All these Silicon Valley firms just do not like doing anything to help their country! But that the way they feel!
Blind nationalism is cute.
“Helping their country” - Apple have businesses, employees and acquisitions in a long list of countries and pay taxes in even more.
Government contracts such as these pose an immediate conflict of interest. Want to be the next Huawei?
This company's work will continue unchanged. The only difference is that Apple wants to keep it in-house.
There is no real conflict of interest in the classic sense.
AI vision has multiple uses and of course, there are military uses among those, which may lead to ethical or moral issues.
As for wanting to be the next Huawei. The answer is very much, yes. Being a world leader at every end of the ICT chain is where Apple would love to be.
Nope. Apple doens't need to be the "next" chinese knockoff brand. Nor does it want to a be puppet corporation controlled and brought to heel by the authoritarian single-party government. Get fucking real.
And not doing the work for the military is, by definition, a change in the work. Your need to spin is bizarre.
The problem you have is you simply can't comprehend that Huawei is not the knock off brand to incessantly claim it is. Carry on if you wish but the reality is there should you wish to open your eyes.
The work this company is doing is unlikely to change one iota. That is why Apple has bought them. What will probably change, is where and how it will be used. That isn't a change in the work and everything behind it.
And, as you probably aren't aware, Huawei (along with heaps of other companies) is already present in this area.
Smartphone deep learning rankings left out the iPhone. How can that be?
You continue to make the case that Huawei is a State Owned Enterprise, though you would deny that, which is why they are able to offer such low cost telecom buildout. The WTO should penalize Huawei for this, just as other countries are penalized for state support, especially in the EU.
Boris Johnson's plan to limit Huawei to non core in the UK is meeting a strong pushback, with some Tories advocating for complete elimination of Huawei from the UK in three years.
I don't know but can confirm that another AI ranking I sometimes follow doesn't list Apple devices either. I imagine it has more to do with software/library issues than anything else. The absence isn't that important as I was talking about the full stack and Apple just isn't in that game.
Huawei in the UK isn't relevant here. The U.S lost in its efforts to have them banned and is throwing a tantrum.
I prefer technical decisions to be based on the people who actually have a deep understanding of the issues on the table. Believe me, tory MPs don't have that understanding and neither do Trump, Pompeo, Pence, Rubio and Co.
Johnson had no real reason to listen to the U.S.
BTW, when ever you add "Believe me", it is a tell that you are lying. The issue isn't technical, it is price vs national security, and Boris opts for something in between. Still, Parliament may have the last word.
Huawei isn't getting any core 5G, so a loss for them as well as to the U.S.
The only reason Boris is pushing Huawei, and Germany for that matter, is they are worried that China might retaliate in the trade negotiations.
I find it interesting that you "prefer technical decisions to be based on the people who actually have a deep understanding of the issues on the table", in which case, the EU would have chosen Nokia, Ericsson, Samsung and Siemens. Bit of course, it really isn't about technical issues, it's just about the low prices that Huawei offers, and China Trade, as a quid pro quo for allowing Huawei.
What is nowhere to be seen are national security issues.
Two issues, the primary being national security, and the secondary being the reliance on a state backed competitor in the marketplace.
Ongoing argument in UK. A Bill has to be introduced and passed, and Tories likely want amendments, pushing for overall elimination of Huawei from networks.
Where were the national security issues in that? The only references that were made by people actually qualified to speak on the subject in that video used words like 'zero', 'nonsense' and 'rubbish' and the tory MP interviewed by the presenter simply rehashed what he had read on the internet! A supposed 'rebel'. LOL. He hadn't even bothered to dig into the real facts. He limited himself to regurgitating the accusations!
Anyway. Little to do with AI and irrelevant to this topic.
All these Silicon Valley firms just do not like doing anything to help their country! But that the way they feel!
Blind nationalism is cute.
“Helping their country” - Apple have businesses, employees and acquisitions in a long list of countries and pay taxes in even more.
Government contracts such as these pose an immediate conflict of interest. Want to be the next Huawei?
Although there is not a shred of evidence that Huawei did any more along these lines than Apple did. Just lots and lots and lots of propaganda.
It's not propaganda, i'ts the law -- every Chinese firm must do the bidding of the CCP. No exceptions. And considering that knockoff is founded and run by a high-ranking member of the CCP, it's particularly worrisome. To believe the CCP doesn't have influence in them is unreasonable. It's members lead the company and they must answer to the CCP.
Why you deny this at every opportunity is bizarre. I must conclude you have undisclosed interests.
Yeh, that's their own version of our Patriot Act. Why is it that right wingers find that so objectionable?
All these Silicon Valley firms just do not like doing anything to help their country! But that the way they feel!
Nationalism is horrible. A nation is the wrong unit to divvy up humanity. Patriotism is an excuse for extraordinary (extraordinarily bad) behavior.
Am I to interpret what you are saying as, nation states are a bad idea? If so, what would you propose in its place?
Nations and nationalism are not the same thing. Look it up.
Nationalism for instance, is one of the main propaganda tools used to rally the populace to get the fools to support wars and genocides as well as racism and xenophobia. Hitler used it to his advantage in the 1930's. Other dictators and wanna-be dictators also tap into it.
Very similar to the cultural and racial war China is waging among a minority within its own country, complete with a million put into camps, disappearings, and forced organ harvesting, as reported by the UN and numerous news sources.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
Bullshit.
China is spending heavily on becoming a military superpower, and at the same time has, as we can see today, a poor public healthcare system worsened by CCP policy of coverup.
As for the U.S. and its defense budgets, it is also the case that the U.S. has taken on the responsibility, since the end of WWII, of maintaining secure trade routes with our Navy, and providing, for the most part, the stability that allows global trade.
