How the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max will fare against the Samsung Galaxy S10

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  • Reply 21 of 50
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 1,285member
    Doesn’t matter what the S10 has for a processor (which will obviously be slower than the A12 anyway).

    It’s running an inferior OS, and will therefore always be inferior.
    They forgot to mention the part about Android and Chrome tracking you everywhere you go
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 50
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    30 carriers...mostly in China?  Lol
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 50
    Oh look today, yet another huge carrier dumping Huawei: https://news.sky.com/story/vodafone-pauses-huawei-use-in-europe-networks-over-security-row-11617382

    Those 30 carrier deals number is shrinking pretty fast! LOL
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 50
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,634member
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 50
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,438member
    MplsP said:
    Doesn’t matter what the S10 has for a processor (which will obviously be slower than the A12 anyway).

    It’s running an inferior OS, and will therefore always be inferior.
    They forgot to mention the part about Android and Chrome tracking you everywhere you go
    ...and TMobile, and ATT, and Verizon, and Vodaphone, and ...
    don't stop there. You were doing good.

    If you have a carrier you're being tracked everywhere you go, iOS or Android. In the case of Google it might be for a potential ad unless you've opted out. The carriers may be doing other stuff with it. Should always keep that in mind if you don't want records of where you've been. 
  • Reply 26 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    Madtiger said:
    Oh look today, yet another huge carrier dumping Huawei: https://news.sky.com/story/vodafone-pauses-huawei-use-in-europe-networks-over-security-row-11617382

    Those 30 carrier deals number is shrinking pretty fast! LOL
    Vofafone is pausing investment in core network gear until governments clarify their position. Total politics. Nothing to do with the equipment itself. Quite logical don't you think?
  • Reply 27 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
  • Reply 28 of 50
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,634member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

    I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

    As for the modem, again, so what.
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 50
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    It is amazing how one can believe every word in a presentation from a Chinese corporation that is world renown in Android world for cheating......and then calling cheating “AI”.  LOL
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    It is amazing how one can believe every word in a presentation from a Chinese corporation that is world renown in Android world for cheating......and then calling cheating “AI”.  LOL
    So you think what they presented isn't true?
  • Reply 31 of 50
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    It is amazing how one can believe every word in a presentation from a Chinese corporation that is world renown in Android world for cheating......and then calling cheating “AI”.  LOL
    So you think what they presented isn't true?
    Like their claims about the Kirin 980, yeah, i take what they say with a HUGE GRAIN OF BS SALT.  

    But don’t let me slow you down on your chinese propaganda here on this forum.  You seem so happy everytime you write about Huawei...i can almost see the glimmer in your eyes....
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 50
    Doesn’t matter what the S10 has for a processor (which will obviously be slower than the A12 anyway).

    It’s running an inferior OS, and will therefore always be inferior.
    How is Android inferior it's the most popular OS in the world, surely that say it all?

    The article puts android easily ahead and I would say some of the iOS wins are dubious too:
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-vs-ios/
    edited January 25
  • Reply 33 of 50
    saltyzip said:
    Doesn’t matter what the S10 has for a processor (which will obviously be slower than the A12 anyway).

    It’s running an inferior OS, and will therefore always be inferior.
    How is Android inferior it's the most popular OS in the world, surely that say it all?

    The article puts android easily ahead and I would say some of the iOS wins are dubious too:
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-vs-ios/
    So being popular says it all?  Not the fact that Android is popular because it is in every cheap phone sold worldwide including 3rd world nations?

    But if it is so darn popular, then why do DEVELOPERS and 3rd party accessory makers all favor iOS?  Why is CarPlay favored over Android in luxury brands (or any whole auto industry)?  Why do businesses favor iOS?

    iOS is superior where it counts...productivity, ease of use, gaming, security, and long term support. 

