Huawei trolls Apple by handing out power banks to customers waiting in line for an iPhone ...

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  • Reply 61 of 82

    aimbdd said:
    saarek said:
    Huawei is wasting their effort. These are hard-core iPhone users. They are not going to switch.
    Yes, but they're not trying to convince them. They want the free media coverage for those who might be on the fence.

    I have to admit, I'm annoyed that Apple has not increased battery life for another year in a row, heck they actually decreased the battery in the XS against the X.

    I cannot remember which poll it was, but it was a recent one, where it asked for the feature most people wanted in the next iPhone and the top answer was better battery life.
    What? What are you talking about? The iPhone X’s is rated for another 30 mins, and that phone was already pretty good. I went from charging halfway through the day with the 7 to making it the whole day  with the original x. And the Xr is even better!
    Yup, My X gets excellent battery life of all day use.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 62 of 82
    zoetmb said:
    Weill Huawei just provided the only sensible reason to wait on line for an iPhone.   Otherwise, I think people who hang out in long lines for hours when they could wait a few weeks or order online is simply nuts.    But I'm glad to see that this incredible time (and money) waster is not limited to stupid Americans.    Anyone who gets so off on having a new phone on the first day of release has some serious problems IMO.  

    Personally, I just had Apple replace the battery ($29) on my iPhone6 and they also must have cleaned out the Lightning jack because it's once again working great now.  I expect the new phones to be quite nice, but rather than spending $1000, I'll keep the 6 for another year.    Maybe next year will be more than incremental changes.  
    Iterative product development is how Apple rolls, and has rolled for decades. It’s a good thing. The phones aren’t designed to convince normals to replace it every single year. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 63 of 82
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Nope, none. Simply not interested in chinese knockoffs running a knockoff OS to boot. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 64 of 82
    I am a systems specialist / networks administrator. I can't elaborate how much Iphones suck. Its made for people whom want to keep up a certain image. It offers no benefit to a professional and I always have a good chuckle when I see a engineer with a Iphone, Wanna be's. I'm not for Huawei but rather for Android ecosystem. Android is by far in everyway superior to Apple.
    Sounds more like you’re thirteen year old boy who doesn’t understand girls and grownups. 

    Go troll somewhere else, squirt. 
    edited September 2018 watto_cobra
  • Reply 65 of 82
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,768member
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
  • Reply 66 of 82
    I think theres a lot of byassed opinion here, and a lot of facts are being disregarded by opinions. I don't think many (I'm not saying all) apple users actually research into the hardware. I think it's a go to option because it is associated with the best. However the only good things from recent years have been stolen technologies, and the one innovation the notch is ugly and pretty much useless, truthfully I think it exists simply to compete with smasungs display ratios.

    I congratulate apple on the A12 chip and nothing else, otherwise Huawei is far ahead, in my opinion not the best but appreciate that people are so concerned with the phone they forget taking advantage of it. For example investing so much in an iPhone Xs that will outdate quickly is simply not worth it. I've bought a Nokia 8, Samsung's gearx earphones and a 4k TV to stream from my phone for £700 all new. Now the Nokia 8 is pretty level with the iPhone 8 and £220 been. No wonder Huawei are pissed and trying to gain some publicity for achievements unrecognised to the majority of public (and completely buried by Apples ever expanding attention) they own a far smaller market and have done so much for a brand who had to live under oppression from such a big company. I would get there products over any iPhone just to save money. Apple's a wasted investment. 
    edited September 2018
  • Reply 67 of 82
    saarek said:
    Huawei is wasting their effort. These are hard-core iPhone users. They are not going to switch.
    Yes, but they're not trying to convince them. They want the free media coverage for those who might be on the fence.

    I have to admit, I'm annoyed that Apple has not increased battery life for another year in a row, heck they actually decreased the battery in the XS against the X.

