<strong>If you aren't an Arsian, this subject does't relate to you (and probably doesn't make much sense), just like Photoshop threads don't relate to MS Office users.
So, there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I go to Ars all the time (even though I don't post often), so I'd like to know.
<strong>If you aren't an Arsian, this subject does't relate to you (and probably doesn't make much sense), just like Photoshop threads don't relate to MS Office users.
Since when do AI moderator post their personal gripes about other people at other sites in General Discussion? At best this belongs in Outsider and even better is for it be locked and people to have more sense in the future.
<strong>Since when do AI moderator post their personal gripes about other people at other sites in General Discussion? At best this belongs in Outsider and even better is for it be locked and people to have more sense in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, AppleOutsider is for "Real Life," and General Discussion is for "General Tech and Industry Trends." This is a gripe about a Mac related venture being destroyed from the inside out. I think it fits best where I posted it.
[quote]IMO, PeterB should not have been made a BF mod. Downhill from there. How can it be expected of Mac people to post in the other forums about their mac problems when some of them are modded by vehemently anti-mac (as proved in BF postings) members?<hr></blockquote>
The forums I moderate -- the Battlefront, NT Mojo -- are not for Mac problems. If my being a moderator discourages people from posting Mac problems in those forums, so much the better.
Strangely enough I have no problems with PeterB since I rarely participated in the BattleFront in recent months, and since PeterB no longer resembles his old AI personality...he hasn't trolled the Mac Achaia, unlike generalsparky, NoPostageNecessary and Evil_Merlin.
IMO, PeterB should not have been made a BF mod. Downhill from there. How can it be expected of Mac people to post in the other forums about their mac problems when some of them are modded by vehemently anti-mac (as proved in BF postings) members?
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Well, I think PeterB pretty well represents the general Ars populace: A small degree of real knowledge mixed with a ton of hot air and stubborness. Granted there are some great wise men at Ars, it's not really a great place to get information unless you're looking for some general details, and in which case, as you mentioned, saying that it's for a mac tends to get people there all hissy.
AI is much more of a free-for-all tech forum. Sort of like a mix of SA and Slashdot, but with a Mac lean to it. In most cases you're not going to get much feedback to a technical question (though Kickaha will give you an answer anytime), but I don't look for them here.
Actually, with that said, I think the questions I've asked here have gotten, in general, far more productive replies than they have on Ars.
Heh. this thread had me confused for a moment too. What forum am i in?
But i have to play devil's advocate here:
Despite the fact that AI is in some ways a rival forum to Ars (at least the Ars MacAch), i'm surprised at the vehemence of the anti-Ceasar/Ceasar's-henchmen opinions of everyone who has posted here so far. I feel a need to defend Caesar against these 'honorable men'.
While as a Mac user i have enjoyed the cozy insular nature of the MacAch, i do have to come down mostly on Caesar's side here, at least in principle. He runs a large and excellent tech site, on which (as far as I know) he spends his personal money. It's also the only major tech site that is rather Mac-friendly, frequently reporting on Apple technology and corporate moves that would be summarily ignored by AnandTech, HardOCP and their ilk. Advertising and subscriptions don't cover all Ceasar's expenses (AFAIK), let alone recoup him for the massive effort it takes to run a site like that.
The policy on the OpenForum has for a long time been that technical fora and the nursery, err.. BattleFront, will always be free for everyone to use, but those who want to use the OpenForum as a social gathering place need to pay a small subscription fee.
This seemed to work fine for the other 'tribes' at Ars (NT, Linux, etc), but the Mac tribe rapidly created its own little insular nest in the MacAch, and began effectively circumventing the OpenForum usage agreement, by using the MacAch as a social forum, for free.
In a perfect world, that would be OK, but through the eyes of the guy who's paying for it all, it seems unfair. Why should the Mac people get different treatment and a 'free' Lounge, while the non-Mac Arsians need to pay for the Lounge and keep their fora tech-only. And i totally agree.
[pop-psychobabble-mode] This whole situation is a textbook case of a persecuted minority's growing pains as it gains legitimacy. Mac users had to fight tooth and nail to be heard at Ars in the early days. Finally, we gained acceptance and got our own forum. However, the price of being integrated into the mainstream is that we have to change our ways too, in order to get along with the neigbours. [/pop-psychobabble-mode]
On one hand, i think it's too bad that the cozy MacAch is being forcibly integrated with the wider computing world, but on the other had, i think it's great. It means the MacOS is strong enough to be a legitimate platform to discuss on a general computing site. It is breaking out of the sad category of 'Other' or 'Niche', and becoming relevant. We might have to change our ways a bit, but it is a great thing.
