Hands on: Apple's iPhone XR brings color and value to the 2018 lineup

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  • Reply 121 of 125
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,727member
    MplsP said:
    MplsP said:
    guscat said:
    lenn said:
    Unless I desperately needed a new iPhone right now I'd hold off till the 5G capable iPhones come out.
    MacPro said:
    ireland said:
    At €879 for a 64 GB LCD iPhone, I'm going to say it does not bring value. What it does however it bring the price of iPhones higher than last year. Higher and higher. What Apple has actually done in the past two years is of benefit mostly to shareholders. And the spoiled kids of rich people.
    Good news! The iPhone 7 is what, $499? "Value" very much depends on who's making the assessment.
    Mike great review ... but it leaves me with more questions than answers,  I really like my iPhone 7 Plus and wonder if this is worth an upgrade? Cost isn't an issue I just don't buy things I don't need and all I do is read Safari and Mail when in waiting rooms or use it as a phone (quaint eh? lol) although truth be told I use my Watch more for that these days and an Watch v4 is on the way.  The iPhone's man use for me is wirelessly pairing and enabling my Car Play to be honest.  Now, on the other hand, a new Mac Pro is a definite yes.  I carry my Sony A7 III most everywhere so I'm not worried about camera features on a phone either.  So ...  I am trying hard to think of a reason to go for a newer model iPhone.  I suspect once it can't run the lastest iOS that will be my trigger.
    Yes, with iPhones lasting longer now -- getting away from the 2 year cycle, who wants to sink a grand into soon to be obsolete technology?  

    Perhaps this is where Apple's Upgrade/leasing program provides a real advantage?
    Even if 5G proves to be every bit as good as the phone companies suggest it will be, there's little reason to think it will be available so quickly that it will make phones bought today obsolete.
    This. Most estimates say it will be at *least* 2 years before its widely available. Beyond that, I have yet to see any compelling reason to think 5G will give a significant benefit to the average cell phone user beyond 4G LTE. I think it’s more an issue of having a phone that *has* the capability rather than actually having the ability to use the capability. 
    You just said it:     5G will be available on 2 years.   So, for those who keep a phone longer than 2 years (and that number is likely to grow) there is a benefit.
    There's no real 5G standard in the US yet, and 5G modems are in their infancy. 50/50 in the 2019 iPhone, and I think that the 2020 iPhone is the most likely year to have it after some things shake out and the network is built out more.
    I agree with your 50/50 -- it is likely to be a selling point on the higher end phones.   If, for no other reason than Apple has adopted a policy of selling both new and previous models (at a discount).   So that, if nothing else, would make it 50/50 (although, admittedly, I don't know what their unit sales look like.)

    As for a standard.   Have we ever had that in cellular technology in any meaningful way?   We're still dealing with the GSM vs CDMA nonsense -- and the Xr doesn't even advertise a SIM-Free/Carrier Independent option.  So we may be going back to the future.   And now with deregulation driving things, I suspect that that may be even more of an issue.

    And:
    Are you suggesting Apple should wait for a standard to arise or wide network availability before producing a 5G capable phone?   That sounds like a bad idea to me.  Android will eat them alive on that -- their manufacturers can release new phones whenever they want to keep up with technology.   I would hate to see iPhones fall behind like the Mac lines have.
    Mike is exactly right. Are there even any cellular 5G modems available at this point? Qualcomm has announced one that will hopefully be ready in time for next year. And then what you get is a first generation chip. Apple has historically not gone with first generation chips for good reason - the power/performance specs typically jump considerably with the 2nd or third gen chips. 

    As for your standards argument, GSM vs CDMA is a completely different issue and a false comparison. 

    As I said in the past, the availability of mobile 5G is currently non-existant for all intents and purposes and will hopefully be coming next year, if you believe the carriers’ timelines. That’s a big if. Actual performance remains to be seen and true demand is also an unknown. Any manufacturer making the jump to 5G at this point is taking a significant risk that the performance, compatibility and demand will actually justify the cost of the equipment, development and licensing.
    Your arguments hold weight if you're buying a phone to keep for a year or so.   Less so if you're buying for the longer term.

    It may be true that we won't have either 5G or 5G modems a year from now.   Or, it may not.  Right now, either is speculation -- but we know that they're on their way.  There is as much reason to expect the first editions in 12 months as in 24 or 36.  

    But to buy a phone without it once it's available would be as dumb as buying a phone with 4G after LTE was available.   Maybe worse if the hype is accurate.
    The only people for whom this might be an issue are those who have to buy a phone after some sort of 5G modem becomes available and before Apple includes it. I would wager that most of these people are in the rapid- upgrade camp, and get a new phone every two years ago. For the remainder, waiting another year likely won’t matter. 

    Regardless, I think you have things backwards. The benefit of 5G over LTE for most cel phone users is going to be minimal, if any. 3G to 4G was a much bigger jump in terms of usability. 