    I cannot remember which poll it was, but it was a recent one, where it asked for the feature most people wanted in the next iPhone and the top answer was better battery life.
    Apple could have a 50hr battery life and people would still bitch about the battery life.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 68 of 82
    I think theres a lot of byassed opinion here, and a lot of facts are being disregarded by opinions. I don't think many (I'm not saying all) apple users actually research into the hardware. I think it's a go to option because it is associated with the best. However the only good things from recent years have been stolen technologies, and the one innovation the notch is ugly and pretty much useless, truthfully I think it exists simply to compete with smasungs display ratios.

    I congratulate apple on the A12 chip and nothing else, otherwise Huawei is far ahead, in my opinion not the best but appreciate that people are so concerned with the phone they forget taking advantage of it. For example investing so much in an iPhone Xs that will outdate quickly is simply not worth it. I've bought a Nokia 8, Samsung's gearx earphones and a 4k TV to stream from my phone for £700 all new. Now the Nokia 8 is pretty level with the iPhone 8 and £220 been. No wonder Huawei are pissed and trying to gain some publicity for achievements unrecognised to the majority of public (and completely buried by Apples ever expanding attention) they own a far smaller market and have done so much for a brand who had to live under oppression from such a big company. I would get there products over any iPhone just to save money. Apple's a wasted investment. 
    Nonsense. Apple is stolen technology? Get real. Who’d they “steal” face ID from? Touch ID? 3D touch? Their A-series SoC? Their W-series? etc etc... Yes there have been other versions of some things like these but Apple did them better. EOS. 
    edited September 2018 watto_cobra
  • Reply 69 of 82
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    I am a systems specialist / networks administrator. I can't elaborate how much Iphones suck. Its made for people whom want to keep up a certain image. It offers no benefit to a professional and I always have a good chuckle when I see a engineer with a Iphone, Wanna be's. I'm not for Huawei but rather for Android ecosystem. Android is by far in everyway superior to Apple.
    You also can’t spell worth a fucking damn, and your logic is equivalent to that of a 5 year old. If you really are what you say you are (you’re not) your employer would do themselves a massive favour by firing you. Either way, network administrators tend to not know their head from their ass when it comes to understanding and recommending consumer products. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 70 of 82
    jcs2305 said:

    I visited one Apple store in Hong Kong, there were zero outside lines, unlike years before. Just two guys who would try buy your phone hanging outside.
    Was about to buy in shop iWatch4 no problems with stock.

    When you call it IWatch it makes me not believe you're story...
    my Bad Apple Watch.
    dont judge others or you be judged yourself.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 71 of 82
    Nice gesture, but the members of the "Apple cult" aren't going to listen, they could put and Apple logo on a sun baked dog turf and charge $800 and they'll still queue round the block for it
    edited September 2018
  • Reply 72 of 82
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,378member
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 73 of 82
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,768member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    There is no 'negativity' towards Apple.

    My opinion can be classed as negative is the sense that Apple has stalled on sales and I don't like the model, but Apple can and will do as it sees fit. That doesn't, and not in the slightest, devalue any other opinion on how it operates.

    The proof is in the pudding and if you have paid close attention, as I know you have, (as my favourite stalker ;-)) I have applauded Apple for every single move that I consider to be 'right'. If I had the negativity you claim, I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to support/defend Apple when even diehard Apple fans have questioned certain moves) failures by the company. 

    I simply have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

    However, opinions often ride on facts and if those facts are questioned or personal attacks get rolled into a counterpoint, you can expect a robust defence. That's what  discussion is all about although the personal stuff has no place.


    edited September 2018
  • Reply 74 of 82
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,378member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    There is no 'negativity' towards Apple.

    My opinion can be classed as negative is the sense that Apple has stalled on sales and I don't like the model, but Apple can and will do as it sees fit. That doesn't, and not in the slightest, devalue any other opinion on how it operates.

    The proof is in the pudding and if you have paid close attention, as I know you have, (as my favourite stalker ;-)) I have applauded Apple for every single move that I consider to be 'right'. If I had the negativity you claim, I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to support/defend Apple when even diehard Apple fans have questioned certain moves) failures by the company. 

    I simply have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

    However, opinions often ride on facts and if those facts are questioned or personal attacks get rolled into a counterpoint, you can expect a robust defence. That's what  discussion is all about although the personal stuff has no place.