And i have to say, the general view of Macs at Ars has improved DRAMATICALLY in the last few months or so. It wasn't something i noticed until recently, partly because i decided to try venturing out of the MacAch at Ceasar's command, and i was very pleasantly surprised. I'm probably contradicting some comments i made at Ars a few weeks ago, too. It used to be that if you mentioned you used a Mac in another forum, you would be shunned. Your questions, however universal, would remain unanswered and your thread would drop like a stone. Technical problems would likely get the BF-style "build a PC, ****tard" response.
Now, however (outside the BF, of course) the air has cleared a great deal. Having a Mac and an IDE HD question won't get you beaten up by the bullies. A lot of people are quite interested in Apple now, and they are learning that having a Mac doesn't mean using an Apple HD, Apple RAM, Apple monitor, speakers, mouse, kbd, etc., as was often assumed.
There are some things to get used to, though. Out in the main forum, people are a bit less friendly. There is such a thing as stupid question, and uninteresting questions will often be ignored, whether or not people know the answer. Mac users are usually eager to help newbie 'switchers', while in other fora, newbies are often regarded as small ants on one's technological sandwich. But in the end, we're all computer geeks, and we will get along. It's just a change to get used to.
I do think of the Ars community as representing some of the smartest and most forward thinking people on the 'net, and seeing this integration happening makes me quite optimistic. Caesar is a very smart guy and knows what is going on on his site. Lesser sites and communities will follow, and it will be to every Mac user's benefit.
Oh, and also, this new policy has just come into effect, and we've just tripled the number of mods. I'm sure things will relax a bit pretty soon.
-robo
(wow.. those happy pills Caesar gave me really work! )
Update: Sorry, Eugene, i hadn't read the Sticky Thread since yesterday. I didn't see your post about the Foxtrot, and the subsequent venom.
I think you certainly overreacted, but i don't understand the nastiness from others that followed. And i can't figure out why Caesar said you were cruising for a ban. Either he's confusing you with someone else, or maybe he really is a bit whacked..
I was fed up with the way Caesar treats the whole Mac Achaia, since before its inception. If you look into the Suggestions archives, the Mac Achaia was created a few months after I raised a big stink about its absence.
It's not just Caesar, it's Ars's leadership as a whole. Almost every one of those Mac related news stories on the front page has a thinly veiled jab in it.
And imposing heavier posting restrictions in the Mac Achaia than any other platform forum doesn't appeal to me.
It wasn't about FoxTrot. It was about Caesar and the mods blindly following his lead. And that "cruising for a ban" comment just puts it over the top...a ban for what--thinking his 'Mac users don't put in their fair share of ad revenue' comment was retarded?
I tried reading up on it all over at ars. It only gave me a headache...
But it made me wonder. How is internet forum economy? Is everything holding together here or do we have a rich uncle paying for everything? I mean we place huge pictures and only limit ourselves in consideration to modem users. We have really REALLY huge amounts of non-tech discussions and half of us live outside US and aren´t target groups of the advertisers. What are we able to do that ars aren´t <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>I mean we place huge pictures and only limit ourselves in consideration to modem users.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those pix are not hosted on the AI server itself, and thus do not cause traffic for it. In fact, if everyone would just create GIFs from their message texts and post those, we would reduce the monthly traffic for the AI server.
Argh. Stupid stupid me. I even made fun of one who didn´t know how to link correctly to a picture today <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
I think there are a large number of gross misconceptions here. Let's see if we can't manage to clear a few up in the least:
1) henchmen. Forum moderators are not paid. We are also not just yes-persons sent down from Caesar to do his bidding. In most cases we were chosen for the forum we moderate because we represent a logical, dedicated person from that partiicular forum who has one of the better ideas of how the forum itself works. Caesar respects our judgements on moderation issues. We respect his rules put into place. For the most part anyway. You bet your ass I want to keep my forum the best forum I can, simply because it's my favorite place on ars and I'd like it to stay that way.
