Apple's weak Chinese iPhone sales blamed directly on high prices

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  • Reply 41 of 83
    [...] Sorry but FaceID is more expensive than TouchID
    Is it? We don't actually know that, do we? For all we know, Face ID may cost Apple less than Touch ID.
    edited February 11 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 42 of 83
    [...] Learn a few things about economics and the impact that will have on commodity goods pricing before shouting "Apple is greedy" or other stupid shit of that nature!
    Right. Apple looked into a market with widening currency conversion rates and still chose to release products at the highest prices ever. Apple is not greedy, Apple is just STUPID.

    :)
    Uh, no... They're not stupid, since there was a massive rush in China's growing middle-class to begin acquiring wealth at any cost, and is still occurring right now due to the Chinese love of debt resources to fund their spending and faking their GDP #'s to the world.

    The issue is that a company such as Apple doesn't really have a chance at success there with someone like President Xi at the totalitarian helm.
  • Reply 43 of 83
    Is this from the same IDC that in 2011 that predicted by 2015 Microsoft would squash Apple in phone sales??
    edited February 11 magman1979AppleExposedMisterKitapricot88JFC_PAjony0
  • Reply 44 of 83

    hucom2000 said:
    We're all beating dead horses here, probably.

    But whoever I talk to, Apple fanatics or people who converted from Windows or Anroid over the last few years, agree that Apple's pricing has gone out of hand. Everyone agrees that quality costs money. Yet they unanimously say that the have to re-evaluate whether they can justify buying another Apple device or not.

    Sure, Apple can start lowering prices. But it seems that the damage to Apple's reputation has already been done. In a lot of people's minds they are a company that is selling highly overpriced devices. This makes me sad. It seems like such a foolish mistake to make. I don't understand it. 

    Time Cook keeps talking about how expensive it is to develop these devices. But with the amount of cash the company is garnering every quarter, this seems like a desperate attempt to justify. People are not stupid. Developing the first iPhone, a truly revolutionary device, not evolutionary, with a much smaller marked, must have been very expensive. Yet it cost half as much as today's offerings. In a lot of people's minds - including mine - something just doesn't add up.
    "Everyone agrees that quality costs money"

    Which is why iPhones cost so much.

    Funny how when Tim Cook says development costs have risen, he's lying. SMH.

    Sorry but FaceID is more expensive than TouchID, OLED is more expensive than LCD etc.
    Don't like it? Get an iPhone 8 for much cheaper and it's still better than any android spy device.

    And YES people were bitching that the original iPhone was too expensive in 2007. Apple even responded by lowering the price in the U.S. something that has never happened since.
    Bingo! And when you look at just how much more is packed into an iPhone today than it was when it was first released, the price increases are justifiable, just not to the people who want to have everything dirt cheap or free!
    AppleExposedMisterKitjony0
  • Reply 45 of 83
    Tim Cook is not the right CEO for Apple in 2019. A true definition of success would be to sell the hardware with a razor thin margin, and make buttloads of cash on services. Apple is doing a poor job at services right now - Amazon, Google, Microsoft are performing much better on that regard. And I'm not talking iCloud photo storage here. I'm talking professional SaaS services for both consumers and enterprise. 
    Also Tim Cook should invest cash they are not moving. Buy 20% of Tesla, buy 25% of Netflix. It's frustrating to be a shareholder of a company that keeps money on the banks and over-pays management.
    Agree with Mr. Lkrupp, I think it’s time you sell your shares and buy a company that does things the way YOU would do it... 
    or are you just trolling?
    edited February 11 magman1979
  • Reply 46 of 83
    [...] Sorry but FaceID is more expensive than TouchID
    Is it? We don't actually know that, do we? For all we know, Face ID may cost Apple less than Touch ID.
    And this statement is total BS unless you have someone working inside Apple that has internal knowledge they're willing to share about the exact costs of Face ID vs Touch ID...
  • Reply 47 of 83
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,313member
    geekmee said:
    Is this from the same IDC that in 2011 that predicted by 2015 Microsoft would squash Apple in phone sales??
    To be fair, Apple uses IDC data in presentations when necessary.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 48 of 83

    waltg said:
    I love Apple products but, enough is enough with this insane phone pricing!! By the time they lowered the XR, well, too late Apple, I had already purchased another competitor’s phone, and I’m sure I’m not the only one that did so... It is sad, way too much greed and these prices ARE way out of line!
    I love Apple products too, and that is why I am holding onto my iPhone 7 Plus as long as possible...and my AirPods, HomePod, iMac, AppleTV and other Apple products that I bought my family because they work.  Yes, my upgrade cycle has lengthened. So I guess I am “Doomed” or guaranteed to spend my money with Apple.  Apple won’t get my money today, but they will get it eventually and if that is “Doomed” I bet that future revenue problem is one Apple’s competitors would love to have as one of their problems.  
    Good luck with updates, longetivity, connecting and synchronizing all your data across all other devices on another “competitor’s phone”... 
    Mr. Troll.
    edited February 11 magman1979AppleExposedrandominternetperson
  • Reply 49 of 83

