25 years ago, Apple's board of directors pushed out CEO John Sculley

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The CEO who famously won a power struggle with Steve Jobs in 1985 surrendered the chief executive position a quarter-century ago, placing the executive in a unique, strange purgatory.

John Sculley, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak


The CEO of PepsiCo during the "Cola wars" of the early 1980s, Sculley was famously lured to Apple in 1983 with Steve Jobs' pitch "do you want to sell sugared water for the rest of your life? Or do you want to come with me and change the world?" Unlike many Jobs quotes that frequently circulate, that one was real and not apocryphal.

Scully's initial hiring was an early example of what's known in Silicon Valley as "adult supervision"- an upstart company bringing in a veteran CEO to oversee its young, inexperienced founders.

Despite a positive start, Jobs and Sculley soon clashed over everything from the fate of the Macintosh division, to how much to focus on education, through Jobs' supposed insubordination. In 1985, Jobs attempted a coup against Sculley, which failed, leading to Jobs' banishment and resignation later that year.

Sculley and Jobs never reconciled prior to Jobs' death in 2011.

"He never forgave me for that," Sculley told Business Insider in a 2015 interview. "No. [The friendship was] never repaired. And it's really a shame because if I look back, I say what a big mistake on my part."

Sculley remained CEO of Apple for another eight years after the battle and for ten years altogether, a pretty long tenure by most standards. But, Sculley has long been defined in the public imagination by his clash with Jobs, with his departure mostly seen as an event that started a chain of events that led to the co-founder's eventual return.

That, at least, comprises an outsized percentage of what Sculley has been asked about over the years in interviews.

The CEO years

John Sculley came to Apple in order to apply his "Pepsi Challenge"-era marketing wizardry to the computer business, while also giving the company some experience and veteran expertise. At the time that Sculley became CEO of Apple, Steve Jobs was 28 years old, and Sculley was 44.

Apple's Newton, from the John Sculley era


Sculley's tenure spans the introduction of the Macintosh in early 1984, including its legendary marketing push that included the 1984-inspired Super Bowl commercial. Other successes included the launch of the PowerBook and the addition of color to the MacOS operating system interface, both in 1991, which is remembered as a period of significant innovation in Mac history. Sculley emphasized desktop publishing and other new functions of the Macintosh.

As for Sculley's failures, he was present for the introduction of numerous failed products, most notably the Newton personal digital assistant, and a switch to the PowerPC microprocessor which Sculley later acknowledged as a mistake. By early 1993, things had clearly gotten ugly for Sculley at Apple.

Endgame

As a result of PC price wars that hurt Apple significantly, the company made only $86 million in profit in fiscal 1993, as opposed to $530 million the year before. The drop in profits led to significant layoffs inside Apple.

Sculley resigned at CEO of Apple on June 18, 1993 with Michael Spindler stepping in as his replacement. Sculley, however, remained the company's chairman for an additional four months.

During that time he took a sabbatical and began spending more time with his wife in Connecticut, with Fortune reporting that Sculley had lobbied the incoming Clinton Administration for a nomination as Secretary of Commerce.

Sculley would resign from the board in October of that year, following another terrible quarter. Mike Markkula would replace him as chairman.

A lawsuit at the time from ousted board member Albert A. Eisenstat, The Los Angeles Times reported, alleged that the Apple board had misrepresented the circumstances of Sculley's deparature as CEO. The suit was dismissed in late 1993.

Things for Apple would get much worse in the ensuring years, under Spindler and his successor Gil Amelio, leading up to Jobs' return to the company in 1997.

Sculley after Apple

Obi Worldphone, one of Sculley's post-Apple products


Sculley's first position after Apple was as CEO of Spectrum Technologies, an early wireless telecommunications firm. That was a job that ended in acrimony within a year.

In the last two decades Sculley has mostly been known as a serial entrepreneur. He founded or invested in a wide variety of companies in the years since, including MetroPCS, NFO Research, Hotwire.com, PopTech, and even a wine accessory called The Wine Clip, which he had enjoyed as a customer and later decided to invest in the company.

His most recent ventures are the data company Zeta Global, the emerging market smartphone company Obi Worldphone and the healthcare firm RxAdvance.

A strange purgatory

John Sculley CNBC interview, representative of recent media coverage


Despite all of his other ventures, the now 79-year-old John Sculley is in a position different from just about any other executive in the history of American business. Despite a long and relatively distinguished career, nearly all of the frequent interviews Sculley gives are about a job he had three decades ago that didn't ultimately work out, and his clash with the man who is seen as a legendary figure.

