Qualcomm urging Chinese courts to extend sales ban to iPhone XS & XR

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Qualcomm is attempting to extend the iPhone ban in China, and is in the process of filing additional lawsuits in the courts to extend the iPhone sales restriction to Apple's latest hardware releases.

Apple iPhone XS and XR


"We plan to use the same patents to file suit against the three new iPhone models," a lawyer acting on behalf of Qualcomm told the Financial Times. The patents behind the original injunction earlier this week relate to photo editing and managing apps with a touchscreen.

Apple is not only appealing that injunction but continuing sales as normal, contending that it doesn't apply to devices preloaded with iOS 12 -- something even models like the iPhone 7 now come with. Qualcomm disagrees with that position.

In either case Monday's injunction was only directed at devices leading up to 2017's iPhone X. It isn't precisely clear what percentage of Apple's sales in China are pre-2018 models, but analysts have postulated between 20 percent and as high as 50 percent are the iPhone 8 and earlier.

The acrimony between Apple and Qualcomm extends back to at lest January 2017, when Apple filed a $1 billion lawsuit over patent royalty rebates, claiming Qualcomm withheld them as retaliation for cooperation with antitrust investigations. The battle quickly escalated, resulting in suits and countersuits around the world. In September, Qualcomm accused Apple of handing trade secrets to Intel to improve the performance of modems.

An August settlement over similar matters saw Qualcomm pay $93 million in fines to Taiwan and promise to invest $700 million in the country over five years.

Some investors have expressed fears about the new ban, which could affect Apple's already volatile stock coping with worries about 2018 iPhone sales and the U.S.-China trade war. The U.S. International Trade Commission is meanwhile reviewing a previous ruling and could theoretically allow a U.S. ban.
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  • Reply 1 of 25
    metrixmetrix Posts: 244member
    I thought I hated Samsung Bad News Bears more but I'm starting to reconsider
    fallenjtlovemn
  • Reply 2 of 25
    rcfarcfa Posts: 750member
    Apple should just make a hostile takeover of Qualcomm, fire the entire management without golden parachutes, sell off the assets, hire key personnel, and liquidate the rest.

    That would give the kind of signal that would stop this sort of nonsense.
    edited December 2018 berndogmac_dogviclauyycbrisancewatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 25

    rcfa said:
    Apple should just make a hostile takeover of Qualcomm, fire the entire management without golden parachutes, sell off the assets, hire key personnel, and liquidate the rest.

    That would give the kind of signal that would stop this sort of nonsense.

    Would take year + to buy and likely would never pass anti-trust review of US, EU and/or China  

    mwhitetyler82gilly33
  • Reply 4 of 25
    LOL 

    Qualcomm is being sued by the FTC and EU for anti-trust.   They had to settle with South Korea at cost of $700 for monopoly charges 

    Apple has the upper hand when this goes to trail in the US in April.   Especially so if this China "band" gets reversed.  Qualcomm is going to look completely foolish if it is, after issuing all these statements  

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 25
    rcfa said:
    Apple should just make a hostile takeover of Qualcomm, fire the entire management without golden parachutes, sell off the assets, hire key personnel, and liquidate the rest.

    That would give the kind of signal that would stop this sort of nonsense.
    Why? Too expensive funancially and pr wise... it is better to wait it out. With that behavior, Q will be belly up in no time.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 25
    jdgazjdgaz Posts: 342member
    I guess I am a bit confused. These so called patents "relate to photo editing and managing apps with a touchscreen.". I just find it hard to believe that anyone other than apple would own rights to managing apps with a touchscreen. As for photo editing I just can't even recall Qualcomm ever being in that area.
    berndogwatto_cobrabadmonk
  • Reply 7 of 25
    rcfa said:
    Apple should just make a hostile takeover of Qualcomm, fire the entire management without golden parachutes, sell off the assets, hire key personnel, and liquidate the rest.

    That would give the kind of signal that would stop this sort of nonsense.

    Yeah and the 30,000 employees with families, pensions, savings, health care, and the collateral effect on the economy be damned. Just because you want to throw a hissy fit. 
    edited December 2018 StrangeDaysavon b7
  • Reply 8 of 25
    Can someone who has an iPhone still running iOS 11 confirm something for me?

    If you do the short swipe up from the bottom while you are in an app, to get to the the multi-card view that shows recently used apps that you can scroll through horizontally, does the card for the app you were originally in appear in full in the center of the screen? Or does only part of it show, on the right side of the screen?