    The current state of Apple is symbolized by the un ending rip off and hazzard that is the charging cord and lightening connector. Please if you can my dear user name me one other electronic product cable of the last 50 years that fails and fails within months. There is no other as this problem was solved decades ago. Only apple has this problem and it continues year after year. $40 per cable F u Apple
    Thanks for your enlightened opinion... It’s funny that you mentioned that, because I just decided to stop buying all these 3rd party cables over and over again because they didn’t last. All my Apple cables are still working as designed, so I figure you get what you pay for or “you can know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

    If you bought your “failed” cables online, there are multitudes of OEM imposters who package look alike waiting for undiscerning ‘marks.’

    Apple support I am sure would be happy to give you some guidelines to avoid the imposters, rumors and misinformation.

    Do you prefer being called “Frayed Cable” or Mr. ‘Troll’.
    edited February 11 magman1979JFC_PA
  • Reply 50 of 83
    The current state of Apple is symbolized by the un ending rip off and hazzard that is the charging cord and lightening connector. Please if you can my dear user name me one other electronic product cable of the last 50 years that fails and fails within months. There is no other as this problem was solved decades ago. Only apple has this problem and it continues year after year. $40 per cable F u Apple
    Nonsense. My cables last years because I don't trash them. And they cost $20. Even Anker's newest Lightning cable is only $3 cheaper. Big whoop.

    A couple years back my experiment MonoPrice and Amazon cables both fell apart fairly quickly tho -- the plug assemblies came apart. Never happened with any of my Apple cables. 
    Bah nonsense 
    so you claim I’m using  the cable wrong. 
    I call bullshit. 
    I use the cable. Period. 
    No other cable has experienced this failure on any device in my near 5o years. 
     It has never occurred on anything ever but an Apple product and this has happened continually since my first iPhone v1. 
    So spare us defending the most valuable company on Earth who somehow can’t make a power cord that doesn’t fray. 


    LOL.  You created a screen name based solely on the fact that you mistreat your Apple cable and want to whine about it?

    My family has owned at least 20 iPods, iPads, and iPhones over the years.  Most of those cables are still working fine.  Have I replaced some?  Not that I recall, but perhaps one or two.  It certainly hasn't been a big deal.
    Why do people here jump to the conclusion that people who have trouble with failing cables are mistreating them? Why do you assume your experience is typical and his is unusual? Why is any complaint "whining?"

    I don't have a lot of trouble with Apple cables either, but I'm not so arrogant as to assume my experience extends to everyone else.
    If someone said "I bought an Apple device a few months ago, and the cable has already failed despite my not abusing it," that would be a reasonably post.  And people would likely respond with "that's bad luck; that has/hasn't been my experience."

    But that's not what Frayed Cable said.  "Please if you can my dear user name me one other electronic product cable of the last 50 years that fails and fails within months."  And "No other cable has experienced this failure on any device in my near 5o years. 
     It has never occurred on anything ever but an Apple product and this has happened continually since my first iPhone v1. 
    So spare us defending the most valuable company on Earth who somehow can’t make a power cord that doesn’t fray."

    That's clearly propaganda BS.  In 50 years(!) the only cable that fails him have been Apple cables, and it's every Apple cable he's every owned.  There are only two ways to explain that statement: 1. he abuses his cables (since no one else experiences 100% failure rate) or 2. he's a lying troll.
    fastasleepJFC_PA
  • Reply 51 of 83
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 584unconfirmed, member


    [...] Learn a few things about economics and the impact that will have on commodity goods pricing before shouting "Apple is greedy" or other stupid shit of that nature!
    Right. Apple looked into a market with widening currency conversion rates and still chose to release products at the highest prices ever. Apple is not greedy, Apple is just STUPID.

    :)
    As opposed to pricing them much lower and losing money on each iPhone sold?