We argue and bicker amongst ourselves over many issues, and work as independent beings capable of making our own decisions. Caesar might be able to do anything he doggone wants regardless, but he doesn't, and in my eyes that doesn't make it a dictatorship. I hardly think he's a tyrant in any respect.
Why are there 3 mods in the mac forum? Not entirely sure myself. The first was in there while it was small. As the forum grew I assumed it would get second just like the other sizable forums. Three? I can only speculate.
2) finances. Caesar doesn't make money hand over fist on this stuff. At some point in time him and the other upper-upper fellas took out quite substantial loans to keep Ars afloat. Ad revinue is obviously very low in general on the internet, and to make matters worse more and more people are blocking ads. I can't say I enjoy being bombarded with advertisments everywhere I go either, but when it comes to insuring a place that I enjoy can stay afloat I'm willing to take a little branding. The more ad blocking that goes on the worse off all of these places will be. These places provide content and service at almost zero cost (your eyes, and maybe occasional interest in a product) and for the price to run it takes multiple income methods to accomodate. Higher portion of the mac people blocking ads? That's a problem when you're asking the rest of the forum members to support your place without doing your part to support theirs. Like I said, I like my forum and I intend to keep it the way it is. If one party is responsible for sucking down substantially more resources than it's producing I can't say my first thought to cut that section off wouldn't be a logical possibility. So let's all get along, eh?
In the end the forum costs a crapload to run. The mac ach suddenly got a larger following than anticipated and started pulling more finances down than anyone had forseen. This is somewhat disproportionate, so Caesar looked into it and found that a substantial amount of the traffic involved had little/nothing to do with mac stuff, but with matters that were conventionally put into the now subscriber sections of the forums.
3) how forums are made. The Ars system of creating new forums to date had been to wait until a specific topic was large enough to warrant its own forums. It was thought for the most part that Mac stuff had its place in the conventional forums. After all a mac is a regular computer with a different OS and some proprietary hardware. DOS and early windows stuff fits into the software stuff just as Mac stuff did origionally. It simply isn't big enough to end up with its own fora, and never will be (that's not to say DOS isn't widely used or anything). Many forums have been petitioned over and begged for over the years. It took 2 years of regular posts throughout Ars to get a programming forum.
4)mac hating. Listen, you're the minority. You're going to get it everywhere you go. It has nothing to do with management, the people in charge, or whatever. It has to do with mob mentality. At one point a person could be crucified in the CPU/Motherboard forum for posting about intel stuff. That's just how it is. Expect it, just don't let it get to you. You love your equipment, you have your reasons for buying it, and you don't need to care that someone else wouldn't have made the same decision you did.
We do what we can to trim down the dogpiling that goes on at Ars. We can only do so much though. I imagine people will crack jokes on macs as long as they're in business. If you don't rise above it then you're just stuck down in it.
Foxtrot? iFruit? Oh comon, you've heard every one of these jokes a zillion times before. Wintel, M$, VIA chipsets, Packard Hell, comcraP, etc, etc.
BTW Spiv, the 'henchmen' comment was originally intended to be humorous. When i made it, i honestly didn't expect that thread to get locked. But it did get locked, and then...
-robo
BTW - care to reveal your Ars identity, since you hint at being one of the mods?
Spiv is Spiv from Ars, moderator of Case & Cooling Fetish. No big secret.
[quote] Well, I think PeterB pretty well represents the general Ars populace: A small degree of real knowledge mixed with a ton of hot air and stubborness. Granted there are some great wise men at Ars, it's not really a great place to get information unless you're looking for some general details, and in which case, as you mentioned, saying that it's for a mac tends to get people there all hissy.<hr></blockquote>
I disagree comletely. The Mac forum is an excellent source for information, and when I have posted in other Ars forums I have found the information I have received to be extremely helpful. People don't get all hissy when you say you're using a Mac, unless it's the Battlefront -- where you're not going to post a technical question anyway. I think your statement shows a bit of the Mac persecution complex that robo mentioned in his excellent post.
[quote]AI is much more of a free-for-all tech forum. Sort of like a mix of SA and Slashdot, but with a Mac lean to it. In most cases you're not going to get much feedback to a technical question (though Kickaha will give you an answer anytime), but I don't look for them here. <hr></blockquote>
AI has a distinct Mac "fanboy" feel from what I can tell.
