I really get tired of those who downplay profits. Gross Profit makes the world go round, and, most importantly, funds research for new and better products.
Very true, the world is built on profit, on making a buck, on cutting a deal and screwing over the other guy. Of getting more things, and bigger things, and newer things than your neighbour. But I wonder why it has to be that way. Because yes Apple made record profits this year, Cook got a $115 million bonus for meeting Apple's profit target. But within a mile of Apple HQ there are people sleeping on the street and eating garbage. Profit doesn't mean much to them. There has to be a better way.
/philosophy
A gold rush brings out the best in men.
Would that that were true. Sadly, history has shown exactly the opposite on numerous occasions.
Do people really care what Woz thinks? Just because the guy can put together a circuitboard doesn't mean he has a clue as to how to run a Fortune 500 company. Isn't this kinda why Steve Jobs was the business guy at Apple and not Woz?
Quite clearly people do. Because you disagree with him does not make his opinion irrelevant. Frankly, and no offense intended, but his opinion counts for a whole lot more than yours (or mine).
By what measure? He has little experience in management of public companies, big firms at all, and zero at Apple. He was a hardware engineer at Apple, and that’s as deep as it went. His thoughts on how or why Apple should be split up as as worthless as yours or mine.
Woz was a gifted hardware engineer when discrete electronics, the 6502, and assembly language was king. He deserves accolades for that.
But he isn't a player in the industry anymore, so his comments are not really worth all that much, to me at least. People should remember, that at the time of Apple's founding, HP was the premier act in the tech industry; they're barely relevant now.
Interesting that those who trash Woz saying his opinions are not worth much tend to be the least qualified but the most opinionated.
I really get tired of those who downplay profits. Gross Profit makes the world go round, and, most importantly, funds research for new and better products.
Very true, the world is built on profit, on making a buck, on cutting a deal and screwing over the other guy. Of getting more things, and bigger things, and newer things than your neighbour. But I wonder why it has to be that way. Because yes Apple made record profits this year, Cook got a $115 million bonus for meeting Apple's profit target. But within a mile of Apple HQ there are people sleeping on the street and eating garbage. Profit doesn't mean much to them. There has to be a better way.
/philosophy
A gold rush brings out the best in men.
Would that that were true. Sadly, history has shown exactly the opposite on numerous occasions.
Sorry forgot the s /s quotes around it.
I was wondering if that’s what you were going for.
I really get tired of those who downplay profits. Gross Profit makes the world go round, and, most importantly, funds research for new and better products.
Very true, the world is built on profit, on making a buck, on cutting a deal and screwing over the other guy. Of getting more things, and bigger things, and newer things than your neighbour. But I wonder why it has to be that way. Because yes Apple made record profits this year, Cook got a $115 million bonus for meeting Apple's profit target. But within a mile of Apple HQ there are people sleeping on the street and eating garbage. Profit doesn't mean much to them. There has to be a better way.
/philosophy
A gold rush brings out the best in men.
Would that that were true. Sadly, history has shown exactly the opposite on numerous occasions.
Do people really care what Woz thinks? Just because the guy can put together a circuitboard doesn't mean he has a clue as to how to run a Fortune 500 company. Isn't this kinda why Steve Jobs was the business guy at Apple and not Woz?
Quite clearly people do. Because you disagree with him does not make his opinion irrelevant. Frankly, and no offense intended, but his opinion counts for a whole lot more than yours (or mine).
By what measure? He has little experience in management of public companies, big firms at all, and zero at Apple. He was a hardware engineer at Apple, and that’s as deep as it went. His thoughts on how or why Apple should be split up as as worthless as yours or mine.
You should realize that with his reputation no door is closed to him.
i am curious. What are his contributions after leaving Apple decades ago? Giving advices to Apple?
Also, why does he continually refer to Apple as “we”? Is he currently connected to the company in any way, official or not? And also, why does his beard look pink?
He has every right to say "we". More right than anyone who is currently alive. Dismount from your high horse and you'll be able to see that more clearly.
High horse? For asking a simple question? Yeah, that makes sense. Chill the f out Jeff and offer reasons, not insults.
i am curious. What are his contributions after leaving Apple decades ago? Giving advices to Apple?
Also, why does he continually refer to Apple as “we”? Is he currently connected to the company in any way, official or not? And also, why does his beard look pink?
According to this report: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/steve-wozniak-still-on-apple-payroll-jokes-he-still-reports-to-jobs.html, the Woz is still on the payroll.
Without him the Woz there would be no Apple. Without Steve Jobs there would be no Apple. It needed both of them.
Also, his total net worth is reportedly around $100 million, so I'd rather listen to him than trollers with a net worth of much, much less than that.
Thank you. I was seriously wondering but unable to do the research on my own at the time of the post.
Also, why does he continually refer to Apple as “we”? Is he currently connected to the company in any way, official or not? And also, why does his beard look pink?
Well, he is still on the payroll at Apple, according to the man himself. I don't know under which capacity. But he officially never left and was never fired. Nice, right? Co-founder of Apple and still employee to this day! He jokingly said that only Steve Jobs could fire him, so after he passed away now nobody can.
