<strong>Short conversation between me and de Plume:
de Plume: no idea</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that pretty well sums up his "contribution".
IMO, Monsieur Plume is simply taking a shot @ Apple for not acknowledging him as the respectable journalist that he is (in his dreams) <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Pointing to these promos as "proof" of an NY PM no-show - well, that's quite a reach, and Nick should take care not to dislocate an arm. No PowerMac action @ MWNY would be a PR disaster, one that Apple really can't afford to make. True, most computer buyers (esp. 1st-timers) don't even know that boards like this exist - but C/ZD/net & others DO know, and every scream of rage against Apple that appears on these boards gets picked up, amplified, & broadcast to the 'real' media by them.
PC racism doesn't need the extra ammunition!
So, how to solve the equation....
What if Apple announced new machines, to ship in August/September, w/ the currrent price points; these machines have motherboard improvements such as have been discussed here, 13nm process G4s, and - w/ Jaguar - show performance improvements on the order of 60% over current PMs; the current PMs become, w/ some adjustment, mid-line product: each $100-500-1000 over the corresponding iMac (ie, $1400/1800/2300 for 933/1024/2x1024mHz); iMac undergoes a bump: 800/800/1024 - and return to their original price points.
Apple trumpets the performance gains from the new mobotech: 'we're now positioned to take the fullest possible advantage of any chip in any configuration'.
The bake-off is different: each machine's boot sequence has been modified to auto-start PS7, load the image, and apply the actions. PM wins convincingly.
Even Apple and nVidia are together to make the announcent....the nForce card should be available as option.....doesn't make sense (to Apple) to have it standard on their products.....
So I would think there is still a chance to have the announcement of the new PM in MW.
so everything is happening in "August." When in August? Is there any literature/sites on this new thing "ATI" is releasing? I hadn't heard "much" about that.
[quote]Nobody has commented on my suggestion and the more I read the more it make sense to me; that if the delay in intorduction of new Powermacs is delayed until August, it is because they NEED Jaguar.<hr></blockquote>
Steve could easily demonstrate new Power Macs at MWNY with Jaguar and just announce they won't ship until mid-August. Jaguar is not what's holding up the intro (if indeed it is delayed). In fact I'll bet all the demos will be on Jaguar just so everything looks faster. Didn't he run demos last year on 10.1?
[quote]Industry sources said Quanta Computer will start producing the latest 17 and 19-inch iMacs in the third quarter, suggesting a strengthening partnership between the PC contract maker and Apple Computer.<hr></blockquote>
Who makes the casings for the mac LCD monitors? Could this be a mis-translation of "We will be making the new 17 and 19 inch HD LCDs as well as the 15 inch LCD iMac."
That would make a lot more sense. Phase out the 15" and 22" LCDs and bring 2 new HD resolution displays to match the 23".
I think it would be logical to make the 17" imac with a speedbump or not(dual 1ghz imac ) And to keep that imac with the 1,899.00 price tag. Bump the other models, down $150. Maybe to even down the base model to $1,099.00.
As for 10.2 being the hang-up for introducing the PMs - That can't be it:
As of 6C85 (87 was just distributed recently) there were no major bugs left in Jaguar's system. C75 had some major finder problems. In 85 there are no more "fatal" errors that regularly show up, only cosmetic incoveniences (non-recognition between RTF and Plaintext in clipboard).
<strong>IMO, Monsieur Plume is simply taking a shot @ Apple for not acknowledging him as the respectable journalist that he is (in his dreams) <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
</strong><hr></blockquote>But negative rumors help Apple by lowering expectations for Mac World - they don't hurt Apple.
Another myth: this CANNOT be an Apple misinformation campaign. In these times of pressure on "corporate responsibility," there's no way Apple would release false information to the press about new products.
I agree in total and it is this dilemma Apple has to address soon.
I'd like to see Apple move forward with the iMac line. It will have been 7 months since their intro' come Macworld New York. I'd like to see 17 inch iMac...cheaper prices...a Geforce 4mx, a bumped bus and memory to DDR.
For me...BIG C... (well, it's gotta be the first time he's said anything relevant in a post) hit on something there. Especially in regard of the aggressive 'Switch' campaign.
The iMac has been Apple's 'flagship' machine since Steve's return and Apple's revival...more or less. I think it is Apple's best shot (more than the towers...) of getting close to that 10%.