[quote]And imposing heavier posting restrictions in the Mac Achaia than any other platform forum doesn't appeal to me.<hr></blockquote>
That is a patently untrue statement. The posting restrictions in Mac Achaia are the same for all the other tech forums. If anything, they have been more loosely enforced there, due to the "unique nature" of the Mac forum.
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<strong>If you aren't an Arsian, this subject does't relate to you (and probably doesn't make much sense), just like Photoshop threads don't relate to MS Office users.
So, there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I go to Ars all the time (even though I don't post often), so I'd like to know.
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<strong>If you aren't an Arsian, this subject does't relate to you (and probably doesn't make much sense), just like Photoshop threads don't relate to MS Office users.
So, there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jeez Brad.
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<strong>Since when do AI moderator post their personal gripes about other people at other sites in General Discussion? At best this belongs in Outsider and even better is for it be locked and people to have more sense in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, AppleOutsider is for "Real Life," and General Discussion is for "General Tech and Industry Trends." This is a gripe about a Mac related venture being destroyed from the inside out. I think it fits best where I posted it.
The forums I moderate -- the Battlefront, NT Mojo -- are not for Mac problems. If my being a moderator discourages people from posting Mac problems in those forums, so much the better.
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IMO, PeterB should not have been made a BF mod. Downhill from there. How can it be expected of Mac people to post in the other forums about their mac problems when some of them are modded by vehemently anti-mac (as proved in BF postings) members?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I think PeterB pretty well represents the general Ars populace: A small degree of real knowledge mixed with a ton of hot air and stubborness. Granted there are some great wise men at Ars, it's not really a great place to get information unless you're looking for some general details, and in which case, as you mentioned, saying that it's for a mac tends to get people there all hissy.
AI is much more of a free-for-all tech forum. Sort of like a mix of SA and Slashdot, but with a Mac lean to it. In most cases you're not going to get much feedback to a technical question (though Kickaha will give you an answer anytime), but I don't look for them here.
Actually, with that said, I think the questions I've asked here have gotten, in general, far more productive replies than they have on Ars.
Heh. this thread had me confused for a moment too. What forum am i in?
But i have to play devil's advocate here:
Despite the fact that AI is in some ways a rival forum to Ars (at least the Ars MacAch), i'm surprised at the vehemence of the anti-Ceasar/Ceasar's-henchmen opinions of everyone who has posted here so far. I feel a need to defend Caesar against these 'honorable men'.
While as a Mac user i have enjoyed the cozy insular nature of the MacAch, i do have to come down mostly on Caesar's side here, at least in principle. He runs a large and excellent tech site, on which (as far as I know) he spends his personal money. It's also the only major tech site that is rather Mac-friendly, frequently reporting on Apple technology and corporate moves that would be summarily ignored by AnandTech, HardOCP and their ilk. Advertising and subscriptions don't cover all Ceasar's expenses (AFAIK), let alone recoup him for the massive effort it takes to run a site like that.
The policy on the OpenForum has for a long time been that technical fora and the nursery, err.. BattleFront, will always be free for everyone to use, but those who want to use the OpenForum as a social gathering place need to pay a small subscription fee.
This seemed to work fine for the other 'tribes' at Ars (NT, Linux, etc), but the Mac tribe rapidly created its own little insular nest in the MacAch, and began effectively circumventing the OpenForum usage agreement, by using the MacAch as a social forum, for free.
In a perfect world, that would be OK, but through the eyes of the guy who's paying for it all, it seems unfair. Why should the Mac people get different treatment and a 'free' Lounge, while the non-Mac Arsians need to pay for the Lounge and keep their fora tech-only. And i totally agree.
[pop-psychobabble-mode] This whole situation is a textbook case of a persecuted minority's growing pains as it gains legitimacy. Mac users had to fight tooth and nail to be heard at Ars in the early days. Finally, we gained acceptance and got our own forum. However, the price of being integrated into the mainstream is that we have to change our ways too, in order to get along with the neigbours. [/pop-psychobabble-mode]
On one hand, i think it's too bad that the cozy MacAch is being forcibly integrated with the wider computing world, but on the other had, i think it's great. It means the MacOS is strong enough to be a legitimate platform to discuss on a general computing site. It is breaking out of the sad category of 'Other' or 'Niche', and becoming relevant. We might have to change our ways a bit, but it is a great thing.
