Robo, you were wrong.

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
[quote]And i think it's mac related enough to stay here, but i'm not Caesar or his henchmen.<hr></blockquote>



If I was a Senator, I'd stab him in the back multiple times. Locking that thread was ridiculous on Chrisale's part. Posting there just isn't worth it anymore.



[ 01-03-2003: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
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  • Reply 1 of 45
    So riddle me this: if the FoxTrot thread is so appropriate, why isn't posted in one of the AppleInsider tech forums instead of the equivalent of the Lounge?







    Be consistent.
  • Reply 2 of 45
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    1) It was posted here, in a Mac forum.

    2) It was posted there, in a Mac forum.

    3) It is a Mac topic.

    4) I will not go hunting for tiny Mac-related crumbs in other sections of Ars's OpenForum.



    I went to Ars because it was a nice tech-site and I believed I could push Caesar into making a Mac forum and moving the legitimate Mac threads out of the BattleFront. Everything was fine until the scheme changed. This shift in focus is going to be very apparent over the next few weeks or months. It's going to drain the life right out of the Achaia. I stayed at the Ars Technica forums for so long because Mac Achaia was accomodating. It's not casual anymore, so I'm leaving with one last whimper.



    It's not about money, no matter what Caesar says. How much money and bandwidth do you think is wasted into the BattleFront's oft-repeated, never-ending cockfights?
  • Reply 3 of 45
    You know...



    I always got the vibe that the Machaia was a red-headed stepchild of sorts- it's only now that it's becoming 'prominent' or whatnot... that it's drawing fire from Caesar.



    The ad-blocking stuff is BS. Ad views don't make enough revenue. Period.



    What wasn't taken into account in the single forum approach is that mac users generally stick together... I rarely see Achaians in any other forums besides the BF (and, perhaps, the odd post in the Lounge here or there.)



    Long story short, this is a bad move. Especially with something as obviously mac-related as that post. I hate to see a good forum be screwed by poor managerial decisions.



    (PS: the first person who pipes up about Fireside Chat quoting the last sentence gets flogged with a mace. )
  • Reply 4 of 45
    [quote]1) It was posted here, in a Mac forum.<hr></blockquote>

    In a non-technical part of the forum. One of many forums on a website dedicated to Macs



    [quote]2) It was posted there, in a Mac forum.<hr></blockquote>

    In a more technical part of the forum. On a website not entirely dedicated for Macs, but which provides a forum for posting such stuff.



    [quote]3) It is a Mac topic.<hr></blockquote>

    No, it is "ha ha" there was a Mac reference in a comic strip. Seriously, do you want a thread each time someone spots a Mac with the logo taped over in a commercial? That stuff goes in the lounge.



    [quote]4) I will not go hunting for tiny Mac-related crumbs in other sections of Ars's OpenForum.<hr></blockquote>

    That's your privilege. There's a lot of good non-Mac-related stuff there. *shrug*



    [quote]I went to Ars because it was a nice tech-site and I believed I could push Caesar into making a Mac forum and moving the legitimate Mac threads out of the BattleFront. Everything was fine until the scheme changed. This shift in focus is going to be very apparent over the next few weeks or months. It's going to drain the life right out of the Achaia. I stayed at the Ars Technica forums for so long because Mac Achaia was accomodating. It's not casual anymore, so I'm leaving with one last whimper.<hr></blockquote>



    Are you referring to when there was no Mac forum on Ars? If so, it happened. The Mac stuff is out of the battlefront unless it's contention.



    What scheme changed? The only difference I see is that off-topic stuff gets locked more quickly because there's 3 sets of eyes, not 1. Let's see . . . we've got a MWSF rumor thread, future CPU speculation, post your desktop, Apple strategy . . . that's a lot of Apple-related ventures. A sighting of a parody of Apple in a comic strip isn't an Apple-related venture, and shouldn't be in there.



    [quote]It's not about money, no matter what Caesar says. How much money and bandwidth do you think is wasted into the BattleFront's oft-repeated, never-ending cockfights?<hr></blockquote>



    All of it. But there's always got to be a toilet for the juvenile retards to crap in. I've been around Ars long enough to understand that a lot of the decisions are driven by finances. I like it enough that I bought a subscription. It's worth it to me.
  • Reply 5 of 45
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by kerricb:

    <strong>



    In a non-technical part of the forum. One of many forums on a website dedicated to Macs</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Precisely. There are no particularly technical sections at AppleInsider other than Genius Bar. What exactly do you mean by technical? The Foxtrot threads here were posted in Temporary Insanity or Future Hardware, but they could be placed in General Discussion too. The topics themselves are open-ended. You can't categorize everything under a single heading.



