Just like the last round of updates to the watch, MacBooks, etc. which came with an unjustified price hike, and the ridiculous $1,000 stand for a monitor, the new iPhone 'Pro' (which is just plain stupid), will also come with a significant price hike...for nothing more than a name. The Xs was a failure for Apple, as well as iPhone sales, because they are constantly pushing the trade-in to get people to buy an Xr....still doing it 11 months later! Apple doesn't even place the Xs on the top of the page. The mediocre features and the price hike of the Xs was a failure as more people were not willing to shell out $999 - $1,449 for the top of the line model (with all iPhone sales, most prefer the higher capacity models), instead going for the $750 Xr. So they can come out with their Pro and likely the price will start at $1,299 or more, and people will boo in the audience once again, as they did with the $1,000 monitor stand.
Sadly, Apple still won't get it. Jobs wanted the iPhone to be affordable for everyone. Cook wants it affordable only for the super-elite in Cupertino. The word Pro is just a silly marketing term. If those three-camera and out of placed flash are any close to being real, that is one ugly phone. I think consumers stuck it to Apple with their wallets by preferring the lower cost Xr over the not-worth-the-money Xs.
I highly doubt Apple will raise prices further. I predict that the iPhone 11 (replacement for the iPhone XR) will still start at $749 and the iPhone Pro lineup (replacement for the iPhone XS lineup) will still start at $999 (5.8") & $1,099 (6.46"). We already the major difference beween the 11 & 11 Pro will be the camera quality / performance. I also think the 11 Pro will get the ProMotion screen.
Just like the last round of updates to the watch, MacBooks, etc. which came with an unjustified price hike, and the ridiculous $1,000 stand for a monitor, the new iPhone 'Pro' (which is just plain stupid), will also come with a significant price hike...for nothing more than a name. The Xs was a failure for Apple, as well as iPhone sales, because they are constantly pushing the trade-in to get people to buy an Xr....still doing it 11 months later! Apple doesn't even place the Xs on the top of the page. The mediocre features and the price hike of the Xs was a failure as more people were not willing to shell out $999 - $1,449 for the top of the line model (with all iPhone sales, most prefer the higher capacity models), instead going for the $750 Xr. So they can come out with their Pro and likely the price will start at $1,299 or more, and people will boo in the audience once again, as they did with the $1,000 monitor stand.
Sadly, Apple still won't get it. Jobs wanted the iPhone to be affordable for everyone. Cook wants it affordable only for the super-elite in Cupertino. The word Pro is just a silly marketing term. If those three-camera and out of placed flash are any close to being real, that is one ugly phone. I think consumers stuck it to Apple with their wallets by preferring the lower cost Xr over the not-worth-the-money Xs.
Way to re-write history, congrats. Jobs launched a very expensive phone and said he only expected to see it to 1% of the market. Was so expensive they had to lower the price. Oops!
LOL - consumers “stuck it” to Apple, by buying the iPhone Xr! Take my money, Apple! I mean, take that, Apple! Oops!
I use VESA arm mount for my monitors and have tried options in the $200-300 range, they mostly suck. Wobbly and cheap feeling. You can be assured the Apple offering won’t be. But who’s got a gun to your head? You know, for that $6000 reference monitor you won’t actually ever be buying. Oops!
Profit is the air corporations breathe. Apple is still putting out record quarters. Oops!
Newest Watch on my wrist is awesome and replaced my AW3. Got the steel. Oops!
Love my $1000 iPhone, because it’s a valuable, useful tool, and I use the zero-interest installment payments. Since I use iCloud I use barely half of the lowest-storage option. Oops!
The iPhone Pro will include a Machine Learning chip that detects whether the end-user is calling friends to have work related, professional conversations. On the non-Pro models, these conversations will be replaced with real-time generated, casual chatter about the weather, sports and other non-Pro subjects.
On a more serious note, a Pro phone to me would be dockable, and when it does, mirror iPadOS or MacOS on an external monitor. The chip is fast enough for it.