    Digital trends is a joke...but have go at it dude
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

    I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

    As for the modem, again, so what.
    It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

    'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

    That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

    The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.
  • Reply 35 of 50
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,634member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

    I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

    As for the modem, again, so what.
    It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

    'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

    That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

    The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.
    Here's an example of China attempting to subvert laws regarding U.S. Technology transfer;

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25364/boeing-nixes-satellite-deal-amid-concerns-the-u-s-buyer-was-a-chinese-government-front?iid=sr-link5

    Boeing says it has canceled a controversial satellite order from a U.S.-based startup, which had received the bulk of its funding from a Chinese-government owned financial company. The deal, which critics warned could give China access to sensitive technology, comes amid a period of especially acrimonious relations between Washington and Beijing over a host of issues, including industrial espionage and intellectual property theft.

    The Chicago-headquartered aerospace company announced its decision, which it said was only because of non-payment on the part of the customer, to nix the deal, worth more than $200 million, on Dec. 6, 2018. Two days earlier, the Wall Street Journal had published an expose detailing the links between the official buyer, Global IP, and a string of Chinese government operated entities and individuals with significant connections to China’s Communist Party and military establishment.

    “When we resigned over a year ago, we informed Boeing of the reasons for our decision,” Emil Youssefzadeh, one of Global IP’s founders, told the Journal, referring to concerns about China's involvement and a hope that the company would be able to shake off worrisome Chinese government influence. “It’s unfortunate that this did not happen at the time.”   

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-maneuvers-to-snag-top-secret-boeing-satellite-technology-1543943490?&mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline

    There is no Corporation with independence of the Chinese Government, the Communist Party, or the PLA, hence why this deal fell through, and the many democracies that are banning Huawei telecom. Your naivete about National Security concerns isn't winning you any arguments.

    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 50
    “...the US also points more generally to China's National Intelligence Law passed in 2017that says organisations must "support, co-operate with and collaborate in national intelligence work".

    THIS is the biggest problem. No matter what Huawei/ZTE says, it is by law that they MUST cooperate with China’s government in intelligence of their own citizen BUT also foreign bodies.
    —————————
    Article 7 stipulates that “any organization or citizen shall support, assist, and cooperate with state intelligence work according to law.” 

    Article 11: National intelligence work institutions shall lawfully collect and process relevant intelligences on foreign bodies, organizations and individuals engaged in, or inciting or assisting others to engage in, or domestic bodies, organizations and individuals who collude with foreign bodies, organizations or individuals to engage in harm to the national security and interests of the People’s Republic of China, in order to provide intelligence as a reference and basis and reference for preventing, curbing and punishing the above acts.

    Article 12: National intelligence work institutions may, according to relevant state regulations, establish cooperative relationships with relevant individuals and organizations, and commission them to carry out related work.

    Article 14: National intelligence work institutions, when carrying out intelligence work according to laws, may ask relevant institutions, organizations and citizens to provide necessary support, assistance and cooperation.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    Madtiger said:
    “...the US also points more generally to China's National Intelligence Law passed in 2017that says organisations must "support, co-operate with and collaborate in national intelligence work".

    THIS is the biggest problem. No matter what Huawei/ZTE says, it is by law that they MUST cooperate with China’s government in intelligence of their own citizen BUT also foreign bodies.
    —————————
    Article 7 stipulates that “any organization or citizen shall support, assist, and cooperate with state intelligence work according to law.” 

    Article 11: National intelligence work institutions shall lawfully collect and process relevant intelligences on foreign bodies, organizations and individuals engaged in, or inciting or assisting others to engage in, or domestic bodies, organizations and individuals who collude with foreign bodies, organizations or individuals to engage in harm to the national security and interests of the People’s Republic of China, in order to provide intelligence as a reference and basis and reference for preventing, curbing and punishing the above acts.

    Article 12: National intelligence work institutions may, according to relevant state regulations, establish cooperative relationships with relevant individuals and organizations, and commission them to carry out related work.