Given the 'Switch' campaign surely jaguar on a boosted iMac range makes the iMac THE 'Switcher' machine? Apple could put the focus on this at the expo... Be nice if they could get the low-end LCD iMac to £999 inc VAT. It would certainly catch the media headlines with a handsome 17 inch screen. It is the media darling. Maybe Apple could make the new iMac the focus for the 'Switch' campaign.
I concede the following (through gritted teeth...)
It is the iMac and the iBook which Mac reviewers, mags, net sites and consumers alike have fawned upon over the last few years and where most of Apple's sales have come from.
IF Apple can continually and aggressively shift boxes...then ultimately this will help Apple and their marketshare/profile more than their ailing 'pro' lines...
Shift volume and get marketshare by aggressively pitching a boosted LCD iMac as the perfect 'coming home' machine...then so be it. Rumours have talked of a refined iMac (the chrome arm...?)Perhaps Apple can learn from Dell how to 'pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap...' Or cheap enough to make the price differential negligable... I guess the 'power'Macs could take a backseat until Seybold. Anyhow, wasn't this up until a few years ago the traditional 'power'Mac venue?
But if Apple have an Ace up their 'Tower' sleeve...like a new architecture...then I think it would be wise to play it. For reasons already eloquently outlined by Matsu. I'd rather it come at New York and have a double whammy. Afterall, aren't Apple going to 'innovate' its way out of these troubled times?
I think the iMac LCD is quite the temptress...seducer...boost the specs, drop the price...get aggressive with marketing it to the 'Switch' camp... Even I'd think about a bump spec iMac. I love the style. It's superb. As a consumer machine...it would 'do' me...for now (until THE 'POWERMAC' turns up...)
Apple is no longer releasing new products at the convetions. They are setting special announcments as seen recently. They didn't release the dual gig at MWSF so why does anyone think they would update at MWNY? It's only logical that a few weeks later they have a special event for the towers. This is not new, the notion that Apple will release products when ready and pull away from the big shows is old news.
Now for the fun part-
Moki- You mentioned that the big tower update was delayed, that the towers released suppossedly in MWNY would be stop gap until the realy towers are ready. So, if nothing is released, is Apple simply waiting for the big boys to be ready and thus no update in july?
<strong>What false information? CNET doesn't claim anything official.</strong><hr></blockquote>No, you don't get it.
It doesn't matter if Apple officially released false product info, or did so through leaks. They could not do it either way. There are already raised eyebrows about Apple's execs cashing in during the months preceding the recent profit warning; in this political climate there's absolutely no way they could, even unofficially, leak false info to the press right now.
I think that if there are no powermacs at macworld.... (which I am very sure now they won't be)
then come augest we will have something MUCH better...
i think by delaying we are waiting for something really good... this way we would not have to wait EVEN LONGER for the next big thing if we got a small bumb at MW...
<strong>I don't remember one credible source predicting the new iMac would have G4 processors, and when they were intro'd at MWSF, everyone was surprised.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahh, except for me.
I'm sure I don't qualify as a 'credible source', but I did predict a G4 iMac (and maybe a flat-panel) in a thread on another board, a few weeks before MWSF:
[quote]<strong>But what about the iMac? The iMac has been the backbone of Apple's recovery, and it's brought millions of new users to the Mac since its introduction. Its simplicity, ease of use, and award-winning design are legendary, but it's time for a change - and how do you change a classic?
Well, first off, we've incorporated the new motherboard, so as of today, the iMac's bus speed is no longer an issue. In fact, speed is no longer an issue in any form because we are migrating the G4 to the iMac.
(crowd goes nuts)
Oh, and just so you'll know, the G4 in the iMac is 1gHz...and it's in all the new iMacs.
(crowd stays nuts, gets louder)
When we say we're going to close a gap, we close it!
This may seem odd, as we have used processor speeds and classes to differentiate between our pro & consumer lines for some time. We feel the time for that is past; it's more important that the iMac - any iMac - be fast enough. We don't want people to feel they must make a choice between a fast Mac and a slow Mac.
(graphic appears on the screen overhead:
iMac = simple, affordable
PowerMac = flexible, expandable
Macintosh = powerful, comfortable)
So, with all that new hardware under the hood, we figured we'd work on the hood, too. (big laugh)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Comments
Pardon me for being stupid....but what does IIRC stand for?<hr></blockquote>
If I recall correctly, this stands for I ingest rumors constantly.