    You are such a little bullshitter.

    You are obviously biased, and negative towards Apple. Every regular poster is aware of this.

    I posted the future for Huawei, and it is frankly the pursuit of more ASP, because that's all that's left after they stall in unit sales, which will surely happen in the near future due to fierce competition.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 75 of 82
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,768member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    There is no 'negativity' towards Apple.

    My opinion can be classed as negative is the sense that Apple has stalled on sales and I don't like the model, but Apple can and will do as it sees fit. That doesn't, and not in the slightest, devalue any other opinion on how it operates.

    The proof is in the pudding and if you have paid close attention, as I know you have, (as my favourite stalker ;-)) I have applauded Apple for every single move that I consider to be 'right'. If I had the negativity you claim, I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to support/defend Apple when even diehard Apple fans have questioned certain moves) failures by the company. 

    I simply have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

    However, opinions often ride on facts and if those facts are questioned or personal attacks get rolled into a counterpoint, you can expect a robust defence. That's what  discussion is all about although the personal stuff has no place.


    You are such a little bullshitter.

    You are obviously biased, and negative towards Apple. Every regular poster is aware of this.

    I posted the future for Huawei, and it is frankly the pursuit of more ASP, because that's all that's left after they stall in unit sales, which will surely happen in the near future due to fierce competition.
    No bullshit. No kidding.

    My opinion hasn't shifted an inch. I have 'defended' Apple on many issues from product design right through to business model. I have 'criticised' Apple on the same points. Things aren't as black and white as you might think but your 'negativity' claim is just plain wrong. Not that it even matters - as long as you reason things.

    "You are such a little bullshitter" comments (and others) do not leave you in good light but I treat you respectfully all the same. 

    Prior to the P20 Pro release you were all over the rumours of a tri camera setup and saying it would not have an impact on people's opinions. Now, you openly admit to holding off on the purchase of a new iPhone on the grounds that you prefer to wait for a tri camera option from Apple. Why the change in opinion?


  • Reply 76 of 82
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,378member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    There is no 'negativity' towards Apple.

    My opinion can be classed as negative is the sense that Apple has stalled on sales and I don't like the model, but Apple can and will do as it sees fit. That doesn't, and not in the slightest, devalue any other opinion on how it operates.

    The proof is in the pudding and if you have paid close attention, as I know you have, (as my favourite stalker ;-)) I have applauded Apple for every single move that I consider to be 'right'. If I had the negativity you claim, I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to support/defend Apple when even diehard Apple fans have questioned certain moves) failures by the company. 

    I simply have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

    However, opinions often ride on facts and if those facts are questioned or personal attacks get rolled into a counterpoint, you can expect a robust defence. That's what  discussion is all about although the personal stuff has no place.


    You are such a little bullshitter.

    You are obviously biased, and negative towards Apple. Every regular poster is aware of this.

    I posted the future for Huawei, and it is frankly the pursuit of more ASP, because that's all that's left after they stall in unit sales, which will surely happen in the near future due to fierce competition.
    No bullshit. No kidding.

    My opinion hasn't shifted an inch. I have 'defended' Apple on many issues from product design right through to business model. I have 'criticised' Apple on the same points. Things aren't as black and white as you might think but your 'negativity' claim is just plain wrong. Not that it even matters - as long as you reason things.

    "You are such a little bullshitter" comments (and others) do not leave you in good light but I treat you respectfully all the same. 

    Prior to the P20 Pro release you were all over the rumours of a tri camera setup and saying it would not have an impact on people's opinions. Now, you openly admit to holding off on the purchase of a new iPhone on the grounds that you prefer to wait for a tri camera option from Apple. Why the change in opinion?


    That's what I intend to do personally, and as I am extremely happy with my iPhone 7 Plus, I'm more than happy to wait for the next iPhone XS Max, mostly because of that rumor of Pencil support that didn't occur this year. My opinion hasn't changed at all, and since there is no data available at all on how many P20 Pro have been sold, it's very likely that the cost has clipped the sales numbers to a few millions of the supposed 15 million P20/P20 Pro's that have been sold so far. That's quite different form your misrepresentation of my original comments, which were of sales, not desirability, of the P20 Pro.