A 2013 piece in Forbes stated that "after years of silence, former Apple CEO John Sculley has recently been moving more into retrospective mode," citing a talk Sculley had given at a conference in Indonesia, although Sculley had been giving interviews about Jobs as early as CES in January 2012. In 2010, in fact, Sculley called it a "big mistake" that he was even hired at Apple.

The timing of Sculley's media tour wasn't exactly coincidental; Jobs had passed away in late 2011, and a wide variety of books and movies, most notably Walter Isaacson's bestselling authorized biography of Jobs, had brought the late CEO's legacy and the details of his biography to the forefront of public attention. In the Ashton Kutcher Steve Jobs movie, Sculley was portrayed by Matthew Modine; in the Michael Fassbender version, he was played by Jeff Daniels, as he and Jobs had an intense confrontation that very much did not actually take place:





More recently, however, there's been a new interview with Sculley on a seemingly monthly basis, and the main topic of nearly all of them is Sculley's relationship and history with Steve Jobs.

Sculley talked about Jobs with C-Suite TV Insights in late 2017, with Forbes last October and then again the following month, and with CNBC in May of this year.

Sculley is also sometimes asked in interviews about present-day goings-on at Apple, general business topics, or even his current ventures. Sculley also made news earlier this year for purchasing a home in Palm Beach for nearly $15 million, indicating that whatever else you can see about the man, his career has made him fantastically wealthy.

It must be odd for Sculley to constantly have to answer questions about a not-very-comfortable period in his professional life more than 30 years ago.
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  • Reply 1 of 33
    I was one of those 1993 layoffs; Apple was no longer a pleasant place to be and a lot of folks who were and are far more talented than I either left on their own or got the sack as well. There was a running "joke" circulating on internal emails in the form of a JPEG entitled "JurApple Park" which referred to the corporation's unavoidable extinction. It's difficult to imagine but I also recall (in 1992) crossing the US/Canada border and being asked "what I did for a living". When I explained that I worked for Apple the response was "they're not even a company anymore". I sincerely hope that Cook won't be remembered as Sculley 2.0 but the continued lack of genuine innovation is worrying.
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  • Reply 2 of 33
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 1,981member
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
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  • Reply 3 of 33
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 4,339administrator
    dysamoria said:
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
    Compare a company making three orders of magnitude more money per quarter now to '80s and early '90s Apple at your own conversational peril.
    edited June 2018 dewmeracerhomie3ronnwilliamlondonroundaboutnowSoliblastdoorjbdragonwatto_cobraGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 4 of 33
    ronnronn Posts: 315member
    Tim Cook continues to do a fantastic job at Apple. The naysayers will prove themselves wrong over time. As they have for about the last decade under Cook's leadership. If you're an Apple investor, you continue to see great returns with several years ahead of great returns.

    Years ago when I was a newish Apple fanatic I constantly rolled my eyes when I heard the blather from Apple-haters. Nowadays I roll my eyes at supposed Apple fans.
    racerhomie3StrangeDaysSolilamboaudi4watto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 5 of 33
    linkmanlinkman Posts: 893member
    Despite a positive start, Jobs and Sculley soon clashed over everything from the fate of the Macintosh division, to how much to focus on education, through Jobs' supposed insubordination. In 1985, Jobs attempted a coup against Sculley, which failed, leading to Jobs' banishment and resignation later that year.

    Sculley and Jobs never reconciled prior to Jobs' death in 2011.

    "He never forgave me for that," Sculley told Business Insider in a 2015 interview. "No. [The friendship was] never repaired. And it's really a shame because if I look back, I say what a big mistake on my part."
    It takes a lot of guts to admit to something like that.
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  • Reply 6 of 33
    dysamoria said:
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
    Compare a company making three orders of magnitude more money per quarter now to '80s and early '90s Apple at your own conversational peril.
    ...spoken like so many who prioritize the quantifiable... From what I've read Jobs operated on principle, which is 'what made him dangerous' to other CEO (money was not his sole/soul driver), and for what it is worth I haven't been tempted (enough) by what seems like confusion and churn of mac desktop hardware design since his passing, go figure...
    edited June 2018 dysamoriaJohnnyCanadian
  • Reply 7 of 33
    I've said this before...Why America reveres CEO's so much is beyond me.

    When the founder dies, over 90% of companies go out of business, albeit, sometimes slowly... Boeing, Ford, Apple, Coke, MacDonald's, etc., are the exceptions not the rule.


    Sculley was a perfect example of this. 

    Of the Fortune 500 companies in 1950, 88% are no more!