    This is important for one of the patent claims at issue.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 25
    This is borderline treason. Certainly not in the spirit of “America First!” that Trump keeps asserting. 
    berndogwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 25
    unless i am reading all of these articles wrong the ban is on a feature of ios 11.  So since no new phones ship with ios 11 there is in fact no ban on sales.  If i were apple i would sue these "media" outlets for reporting facts which are not actually factual to stir the marget decrease stock prices so the big brokerages can buy in cheap... or maybe apple likes the negativity knowing they will prove everyone wrong when earnings come so they can repurchase shares and retire them at a cheaper price.  Either way to me this story is not news at all. 
    berndogwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 25
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,023member
    unless i am reading all of these articles wrong the ban is on a feature of ios 11.  So since no new phones ship with ios 11 there is in fact no ban on sales. 
    The articles you've been reading could be wrong, based on a misunderstanding. Things should be a little clearer a week from now. 
    edited December 2018
  • Reply 12 of 25
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 1,808member
    This would not have happened if US blessed earlier buy out of Qualcomm by Broadcomm. Other venue is develop own 5G/4G/ baseband chip like Intel did and not only use in iPhones but also sell at cost to every phone manufacturers.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 25
    unless i am reading all of these articles wrong the ban is on a feature of ios 11.  So since no new phones ship with ios 11 there is in fact no ban on sales.  If i were apple i would sue these "media" outlets for reporting facts which are not actually factual to stir the marget decrease stock prices so the big brokerages can buy in cheap... or maybe apple likes the negativity knowing they will prove everyone wrong when earnings come so they can repurchase shares and retire them at a cheaper price.  Either way to me this story is not news at all. 
    The ban doesn't apply only to iPhones running iOS 11. I think Apple thinks it should only apply to such iPhones. But, as written, the order applies to the older iPhone models regardless of what version of iOS they are running.

    I'm trying to figure out know whether Apple designed around the claims at issue in iOS 12. If it did, then it should be able to get the order modified to not cover older models running iOS 12.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 25
    carnegie said:
    Can someone who has an iPhone still running iOS 11 confirm something for me?

    If you do the short swipe up from the bottom while you are in an app, to get to the the multi-card view that shows recently used apps that you can scroll through horizontally, does the card for the app you were originally in appear in full in the center of the screen? Or does only part of it show, on the right side of the screen?

    This is important for one of the patent claims at issue.
    The card for the current app appears on the right mostly off screen. About one quarter to one third of the card is visible on the screen. iPhone X with iOS 11.4.1.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 25

    rcfa said:
    Apple should just make a hostile takeover of Qualcomm, fire the entire management without golden parachutes, sell off the assets, hire key personnel, and liquidate the rest.

    That would give the kind of signal that would stop this sort of nonsense.
    Nope. I say let them die, while Apple builds its own 5G chips. 
    Qualcomm is losing its mind.   XR and XS use Intel chips. 
    They can’t even get the old iPhones with Qualcomm chips banned with iOS 12. 

    edited December 2018 watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 25
    MacProMacPro Posts: 17,998member
    Hopefully if/when Apple win they can hit Qualcomm with a massive counter claim for damages.
    edited December 2018 watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 25
    red oak said:
    LOL 

    Qualcomm is being sued by the FTC and EU for anti-trust.   They had to settle with South Korea at cost of $700 for monopoly charges 

    Apple has the upper hand when this goes to trail in the US in April.   Especially so if this China "band" gets reversed.  Qualcomm is going to look completely foolish if it is, after issuing all these statements  

    Well they’re thinking we got a favorable decision on the other handsets so let’s go after the newest models. They are definitely out for blood going after Apple’s bottom line. I don’t know enough to wager a guess how this is going to go but  Apple’s lawyers better come out blasting cause things can go south on this one. 
  • Reply 18 of 25
    jdgaz said:
    I guess I am a bit confused. These so called patents "relate to photo editing and managing apps with a touchscreen.". I just find it hard to believe that anyone other than apple would own rights to managing apps with a touchscreen. As for photo editing I just can't even recall Qualcomm ever being in that area.
    It is a little weird. Apparently Qualcomm has patents related to resizing of images and something to do with navigation apps.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 25
    jdgaz said:
    I guess I am a bit confused. These so called patents "relate to photo editing and managing apps with a touchscreen.". I just find it hard to believe that anyone other than apple would own rights to managing apps with a touchscreen. As for photo editing I just can't even recall Qualcomm ever being in that area.
    This is more evidence of the problem with silly patents for ideas in computing, rather than actual implementations (code), which are already protected via copyright. I doubt Apple’s implementation uses stolen code, even if it has similar ideas such as pinch/zoom or whatever. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 25
    Usual Reuter’s trying to paint pictures based on any facts they can try and twist against American tech conoanies
    watto_cobra
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