    [quote]In a more technical part of the forum. On a website not entirely dedicated for Macs, but which provides a forum for posting such stuff.<hr></blockquote>



    Yes, on a website not devoted to Macs, the Mac-related talk goes into the catch-all Mac forum. The Foxtrot strip is not a tangent. It is directly linked to Macdom. Besides, Mac Achaia was in no way turning into a Mac Lounge in the first place.



    [quote]That's your privilege. There's a lot of good non-Mac-related stuff there. *shrug*<hr></blockquote>



    Where do I look for mac-flavored humor? Ah yes, the Lounge...Makes perfect sense! So humor is forbidden in the Technical Mac Achaia now? What a shame.



    [quote]Are you referring to when there was no Mac forum on Ars? If so, it happened. The Mac stuff is out of the battlefront unless it's contention.<hr></blockquote>



    No it's not. The Mac stuff will be all over the place at Caesar's bidding. If I want Mac humor I've got to look in the Lounge apparently.



    [quote]What scheme changed? The only difference I see is that off-topic stuff gets locked more quickly because there's 3 sets of eyes, not 1. Let's see . . . we've got a MWSF rumor thread, future CPU speculation, post your desktop, Apple strategy . . . that's a lot of Apple-related ventures. A sighting of a parody of Apple in a comic strip isn't an Apple-related venture, and shouldn't be in there.<hr></blockquote>



    No, that's not the only thing that has changed. Chrisale used to be quite frugal about locking threads. He never locked contentious trolls by Evil_Merlin and others until they got totally out of hand. Now every little thing that isn't technical or uniquely Mac is scrutinized because Caesar wants it that way.



    A sighting of a Mac parody in a comic strip is basically the sighting of an advertisement, and a nod to the Mac community. Do you really think the people in the Lounge would appreciate this particular Foxtrot as much as the Mac Achaia readers? Do you really think the Lounge readers are the very same Mac Achaia readers?



    [quote]All of it. But there's always got to be a toilet for the juvenile retards to crap in. I've been around Ars long enough to understand that a lot of the decisions are driven by finances. I like it enough that I bought a subscription. It's worth it to me.<hr></blockquote>



    No, that's what mods are for. Mods keep the crap out to begin with. You don't need a crap forum to fill with crap. People post in BattleFront now merely because it exists.



    This all goes back to before the dawn of Mac Achaia. Do you know what kind of ridiculous things Caesar said? He asked the Mac people to post Mac related threads in the appropriate sections of the OpenForum...software in Software Colloq...hardware in the various hardware sections. Of course the minute anything Mac related was posted there, it would be ignored or scoffed at. Then the Mac forum was created and everything worked out. Now Caesar's found out just how big the Mac community is and he sees lots of potential revenue. He's even made a silly reference to how Mac Achaia visitors are cheating him out of ad revenue by using ad blockers. Caesar wants $$$ and he thinks shifting more casual mac topics to premium subscriber only sections will get him more subscriptions.



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  • Reply 6 of 45
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    [QB]

    This all goes back to before the dawn of Mac Achaia. Do you know what kind of ridiculous things Caesar said? He asked the Mac people to post Mac related threads in the appropriate sections of the OpenForum...software in Software Colloq...hardware in the various hardware sections. Of course the minute anything Mac related was posted there, it would be ignored or scoffed at. Then the Mac forum was created and everything worked out. Now Caesar's found out just how big the Mac community is and he sees lots of potential revenue. He's even made a silly reference to how Mac Achaia visitors are cheating him out of ad revenue by using ad blockers. Caesar wants $$$ and he thinks shifting more casual mac topics to premium subscriber only sections will get him more subscriptions.