Market the Pro iDevice a dongle to running MacOS remotely. Makes sense from a marketing view. Each Mac on your network becomes in part a shared resource, Apple gets to sell Rackable MacPros to companies to boost their shared resource. Each Pro iDevice lets a user run a personnal "sidecar" instance on the MacPool.
Over time Apple transistions to selling Pro MacBooks, iPhones and iPads to staff and leases Mac as a service to the companies.
Would make more sense as a plan if:-
- Apple had a USB-c Networked Display for hooking up iPads,iPhone and MacBooks.
- Apple had an iCloud for Business setup that let staff have a company and presonnal account and keep them seperated if required.
Just like the last round of updates to the watch, MacBooks, etc. which came with an unjustified price hike, and the ridiculous $1,000 stand for a monitor, the new iPhone 'Pro' (which is just plain stupid), will also come with a significant price hike...for nothing more than a name. The Xs was a failure for Apple, as well as iPhone sales, because they are constantly pushing the trade-in to get people to buy an Xr....still doing it 11 months later! Apple doesn't even place the Xs on the top of the page. The mediocre features and the price hike of the Xs was a failure as more people were not willing to shell out $999 - $1,449 for the top of the line model (with all iPhone sales, most prefer the higher capacity models), instead going for the $750 Xr. So they can come out with their Pro and likely the price will start at $1,299 or more, and people will boo in the audience once again, as they did with the $1,000 monitor stand.
Sadly, Apple still won't get it. Jobs wanted the iPhone to be affordable for everyone. Cook wants it affordable only for the super-elite in Cupertino. The word Pro is just a silly marketing term. If those three-camera and out of placed flash are any close to being real, that is one ugly phone. I think consumers stuck it to Apple with their wallets by preferring the lower cost Xr over the not-worth-the-money Xs.
Way to re-write history, congrats. Jobs launched a very expensive phone and said he only expected to see it to 1% of the market. Was so expensive they had to lower the price. Oops!
LOL - consumers “stuck it” to Apple, by buying the iPhone Xr! Take my money, Apple! I mean, take that, Apple! Oops!
I use VESA arm mount for my monitors and have tried options in the $200-300 range, they mostly suck. Wobbly and cheap feeling. You can be assured the Apple offering won’t be. But who’s got a gun to your head? You know, for that $6000 reference monitor you won’t actually ever be buying. Oops!
Profit is the air corporations breathe. Apple is still putting out record quarters. Oops!
Newest Watch on my wrist is awesome and replaced my AW3. Got the steel. Oops!
Love my $1000 iPhone, because it’s a valuable, useful tool, and I use the zero-interest installment payments. Since I use iCloud I use barely half of the lowest-storage option. Oops!
So many troll tropes, so little time.
That distorting reality. They only managed to sell by vastly improving trade-in programs and discounting in some markets. Even with that it couldn't avoid a profit warning in what should have been the strongest quarter of the year. The improved trade-in programs were announced as 'limited time only' programs but are still in place eight months later.
The reality is the opposite to what you paint. Users 'stuck' it to Apple this year by not buying, not saying 'take my money' and as a result Apple reacted by making the phones cheaper to purchase. That changed the situation to a point but, in perspective, Apple started the year with a profit warning and is approaching the end of the year with iPhone sales representing less than half its revenue. All this after three years of already flat sales.
The upshot is that I think the 2019 refresh will see prices adjusted downwards.
As for the 'air that companies breathe', it's the same as the air we breathe. You only need enough to live and that's it. Having less won't hurt Apple in the slightest. Other companies are offering better phones at better prices and still making enough to report profits in the billions while still investigating more than Apple in R&D.
avon b7 said: Other companies are offering better phones at better prices and still making enough to report profits in the billions while still investigating more than Apple in R&D.
Sure, they're "better" but can't use their own OS and always need the tech media to make excuses for their SoC benchmarks like "most users won't notice the difference during daily use". In reality, Apple's competitors primarily focus on differences in the camera tech or screen tech because that's all they've got to compete with for features.
avon b7 said: Other companies are offering better phones at better prices and still making enough to report profits in the billions while still investigating more than Apple in R&D.