<strong>Short conversation between me and de Plume:
de Plume: no idea</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that pretty well sums up his "contribution".
IMO, Monsieur Plume is simply taking a shot @ Apple for not acknowledging him as the respectable journalist that he is (in his dreams) <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Pointing to these promos as "proof" of an NY PM no-show - well, that's quite a reach, and Nick should take care not to dislocate an arm. No PowerMac action @ MWNY would be a PR disaster, one that Apple really can't afford to make. True, most computer buyers (esp. 1st-timers) don't even know that boards like this exist - but C/ZD/net & others DO know, and every scream of rage against Apple that appears on these boards gets picked up, amplified, & broadcast to the 'real' media by them.
PC racism doesn't need the extra ammunition!
So, how to solve the equation....
What if Apple announced new machines, to ship in August/September, w/ the currrent price points; these machines have motherboard improvements such as have been discussed here, 13nm process G4s, and - w/ Jaguar - show performance improvements on the order of 60% over current PMs; the current PMs become, w/ some adjustment, mid-line product: each $100-500-1000 over the corresponding iMac (ie, $1400/1800/2300 for 933/1024/2x1024mHz); iMac undergoes a bump: 800/800/1024 - and return to their original price points.
Apple trumpets the performance gains from the new mobotech: 'we're now positioned to take the fullest possible advantage of any chip in any configuration'.
The bake-off is different: each machine's boot sequence has been modified to auto-start PS7, load the image, and apply the actions. PM wins convincingly.
R.I.P MegaHertz....
So I would think there is still a chance to have the announcement of the new PM in MW.
[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
Steve could easily demonstrate new Power Macs at MWNY with Jaguar and just announce they won't ship until mid-August. Jaguar is not what's holding up the intro (if indeed it is delayed). In fact I'll bet all the demos will be on Jaguar just so everything looks faster. Didn't he run demos last year on 10.1?
[quote]Industry sources said Quanta Computer will start producing the latest 17 and 19-inch iMacs in the third quarter, suggesting a strengthening partnership between the PC contract maker and Apple Computer.<hr></blockquote>
Who makes the casings for the mac LCD monitors? Could this be a mis-translation of "We will be making the new 17 and 19 inch HD LCDs as well as the 15 inch LCD iMac."
That would make a lot more sense. Phase out the 15" and 22" LCDs and bring 2 new HD resolution displays to match the 23".
Now we just need some G5s.
As of 6C85 (87 was just distributed recently) there were no major bugs left in Jaguar's system. C75 had some major finder problems. In 85 there are no more "fatal" errors that regularly show up, only cosmetic incoveniences (non-recognition between RTF and Plaintext in clipboard).
<strong>IMO, Monsieur Plume is simply taking a shot @ Apple for not acknowledging him as the respectable journalist that he is (in his dreams) <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
</strong><hr></blockquote>But negative rumors help Apple by lowering expectations for Mac World - they don't hurt Apple.
Another myth: this CANNOT be an Apple misinformation campaign. In these times of pressure on "corporate responsibility," there's no way Apple would release false information to the press about new products.
<strong>there's no way Apple would release false information to the press about new products.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What false information? CNET doesn't claim anything official.
"maCworld NEW york - wAy beyONd the ruMor siteS again" which is word jumble of "NO NEW MACS" like in A Beautiful Mind
Or maybe "Think you've got a Secret? Think Different."
Or even "All your Rumor Sites are belong to us."
[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: CodeWarrior ]</p>
I agree in total and it is this dilemma Apple has to address soon.
I'd like to see Apple move forward with the iMac line. It will have been 7 months since their intro' come Macworld New York. I'd like to see 17 inch iMac...cheaper prices...a Geforce 4mx, a bumped bus and memory to DDR.
For me...BIG C... (well, it's gotta be the first time he's said anything relevant in a post) hit on something there. Especially in regard of the aggressive 'Switch' campaign.
The iMac has been Apple's 'flagship' machine since Steve's return and Apple's revival...more or less. I think it is Apple's best shot (more than the towers...) of getting close to that 10%.
Given the 'Switch' campaign surely jaguar on a boosted iMac range makes the iMac THE 'Switcher' machine? Apple could put the focus on this at the expo... Be nice if they could get the low-end LCD iMac to £999 inc VAT. It would certainly catch the media headlines with a handsome 17 inch screen. It is the media darling. Maybe Apple could make the new iMac the focus for the 'Switch' campaign.