    <hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, I read what Caesar said over there and find your analysis DEAD ON. Look what this blowhead had to add:

    [quote]While the Mac Ach isn't going to require a subscription, I still think it would be a nice tribute to Caesar (pun intended), to Ars, and to our mods if little red "subscriptor" flowers started blossoming on its pages everywhere.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Intentionally or not, (and regrettably since he agrees with him) that poster hit on the feeling that that's what Caesar is trying to do.
  • Reply 7 of 45
    trevormtrevorm Posts: 841member
    I am confused a little????

    <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
  • Reply 8 of 45
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Ah, irony at its best. Short Bus Driver's post in the Clarification thread is great. A jab at AppleInsider in light of how the thought police at Ars have now become overly-anal about appropriate technical topics and inappropriate Lounge material (insert coin.)



    I'll take this scrappy, inferior forum over not being able to make 'tangentially mac related' posts any day.



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  • Reply 9 of 45
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    [quote]Caesar wants $$$ and he thinks shifting more casual mac topics to premium subscriber only sections will get him more subscriptions.<hr></blockquote>



    And the nail takes a hard blow to the head.
  • Reply 10 of 45
    [quote]Caesar wants $$$ and he thinks shifting more casual mac topics to premium subscriber only sections will get him more subscriptions.<hr></blockquote>



    You might qualify that by saying: "Ars is still losing money, forcing Caesar to subsidize the technical parts of Ars with the portions that aren't completely in line with the original goals of the Ars staff".



    You can spin this any way you want, but I fail to see why anyone should put their own resources into building whoami's personal playground.



    [quote]The ad-blocking stuff is BS. Ad views don't make enough revenue. Period.<hr></blockquote>



    Yes, but it makes revenue, and the Achaia is using a disproportionate amount of resources compared to the revenue it's generating. Caesar's stance on Ad blocking is hardly anything new.



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  • Reply 11 of 45
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    <strong>I'll take this scrappy, inferior forum over not being able to make 'tangentially mac related' posts any day.</strong><hr></blockquote>"You have chosen... wisely."



  • Reply 12 of 45
    ibrowseibrowse Posts: 1,749member
    [quote]Originally posted by trevorM:

    <strong>I am confused a little????

    :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I know I am
  • Reply 13 of 45
    How is Robo involved?
  • Reply 14 of 45
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:

    <strong>You know...



    (PS: the first person who pipes up about Fireside Chat quoting the last sentence gets flogged with a mace. )</strong><hr></blockquote>



    And it's a special mace +2 with double damages against trolls :eek:
  • Reply 15 of 45
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by iBrowse:

    <strong>



    I know I am</strong><hr></blockquote>



    So am I
  • Reply 16 of 45
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    could someone (who knows what's going on) please take some time and explain it to us? Thank You.
  • Reply 17 of 45
    If you aren't an Arsian, this subject does't relate to you (and probably doesn't make much sense), just like Photoshop threads don't relate to MS Office users.



    So, there.
  • Reply 18 of 45
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by RubberDucky:

    <strong>



    Yes, but it makes revenue, and the Achaia is using a disproportionate amount of resources compared to the revenue it's generating. Caesar's stance on Ad blocking is hardly anything new.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I have less of a prolem with Caesar actually being honest then being a shifty megalomaniac. Ars is not losing money. If Ars was losing money, it wouldn't exist. If anything, it's closer to break even than Caesar likes ... and he sees a huge Mac community with statistically fatter wallets than the PC community counterparts.



    Caesar's *not* going to make any more money by shifting mac topics that belong in the Mac Achaia to the Lounge or Soap Box. He'll just going to marginalize the Mac Achaia's overall value and lose in the end.



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  • Reply 19 of 45
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Cruising for a ban? For voicing my displeasure with the deconstruction of a once enjoyable Mac community? Oh my.
  • Reply 20 of 45
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    <strong>Cruising for a ban? For voicing my displeasure with the deconstruction of a once enjoyable Mac community? Oh my.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Oops indeed.



    I've never noticed you being a banworthy type over there.



    Oh, maybe it's opposing Caesar? Shocking.





    IMO, PeterB should not have been made a BF mod. Downhill from there. How can it be expected of Mac people to post in the other forums about their mac problems when some of them are modded by vehemently anti-mac (as proved in BF postings) members?



    I posted in AV once; mentioned I had a mac. I got barely any replies to my topic, which was pretty simple: suggest a small speaker system for a college dorm room.



    Oh well.



    I prefer here, even with the riff-raff we attract (sigh)...
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