Sure, they're "better" but can't use their own OS and always need the tech media to make excuses for their SoC benchmarks like "most users won't notice the difference during daily use". In reality, Apple's competitors primarily focus on differences in the camera tech or screen tech because that's all they've got to compete with for features.
That is completely irrelevant but incorrect all the same.
Apple could keep their own OS and everything else and still make billions selling iPhones for far less. That was the point. They might even sell more units into the bargain.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
That only changes when government meddles in things and then you get forced to bake your own system and who loses then?
That question is open at the moment but I can assure you that both Apple and Google are paying very close attention to this and trying to read the tea leaves on what is now known to be coming:
Distributed, de-coupled, virtualised hardware. Now, there's a thing. And to be Open Source.
Perhaps Trump bit off more than he could actually chew. Only time will tell.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
Even so, Apple's entirely MO is owning the entire technology stack for superior integration between hardware and software. If you're questioning the value of a hardware manufacturer owning the software stack then I don't think you get the appeal of Apple at all and most people around here are going to give you short shrift.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
Even so, Apple's entirely MO is owning the entire technology stack for superior integration between hardware and software. If you're questioning the value of a hardware manufacturer owning the software stack then I don't think you get the appeal of Apple at all and most people around here are going to give you short shrift.
That is what my 'tea leaf' reference was tackling. Where are 'mobile' operating systems heading and how well prepared are they for the supposed IoT era (if it becomes reality). I think the ideas behind HarmonyOS are pretty interesting and going open source at some point and supposedly being secure by design should definitely provoke our curiosity. They will theoretically allow all manufacturers to own the stack while maintaining interoperability (sharing virtualised hardware). Perhaps the question could be, does 'owning the whole stack' have to mean 'exclusion' to some point (in the name of control) and is it the future? We can't know of course (hence the tea leaves reference) but there is something to think about and it's very interesting.
Short shrift isn't an issue. I use both systems and will comment on them if they come up. As I said, I didn't even bring that angle into the thread. My first post in this thread was basically saying I have no problem with Apple choosing a 'Pro' designation if that is what they go with. It will only be marketing at the end of the day and is already widely used already by other manufacturers.
Then, 'oops' post was made and I limited my reply to just what is undeniable and that is basically why the other poster didn't bother to challenge it and instead brought the other stuff into the thread.
Just like the last round of updates to the watch, MacBooks, etc. which came with an unjustified price hike, and the ridiculous $1,000 stand for a monitor, the new iPhone 'Pro' (which is just plain stupid), will also come with a significant price hike...for nothing more than a name. The Xs was a failure for Apple, as well as iPhone sales, because they are constantly pushing the trade-in to get people to buy an Xr....still doing it 11 months later! Apple doesn't even place the Xs on the top of the page. The mediocre features and the price hike of the Xs was a failure as more people were not willing to shell out $999 - $1,449 for the top of the line model (with all iPhone sales, most prefer the higher capacity models), instead going for the $750 Xr. So they can come out with their Pro and likely the price will start at $1,299 or more, and people will boo in the audience once again, as they did with the $1,000 monitor stand.
Sadly, Apple still won't get it. Jobs wanted the iPhone to be affordable for everyone. Cook wants it affordable only for the super-elite in Cupertino. The word Pro is just a silly marketing term. If those three-camera and out of placed flash are any close to being real, that is one ugly phone. I think consumers stuck it to Apple with their wallets by preferring the lower cost Xr over the not-worth-the-money Xs.
Way to re-write history, congrats. Jobs launched a very expensive phone and said he only expected to see it to 1% of the market. Was so expensive they had to lower the price. Oops!
LOL - consumers “stuck it” to Apple, by buying the iPhone Xr! Take my money, Apple! I mean, take that, Apple! Oops!
I use VESA arm mount for my monitors and have tried options in the $200-300 range, they mostly suck. Wobbly and cheap feeling. You can be assured the Apple offering won’t be. But who’s got a gun to your head? You know, for that $6000 reference monitor you won’t actually ever be buying. Oops!
Profit is the air corporations breathe. Apple is still putting out record quarters. Oops!