    Only the paranoid survive! :)


    Best.
    watto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 8 of 33
    dewmedewme Posts: 1,988member
    There is no secret formula for keeping a company together, much less generally thriving, over many decades. There are an innumerable number of internal and external things that can go wrong and sink the ship despite the best intentions of its leaders and employees. We'll never know what Apple's fate would have been had Steve Jobs stayed on past the Sculley injection/Jobs ejection or what would have happened if Sculley was axed and Steve reinserted. It's an endless chain of what-ifs and baseless speculation. About the only thing I would argue is that failure is a great teacher and the Steve Jobs that returned to Apple was a hell of a lot smarter and hungrier than the one who was pushed out by Sculley and the visionless marketeers who drove Apple into a ditch just as Microsoft+Intel was starting to gain immense ground on the whole personal computing industry.

    Tim Cook is doing a fabulous job of operationalizing Apple for maximum profits and shareholder value. But I do worry about Apple's size and whether the company (and especially Tim Cook) still views itself as a lean and hungry organization that believes it still has to prove itself with each new product release and product update cycle. This year's WWDC had much more of a "refinement" flavor to it, which was sorely needed on the software front because of accumulated cruft and overly deep backlogs. WWDC showed that Apple is willing to invest in doing things right. Kudos and BZ to all that, but the other part of the story that Apple must absolutely demonstrate, and sooner rather than later, that they can do the right things and show that they are still as hungry as ever and willing to prove themselves as innovators and trend setters. Apple's mountain of cash cannot save them if they lose the killer instinct, become complacent, or quit trying to prove themselves. The iPhone is a legendary success but it's essentially feature-function complete and riding the slow train to Refinementville. It's also Steve's gig. What comes next, product or service, and displaces the iPhone as Apple's revenue generation leader is what will define the Tim Cook era.


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  • Reply 9 of 33
    kimberlykimberly Posts: 200member
    dysamoria said:
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
    Compare a company making three orders of magnitude more money per quarter now to '80s and early '90s Apple at your own conversational peril.
    Nothing in the world is static.  The politics, communication and technologies are all different.   The market characteristics have changed drivers and are correspondingly different.  SJ made his decisions and strategies based on a different landscape from the past.  The only valid SJ observations are historical ones and perhaps those aspects of SJ's modus operandi that current leaders choose to incorporate into the now.
    dysamoriawatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 33
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 7,071member
    I was one of those 1993 layoffs; Apple was no longer a pleasant place to be and a lot of folks who were and are far more talented than I either left on their own or got the sack as well. There was a running "joke" circulating on internal emails in the form of a JPEG entitled "JurApple Park" which referred to the corporation's unavoidable extinction. It's difficult to imagine but I also recall (in 1992) crossing the US/Canada border and being asked "what I did for a living". When I explained that I worked for Apple the response was "they're not even a company anymore". I sincerely hope that Cook won't be remembered as Sculley 2.0 but the continued lack of genuine innovation is worrying.
    You started off so good... Then you ended with an absurd bit of hand-wringing DOOM narrative. Sorry, but no - Cook will be remembered as one of the most successful CEOs in tech, with incredible, ass-kicking metrics of success. Things like revenue, profit, size...the kind of things owners of a company are actually into. In addition Apple continues to be one of the most beloved brands with highest consumer satisfaction ratings (online pundits aside, they dont actually represent normal consumers). That they can lead in both these categories of success is remarkable.

    Your claim that Apple isn't innovative is also poppycock. Their engineering chops continue to push the envelope in multiple product sectors and their product design is routinely aped and imitated by the rest of the industry. 

    But you want new Macs and you want them now, we get it.
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  • Reply 11 of 33
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 7,071member

    dysamoria said:
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
    Compare a company making three orders of magnitude more money per quarter now to '80s and early '90s Apple at your own conversational peril.
    These people continue to ignore the fact that all of Apple's product spread fit on a table, they don't have the lose of focus that their concern-troll DOOM narrative pretends they do. AND they're killing it profit. AND they have very high consumer satisfaction rankings. AND they're boss of several product categories (iPhone, iPad, Watch, AirPods, etc... And yes I even still believe their Macs are a shit-ton better than PCs -- especially considering my desktop is a 2011! That's impossible on a crappy PC).

    But but but no Steve Jobs!
    ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 33
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 1,981member
    dysamoria said:
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
    Compare a company making three orders of magnitude more money per quarter now to '80s and early '90s Apple at your own conversational peril.
    You're making the logical mistake of presuming vast sums of profit (and stock values) are proof of doing things right in the long term.

    Today's Apple is still riding on the success of 2007's (or 2007-2012) Apple. The success and good faith trust in Apple were well earned, via great product (as a result of great attention to detail, Q/A, and design). That value doesn't disappear over night when bad decisions start being made. That success was so great that Apple can continue to burn it for years yet, especially when Wall Street gamblers are kept happy.

