Chinese state-run media promises consequences for Apple, others if Trump starts trade war

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  • Reply 61 of 87
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    6502 said:
    I'd gladly pay a few hundred dollars more to buy an American made iPhone. We are too dependent on China for things we use daily. And fewer Chinese student at our universities? That's a reward, not a threat.
    You are the most selfish American.  Your altitude shared by many other Americans too.  You have no regards to other people including many other Americans.  iPhone is the most expensive smartphone. Its market share is only 12% mostly due to its price.  You are able to pay a few hundred dollars.  It means you are a rich American.  iPhone costing a few hundred dollars more will price out even more Americans.  So your rhetoric is actually unpatriotic.

    Furthermore, China has four times more population than US.  China's GDP as whole is comp able to US.  But on a per capita basis its GDP is only one fourth of US.  So China is still a poor country.  Why many Americans always want to target China?  Because this is racism.  And many Chinese student you saw in universities are actually born in US and are US citizens.  Only because they look like Chinese.  There are many of them because they are simply study hard and more intelligent.  The whites are superior only because their mass and height are larger.  Their intelligence are not.  
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  • Reply 62 of 87
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
    sog35 said:
    This is another failure by Cook.

    Instead of hedging his bets he went 100% with Clinton. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid move by Cook. He should have played both sides. Instead he went all in with Clinton and has egg on his face now.

    This is what I absolutely DETEST about Cook. He allows his PERSONAL VALUES and POLITICAL VALUES to pollute the Apple brand. This election should have not had any effect on Apple. Yet the stock lost $60 billion in value the last week because of Cook spreading his political agenda. 

    The CEO of a multi-national corporation should be playing both sides. Another absolute failure by the fool Cook. He thinks he's running a charity and social non-profit.
    How the fuck could he play both sides when Trump called people to boycott Apple products? Have some integrity, would you!
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  • Reply 63 of 87

    Personal opinion:

    The last time I was truly proud of my my country, the USA -- was immediately after the 9/11 attacks. Individuals seemed to celebrate their shared values, respect and dreams as Americans --and mitigated their differences.

    Somehow, we've got to get back to that place.

    My wife of 35 1/2 years had died earlier that year... She would have been: first, appalled -- then very proud.

    My 3 grandchildren were too young to understand & IMO do not realize how good Americans can be when united for a common good.

    Somehow, we Americans have got to get back to that place.

    As long as there are even two people in the world, there will be disagreements. I'd hate to live in a world completely free of conflict (violence I could do without), because through dissatisfaction and conflict great things are possible. It's too easy to reach a state of groupthink without disagreement.
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  • Reply 64 of 87
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    @fallenjt ; Sog has yet to discover that concept. I seriously think he needs to follow Steve Jobs's example and do some acid. Or Ayahuasca, maybe.
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  • Reply 65 of 87
    freerange said:
    Are you as ignorant as you sound? The damage about to be perpetrated by this clown and the idiots surrounding him will go far beyond trade. One just needs to look at what they've been doing since the election - like the complete buffoon he
     put in charge of environmental issues and evaluating the EPA. He was elected out of ignorance - mostly clueless individuals to the real issues and the world around us.  If people want real change they should start by getting a good education, by actually studying the real issues and gaining a better understanding of the world we live in.
    Here you go, and this is a flaming liberal talking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs



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  • Reply 66 of 87
    Alan68 said:
    China, we don't give rats you-know-what about your threats. Impose high tariffs on all imports that can't be manufactured in this country. And PolicyMan you're wrong - check the facts. Trump had more popular votes as well.
    ha ha ha, if facts were check or mattered at all Trump would not have won.
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  • Reply 67 of 87
    All of you seem oblivious to the fact that China exports much more to the US than the other way around, therefore they would have a lot more to lose in the event of a trade war.  This is just posturing on China's part.
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  • Reply 68 of 87
    tzeshan said:
    6502 said:
    I'd gladly pay a few hundred dollars more to buy an American made iPhone. We are too dependent on China for things we use daily. 
    Why many Americans always want to target China?  Because this is racism.  
    Yep, definitely racism.  It has nothing to do with China's unfair trade practices that have been brought before the WTO countless times, or China's decades of intellectual property theft and currency manipulation that has boosted their economy. Yep...just racism.
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  • Reply 69 of 87
    512ke said:
    Here is my personal observation about Trump attacking China's currency policies/imposing tariffs on their imports...

    He promised he would do it. 

    If he doesn't do it, he's a liar. 

    But. 

    He also promised to grow the US economy. 

    And. If he keeps his promise on China trade, then the US economy will suffer greatly. 

    Therefore.  He cannot keep both of these promises. These two cornerstones of his campaign are simply incompatible. 

    You cannot be anti China trade and pro US growth at the same time. 

    Ay, there's the rub. 