Newest Watch on my wrist is awesome and replaced my AW3. Got the steel. Oops!
Love my $1000 iPhone, because it’s a valuable, useful tool, and I use the zero-interest installment payments. Since I use iCloud I use barely half of the lowest-storage option. Oops!
So many troll tropes, so little time.
That distorting reality. They only managed to sell by vastly improving trade-in programs and discounting in some markets. Even with that it couldn't avoid a profit warning in what should have been the strongest quarter of the year. The improved trade-in programs were announced as 'limited time only' programs but are still in place eight months later.
The reality is the opposite to what you paint. Users 'stuck' it to Apple this year by not buying, not saying 'take my money' and as a result Apple reacted by making the phones cheaper to purchase. That changed the situation to a point but, in perspective, Apple started the year with a profit warning and is approaching the end of the year with iPhone sales representing less than half its revenue. All this after three years of already flat sales.
The upshot is that I think the 2019 refresh will see prices adjusted downwards.
As for the 'air that companies breathe', it's the same as the air we breathe. You only need enough to live and that's it. Having less won't hurt Apple in the slightest. Other companies are offering better phones at better prices and still making enough to report profits in the billions while still investigating more than Apple in R&D.
Air is air. For everyone.
So much nonsense. No, you see corporations are not biological beings -- they are paper business entities. They require profit to continue to exist. Thus, profit, is the air corporations breathe. Naturally you wish to downplay this, because when it comes to profit, Apple is king. Not your crummy chinese knockoff, but Apple.
The fellow I was responding to said consumers "stuck it to Apple" by buying the Xr. Obviously this is an idiotic claim, because Apple is happy if you buy from them either way.
Keep trying, dude. Move them goalposts! Convince us your employer or whatever is just as good as Apple!
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Agreed. This lil fella is pretending not writing your own software for your hardware is just as good as writing your own software for your hardware. Why? Because his crummy chinese knockoff doesn't write their own software for their hardware, lol.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
Even so, Apple's entirely MO is owning the entire technology stack for superior integration between hardware and software. If you're questioning the value of a hardware manufacturer owning the software stack then I don't think you get the appeal of Apple at all and most people around here are going to give you short shrift.
Then, 'oops' post was made and I limited my reply to just what is undeniable and that is basically why the other poster didn't bother to challenge it and instead brought the other stuff into the thread.
Nah, you just completely misread and misunderstood the post and its reply, as usual. The troll tropes were too many to count -- such as claiming Jobs wanted to sell a cheap phone for everyone (in reality, he wanted to sell an expensive phone for 1% of the market...oops!). Consumers "sticking it to Apple" by buying the Xr instead of the Xs (obviously stupid as Apple is happy with the sale either way, oops!) etc...
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
Even so, Apple's entirely MO is owning the entire technology stack for superior integration between hardware and software. If you're questioning the value of a hardware manufacturer owning the software stack then I don't think you get the appeal of Apple at all and most people around here are going to give you short shrift.
Then, 'oops' post was made and I limited my reply to just what is undeniable and that is basically why the other poster didn't bother to challenge it and instead brought the other stuff into the thread.
Nah, you just completely misread and misunderstood the post and its reply, as usual. The troll tropes were too many to count -- such as claiming Jobs wanted to sell a cheap phone for everyone (in reality, he wanted to sell an expensive phone for 1% of the market...oops!). Consumers "sticking it to Apple" by buying the Xr instead of the Xs (obviously stupid as Apple is happy with the sale either way, oops!) etc...
You try so hard. It's precious.
But the reality is what I posted - and still is.
Tim Cook admitted to miscalculating. Part of his recalculation involved (and still does) making the price of iPhone entry lower.
The question now is if that will be reflected in the starting prices of the iPhone 2019 refresh or not. Not long to wait to find out.
They will still have plenty of 'air to breathe' but perhaps just less than before.