    Like strangesays says, there is also a significant benefit to not being an early adopter and waiting until the standards and technology have stabilized. 
  • Reply 122 of 125
    ireland said:
    airnerd said:
    ireland said:
    ireland said:
    At €879 for a 64 GB LCD iPhone, I'm going to say it does not bring value. What it does however it bring the price of iPhones higher than last year. Higher and higher. What Apple has actually done in the past two years is of benefit mostly to shareholders. And the spoiled kids of rich people.
    Good news! The iPhone 7 is what, $499? "Value" very much depends on who's making the assessment.
    Actually, that two year old 32 GB iPhone starts at €539 here. But I’m clearly talking about new iPhones continually increasing in price. And the reality is at a certain point value doesn’t depends on who’s asking. €50 toilet roll is €50 toilet roll, and a new LCD phone that starts at almost €900 starts at almost €900. Shareholders, apologists, people with a lot of money and Apple bloggers—very few other people defend these price increases. It’s telling that Apple execs are all multi-millionaires. I’m not denying Apple make good hardware, I’m just pointing an awareness to the reality of new iPhones continually increasing in price.
    Inflation is a thing.  You know gas, bread, milk, etc all cost more each year as well.
    Give me a fecking break ffs.

  • Reply 123 of 125
    Madtiger said:
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    Madtiger said:
    I have a 4K smart TV that cost me about half what I paid for my first flat screen TV. Apple’s iPhone are more expensive because they can be. Apple knows most people aren’t buying the phone outright but paying over time. Adding $200 to the price of the phone doesn’t add that much to a monthly payment.
    Oh man that’s so boneheaded. You must not work with technology... A TV is way less complicated than a minuturized computer. Most TVs are the same commodity panels and little more, while iphones have tons of tech and new layers and things every year.
    So how is Apple able to sell a brand new iPad for $329? How were they able to sell new phones in the past without raising the price? How come the 2010 MacBook Air was better and cheaper than the 2008 model?  
    IPad $329 comes with some compromises...non-laminated display (less anti-reflection) and 2 years old processor.  And this is why iPad Pro is so much more expensive.
    What compromises did the 2010 MacBook Air have over the 2008 model? If a new retina MacBook is announced next week do you think it should be more expensive than the current model? Because some here seem to be arguing that when Apple introduces a new product it should be more expensive than the product it’s replacing.
    But then again, Apple kept the price exactly the same with the 2018 iPhone Xs vs. 2017 X...despite Xs having superior camera and chipset...and other smaller improvements.  So, how do you explain that?  
    I explain that the way Apple improved the iPhone with Retina display, Touch ID, 3D Touch and always improving SoC but the price not increasing. Of course that was back in the day when iPhone sales growth was still huge. 
    Well, why is Xs same price yet every other tech company (Oneplus, Samsung, etc) have increased their prices year over year?  
    Because the X was already more expensive than the competition?
    I don’t know...Pixel, Samsung, LG, etc. are all within $100 dollars of X last year...and yet, all of them increased their price with their replacement.
  • Reply 124 of 125
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member

    Madtiger said:
    I have a 4K smart TV that cost me about half what I paid for my first flat screen TV. Apple’s iPhone are more expensive because they can be. Apple knows most people aren’t buying the phone outright but paying over time. Adding $200 to the price of the phone doesn’t add that much to a monthly payment.
    Oh man that’s so boneheaded. You must not work with technology... A TV is way less complicated than a minuturized computer. Most TVs are the same commodity panels and little more, while iphones have tons of tech and new layers and things every year.
    So how is Apple able to sell a brand new iPad for $329? How were they able to sell new phones in the past without raising the price? How come the 2010 MacBook Air was better and cheaper than the 2008 model?  
    IPad $329 comes with some compromises...non-laminated display (less anti-reflection) and 2 years old processor.  And this is why iPad Pro is so much more expensive.
    What compromises did the 2010 MacBook Air have over the 2008 model? If a new retina MacBook is announced next week do you think it should be more expensive than the current model? Because some here seem to be arguing that when Apple introduces a new product it should be more expensive than the product it’s replacing.
    As of right now, a MS Surface Laptop 2 with 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, Core i5 quad-core CPU, and a 13.5" 201PPI PixelSense Display goes for $999 USD.  That is the base model.  That is the level of specs & price Apple should look at to be competitive.
    What is Microsoft attempting to compete with with that laptop? I’ve always thought Microsoft priced their hardware so as to not take much share from its OEMs. And to give the appearance of being a premium device. Who is the target with a $999 Apple laptop? Seems expensive for schools and students. Or are they supposed to use iPads?
    MS has always been clear, if you watch their product keynotes, that they compete with Apple's product lineup, be it iPad Pro or MBA / MBP.  As far as the target for a $999 Apple laptop, it's mostly Grade 11 / 12 / post-secondary students. Here's a great article from someone that works in deploying / maintaining IT infrastructure in an education setting:

    https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/27/the-laptop-i-hope-apple-announces-at-upcoming-event/
    That's a good article.
    I think it can be summarized with:   "This Apple Mac product is good, BUT..."   and "That Apple Mac product is good, BUT...."

    And this is not some finicky elitist saying "but...".    It is a knowledgeable IT pro raising serious concerns.

    We know the Apple of yesterday would have done better.
    And we know that the Apple of today can do better.
    ... I am hoping that it will.   I believe that it will.
    elijahg
  • Reply 125 of 125
    Can't do the video man. The bros, Max and Vadim...amateur hour. Andrew is smart and just does voice-overs.

    Let's get some people that speak clearly, absent of accent or disability?

    I follow the writing of Mike, Dan...it's powerful and connected. 

    I like this site, I've been a reader and follower for a few years...but dude, it can be wayyyy better.
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