And i have to say, the general view of Macs at Ars has improved DRAMATICALLY in the last few months or so. It wasn't something i noticed until recently, partly because i decided to try venturing out of the MacAch at Ceasar's command, and i was very pleasantly surprised. I'm probably contradicting some comments i made at Ars a few weeks ago, too. It used to be that if you mentioned you used a Mac in another forum, you would be shunned. Your questions, however universal, would remain unanswered and your thread would drop like a stone. Technical problems would likely get the BF-style "build a PC, ****tard" response.
Now, however (outside the BF, of course) the air has cleared a great deal. Having a Mac and an IDE HD question won't get you beaten up by the bullies. A lot of people are quite interested in Apple now, and they are learning that having a Mac doesn't mean using an Apple HD, Apple RAM, Apple monitor, speakers, mouse, kbd, etc., as was often assumed.
There are some things to get used to, though. Out in the main forum, people are a bit less friendly. There is such a thing as stupid question, and uninteresting questions will often be ignored, whether or not people know the answer. Mac users are usually eager to help newbie 'switchers', while in other fora, newbies are often regarded as small ants on one's technological sandwich. But in the end, we're all computer geeks, and we will get along. It's just a change to get used to.
I do think of the Ars community as representing some of the smartest and most forward thinking people on the 'net, and seeing this integration happening makes me quite optimistic. Caesar is a very smart guy and knows what is going on on his site. Lesser sites and communities will follow, and it will be to every Mac user's benefit.
Oh, and also, this new policy has just come into effect, and we've just tripled the number of mods. I'm sure things will relax a bit pretty soon.
-robo
(wow.. those happy pills Caesar gave me really work!
I think you certainly overreacted, but i don't understand the nastiness from others that followed. And i can't figure out why Caesar said you were cruising for a ban. Either he's confusing you with someone else, or maybe he really is a bit whacked..
Hmm..
-robo
I was fed up with the way Caesar treats the whole Mac Achaia, since before its inception. If you look into the Suggestions archives, the Mac Achaia was created a few months after I raised a big stink about its absence.
It's not just Caesar, it's Ars's leadership as a whole. Almost every one of those Mac related news stories on the front page has a thinly veiled jab in it.
And imposing heavier posting restrictions in the Mac Achaia than any other platform forum doesn't appeal to me.
It wasn't about FoxTrot. It was about Caesar and the mods blindly following his lead. And that "cruising for a ban" comment just puts it over the top...a ban for what--thinking his 'Mac users don't put in their fair share of ad revenue' comment was retarded?
[ 01-05-2003: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
But it made me wonder. How is internet forum economy? Is everything holding together here or do we have a rich uncle paying for everything? I mean we place huge pictures and only limit ourselves in consideration to modem users. We have really REALLY huge amounts of non-tech discussions and half of us live outside US and aren´t target groups of the advertisers. What are we able to do that ars aren´t <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>I mean we place huge pictures and only limit ourselves in consideration to modem users.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those pix are not hosted on the AI server itself, and thus do not cause traffic for it. In fact, if everyone would just create GIFs from their message texts and post those, we would reduce the monthly traffic for the AI server.
Bye,
RazzFazz
1) henchmen. Forum moderators are not paid. We are also not just yes-persons sent down from Caesar to do his bidding. In most cases we were chosen for the forum we moderate because we represent a logical, dedicated person from that partiicular forum who has one of the better ideas of how the forum itself works. Caesar respects our judgements on moderation issues. We respect his rules put into place. For the most part anyway. You bet your ass I want to keep my forum the best forum I can, simply because it's my favorite place on ars and I'd like it to stay that way.
We argue and bicker amongst ourselves over many issues, and work as independent beings capable of making our own decisions. Caesar might be able to do anything he doggone wants regardless, but he doesn't, and in my eyes that doesn't make it a dictatorship. I hardly think he's a tyrant in any respect.
Why are there 3 mods in the mac forum? Not entirely sure myself. The first was in there while it was small. As the forum grew I assumed it would get second just like the other sizable forums. Three? I can only speculate.