How much chunkier would an iPhone really feel if the whole phone was just as thick as the lens bump? Just filled with added battery capacity? Most cases are as fat, if not slightly fatter than the bump. But cases mostly add bulk because of the frame, no? This huge bump does not really appeal to me aesthetically.
well I for one, am in 100% agreement. the bump isn't even that big anymore from what can be observed from the latest renderings/mockups. why not just make up the difference? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
Even so, Apple's entirely MO is owning the entire technology stack for superior integration between hardware and software. If you're questioning the value of a hardware manufacturer owning the software stack then I don't think you get the appeal of Apple at all and most people around here are going to give you short shrift.
Then, 'oops' post was made and I limited my reply to just what is undeniable and that is basically why the other poster didn't bother to challenge it and instead brought the other stuff into the thread.
Nah, you just completely misread and misunderstood the post and its reply, as usual. The troll tropes were too many to count -- such as claiming Jobs wanted to sell a cheap phone for everyone (in reality, he wanted to sell an expensive phone for 1% of the market...oops!). Consumers "sticking it to Apple" by buying the Xr instead of the Xs (obviously stupid as Apple is happy with the sale either way, oops!) etc...
You try so hard. It's precious.
But the reality is what I posted - and still is.
Tim Cook admitted to miscalculating. Part of his recalculation involved (and still does) making the price of iPhone entry lower.
The question now is if that will be reflected in the starting prices of the iPhone 2019 refresh or not. Not long to wait to find out.
They will still have plenty of 'air to breathe' but perhaps just less than before.
Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the troll tropes I was debunking, laid out clearly in my original “Oops!” post. As per usual, you just pop into threads and move the goal posts to spotlight metrics which you believe confirm your nonsense-narrative of Apple failing and your chinese knockoffs flourishing. It’s a disorder at this point.
Apple wants to further eliminate meaning behind the term “pro”?
So tired of this nonsense.
Relax. You're getting angry by letting an unsubstantiated rumor ruin your day. Whatever it is called, it will be the latest evolution of a beautiful piece of technology that will make so much possible in the hands of those who use it- photography, music, books, podcasts, radio, telephone, email, texts, language translator, mapping, searching the Internet, etc., etc., etc.
It isn’t ruining my day (the rest of my life does that). I’m just fed up with Apple’s marketing-first behavior. If this rumor is true, it’s just more of the same mindless and meaningless end-stage capitalism.
So many Apple defenders here are explaining the “pro” moniker to those of us complaining about it, and they are all failing to accept a basic problem: “pro” means nothing in a linguistic context. It really does just translate to “more costly”. Why are we so willing to allow words to have no meaning, or so willing to accept euphemisms that hide exploitative marketing?
What has been *added* to the “pro” line of MacBooks that has actually been a differentiator for “professional” usage? It’s now a fairly basic portable computer, requiring extra add-ons to be used in a professional production environment. It’s not an impressive offering, especially at the base price. With the tiny storage, insufficient ports & connections, it has the outward impression of a cost-reduced variety of MacBook Pro, compared to its own predecessors. What cost was actually reduced? Apple’s expenses in building them, of course. The consumer actually pays MORE for these devices that require more add-ons. It is a market designed to cut production costs, encourage third-party product development to fill in the holes, and is marketed with a “pro” moniker to make them sound like they justify their higher cost. It’s disingenuous business practice, yet anyone pointing this out gets slammed by the corporate boot-licker crowd.
Why have Apple so dramatically shrunken the market for their own “Mac Pro” line, compared to all prior models? Is THAT what “pro” means to Apple? Clearly not, because the MacBook Pros are fairly basic.
Which definition of “pro” will be used on a phone? What can you possibly do to an iPhone to justify raising the cost even further than the current stupidly expensive iPhone by adding a “pro” moniker? And then what comes next? The iPhone Pro XS? The iPhone Pro XS Professional? This is a game for raising prices and nothing else. What will become of the non-pro models? Will basic functionality be dropped while not actually reducing the costs for consumers?
When the Masters of Business Administration mindset takes charge of a company (as has been the case at Apple for a while now), the outward appearance is of immediate value increases, but the long view is always poor. The leadership will eventually harm the products (this has been happening since 2013), their customers, and the business.