I concede the following (through gritted teeth...)
It is the iMac and the iBook which Mac reviewers, mags, net sites and consumers alike have fawned upon over the last few years and where most of Apple's sales have come from.
IF Apple can continually and aggressively shift boxes...then ultimately this will help Apple and their marketshare/profile more than their ailing 'pro' lines...
Shift volume and get marketshare by aggressively pitching a boosted LCD iMac as the perfect 'coming home' machine...then so be it. Rumours have talked of a refined iMac (the chrome arm...?)Perhaps Apple can learn from Dell how to 'pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap...' Or cheap enough to make the price differential negligable... I guess the 'power'Macs could take a backseat until Seybold. Anyhow, wasn't this up until a few years ago the traditional 'power'Mac venue?
But if Apple have an Ace up their 'Tower' sleeve...like a new architecture...then I think it would be wise to play it. For reasons already eloquently outlined by Matsu. I'd rather it come at New York and have a double whammy. Afterall, aren't Apple going to 'innovate' its way out of these troubled times?
I think the iMac LCD is quite the temptress...seducer...boost the specs, drop the price...get aggressive with marketing it to the 'Switch' camp... Even I'd think about a bump spec iMac. I love the style. It's superb. As a consumer machine...it would 'do' me...for now
The iMac saved Apple.
It might grow Apple to be the 'Big' Apple.
Lemon Bon Bon
Apple is no longer releasing new products at the convetions. They are setting special announcments as seen recently. They didn't release the dual gig at MWSF so why does anyone think they would update at MWNY? It's only logical that a few weeks later they have a special event for the towers. This is not new, the notion that Apple will release products when ready and pull away from the big shows is old news.
Now for the fun part-
Moki- You mentioned that the big tower update was delayed, that the towers released suppossedly in MWNY would be stop gap until the realy towers are ready. So, if nothing is released, is Apple simply waiting for the big boys to be ready and thus no update in july?
<strong>What false information? CNET doesn't claim anything official.</strong><hr></blockquote>No, you don't get it.
It doesn't matter if Apple officially released false product info, or did so through leaks. They could not do it either way. There are already raised eyebrows about Apple's execs cashing in during the months preceding the recent profit warning; in this political climate there's absolutely no way they could, even unofficially, leak false info to the press right now.
<strong>I'm waiting for Apple to post something on their website like before MWSF and start messing with the rumor sites.
"maCworld NEW york - wAy beyONd the ruMor siteS again" which is word jumble of "NO NEW MACS" like in A Beautiful Mind
Or maybe "Think you've got a Secret? Think Different."
Or even "All your Rumor Sites are belong to us."
[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: CodeWarrior ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple is never going to do anything like that again. You can bank on it.
then come augest we will have something MUCH better...
i think by delaying we are waiting for something really good... this way we would not have to wait EVEN LONGER for the next big thing if we got a small bumb at MW...
<strong>I don't remember one credible source predicting the new iMac would have G4 processors, and when they were intro'd at MWSF, everyone was surprised.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahh, except for me.
I'm sure I don't qualify as a 'credible source', but I did predict a G4 iMac (and maybe a flat-panel) in a thread on another board, a few weeks before MWSF:
[quote]<strong>But what about the iMac? The iMac has been the backbone of Apple's recovery, and it's brought millions of new users to the Mac since its introduction. Its simplicity, ease of use, and award-winning design are legendary, but it's time for a change - and how do you change a classic?
Well, first off, we've incorporated the new motherboard, so as of today, the iMac's bus speed is no longer an issue. In fact, speed is no longer an issue in any form because we are migrating the G4 to the iMac.
(crowd goes nuts)
Oh, and just so you'll know, the G4 in the iMac is 1gHz...and it's in all the new iMacs.
(crowd stays nuts, gets louder)
When we say we're going to close a gap, we close it!
This may seem odd, as we have used processor speeds and classes to differentiate between our pro & consumer lines for some time. We feel the time for that is past; it's more important that the iMac - any iMac - be fast enough. We don't want people to feel they must make a choice between a fast Mac and a slow Mac.
(graphic appears on the screen overhead:
iMac = simple, affordable
PowerMac = flexible, expandable
Macintosh = powerful, comfortable)
So, with all that new hardware under the hood, we figured we'd work on the hood, too. (big laugh)</strong><hr></blockquote>