    Show me some reputable data that I can consider, and I'll be happy to change my mind.

    More to the point, you make arguments for the P20 Pro, yet have posted no indication that you would even consider buying it, likely due to the cost. 

    Bingo, niche market.

    Now that might change when Samsung delivers the S10 with three cameras; and you can point to Huawei for establishing the market, which I would agree with.

    Until then; niche.

    My recollection is that I would also change my mind if you purchased one. Now's your big chance to come through for Huawei, but at this late date, I'll make the same offer if you buy a Mate 20 Pro.
    edited September 2018 muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 77 of 82
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,768member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    There is no 'negativity' towards Apple.

    My opinion can be classed as negative is the sense that Apple has stalled on sales and I don't like the model, but Apple can and will do as it sees fit. That doesn't, and not in the slightest, devalue any other opinion on how it operates.

    The proof is in the pudding and if you have paid close attention, as I know you have, (as my favourite stalker ;-)) I have applauded Apple for every single move that I consider to be 'right'. If I had the negativity you claim, I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to support/defend Apple when even diehard Apple fans have questioned certain moves) failures by the company. 

    I simply have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

    However, opinions often ride on facts and if those facts are questioned or personal attacks get rolled into a counterpoint, you can expect a robust defence. That's what  discussion is all about although the personal stuff has no place.


    You are such a little bullshitter.

    You are obviously biased, and negative towards Apple. Every regular poster is aware of this.

    I posted the future for Huawei, and it is frankly the pursuit of more ASP, because that's all that's left after they stall in unit sales, which will surely happen in the near future due to fierce competition.
    No bullshit. No kidding.

    My opinion hasn't shifted an inch. I have 'defended' Apple on many issues from product design right through to business model. I have 'criticised' Apple on the same points. Things aren't as black and white as you might think but your 'negativity' claim is just plain wrong. Not that it even matters - as long as you reason things.

    "You are such a little bullshitter" comments (and others) do not leave you in good light but I treat you respectfully all the same. 

    Prior to the P20 Pro release you were all over the rumours of a tri camera setup and saying it would not have an impact on people's opinions. Now, you openly admit to holding off on the purchase of a new iPhone on the grounds that you prefer to wait for a tri camera option from Apple. Why the change in opinion?


    That's what I intend to do personally, and as I am extremely happy with my iPhone 7 Plus, I'm more than happy to wait for the next iPhone XS Max, mostly because of that rumor of Pencil support that didn't occur this year. My opinion hasn't changed at all, and since there is no data available at all on how many P20 Pro have been sold, it's very likely that the cost has clipped the sales numbers to a few millions of the supposed 15 million P20/P20 Pro's that have been sold so far. That's quite different form your misrepresentation of my original comments, which were of sales, not desirability, of the P20 Pro.

    Show me some reputable data that I can consider, and I'll be happy to change my mind.

    More to the point, you make arguments for the P20 Pro, yet have posted no indication that you would even consider buying it, likely due to the cost. 

    Bingo, niche market.

    Now that might change when Samsung delivers the S10 with three cameras; and you can point to Huawei for establishing the market, which I would agree with.

    Until then; niche.

    My recollection is that I would also change my mind if you purchased one. Now's your big chance to come through for Huawei, but at this late date, I'll make the same offer if you buy a Mate 20 Pro.
    I have not misrepresented your claims. There is NO data for the P20 Pro. It has not been made available. You have been told time and again - by me.

    You tried to muddy my claims insisting that there was no evidence of P20 Series sales without the P20 Lite. I gave you the official numbers of the P20 Series without Lite sales, quoting from various sources including Huawei itself and you still insisted the data wasn't there. If you refuse to accept reality I can do no more.

    You stated very recently that you were hanging on to your current phone and waiting for a tri camera iPhone. Is that what you said ot not?