The Wall Street cult doesn’t want to consider the long view, because it doesn’t need to: Whatever happens to Apple with this kind of leadership, the executives at the top, the people sitting on the board, the people holding the majority of shares, etc... they will all be fine no matter how much damage their “leadership” does to the company and customers. They’ll have their golden parachutes and will land on the next public corporation to continue feeding.
This coming from someone with a ~ten year old Mac and is unequivocally not a professional user by any definition of the word. You sure get worked up over things that have no impact on your life. Meanwhile, my 2018 MBP is fast as hell and is the best Mac I’ve ever owned in 25 years of buying Macs. There’s nothing disingenuous in labeling higher tier differently from lower tier products. It’s just a label, like Xr or Xs. “End stage capitalism” lol.
Have you talked to your doctor about antidepressants?
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
I don't think an Apple forum is really the place for you if you're asking these kind of questions.
Well, it's more rhetorical. It's a reply to a point the OP made about not using a home grown OS, not something I brought into the discussion.
Even so, Apple's entirely MO is owning the entire technology stack for superior integration between hardware and software. If you're questioning the value of a hardware manufacturer owning the software stack then I don't think you get the appeal of Apple at all and most people around here are going to give you short shrift.
Then, 'oops' post was made and I limited my reply to just what is undeniable and that is basically why the other poster didn't bother to challenge it and instead brought the other stuff into the thread.
Nah, you just completely misread and misunderstood the post and its reply, as usual. The troll tropes were too many to count -- such as claiming Jobs wanted to sell a cheap phone for everyone (in reality, he wanted to sell an expensive phone for 1% of the market...oops!). Consumers "sticking it to Apple" by buying the Xr instead of the Xs (obviously stupid as Apple is happy with the sale either way, oops!) etc...
You try so hard. It's precious.
But the reality is what I posted - and still is.
Tim Cook admitted to miscalculating. Part of his recalculation involved (and still does) making the price of iPhone entry lower.
The question now is if that will be reflected in the starting prices of the iPhone 2019 refresh or not. Not long to wait to find out.
They will still have plenty of 'air to breathe' but perhaps just less than before.
Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the troll tropes I was debunking, laid out clearly in my original “Oops!” post. As per usual, you just pop into threads and move the goal posts to spotlight metrics which you believe confirm your nonsense-narrative of Apple failing and your chinese knockoffs flourishing. It’s a disorder at this point.
The part you were referring to with your sarcastic remark didn't actually de-bunk anything. Here it is complete with your 'LOL' start and 'Oops!' end:
"LOL - consumers “stuck it” to Apple, by buying the iPhone Xr! Take my money, Apple! I mean, take that, Apple! Oops!"
You clearly didn't understand (or simply chose not to) what the OP was saying.
"Take my money Apple! mean, take that, Apple!"
That is the part you were distorting reality on. You are playing off the OP's words but misinterpreting them.
In fact you can place me squarely on the list the OP was referring to. I was seriously in the market for a 2018 iPhone but when they were released I withdrew for reasons you know full well. I even spent my iPhone money on something else and set my sights on a 2019 iPhone instead. It was literally a lost sale for Apple even though my wife's iPhone 6 was ripe for upgrading. It is very probable that millions of others felt and reacted the same way to the 2018 iPhone refresh.
Then, with just a few days left before Christmas, Apple slapped its 'limited time' offers on the Apple front page. An unprecedented move. We later learned that Apple had miscalculated and had held an 'all hands meeting' to deal with what was going to be a crash landing for the the 2018 iPhone refresh - in its blow out quarter no less. A profit warning ensued.
That is about as far as it gets from your 'take my money!' reference, sarcastic or not.
Again, what likely happened is that those trade in offers had something of an impact. In spite of having already spent the money set aside for a new iPhone, my wife actually needed an upgrade. Keeping the 6 would have meant struggling with the 6 so we - reluctantly bit the bullet and upgraded. Of course the profit mishap still occurred and those offers are still sitting on Apple's front page.
As the year has progressed the news hasn't got much better. The latest being that iPhone revenue dropped to below 50% of the total. It will probably rebound over the Christmas quarter but after that it's anybody's guess.