    Actually he can do both, we can still buy things from US company made outside the US, but in return for allowing US company to manufacture offshore those other counties are required to buy US goods and sevices made in the US. They have to be made in the US, not what China did to Apple, GM, CAT, John Deere who were all required to set up shop in China to make their products so China could steal the manufacturing IP. I know you do not want to ship a earth mover to from the US to china, but is China likes Buicks and Cadillac's they can be made here and shipped to China just like BMW and Volvo who make cars in the EU and ship them here. The other thing China and other countries do it set up economical zones, which means a product can be made in china but can not be sold in china, if you sell in china then it hit with a high tariff. Image if the US forces company to manufacturer their goods in the US and tell them they had to export them out first before they could be sold back in the US otherwise it would be taxed heavily.

    The problem with most trade deal there is no requirement for other countries to buy US good and services, which the US make more money on. That is the rub.

    Trump may force a more even deal, if china want tit for tat, they have to stop their own protectionism activities. South America does the exact same thing, I had dealing there and you talk about corrupt, they are the worse.

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  • Reply 70 of 87
    Regardless of the president or country in question – what China has stated here is 100% normal.

    Tariffs are met with tariffs. Trade laws have always been tit-for-tat because countries are not charities. Rather tariffs/embargoes are used to shape the goods that enter your country: less reliable goods can be priced out of the market, and cost-leaders can be addressed before they kill off local competitors.

    At best a tariff can help retain a job, they rarely "make" jobs - as the price of goods will always rise under tariffs due to their anti-competitive effects, thus the applicable market for those products shrink: thus reducing production need - in the case of core business goods, a tariff will slow the economy.

    Thus tariffs are applied sparingly and with precision - a fragile, but viable, local market can be protected, what a tariff can't do is turn an unviable company into a viable one.
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  • Reply 71 of 87
    Ahh, yes...

    Wernher Von Bezos  :#

    Then, for all you sports fans:



    That's a cute and actually funny analogy. I came up with another baseball analogy, but one that was just one hypothetical game, with the following scores inning-by-inning:

    AL/NL
    1: 1-0
    2: 1-0
    3: 1-0
    4: 1-0
    5: 1-0
    6: 1-0
    7: 1-0
    8: 1-0
    9: 0-9

    AL wins, because they won the most innings.  :o
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  • Reply 72 of 87
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    igorsky said:
    tzeshan said:
    6502 said:
    I'd gladly pay a few hundred dollars more to buy an American made iPhone. We are too dependent on China for things we use daily. 
    Why many Americans always want to target China?  Because this is racism.  
    Yep, definitely racism.  It has nothing to do with China's unfair trade practices that have been brought before the WTO countless times, or China's decades of intellectual property theft and currency manipulation that has boosted their economy. Yep...just racism.
    How about India?  India imposes all kinds of unfair trade practices.  Why I don't hear Trump mentioned India at all? You need to study American history.  The white Americans have a long history of discrimination against Chinese.  
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  • Reply 73 of 87
    sog35 said:
    ireland said:
    Trump would be a major idiot to have a trade war with China. It would be economic suicide for the world. It'd be like going to war with yourself. Not a playground to test out your hair-brained ideas hairdo.

    Let's just hope it's bullshit he spouted—as he does—merely to fool Americans into electing him. I get that Americans didn't want Hilary, but boy that's little choice there. One big fat big liar and another little skinny big fat liar. Like Pepsi or Pepsi with extra sugar thrown in.
    The thing is... the american people DID want Hilary... she won the popular vote over trump... the electoral system is just broken if you ask me...

    I didn't vote for another entity to place their vote... I voted for the president... oh well...
    electoral system is not broken.

    Doing a pure popular vote would give states with large populations too much power. Small states would be powerless and voiceless.
    Yes, good thing we do NOT live in a democracy in the U.S., it is a Constitutional Republic!  Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner, i.e. mob rule, that is a foolish system!
    Did I get that right Two wolves ? The house and the senat. And the yellow headed sheep is who ?
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  • Reply 74 of 87
    There is a growing trend around the world to have products sold in a country, made in that country.
    Not in Australia. We're closing down all our car manufacturing because we can't compete with the cheaper labour costs in Asia/Europe.
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  • Reply 75 of 87
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,084member
    wiggin said:
    k2kw said:
    512ke said:
    6502 said:
    I'd gladly pay a few hundred dollars more to buy an American made iPhone. We are too dependent on China for things we use daily. And fewer Chinese student at our universities? That's a reward, not a threat.
    It's a fantasy to think the US Govt is going to force Apple to start manufacturing and furthermore locate its first and only factory in the USA. 

    Same kind of fantasy as, coal is coming back. Same fantasy as, Detroit factories that employ tens of thousands of people are coming back. 

    But I digress. As usual lol. 
    Trump should start building the wall now.   Export the stupid protestors.   Washington state didn't vote for trump so don't care about Boeing.   California didn't vote for trump so don't care about Apple and the tech companies.   Slash H1-B visas to teach them.   He needs to do what he promised or he won't be reelectef.
    Of course, you realize that for, what, 5 years Trump protested Obama's legitimacy as President. The only difference is that he protested using his money and notoriety. Most people have neither fame nor fortune so they protest with the only currency they have...their time and their voice. Do these people have any less right to protest than Trump did?