    Article 14: National intelligence work institutions, when carrying out intelligence work according to laws, may ask relevant institutions, organizations and citizens to provide necessary support, assistance and cooperation.
    That law simply codified existing practice and and Huawei has said that it has no impact on its business outside China.

    Every company is under exactly the same pressure - codified in law or not - from its government. In the case of the US, it has been claimed that AT&T was ready and willing to comply with government requests and actually did so.

    And let's not forget that the NSA has already been revealed as targeting, wait for it - Huawei - to get its fingers into them. Oh, the irony.

    So, no one has any evidence of any spying by Huawei, save for accusations, but the government that is making those accusations is already known to have done just that and against Huawei no less!

    But that is politics. You haven't answered any of my comments on the technology produced by Huawei. That is the real reason for the US: fear of losing protagonism.
  • Reply 38 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

    I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

    As for the modem, again, so what.
    It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

    'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

    That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

    The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.
    Here's an example of China attempting to subvert laws regarding U.S. Technology transfer;

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25364/boeing-nixes-satellite-deal-amid-concerns-the-u-s-buyer-was-a-chinese-government-front?iid=sr-link5

    Boeing says it has canceled a controversial satellite order from a U.S.-based startup, which had received the bulk of its funding from a Chinese-government owned financial company. The deal, which critics warned could give China access to sensitive technology, comes amid a period of especially acrimonious relations between Washington and Beijing over a host of issues, including industrial espionage and intellectual property theft.

    The Chicago-headquartered aerospace company announced its decision, which it said was only because of non-payment on the part of the customer, to nix the deal, worth more than $200 million, on Dec. 6, 2018. Two days earlier, the Wall Street Journal had published an expose detailing the links between the official buyer, Global IP, and a string of Chinese government operated entities and individuals with significant connections to China’s Communist Party and military establishment.

    “When we resigned over a year ago, we informed Boeing of the reasons for our decision,” Emil Youssefzadeh, one of Global IP’s founders, told the Journal, referring to concerns about China's involvement and a hope that the company would be able to shake off worrisome Chinese government influence. “It’s unfortunate that this did not happen at the time.”   

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-maneuvers-to-snag-top-secret-boeing-satellite-technology-1543943490?&mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline

    There is no Corporation with independence of the Chinese Government, the Communist Party, or the PLA, hence why this deal fell through, and the many democracies that are banning Huawei telecom. Your naivete about National Security concerns isn't winning you any arguments.

    Huawei is not China. 
  • Reply 39 of 50
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,634member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

    I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

    As for the modem, again, so what.
    It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

    'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

    That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

    The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.
    Here's an example of China attempting to subvert laws regarding U.S. Technology transfer;

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25364/boeing-nixes-satellite-deal-amid-concerns-the-u-s-buyer-was-a-chinese-government-front?iid=sr-link5

    Boeing says it has canceled a controversial satellite order from a U.S.-based startup, which had received the bulk of its funding from a Chinese-government owned financial company. The deal, which critics warned could give China access to sensitive technology, comes amid a period of especially acrimonious relations between Washington and Beijing over a host of issues, including industrial espionage and intellectual property theft.

    The Chicago-headquartered aerospace company announced its decision, which it said was only because of non-payment on the part of the customer, to nix the deal, worth more than $200 million, on Dec. 6, 2018. Two days earlier, the Wall Street Journal had published an expose detailing the links between the official buyer, Global IP, and a string of Chinese government operated entities and individuals with significant connections to China’s Communist Party and military establishment.

    “When we resigned over a year ago, we informed Boeing of the reasons for our decision,” Emil Youssefzadeh, one of Global IP’s founders, told the Journal, referring to concerns about China's involvement and a hope that the company would be able to shake off worrisome Chinese government influence. “It’s unfortunate that this did not happen at the time.”   

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-maneuvers-to-snag-top-secret-boeing-satellite-technology-1543943490?&mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline

    There is no Corporation with independence of the Chinese Government, the Communist Party, or the PLA, hence why this deal fell through, and the many democracies that are banning Huawei telecom. Your naivete about National Security concerns isn't winning you any arguments.