Also, why does he continually refer to Apple as “we”? Is he currently connected to the company in any way, official or not?
Woz is officially still an Apple employee. If memory serves badge #1.
Since none of us were there and many things are collaborative, I think the vitriol toward his opinion is unfounded. He is one of the fathers of the personal computing revolution, is a highly original thinker and has displayed pretty solid engineering ability on more than one occasion. Woz has that rare gift of being able to see the simple answer to the problem which is a wonderful thing for an engineer. He is also a great ambassador for both Apple and the tech world in general to the world.
Also, why does he continually refer to Apple as “we”? Is he currently connected to the company in any way, official or not?
Woz is officially still an Apple employee. If memory serves badge #1.
Since none of us were there and many things are collaborative, I think the vitriol toward his opinion is unfounded. He is one of the fathers of the personal computing revolution, is a highly original thinker and has displayed pretty solid engineering ability on more than one occasion. Woz has that rare gift of being able to see the simple answer to the problem which is a wonderful thing for an engineer. He is also a great ambassador for both Apple and the tech world in general to the world.
This guy is totally irrelevant and should stop embarrassing himself
From the Wiki page he receives a salary of around 120K per year to represent Apple?? Is this true? Can anyone confirm this? If true at this point why? Haha
"Though permanently leaving Apple as an active employee in 1985, Wozniak
chose to never remove himself from the official employee list, and
continues to represent the company at events or in interviews.[13] Today he receives a stipend from Apple for this role, estimated to be US$120,000 per year."
Also, why does he continually refer to Apple as “we”? Is he currently connected to the company in any way, official or not?
Woz is officially still an Apple employee. If memory serves badge #1.
Since none of us were there and many things are collaborative, I think the vitriol toward his opinion is unfounded. He is one of the fathers of the personal computing revolution, is a highly original thinker and has displayed pretty solid engineering ability on more than one occasion. Woz has that rare gift of being able to see the simple answer to the problem which is a wonderful thing for an engineer. He is also a great ambassador for both Apple and the tech world in general to the world.
As it says on his website: everyone is welcome.
I think, when he was talking about making Apple separate pieces, he was likely thinking back to the early days when he and Steve created out of Steve's garage. HP was started the same way -- from a couple guys working together in a garage. If those men had been employed at either an HP or Apple like we have today, we would have neither company today. They would have been smothered in the corporate culture following directions. Xerox tried to create that environment and, in fact they did -- at PARC. Fortunately for us, they didn't know what to do with it -- but Steve did.
FileMaker remained an Apple subsidiary and prospered. Now it is also being absorbed into the mothership I believe.
Not from what I've heard. FileMaker has rebranded itself as Claris but that in no way implies that the previous range of software products will be released again. All the talk at the developer conference has been about choosing their own direction, and that seems unlikely if Apple were going to reabsorb them.
No one hates the U.S. more than the U.S. I've seen U.S. citizens hope Trumps trade war burns the country just to see Apple burn with it while rooting for knockoffs that use stolen from foreign lands that use their IP (Huawei, Sammy etc.)
And I've never heard anyone express such a dumb opinion. There are people who hope that Trump's trade war destroys Trump so that he doesn't get re-elected, but that's as far as it goes.
I actually do think Apple should be broken up but not because of some political position - I simply think Apple has gotten too big and has become unmanageable. In spite of the giant staff additions, product development seems to lag, especially in applications and QA has also suffered as a result. Apple stuff just used to work. We used to be able to brag about the very minimal number of bugs compared to Microsoft. That's no longer the case.
I do think the complaints about the App Store being a monopoly are bogus. I think people who believe this forget how much applications used to cost. I remember when a $200 app was considered quite inexpensive. I think the argument that Apple's 30% take is too high is also bogus. Before the App Store, if a developer sold to a national distributor like Ingram Micro-D, they had to give them a 48 to 52% discount and obviously the distributor didn't cover the credit card fees as Apple does. Be careful what you wish for.
Do people really care what Woz thinks? Just because the guy can put together a circuitboard doesn't mean he has a clue as to how to run a Fortune 500 company. Isn't this kinda why Steve Jobs was the business guy at Apple and not Woz?
Quite clearly people do. Because you disagree with him does not make his opinion irrelevant. Frankly, and no offense intended, but his opinion counts for a whole lot more than yours (or mine).
By what measure? He has little experience in management of public companies, big firms at all, and zero at Apple. He was a hardware engineer at Apple, and that’s as deep as it went. His thoughts on how or why Apple should be split up as as worthless as yours or mine.
Woz was a gifted hardware engineer when discrete electronics, the 6502, and assembly language was king. He deserves accolades for that.
But he isn't a player in the industry anymore, so his comments are not really worth all that much, to me at least. People should remember, that at the time of Apple's founding, HP was the premier act in the tech industry; they're barely relevant now.
Interesting that those who trash Woz saying his opinions are not worth much tend to be the least qualified but the most opinionated.