    I defend both group's, rich and poor, right to legally protest using the resources available to them.
    I'm just saying that Trump should move quickly to fulfill his Campaign Promises.    That's how you get re-elected.    Just the fact that he received a higher % of the Hispanic vote shows that his Border and Immigration policy is right.   Trump's supports in the battleground states will either flip or desert him if he doesn't follow through on what he said he would do.   If he starts compromising now he is lost.

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  • Reply 76 of 87
    This threat from China provides a reason for Apple and Foxconn to accelerate plans for manufacturing more iPhones in companies other than China. With the ongoing shift to manufacturing robots, that will not be a difficult thing to do. The cost of a robot that can replace one assembly line worker is the equivalent of eleven months of wages in China.
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  • Reply 77 of 87
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,932member
    6502 said:
    I'd gladly pay a few hundred dollars more to buy an American made iPhone. We are too dependent on China for things we use daily. And fewer Chinese student at our universities? That's a reward, not a threat.
    If you want fewer (full-paying, yes they are) Chinese college students in the US, be prepared to pay even higher tuition when colleges lose that revenue stream.  Oh, a lot of high schools rely on Chinese millionaires' kids as well for the healthy supplemental revenue they provide.
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  • Reply 78 of 87
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,932member
    sog35 said:
    ireland said:
    Trump would be a major idiot to have a trade war with China. It would be economic suicide for the world. It'd be like going to war with yourself. Not a playground to test out your hair-brained ideas hairdo.

    Let's just hope it's bullshit he spouted—as he does—merely to fool Americans into electing him. I get that Americans didn't want Hilary, but boy that's little choice there. One big fat big liar and another little skinny big fat liar. Like Pepsi or Pepsi with extra sugar thrown in.
    The thing is... the american people DID want Hilary... she won the popular vote over trump... the electoral system is just broken if you ask me...

    I didn't vote for another entity to place their vote... I voted for the president... oh well...
    electoral system is not broken.

    Doing a pure popular vote would give states with large populations too much power. Small states would be powerless and voiceless.
    I disagree, as it is now, when it comes to electing the president, small states have too much power.  When it comes to something as basic and elemental as electing the head of state, the outcome really should be based on the popular vote.  This idea of small states need some form of countervailing power in presidential elections has been distorted into a means to thwart the popular will.  Keep the two Senators per state, that is enough countervailing power to provide a check and balance.  It is just plain wrong and strikes against the very core of what it means to be a democracy to have an electoral system that can be gamed and manipulated so that a candidate can become president even if the other guy had more votes.  No other elective position in our country except POTUS and VP allows for that perverse outcome.  It is broken.
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  • Reply 79 of 87
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    tundraboy said:
    sog35 said:
    ireland said:
    Trump would be a major idiot to have a trade war with China. It would be economic suicide for the world. It'd be like going to war with yourself. Not a playground to test out your hair-brained ideas hairdo.

    Let's just hope it's bullshit he spouted—as he does—merely to fool Americans into electing him. I get that Americans didn't want Hilary, but boy that's little choice there. One big fat big liar and another little skinny big fat liar. Like Pepsi or Pepsi with extra sugar thrown in.
    The thing is... the american people DID want Hilary... she won the popular vote over trump... the electoral system is just broken if you ask me...

    I didn't vote for another entity to place their vote... I voted for the president... oh well...
    electoral system is not broken.

    Doing a pure popular vote would give states with large populations too much power. Small states would be powerless and voiceless.
    When it comes to something as basic and elemental as electing the head of state, the outcome really should be based on the popular vote.  This idea of small states need some form of countervailing power in presidential elections has been distorted into a means to thwart the popular will.    It is just plain wrong and strikes against the very core of what it means to be a democracy ...
    In which case California would "trump" every other state, giving undue power to a single one of the 50 states that make up our Republic.  Example: Without California and her perhaps 5M vote+ advantage there Clinton loses the popular vote in the rest of the country by a very uncomfortable margin, with the popular vote in each of the individual states going 29-21 in favor of Trump. In any event you are opining using a false premise. We are NOT a democracy, nor was the US ever intended to be for very good historically supported reasons. 
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  • Reply 80 of 87
    tzeshan said:
    igorsky said:
    tzeshan said:
    6502 said:
    I'd gladly pay a few hundred dollars more to buy an American made iPhone. We are too dependent on China for things we use daily. 
    Why many Americans always want to target China?  Because this is racism.  
    Yep, definitely racism.  It has nothing to do with China's unfair trade practices that have been brought before the WTO countless times, or China's decades of intellectual property theft and currency manipulation that has boosted their economy. Yep...just racism.
    How about India?  India imposes all kinds of unfair trade practices.  Why I don't hear Trump mentioned India at all? You need to study American history.  The white Americans have a long history of discrimination against Chinese.  

    You should read some history yourself, junior...it's filled with a lot of ugly discrimination against everybody.  But this has nothing to do with the Chinese government, which has cheated and stolen for way too long.  
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