrats and HRC's asses

    BTW, it's a 10% tax holiday and then 15% going forward on all foreign earnings. Apple will be all over this and will be able to bring $200B back to the US if they wish 

    More important, it would be a 15% income tax on everything going forward, vs the current 26% Apple has been accruing.  It would be a massive windfall and dramaticallly improve operating results of the company going forward.  Was this too inconsequential for you to mention in your tirade? 


    Huh.... so America's biggest taxpayer is getting a HUGE tax break??!!
    sounds AWESOME. Go Trump! Give all the big companies breaks & pay for everything by raising taxes on the little guy!!!
    Stupid poor people! They deserve to not have a chance to get ahead, by being squeezed even tighter by the government.
    Red Oak said so!! Trump good!!! 
    macguipropod
  • Reply 114 of 162
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,095member
    Soli said:
    There's this little thing called a democracy where the people have the power to decide who leads the country and who doesn't. And they have spoken. 
    You know "the people have spoken" makes no sense when the popular vote goes to one candidate (the loser) and the EC vote goes to the winner, right?
    Regarding the the electoral college ...  Well remember how big this country is, the horse ride to take the results to the counting centers takes a few days, how could America have any other system ... Oh wait ...
    It has more to do with preventing a very few large population centers or a single region from controlling the decision on who will lead the country. If it were simply decided by popular vote alone the aligned preferences of California, Texas, Florida and New York could render moot any votes from all the other States and their citizens combined. A candidate who appealed to only the Northeast or only the Southeast and ignored every other State and it's citizens could win out anyway. On top of that there would be multiple candidates and fringe parties with various agendas running for President thus probably preventing any one candidate from getting anywhere close to a majority of votes anyway. Even in this election no candidate got close to 50% of the popular vote, and only about 1/10 of 1% separates the top two at the moment.

    The "Hillary got the most votes" argument is silly, particularly since there's almost no difference between the number she received and the number who voted Trump. If Trump was leading by 1/10 of a % in popular vote at the moment the losing side would discount it as so ridiculously close it didn't matter anyway barring a nationwide recount if the point was raised by a Trump supporter. 

     As is typical after most Presidential elections it takes some segments of the losing side time ( sometimes a LOT of time) to come to grips with the loss and deal with realities instead of what ifs. Heck the biggest "what-if" IMHO is what the outcome would have been if the Democratic Party bosses hadn't snuggled up in bed with their favorite power-couple to ensure Bernie Sanders didn't interfere in their plans. Both he and Trump had many similar views on the established political machinery. While the Republicans failed to rein in Trump (to their chagrin) the Dems did it to themselves by muzzling Mr. Sanders IMO. Trump is right about rigged elections, even if he is mistaken on where the biggest rigging takes place. 
    dasanman69ibillraz0r
  • Reply 115 of 162
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,012member
    evilution said:
    sdw2001 said:
    Go screw.  You need to take responsibility for favoring a fucking criminal 
    Are you honestly saying that Hillary isn't a criminal! I can't believe how blinkered people can be when they are force-fed Clinton controlled media. Do your own research, don't just take what you are handed.
    I'm saying she IS a criminal.  Hello? 
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  • Reply 116 of 162
    The issues regarding companies making stuff outside vs inside the US is a significant battle and I wouldn't expect to see much action on that for a while other than tax relief or incentives for companies to do more in the US. Jobs leaving the US are related to higher wages in the US and neither side wants to give up anything. I would expect compromise, something the previous administration was lacking in doing much of. The fixes and changes required will be painful. Constantly raising wages and reducing the number of jobs is likely a path to destruction. Pay the price now or worse later.

    In a more immediate benefit, Apple and other companies are likely to make out better assuming the corporate tax rate is reduce allowing them to bring money into the US for investments. This will allow these companies to spend these money in the US providing more jobs.

    A sign of how easy or hard things will be is if people work to solve these problems or stick to their ideological views without compromising. Belittling, making fun of and dumping on people's ideas/suggestions and not providing suggestions is a sign you're part of the problem.
  • Reply 117 of 162
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Elitist doofus like you is the reason Trump is President. You may have a college degree but you are illiterate.
    On the contrary. It was working class whites that voted him in.
    spacekidmacguisingularityroake
  • Reply 118 of 162
    Great results. First things first. Need to get some diapers for all the bedwetters here than are whining about Trump. You all that have moved to safe spaces, ducked out on exams due to anguish, need a cuddly dog to calm you ... no worries, you will grow up maybe some day. Its OK. And you celebs ... we believed what you said about leaving the US, so keep your word now and GIT.  Now, the rest of you, calm down. We have had to live with the worst president in US history now for 8 years. He is gone soon enough, and Trump will dismantle his legacy piece by piece. Its easy ... most of it was through executive orders, so for those, poof. Obama care was done through legislation, and it will be repealed by legislation and a better solution put forth. Then, well, you know the rest. Tax breaks to the middle class, stop illegal immigration, kick out illegal immigrants and bring in legal immigrants according to the law, etc. Great days ahead. GO TRUMP!
    canukstormibill
  • Reply 119 of 162
    On the contrary. It was working class whites that voted him in.

    Not really. You know who voted him in? The Dems who didn't bother to go vote. In the end, GOP voters held up their nose, hid their distaste, and went to vote for Trump. Democrats didn't bother to show up, at a rate similar to mid-term elections. Can't blame the Latinos (although 29% support for Trump among Latinos is nothing short of mindboggling) or the millenials; but the well orchestrated leaks and Colmey's last-minute meddling, however illegal, may have been all that was needed to end up depressing the Dem vote.
    I'm not so worried about Trump, who's by all accounts a useless buffoon incapable of managing much else than his own ego. But the people who manage him are powerful, scary and dangerous. I don't find much solace in knowing that the very people who voted him in will be first in line to suffer when GOP policies get implemented and they lose their health coverage and benefits. I just hope that lessons will be learned in 2020. Sadly, I already know that 2018 is only going to bring more bad news.
  • Reply 120 of 162
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,095member
    On the contrary. It was working class whites that voted him in.

    Not really. You know who voted him in? The Dems who didn't bother to go vote. In the end, GOP voters held up their nose, hid their distaste, and went to vote for Trump. Democrats didn't bother to show up, at a rate similar to mid-term elections. Can't blame the Latinos (although 29% support for Trump among Latinos is nothing short of mindboggling) or the millenials; but the well orchestrated leaks and Colmey's last-minute meddling, however illegal, may have been all that was needed to end up depressing the Dem vote.
    I'm not so worried about Trump, who's by all accounts a useless buffoon incapable of managing much else than his own ego. But the people who manage him are powerful, scary and dangerous.
    You should let us in on who these "powerful, scary and dangerous" folks controlling Trump are. Are they on the level of the Rothchild's, rumored to be the groomers behind Ms Clinton? 
    edited November 2016 SpamSandwichsingularityrevenantibill
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