Those that want to create a hagiography of Woz are no different, but HP is in fact split today into HP Enterprise, and HP Inc, which is printers and PC's.
Big fucking whoop on that!
Here's Woz on the Mac;
"In a 2013 interview, Wozniak said that the original Macintosh "failed" under Steve Jobs, and that it was not until Jobs left that it became a success. He called the Apple Lisa group the team that had kicked Jobs out, and that Jobs liked to call the Lisa group "idiots for making [the Lisa computer] too expensive". To compete with the Lisa, Jobs and his new team produced a cheaper computer, one that, according to Wozniak, was "weak", "lousy" and "still at a fairly high price". "He made it by cutting the RAM down, by forcing you to swap disks here and there", says Wozniak. He attributed the eventual success of the Macintosh to people like John Sculley "who worked to build a Macintosh market when the Apple II went away".[12]"
The Mac is still here today, and whatever intervention that happened from John Sculley after Steve Jobs left, it wasn't Woz that saved the Mac.
Here's a statement made by Steve Wozniak in an article currently up on the verge;
"This is not what I say. For decades I have said that I would have preferred Apple to relocate divisions off to other locations, as HP did when I worked there. HP had divisions all over the country that acted more independently than in a single campus, and I saw the effects of living in nice environments, like Colorado, and having more independence as a group to come up with great products. In the case of Apple this would have meant things like relocating the computer division to one place and the iPhone division to another, etc. I also have pointed out for decades that I was the only Apple executive I ever heard express these sentiments. The campus (castle) idea is more popular.'
He seems to have no cognizance of the interconnectedness of Apple's ecosystem, and also, the fact that Apple does indeed have divisions all over the place. At best, Woz is very ill informed.
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Since none of us were there and many things are collaborative, I think the vitriol toward his opinion is unfounded. He is one of the fathers of the personal computing revolution, is a highly original thinker and has displayed pretty solid engineering ability on more than one occasion. Woz has that rare gift of being able to see the simple answer to the problem which is a wonderful thing for an engineer. He is also a great ambassador for both Apple and the tech world in general to the world.
As it says on his website: everyone is welcome.
Since none of us were there and many things are collaborative, I think the vitriol toward his opinion is unfounded. He is one of the fathers of the personal computing revolution, is a highly original thinker and has displayed pretty solid engineering ability on more than one occasion. Woz has that rare gift of being able to see the simple answer to the problem which is a wonderful thing for an engineer. He is also a great ambassador for both Apple and the tech world in general to the world.
As it says on his website: everyone is welcome.
Oh the irony.
You called Woz stupid and then misspelled quiet.
Well put.
I actually do think Apple should be broken up but not because of some political position - I simply think Apple has gotten too big and has become unmanageable. In spite of the giant staff additions, product development seems to lag, especially in applications and QA has also suffered as a result. Apple stuff just used to work. We used to be able to brag about the very minimal number of bugs compared to Microsoft. That's no longer the case.
I do think the complaints about the App Store being a monopoly are bogus. I think people who believe this forget how much applications used to cost. I remember when a $200 app was considered quite inexpensive. I think the argument that Apple's 30% take is too high is also bogus. Before the App Store, if a developer sold to a national distributor like Ingram Micro-D, they had to give them a 48 to 52% discount and obviously the distributor didn't cover the credit card fees as Apple does. Be careful what you wish for.
Big fucking whoop on that!
Here's Woz on the Mac;
"In a 2013 interview, Wozniak said that the original Macintosh "failed" under Steve Jobs, and that it was not until Jobs left that it became a success. He called the Apple Lisa group the team that had kicked Jobs out, and that Jobs liked to call the Lisa group "idiots for making [the Lisa computer] too expensive". To compete with the Lisa, Jobs and his new team produced a cheaper computer, one that, according to Wozniak, was "weak", "lousy" and "still at a fairly high price". "He made it by cutting the RAM down, by forcing you to swap disks here and there", says Wozniak. He attributed the eventual success of the Macintosh to people like John Sculley "who worked to build a Macintosh market when the Apple II went away".[12]"
The Mac is still here today, and whatever intervention that happened from John Sculley after Steve Jobs left, it wasn't Woz that saved the Mac.
Here's a statement made by Steve Wozniak in an article currently up on the verge;
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20837692/steve-wozniak-says-apple-should-have-broken-up-years-ago
"This is not what I say. For decades I have said that I would have preferred Apple to relocate divisions off to other locations, as HP did when I worked there. HP had divisions all over the country that acted more independently than in a single campus, and I saw the effects of living in nice environments, like Colorado, and having more independence as a group to come up with great products. In the case of Apple this would have meant things like relocating the computer division to one place and the iPhone division to another, etc. I also have pointed out for decades that I was the only Apple executive I ever heard express these sentiments. The campus (castle) idea is more popular.'
He seems to have no cognizance of the interconnectedness of Apple's ecosystem, and also, the fact that Apple does indeed have divisions all over the place. At best, Woz is very ill informed.
He should enjoy his senior years...