    Niche market? Define niche! For sure it could be considered niche. The entire 800 dollars and up market. Apple and Android included.

    Tri cameras will filter down, just like most technology. Honor, the Huawei sub brand, will reportedly launch the Magic 2 with tri cameras next month. With the Mate 20 series, Samsung S10 and others, you can bet that early next year, tri cameras will be the trend. Honor releasing this year says a lot about potential pricing. It will only come down and reach lower tiers.

    My not buying a P20 Pro is utterly irrelevant. 
  • Reply 78 of 82
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,378member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    nht said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

    1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

    2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

    3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

    4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

    5) must be for publicity only. 
    Point 5.

    People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

    Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.
    Does Huawei have iOS?

    It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

    Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

    Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.


    Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 
    Feature lead?

    Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...

    First, none of that are compelling feature "leads" and the market agrees.  When Apple can capture 22% of the $400-$600 market with iPhone 6s and 7 against the top Android tech none of those alleged feature leads has mattered. Apple has 88% of the >$800 market and 44% of the $600-$800.

    As far as the vaunted Hwawei flagship threat:

    "In the $600-$800 segment, Apple and Samsung alone contributed to 85% of the shipments while Huawei trailed by a big margin."



    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/apple-captured-43-global-premium-segment-oneplus-entered-top-five-premium-android-oems-q2-2018/

    But no-no...Apple is in BIG BIG trouble from the Huawei juggernaut. Just wait and see. Says Avon every year. And he's NEVER wrong.

    Then next year around this time it'll be the same.  Apple sales are flat!  You are just paying more to fill the Apple pie!  Just wait and see...look at the P30 Pro and revel in the technological prowess of Huawei.

    Can you just get everyone in your family P20 Pros/Mate 20s and NOT come back here next year?  I'm sure that someday you'll be right and Apple will fumble and fall however many years that will be in the future.  Why don't you come back then?
    It would help if you read your own links. Here is a snippet:

    • The global, premium smartphone segment grew faster (+7%) than the overall smartphone segment (-1%) in Q2 2018. Growth was driven by increases in shipments of Chinese players like OPPO, Vivo, Huawei, OnePlus and Xiaomi.
    As for feature leads, the ones I gave are the absolute top feature leads. Modem, battery, camera,  just for starters.
    I certainly don't disagree that the "premium smartphone segment", however that is defined, grew faster than the overall market, which is decisively flat, but you really, really, need to acknowledge that Apple is dominating that market, as demonstrated by the data. Your constant negatively about Apple's business model is certainly bias on your part, and your "top features" doesn't seem to have impacted Apple's sales in any way, likely because these aren't high priorities for other than a few niche buyers.

    So if Apple's market is flat, and Apple's ASP is increasing, as part of an overall market that is flat, with premium sales increasing, then it looks like all of the churn in the market is within a decreasing number of units sold from Android OS device makers, the definition of zero sum

    That leaves Huawei's revenue growth, after acquisition costs for "stealing" Samsung's customers, to increasing ASP's by selling more devices into the premium segments of the market. Funny how it all comes down to ASP's in the end, something you have been in denial of in almost all of your arguments, as it is anti-consumer.
    There is no 'negativity' towards Apple.

    My opinion can be classed as negative is the sense that Apple has stalled on sales and I don't like the model, but Apple can and will do as it sees fit. That doesn't, and not in the slightest, devalue any other opinion on how it operates.

    The proof is in the pudding and if you have paid close attention, as I know you have, (as my favourite stalker ;-)) I have applauded Apple for every single move that I consider to be 'right'. If I had the negativity you claim, I definitely wouldn't go out of my way to support/defend Apple when even diehard Apple fans have questioned certain moves) failures by the company. 

    I simply have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

    However, opinions often ride on facts and if those facts are questioned or personal attacks get rolled into a counterpoint, you can expect a robust defence. That's what  discussion is all about although the personal stuff has no place.


    You are such a little bullshitter.

    You are obviously biased, and negative towards Apple. Every regular poster is aware of this.