It all depends on a few things but price is definitely going to be one of them. Then their is the feature set. I was hoping for an all guns blazing return to competitiveness this year but it is mid August and all we have seen is an ugly render of what might be the release candidate. Tri cameras hit the market way before the last iPhone refresh and have already filtered down to mid range phones.
I really thought we'd be seeing some decent leaks by this time. Maybe Apple has finally plugged the holes.
What else can we expect? The 5W charger will be history for sure and if they mention it at the presentation it will get the biggest cheer of the day, which will be totally ironic in itself but that's the state of play and Apple only has itself to blame.
5G? Will users who can put off a purchase decide to do so?
5G is being pushed in my neck of the woods. Coverage is growing and by Christmas it is going to be a media blitz. Huawei has already put up a 'x' slide at its HDC event this weekend comparing download speeds where the iPhone should be. Of course, they pointed out there was no iPhone with 5G to compare with, so it was a Samsung model that was used. That easy marketing line will be played out at length by many vendors if, as it is rumoured, no iPhone shows up with 5G this year. Or will this rumoured 'Pro' branding be reserved a region specific 5G iPhone.
A 5G no show this year means a harder slog next year as 5G - marketing - (forget the product for a moment) takes a hold in users' minds.
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LOL - consumers “stuck it” to Apple, by buying the iPhone Xr! Take my money, Apple! I mean, take that, Apple! Oops!
I use VESA arm mount for my monitors and have tried options in the $200-300 range, they mostly suck. Wobbly and cheap feeling. You can be assured the Apple offering won’t be. But who’s got a gun to your head? You know, for that $6000 reference monitor you won’t actually ever be buying. Oops!
Profit is the air corporations breathe. Apple is still putting out record quarters. Oops!
Newest Watch on my wrist is awesome and replaced my AW3. Got the steel. Oops!
Love my $1000 iPhone, because it’s a valuable, useful tool, and I use the zero-interest installment payments. Since I use iCloud I use barely half of the lowest-storage option. Oops!
So many troll tropes, so little time.
The reality is the opposite to what you paint. Users 'stuck' it to Apple this year by not buying, not saying 'take my money' and as a result Apple reacted by making the phones cheaper to purchase. That changed the situation to a point but, in perspective, Apple started the year with a profit warning and is approaching the end of the year with iPhone sales representing less than half its revenue. All this after three years of already flat sales.
The upshot is that I think the 2019 refresh will see prices adjusted downwards.
As for the 'air that companies breathe', it's the same as the air we breathe. You only need enough to live and that's it. Having less won't hurt Apple in the slightest. Other companies are offering better phones at better prices and still making enough to report profits in the billions while still investigating more than Apple in R&D.
Air is air. For everyone.
Apple could keep their own OS and everything else and still make billions selling iPhones for far less. That was the point. They might even sell more units into the bargain.
As for using an own OS, why? If you can take an open source base and modify it to your liking and literally plug your own advances into it AND push features upstream, it is a win, win situation. Has there really been a need to re-invent that wheel up to now?
That only changes when government meddles in things and then you get forced to bake your own system and who loses then?
That question is open at the moment but I can assure you that both Apple and Google are paying very close attention to this and trying to read the tea leaves on what is now known to be coming:
Distributed, de-coupled, virtualised hardware. Now, there's a thing. And to be Open Source.
Perhaps Trump bit off more than he could actually chew. Only time will tell.
Short shrift isn't an issue. I use both systems and will comment on them if they come up. As I said, I didn't even bring that angle into the thread. My first post in this thread was basically saying I have no problem with Apple choosing a 'Pro' designation if that is what they go with. It will only be marketing at the end of the day and is already widely used already by other manufacturers.
Then, 'oops' post was made and I limited my reply to just what is undeniable and that is basically why the other poster didn't bother to challenge it and instead brought the other stuff into the thread.
The fellow I was responding to said consumers "stuck it to Apple" by buying the Xr. Obviously this is an idiotic claim, because Apple is happy if you buy from them either way.