2) finances. Caesar doesn't make money hand over fist on this stuff. At some point in time him and the other upper-upper fellas took out quite substantial loans to keep Ars afloat. Ad revinue is obviously very low in general on the internet, and to make matters worse more and more people are blocking ads. I can't say I enjoy being bombarded with advertisments everywhere I go either, but when it comes to insuring a place that I enjoy can stay afloat I'm willing to take a little branding. The more ad blocking that goes on the worse off all of these places will be. These places provide content and service at almost zero cost (your eyes, and maybe occasional interest in a product) and for the price to run it takes multiple income methods to accomodate. Higher portion of the mac people blocking ads? That's a problem when you're asking the rest of the forum members to support your place without doing your part to support theirs. Like I said, I like my forum and I intend to keep it the way it is. If one party is responsible for sucking down substantially more resources than it's producing I can't say my first thought to cut that section off wouldn't be a logical possibility. So let's all get along, eh?
In the end the forum costs a crapload to run. The mac ach suddenly got a larger following than anticipated and started pulling more finances down than anyone had forseen. This is somewhat disproportionate, so Caesar looked into it and found that a substantial amount of the traffic involved had little/nothing to do with mac stuff, but with matters that were conventionally put into the now subscriber sections of the forums.
3) how forums are made. The Ars system of creating new forums to date had been to wait until a specific topic was large enough to warrant its own forums. It was thought for the most part that Mac stuff had its place in the conventional forums. After all a mac is a regular computer with a different OS and some proprietary hardware. DOS and early windows stuff fits into the software stuff just as Mac stuff did origionally. It simply isn't big enough to end up with its own fora, and never will be (that's not to say DOS isn't widely used or anything). Many forums have been petitioned over and begged for over the years. It took 2 years of regular posts throughout Ars to get a programming forum.
4)mac hating. Listen, you're the minority. You're going to get it everywhere you go. It has nothing to do with management, the people in charge, or whatever. It has to do with mob mentality. At one point a person could be crucified in the CPU/Motherboard forum for posting about intel stuff. That's just how it is. Expect it, just don't let it get to you. You love your equipment, you have your reasons for buying it, and you don't need to care that someone else wouldn't have made the same decision you did.
We do what we can to trim down the dogpiling that goes on at Ars. We can only do so much though. I imagine people will crack jokes on macs as long as they're in business. If you don't rise above it then you're just stuck down in it.
Foxtrot? iFruit? Oh comon, you've heard every one of these jokes a zillion times before. Wintel, M$, VIA chipsets, Packard Hell, comcraP, etc, etc.
<a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-08-03&res=l"; target="_blank">http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-08-03&res=l</a>;
[ 01-05-2003: Message edited by: Spiv ]</p>
-robo
BTW - care to reveal your Ars identity, since you hint at being one of the mods?
[quote] Well, I think PeterB pretty well represents the general Ars populace: A small degree of real knowledge mixed with a ton of hot air and stubborness. Granted there are some great wise men at Ars, it's not really a great place to get information unless you're looking for some general details, and in which case, as you mentioned, saying that it's for a mac tends to get people there all hissy.<hr></blockquote>
I disagree comletely. The Mac forum is an excellent source for information, and when I have posted in other Ars forums I have found the information I have received to be extremely helpful. People don't get all hissy when you say you're using a Mac, unless it's the Battlefront -- where you're not going to post a technical question anyway. I think your statement shows a bit of the Mac persecution complex that robo mentioned in his excellent post.
[quote]AI is much more of a free-for-all tech forum. Sort of like a mix of SA and Slashdot, but with a Mac lean to it. In most cases you're not going to get much feedback to a technical question (though Kickaha will give you an answer anytime), but I don't look for them here. <hr></blockquote>
AI has a distinct Mac "fanboy" feel from what I can tell.
[quote]And imposing heavier posting restrictions in the Mac Achaia than any other platform forum doesn't appeal to me.<hr></blockquote>
That is a patently untrue statement. The posting restrictions in Mac Achaia are the same for all the other tech forums. If anything, they have been more loosely enforced there, due to the "unique nature" of the Mac forum.
[quote] . . . generalsparky, NoPostageNecessary and Evil_Merlin . . . <hr></blockquote>
Trolling in Mac Ach by anyone will not be tolerated.
[ 01-05-2003: Message edited by: kerricb ]</p>
<a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=mprf&s=50009562&ignore=&u=80309092"; target="_blank">http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=mprf&s=50009562&ignore=&u=80309092</a>;
not in any particular way, just that it seemed that everyone was extremely intent on showing everyone else just how little they knew.
it's like 500 of the Comic Book Guy on the simpsons, only computer related. not my cup of tea.
lol, funny to see it spill over here though. maybe we should put all ARS discussions in a subscription only area...