    [...] Sorry but FaceID is more expensive than TouchID
    Is it? We don't actually know that, do we? For all we know, Face ID may cost Apple less than Touch ID.

    I remember reading that the camera array and sensors cost more. I could be wrong but as I said, Apple is using very expensive components and tech.

    [...] Sorry but FaceID is more expensive than TouchID
    Is it? We don't actually know that, do we? For all we know, Face ID may cost Apple less than Touch ID.
    And this statement is total BS unless you have someone working inside Apple that has internal knowledge they're willing to share about the exact costs of Face ID vs Touch ID...

    Right, neither of us know for sure but does he think FaceID is free?

    People want Apple technology with android prices slapped onto thm.

    Consider this:

    Apple develops it's own hardware, Software, stores(App Store, iTunes etc.)  and services. None of which the knockoffs are required to do since everything is just handed to them (including Apples R&D department.)

    So why in the world should Apples products be priced as low as a damn pocophone whch offers no security or privacy????


    edited February 11 jony0
  • Reply 52 of 83
    [...] Sorry but FaceID is more expensive than TouchID
    Is it? We don't actually know that, do we? For all we know, Face ID may cost Apple less than Touch ID.
    And this statement is total BS unless you have someone working inside Apple that has internal knowledge they're willing to share about the exact costs of Face ID vs Touch ID...
    What are you talking about? WHICH statement is "total BS?" There is no statement other than WE DON'T KNOW. Your remark confirms mine: we don't know that Face ID contributes to increasing the cost of the iPhone. What part of that is BS?
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 53 of 83
    The current state of Apple is symbolized by the un ending rip off and hazzard that is the charging cord and lightening connector. Please if you can my dear user name me one other electronic product cable of the last 50 years that fails and fails within months. There is no other as this problem was solved decades ago. Only apple has this problem and it continues year after year. $40 per cable F u Apple
    Nonsense. My cables last years because I don't trash them. And they cost $20. Even Anker's newest Lightning cable is only $3 cheaper. Big whoop.

    A couple years back my experiment MonoPrice and Amazon cables both fell apart fairly quickly tho -- the plug assemblies came apart. Never happened with any of my Apple cables. 
    Bah nonsense 
    so you claim I’m using  the cable wrong. 
    I call bullshit. 
    I use the cable. Period. 
    No other cable has experienced this failure on any device in my near 5o years. 
     It has never occurred on anything ever but an Apple product and this has happened continually since my first iPhone v1. 
    So spare us defending the most valuable company on Earth who somehow can’t make a power cord that doesn’t fray. 


    LOL.  You created a screen name based solely on the fact that you mistreat your Apple cable and want to whine about it?

    My family has owned at least 20 iPods, iPads, and iPhones over the years.  Most of those cables are still working fine.  Have I replaced some?  Not that I recall, but perhaps one or two.  It certainly hasn't been a big deal.
    Why do people here jump to the conclusion that people who have trouble with failing cables are mistreating them? Why do you assume your experience is typical and his is unusual? Why is any complaint "whining?"

    I don't have a lot of trouble with Apple cables either, but I'm not so arrogant as to assume my experience extends to everyone else.
    If someone said "I bought an Apple device a few months ago, and the cable has already failed despite my not abusing it," that would be a reasonably post.  And people would likely respond with "that's bad luck; that has/hasn't been my experience."

    But that's not what Frayed Cable said.  "Please if you can my dear user name me one other electronic product cable of the last 50 years that fails and fails within months."  And "No other cable has experienced this failure on any device in my near 5o years. 
     It has never occurred on anything ever but an Apple product and this has happened continually since my first iPhone v1. 
    So spare us defending the most valuable company on Earth who somehow can’t make a power cord that doesn’t fray."

    That's clearly propaganda BS.  In 50 years(!) the only cable that fails him have been Apple cables, and it's every Apple cable he's every owned.  There are only two ways to explain that statement: 1. he abuses his cables (since no one else experiences 100% failure rate) or 2. he's a lying troll.
    Yeah okay, fair enough. I guess I got caught up in my indignation over the prevailing attitude here that Apple is somehow infallible and let it cloud my interpretation of that specific exchange. You're right, it was a bit hyperbolic.
    randominternetpersonmuthuk_vanalingamjony0
  • Reply 54 of 83
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 3,313member
    Apple said it miscalculated and will reduce prices where it feels it is necessary. There we have a tacit admission and a proposed adjustment. That is a pretty important admission.