Keep trying, dude. Move them goalposts! Convince us your employer or whatever is just as good as Apple!
Agreed. This lil fella is pretending not writing your own software for your hardware is just as good as writing your own software for your hardware. Why? Because his crummy chinese knockoff doesn't write their own software for their hardware, lol.
Nah, you just completely misread and misunderstood the post and its reply, as usual. The troll tropes were too many to count -- such as claiming Jobs wanted to sell a cheap phone for everyone (in reality, he wanted to sell an expensive phone for 1% of the market...oops!). Consumers "sticking it to Apple" by buying the Xr instead of the Xs (obviously stupid as Apple is happy with the sale either way, oops!) etc...
You try so hard. It's precious.
Tim Cook admitted to miscalculating. Part of his recalculation involved (and still does) making the price of iPhone entry lower.
The question now is if that will be reflected in the starting prices of the iPhone 2019 refresh or not. Not long to wait to find out.
They will still have plenty of 'air to breathe' but perhaps just less than before.
well I for one, am in 100% agreement. the bump isn't even that big anymore from what can be observed from the latest renderings/mockups. why not just make up the difference? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Have you talked to your doctor about antidepressants?
"LOL - consumers “stuck it” to Apple, by buying the iPhone Xr! Take my money, Apple! I mean, take that, Apple! Oops!"
You clearly didn't understand (or simply chose not to) what the OP was saying.
"Take my money Apple! mean, take that, Apple!"
That is the part you were distorting reality on. You are playing off the OP's words but misinterpreting them.
In fact you can place me squarely on the list the OP was referring to. I was seriously in the market for a 2018 iPhone but when they were released I withdrew for reasons you know full well. I even spent my iPhone money on something else and set my sights on a 2019 iPhone instead. It was literally a lost sale for Apple even though my wife's iPhone 6 was ripe for upgrading. It is very probable that millions of others felt and reacted the same way to the 2018 iPhone refresh.
Then, with just a few days left before Christmas, Apple slapped its 'limited time' offers on the Apple front page. An unprecedented move. We later learned that Apple had miscalculated and had held an 'all hands meeting' to deal with what was going to be a crash landing for the the 2018 iPhone refresh - in its blow out quarter no less. A profit warning ensued.
That is about as far as it gets from your 'take my money!' reference, sarcastic or not.
Again, what likely happened is that those trade in offers had something of an impact. In spite of having already spent the money set aside for a new iPhone, my wife actually needed an upgrade. Keeping the 6 would have meant struggling with the 6 so we - reluctantly bit the bullet and upgraded. Of course the profit mishap still occurred and those offers are still sitting on Apple's front page.
As the year has progressed the news hasn't got much better. The latest being that iPhone revenue dropped to below 50% of the total. It will probably rebound over the Christmas quarter but after that it's anybody's guess.
It all depends on a few things but price is definitely going to be one of them. Then their is the feature set. I was hoping for an all guns blazing return to competitiveness this year but it is mid August and all we have seen is an ugly render of what might be the release candidate. Tri cameras hit the market way before the last iPhone refresh and have already filtered down to mid range phones.
I really thought we'd be seeing some decent leaks by this time. Maybe Apple has finally plugged the holes.
What else can we expect? The 5W charger will be history for sure and if they mention it at the presentation it will get the biggest cheer of the day, which will be totally ironic in itself but that's the state of play and Apple only has itself to blame.
5G? Will users who can put off a purchase decide to do so?
5G is being pushed in my neck of the woods. Coverage is growing and by Christmas it is going to be a media blitz. Huawei has already put up a 'x' slide at its HDC event this weekend comparing download speeds where the iPhone should be. Of course, they pointed out there was no iPhone with 5G to compare with, so it was a Samsung model that was used. That easy marketing line will be played out at length by many vendors if, as it is rumoured, no iPhone shows up with 5G this year. Or will this rumoured 'Pro' branding be reserved a region specific 5G iPhone.
A 5G no show this year means a harder slog next year as 5G - marketing - (forget the product for a moment) takes a hold in users' minds.