    So few people seem to understand that change isn't instantaneous. We see how one government administration will take credit for the systemic improvements of its predecessor while evading the blame for the harm they themselves have done once they're eventually replaced by their successor. They succeed at this illusion because of how long it takes for the changes to be measured and reported. This game is played repeatedly, whenever the political pendulum swings.

    This is the same process happening with Apple; everyone just promotes the illusion of Wall Street value and profit margins as being absolute indicators of success and "doing things right".

    It's not.

    We already have plenty of signs that the lack of long term planning with Mac hardware has damaged Apple's installed user base in content creation businesses. We have the media slowly waking up to the short product cycle, the way existing iOS devices are crippled by progressive OS updates, the battery consumption problem, the peak level of bugs in "shipping" product, etc.

    [Please don't bother reposting that "debunking" article about how new iOS versions aren't slowing CPUs... a misdirect that has become especially egregious and ironic now that it's been proven that the CPUs are definitely throttled for claims of battery quality issues.]

    Apple can turn things around easily at this stage. The concern is whether or not upper management cares to attend to any of these long term quality issues, rather than continue to obey obsessions over profit margins and Wall Street pathology.
  • Reply 13 of 33
    karmadavekarmadave Posts: 303member
    I worked at Apple, from 1987 to 1992, and during most of those years Scully was revered as a good CEO. He successfully steered the ship out of some treacherous waters but couldn’t prevent Apple from hitting the rocks in 1991-1992. He was obviously a Marketing guy and not a Products guy, and he was replaced by a serious of disasterous CEO’s (Mike Spindler, Gil Amelio). I can’t comment on his relationship with Jobs, but like most failed relationships there is usually blame on both sides...
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  • Reply 14 of 33
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 7,071member

    dysamoria said:
    All the same bad business decisions are back at today's Apple (too many unrelated and wasteful projects, focusing on profit margins instead of product quality, losing sight of the core Apple product line, etc), and there is no Steve Jobs out there any more that will step back into the company to straighten it out.
    Compare a company making three orders of magnitude more money per quarter now to '80s and early '90s Apple at your own conversational peril.
    ...spoken like so many who prioritize the quantifiable... From what I've read Jobs operated on principle, which is 'what made him dangerous' to other CEO (money was not his sole/soul driver), and for what it is worth I haven't been tempted (enough) by what seems like confusion and churn of mac desktop hardware design since his passing, go figure...
    Then I suggest you get yourself a retina 4k iMac - what a sweet machine. It will replace my dinosaur for sure. If you don't think that's an amazing machine I'd like to know what Dell you think is better (Still runs Windows tho, ew).

    And who said anyone was "prioritizing" the quantifiable? They are a valid metric of success, yes, but it's clear Apple is still a league apart from the PC clones and chinese knockoffs. Their brand and consumer ratings remain high, and people continue to vote w/ their wallets. We can't all be zealots, can we? At some point you have to admit that nostalgic curmudgeons aside, people love buying Apple products.
    ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 33
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 30,836member
    John Sculley... Gil Amelio... there have been some terrible leaders at Apple.
  • Reply 16 of 33
    You started off so good... Then you ended with an absurd bit of hand-wringing DOOM narrative. Sorry, but no - Cook will be remembered as one of the most successful CEOs in tech, with incredible, ass-kicking metrics of success. Things like revenue, profit, size...the kind of things owners of a company are actually into. In addition to continuing to be one of the most beloved brands with highest consumer satisfaction ratings.

    Your claim that Apple isn't innovated is also poppycock. Their engineering chops continue to push the envelope in multiple product sectors and their product design is routinely aped and imitated by the rest of the industry. 

    But you want new Macs and you want them now, we get it.
    I appreciate your point of view and I admit I'm an "engineering first" sort of person; pragmatism and functional design rule the roost for me.  I still have my first iPad 1 (64GB model!) as a nostalgia piece and although the UI has aged, it's surprising just how smoothly it works: the UX is still incredibly intuitive.  It really doesn't feel like an old device, despite being stuck with iOS 5.

    I still see the original iPhone as being one of the most important consumer electronic devices ever created and although many criticized the iPad when it was released ("it's just a big iPod touch") it resonated with me immediately.  As I am back in Canada the first sanctioned iPhone available to me was the 3G and I was smitten. I'd never experienced such a beautifully thought out product (even if backups could take 1/2 hour in those early days).  I had some experience developing on early releases of PalmOS and PocketPC systems as well as early universal mobile efforts (specifically WAP) and the iPhone wasn't just a generation ahead, it was jaw-dropping.  I still watch the original iPhone keynote once in a while as it was ... perfect.  I had every version of the iPhone up to and including the 7+ but then I played with a Pixel XL (revision 1) and I sincerely hope it lasts a while because it's almost the perfect no-compromise phone.