    This IDC data highlights the problem with some newer guesses, puts the spotlight on other reasons for the fall and gives us a wider viewpoint. I think there is nothing shocking in the guesstimates and most people expected something like this.

    It doesn't take a genius to see that if you push prices up on already expensive base prices, you run the risk of hitting users' price ceilings. There is no doubt that is happening. There is no doubt either that currencies and sales taxes also pay a part but what matters to consumers is the price at the point of sale. Apple clearly thought it could push prices up and not get hit.

    Price isn't the only issue, though. Competition is also fierce and one of the reasons Huawei has seen huge growth is because of the phones themselves. The quality, features and value - even at the $1,000 point. And although Oppo and Vivo didn't do as well they still showed increases in a shrinking quarter.

    Apple is taking stock (no pun intended) and reacting. We might see other reactions before the next refresh.

    2018, like it or not, was the year of the notch on smartphones. Apple only really had one (expensive) phone in that category for the better part of a year. Its entire line of remaining phones were 'old', looking dated or both. 'Full screen' was everywhere except on iPhones and when, at the last minute, the line was refreshed with full screen X variants, they really didn't offer much new.

    2019 will be the year of punch holes, folding screens, tri/quad cameras and 5G. Apple will have very little to speak of in those terms until year end.

    It is said that 2018 was a poor year for Samsung in terms of phone releases. The same can be said of Apple (basically an evolution of the 2017 iPhone X).

    We think the S10 will mark a big improvement over last year. Apple has no option but to do the same in September/October.

    Whatever happens, Samsung will always be able to (and regularly does) play with pricing if sales need stimulating. Apple would be foolish to try and increase prices yet again and would probably be much better off with an out of the gate price drop.




    edited February 11 propodmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 55 of 83
    As opposed to pricing them much lower and losing money on each iPhone sold?
    That was, of course, a joke, and I think you recognized it as such, but still, to your point -- there is another option beyond pricing too high for the market and losing money: make some compromises in the design that remove costs for things that fall into the realm of diminishing returns.

    I think Apple actually DID that. They made the XR. I just replaced a dead iPhone last week, and I admit being hard pressed to find a reason to buy the XS. The XR is a really good value.

    I remember reading that the camera array and sensors cost more. I could be wrong
    The only place I've seen that written is by users like you and me who just assume it must cost more because it's newer and cooler. We don't actually know that.

    but as I said, Apple is using very expensive components and tech.
    Are they? Are Apple's components really much more expensive that those used by other suppliers? If they were, how would we know? Maybe the components Apple uses do cost more than the modems, flash storage, camera modules, etc. you'll find in competitors top-of-the-line products, but I kinda doubt it. I'm pretty sure Apple's massive purchasing power insures it gets very competitive pricing on third-party components. There doesn't seem to be a massive chasm in the hardware capabilities of an iPhone compared to a similarly-positioned product of another brand, so I'm not inclined to give Apple a free pass on build costs.

    That doesn't mean I don't think iPhones have value -- I do -- I just that I don't think component cost is a major contributor to rising iPhone prices.

    Right, neither of us know for sure but does he think FaceID is free?
    Of course not, but that's irrelevant to the point I made. My point is about the assertion that Face ID makes new iPhones more expensive. We don't know that. If Face ID really does cost more than Touch ID, then it's a valid argument. If it actually costs the same as or less than Touch ID, the argument that its cost contributes to the rising price of iPhones is wrong.
    AppleExposedmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 56 of 83
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,398member
    lkrupp said:
    waltg said:
    I love Apple products but, enough is enough with this insane phone pricing!! By the time they lowered the XR, well, too late Apple, I had already purchased another competitor’s phone, and I’m sure I’m not the only one that did so... It is sad, way too much greed and these prices ARE way out of line!
    But Apple’s sales and market share have actually increased in the U.S. and elsewhere so I’m not buying your too expensive narrative. I guess you forgot this article is about the Chinese market, huh?
    Have they in the last quarter?  I don’t think so. As I’ve posted in the past I believe that the high salaries paid to Apple managers and executives has completely warped their perception of what ordinary people can afford. 

    Apple has to make a choice. They can’t be both a luxury producer and a mass market company at the same time without a more diversified product line.  

    And the issue isn’t their base prices because those configurations are basically useless.  I think I paid $3200 for my last MBP and I didn’t even get it with all the storage I wanted. But I think I’m done with Apple.  I’m not paying that kind of money again for a machine that can’t be upgraded and that only gets a 3-4 hour battery life.  