    Huawei is not China. 
    Your being an apologist for Huawei isn't going to delink China from Huawei, in fact or in the public consciousness, when it comes to national security. It's those "significant connections" to the Communist Party and Military Establishment that is the problem, starting at the top of Huawei's management.

    edited January 26 watto_cobra
  • Reply 40 of 50
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,638member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Madtiger said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    clarker99 said:
    Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)
    It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

    People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

    The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

    MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

    MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

    - We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
    - We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
    - We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
    - We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
    - We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

    Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,
    Not long to wait:

    https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

    https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

    https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

    'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.




    Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

    5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

    MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.
    The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

    It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

    Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

    They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.
    Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.
    You lost count after how many? 

    Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.


    Politics more than technology, no?
    https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

    There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

    France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.
    Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

    Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

    From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

    "We're losing it"
    So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

    I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

    As for the modem, again, so what.
    It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

    'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

    That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

    The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.
    Here's an example of China attempting to subvert laws regarding U.S. Technology transfer;

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25364/boeing-nixes-satellite-deal-amid-concerns-the-u-s-buyer-was-a-chinese-government-front?iid=sr-link5

    Boeing says it has canceled a controversial satellite order from a U.S.-based startup, which had received the bulk of its funding from a Chinese-government owned financial company. The deal, which critics warned could give China access to sensitive technology, comes amid a period of especially acrimonious relations between Washington and Beijing over a host of issues, including industrial espionage and intellectual property theft.

    The Chicago-headquartered aerospace company announced its decision, which it said was only because of non-payment on the part of the customer, to nix the deal, worth more than $200 million, on Dec. 6, 2018. Two days earlier, the Wall Street Journal had published an expose detailing the links between the official buyer, Global IP, and a string of Chinese government operated entities and individuals with significant connections to China’s Communist Party and military establishment.

    “When we resigned over a year ago, we informed Boeing of the reasons for our decision,” Emil Youssefzadeh, one of Global IP’s founders, told the Journal, referring to concerns about China's involvement and a hope that the company would be able to shake off worrisome Chinese government influence. “It’s unfortunate that this did not happen at the time.”   

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-maneuvers-to-snag-top-secret-boeing-satellite-technology-1543943490?&mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline

    There is no Corporation with independence of the Chinese Government, the Communist Party, or the PLA, hence why this deal fell through, and the many democracies that are banning Huawei telecom. Your naivete about National Security concerns isn't winning you any arguments.

    Huawei is not China. 
    Your being an apologist for Huawei isn't going to delink China from Huawei, in fact or in the public consciousness, when it comes to national security. It's those "significant connections" to the Communist Party and Military Establishment that is the problem, starting at the top of Huawei's management.

    The only link between China and Huawei is the same as would be expected from any ICT company and its national government. That is what is important.

    I suggest you read some of the recent interviews with Ren that touch on that exact subject.

    If there are any spying charges, put them in the public domain as Huawei has requested.

    The problem is that not only has the US not done that but it believes it isn't even necessary. I wonder what they would think if the boot were on the other foot and all the while we know (thanks to Snowden) that it was in fact the US that was trying to spy on China and Huawei was a major target.

    See a problem there?

    Most of the world's communications transport already flows through Huawei gear and there are no problems. That is the nature of international communications.

    The real problem is that the US was falling behind on the next generation of communications tech and feared being overtaken. Something that was very likely. 

    Now, with 5G phones a reality (February announcement) and with the Balong 5000 looking to be far more complete than any other product announced so far, Huawei looks to be very well placed to take control of one of the biggest markets on earth as well as being perfectly compatible with future 5G infrastructure elsewhere (using Huawei backbone gear or not).

    So, if the S10 has a 5G variant running the X50, it already looks like it won't compete well with Balong 5000 (for which the Kirin 980 is already compatible on a SoC level). Apple might not even be in the 5G market until very late 2020.




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