    I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling from Apple products any longer: they've become ... I'd like to say "iterative" or "evolutionary" but in some cases they've gone backwards.  iPhone performance, especially in the latest models simply cannot be beat, but I still don't agree with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack or the fingerprint sensor on the X.  Siri has stagnated for a significant length of time; there's simply no comparison to Google Assistant. The iMac Pro offers pretty decent performance but I wouldn't dare try to upgrade even something as simple as RAM, and that disqualifies it as a true workstation.  I'm an independent developer and I'm simply not spending $6k every two years for a new machine just because I'm looking for a capacity or performance boost.  A perfect example of "new Apple" problems is the butterfly keyboard: I don't want a portable that has keyboard issues when exposed to even the smallest quantity of particulate.  I've got a ten year old Dell M6400 "Precision Workstation" and it still works flawlessly (with a very simple SSD swap) despite some fairly rough roadwork and a tumble off of a truck tailgate, and my 1950X-based primary workstation should give me a solid ten years with regular updates and maintenance.

    I get it, Apple products remain very popular and are constantly being aped, as you say, but that doesn't mean they're the best in class any longer.

    Anyway, rant over.  I respect your choice of ecosystem but MacOS / iOS just don't have the productivity plus-delta that they used to, at least for my needs. I remain interested in Apple's progress and hope to see a return to a Snow-Leopard-like environment where everything worked, and worked incredibly well.  Maybe I'm just getting old.  :-)
    muthuk_vanalingamdysamoria
  • Reply 17 of 33
    mike54mike54 Posts: 310member
    As the comment from Dewme from earlier says: "Tim Cook is doing a fabulous job of operationalizing Apple for maximum profits and shareholder value..."
    But its very short sighted to think that profits, shareholders and Wall Street are the only measure that matters. People are defending Tim Cook by saying look at profits, its the most profitable than its ever been, Wall Street is happy, shareholders is happy. Tim Cook is running this company with those goals in mind. These are his priority customers now and people who buy the products are secondary. This emphasis is very clear to see. This will not last as these groups have no loyalty, but only to the dollar. They don't care about about Apple. Wall Street will praise him today, but will move on to ridicule him tomorrow if he falters in their eyes. The consequences of this short sighted view of high profits and returns being the only measure will surprise Apple if this continues.


    dysamoria
  • Reply 18 of 33
    flydogflydog Posts: 226member
    I was one of those 1993 layoffs; Apple was no longer a pleasant place to be and a lot of folks who were and are far more talented than I either left on their own or got the sack as well. There was a running "joke" circulating on internal emails in the form of a JPEG entitled "JurApple Park" which referred to the corporation's unavoidable extinction. It's difficult to imagine but I also recall (in 1992) crossing the US/Canada border and being asked "what I did for a living". When I explained that I worked for Apple the response was "they're not even a company anymore". I sincerely hope that Cook won't be remembered as Sculley 2.0 but the continued lack of genuine innovation is worrying.
    You started off so good... Then you ended with an absurd bit of hand-wringing DOOM narrative. Sorry, but no - Cook will be remembered as one of the most successful CEOs in tech, with incredible, ass-kicking metrics of success. Things like revenue, profit, size...the kind of things owners of a company are actually into. In addition Apple continues to be one of the most beloved brands with highest consumer satisfaction ratings (online pundits aside, they dont actually represent normal consumers). That they can lead in both these categories of success is remarkable.

    Your claim that Apple isn't innovative is also poppycock. Their engineering chops continue to push the envelope in multiple product sectors and their product design is routinely aped and imitated by the rest of the industry. 

    But you want new Macs and you want them now, we get it.
    Took the words right out of my mouth
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 33
    flydogflydog Posts: 226member

    I don't get the warm and fuzzy feeling from Apple products any longer: they've become ... I'd like to say "iterative" or "evolutionary" but in some cases they've gone backwards.  iPhone performance, especially in the latest models simply cannot be beat, but I still don't agree with removing the 3.5mm headphone jack or the fingerprint sensor on the X. 
    You want evolutionary and complain that Apple no longer innovates, but you'd rather have wires instead of wireless, and physical fingerprint ID instead of facial recognition. 


    ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 33
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 1,893member
    In hindsight, John Sculley was a perfectly lovely frying pan compared the dumpster fire that was Michael Spindler. 

    SpamSandwichwatto_cobra
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