    Apple has always been arrogant, but I think it’s finally got the better of them.  
    avon b7asdasd
  • Reply 57 of 83
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 584unconfirmed, member
    As opposed to pricing them much lower and losing money on each iPhone sold?
    That was, of course, a joke, and I think you recognized it as such, but still, to your point -- there is another option beyond pricing too high for the market and losing money: make some compromises in the design that remove costs for things that fall into the realm of diminishing returns.

    I think Apple actually DID that. They made the XR. I just replaced a dead iPhone last week, and I admit being hard pressed to find a reason to buy the XS. The XR is a really good value.

    I remember reading that the camera array and sensors cost more. I could be wrong
    The only place I've seen that written is by users like you and me who just assume it must cost more because it's newer and cooler. We don't actually know that.

    but as I said, Apple is using very expensive components and tech.
    Are they? Are Apple's components really much more expensive that those used by other suppliers? If they were, how would we know? Maybe the components Apple uses do cost more than the modems, flash storage, camera modules, etc. you'll find in competitors top-of-the-line products, but I kinda doubt it. I'm pretty sure Apple's massive purchasing power insures it gets very competitive pricing on third-party components. There doesn't seem to be a massive chasm in the hardware capabilities of an iPhone compared to a similarly-positioned product of another brand, so I'm not inclined to give Apple a free pass on build costs.

    That doesn't mean I don't think iPhones have value -- I do -- I just that I don't think component cost is a major contributor to rising iPhone prices.

    Right, neither of us know for sure but does he think FaceID is free?
    Of course not, but that's irrelevant to the point I made. My point is about the assertion that Face ID makes new iPhones more expensive. We don't know that. If Face ID really does cost more than Touch ID, then it's a valid argument. If it actually costs the same as or less than Touch ID, the argument that its cost contributes to the rising price of iPhones is wrong.
    Considering Apple offers exclusive tech not even available to the knockoffs is reason alone to know they have to spend extra on components. Factor in the billions they spend on R&D and Apple owes us nothing.

    Wasn't there stats that showed Apple makes less per iPhone than they did a few years ago?
  • Reply 58 of 83
    jbdragon said:
    I think Apple has hit the wall on prices they think they can charge. iPhone prices are sky high. iPad prices are sky high. Really it's all shot up to crazy high prices for what you're getting. Remember when you could get a cheap Mac by just getting a mac Mini. Now those like everyone else shot up in price. For what you get at the so called CHEAP end is a joke. I have this new iPhone XS, but in 4 years when I go to upgrade once again as I upgrade every 4 years, will it be another iPhone? I'm sure not paying $1500+ for a new iPhone in 4 years. I am not a fan of Android or all of Google's spying, but if Apple is going to drive me over their with their insane prices!?!?!?! This phone of mine was $1100. Personally I don't think that OLED screen is much better than the LCD screens I've had. Apple had really just gotten greedy, and if they continue, people will start fleeing from them. I really do wish there was a 3rd choice. How about a comeback of Windows Phones!!!
    iPad starts at $329, genius.

    Windows Phone? HAHAHAHA Yes, please bring back a failed, shut down platform so there are more choices! LOL.
    MisterKit
  • Reply 59 of 83

    Tim Cook is not the right CEO for Apple in 2019. A true definition of success would be to sell the hardware with a razor thin margin, and make buttloads of cash on services. Apple is doing a poor job at services right now - Amazon, Google, Microsoft are performing much better on that regard. And I'm not talking iCloud photo storage here. I'm talking professional SaaS services for both consumers and enterprise. 
    Also Tim Cook should invest cash they are not moving. Buy 20% of Tesla, buy 25% of Netflix. It's frustrating to be a shareholder of a company that keeps money on the banks and over-pays management.
    Sure am glad that people like yourself aren't running Apple.
    jony0
  • Reply 60 of 83
    zoetmb said:
    lkrupp said:
    waltg said:
    I love Apple products but, enough is enough with this insane phone pricing!! By the time they lowered the XR, well, too late Apple, I had already purchased another competitor’s phone, and I’m sure I’m not the only one that did so... It is sad, way too much greed and these prices ARE way out of line!
    But Apple’s sales and market share have actually increased in the U.S. and elsewhere so I’m not buying your too expensive narrative. I guess you forgot this article is about the Chinese market, huh?
    Have they in the last quarter?  I don’t think so. 
    Is "I don't think so" based on feelings or facts?


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