    I posted the future for Huawei, and it is frankly the pursuit of more ASP, because that's all that's left after they stall in unit sales, which will surely happen in the near future due to fierce competition.
    No bullshit. No kidding.

    My opinion hasn't shifted an inch. I have 'defended' Apple on many issues from product design right through to business model. I have 'criticised' Apple on the same points. Things aren't as black and white as you might think but your 'negativity' claim is just plain wrong. Not that it even matters - as long as you reason things.

    "You are such a little bullshitter" comments (and others) do not leave you in good light but I treat you respectfully all the same. 

    Prior to the P20 Pro release you were all over the rumours of a tri camera setup and saying it would not have an impact on people's opinions. Now, you openly admit to holding off on the purchase of a new iPhone on the grounds that you prefer to wait for a tri camera option from Apple. Why the change in opinion?


    That's what I intend to do personally, and as I am extremely happy with my iPhone 7 Plus, I'm more than happy to wait for the next iPhone XS Max, mostly because of that rumor of Pencil support that didn't occur this year. My opinion hasn't changed at all, and since there is no data available at all on how many P20 Pro have been sold, it's very likely that the cost has clipped the sales numbers to a few millions of the supposed 15 million P20/P20 Pro's that have been sold so far. That's quite different form your misrepresentation of my original comments, which were of sales, not desirability, of the P20 Pro.

    Show me some reputable data that I can consider, and I'll be happy to change my mind.

    More to the point, you make arguments for the P20 Pro, yet have posted no indication that you would even consider buying it, likely due to the cost. 

    Bingo, niche market.

    Now that might change when Samsung delivers the S10 with three cameras; and you can point to Huawei for establishing the market, which I would agree with.

    Until then; niche.

    My recollection is that I would also change my mind if you purchased one. Now's your big chance to come through for Huawei, but at this late date, I'll make the same offer if you buy a Mate 20 Pro.
    I have not misrepresented your claims. There is NO data for the P20 Pro. It has not been made available. You have been told time and again - by me.

    You tried to muddy my claims insisting that there was no evidence of P20 Series sales without the P20 Lite. I gave you the official numbers of the P20 Series without Lite sales, quoting from various sources including Huawei itself and you still insisted the data wasn't there. If you refuse to accept reality I can do no more.

    You stated very recently that you were hanging on to your current phone and waiting for a tri camera iPhone. Is that what you said ot not?

    Niche market? Define niche! For sure it could be considered niche. The entire 800 dollars and up market. Apple and Android included.

    Tri cameras will filter down, just like most technology. Honor, the Huawei sub brand, will reportedly launch the Magic 2 with tri cameras next month. With the Mate 20 series, Samsung S10 and others, you can bet that early next year, tri cameras will be the trend. Honor releasing this year says a lot about potential pricing. It will only come down and reach lower tiers.

    My not buying a P20 Pro is utterly irrelevant. 
    Since the data for P20 series sales is all sourced from Huawei, I have no choice but to be skeptical, no less than you are of iPhone X sales, even though there are a number of analysts who have made accurate estimates, something that hasn't been done for the P20 series.

    Oh, and I am certainly waiting for a triple camera phone, which is expected next year, but what I really want is pencil support. The point is, I won't be switching to Android OS to get that feature today, and i doubt that many Samsung users will switch to Huawei for it, knowing that triple cameras will be very common next year, something that you and I agree with. So the niche is persons that will buy a Huawei triple camera, which I have stated it probably in the low millions.

    Huawei was first, but, their advantage with be gone by the end of the year, then what? Quad cameras? Diffusion at work.
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
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    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,099member
    I would take one.  I have zero problem with it.  I bought a power bank at an Apple store last year and it wasn’t made by Apple so what difference does it make?

    Would never make me switch though.
  • Reply 80 of 82
    saarek said:
    Face ID is fast, but also annoying that I can't open my phone  when standing above it without picking it up, so I think I miss Touch ID..... I'm sure it will grow on me.
    Sure you can open the phone without picking it up - just tap the screen to wake it, and slide up from the bottom!
    watto_cobra
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