China is building its PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) at a pace in tonnage to match the U.S. in the next decade, and many of those will be very small tonnage ships that they already use to harass their neighbors and attempt ownership of islands against the decree of the UN.
I would also note that extrapolating China's growth, based on their less than stellar accounting practices, and given their aging population (that one child policy had a downside, which is why it has morphed to a two child policy) is flawed.
China has a huge aging population to deal with, much worse that most of the West, and that is going to impact its economy in the future.
Bullshit. It makes good propaganda points. But otherwise its bullshit.
Every country has the right to defend itself. But that pisses off the right wing hardliners in the U.S.
But you do have a point that they will have to deal with an aging population some time in the future. Here in the U.S. we have an even bigger problem with that right now. Our answer currently seems to be to ignore the fact our safety net systems like Social Security and Medicare are going broke while spending that money on more Aircraft carriers to try to contain an imaginary threat from China. So who are the fools?
All these Silicon Valley firms just do not like doing anything to help their country! But that the way they feel!
Blind nationalism is cute.
“Helping their country” - Apple have businesses, employees and acquisitions in a long list of countries and pay taxes in even more.
Government contracts such as these pose an immediate conflict of interest. Want to be the next Huawei?
This company's work will continue unchanged. The only difference is that Apple wants to keep it in-house.
There is no real conflict of interest in the classic sense.
AI vision has multiple uses and of course, there are military uses among those, which may lead to ethical or moral issues.
As for wanting to be the next Huawei. The answer is very much, yes. Being a world leader at every end of the ICT chain is where Apple would love to be.
Nope. Apple doens't need to be the "next" chinese knockoff brand. Nor does it want to a be puppet corporation controlled and brought to heel by the authoritarian single-party government. Get fucking real.
And not doing the work for the military is, by definition, a change in the work. Your need to spin is bizarre.
The problem you have is you simply can't comprehend that Huawei is not the knock off brand to incessantly claim it is. Carry on if you wish but the reality is there should you wish to open your eyes.
The work this company is doing is unlikely to change one iota. That is why Apple has bought them. What will probably change, is where and how it will be used. That isn't a change in the work and everything behind it.
And, as you probably aren't aware, Huawei (along with heaps of other companies) is already present in this area.
Smartphone deep learning rankings left out the iPhone. How can that be?
You continue to make the case that Huawei is a State Owned Enterprise, though you would deny that, which is why they are able to offer such low cost telecom buildout. The WTO should penalize Huawei for this, just as other countries are penalized for state support, especially in the EU.
Boris Johnson's plan to limit Huawei to non core in the UK is meeting a strong pushback, with some Tories advocating for complete elimination of Huawei from the UK in three years.
I don't know but can confirm that another AI ranking I sometimes follow doesn't list Apple devices either. I imagine it has more to do with software/library issues than anything else. The absence isn't that important as I was talking about the full stack and Apple just isn't in that game.
Huawei in the UK isn't relevant here. The U.S lost in its efforts to have them banned and is throwing a tantrum.
I prefer technical decisions to be based on the people who actually have a deep understanding of the issues on the table. Believe me, tory MPs don't have that understanding and neither do Trump, Pompeo, Pence, Rubio and Co.
Johnson had no real reason to listen to the U.S.
The only reason Boris is pushing Huawei, and Germany for that matter, is they are worried that China might retaliate in the trade negotiations.
You should stick to facts rather than right wing propaganda.
They need Huawei's products and expertise for both 4G and 5G. They also need them to provide a counter weight to the western cartels which they don't trust. Their systems have basically been spread 1/3 to each of the major vendors and they want it to remain so.
Strange that right wing free marketers would be so violently opposed to free markets.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Hardliners logic? Yeah, that's not me. Nobody is invading LA, dummy. If that's what you took from what I said about their growing military spending and rapid advancement and militarization of additional territory and stealing American IP to do it, which was in direct response to playing them as "investing in their people" versus the US who spends x on defense, then you're just deflecting because you have no real cogent argument here. Which brings us to...
Nice whataboutism! I'm fully aware of what happens here as well, and if you were making similar claims about the US (you weren't), I would've pointed out the same things. Ignore, my ass. But speaking of, "UNVERIFIED RUMORS"!!! WTF! Are you suggesting there aren't actually a million muslim Chinese in internment camps? FOR REAL?
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Hardliners logic? Yeah, that's not me. Nobody is invading LA, dummy. If that's what you took from what I said about their growing military spending and rapid advancement and militarization of additional territory and stealing American IP to do it, which was in direct response to playing them as "investing in their people" versus the US who spends x on defense, then you're just deflecting because you have no real cogent argument here. Which brings us to...
Nice whataboutism! I'm fully aware of what happens here as well, and if you were making similar claims about the US (you weren't), I would've pointed out the same things. Ignore, my ass. But speaking of, "UNVERIFIED RUMORS"!!! WTF! Are you suggesting there aren't actually a million muslim Chinese in internment camps? FOR REAL?
Well, that's what I took from the right wing conspiracy theories....
But I admit I was wrong. It won't be Las Angeles. More likely San Francisco. They have enough smog & congestion, but they like tech.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Hardliners logic? Yeah, that's not me. Nobody is invading LA, dummy. If that's what you took from what I said about their growing military spending and rapid advancement and militarization of additional territory and stealing American IP to do it, which was in direct response to playing them as "investing in their people" versus the US who spends x on defense, then you're just deflecting because you have no real cogent argument here. Which brings us to...
Nice whataboutism! I'm fully aware of what happens here as well, and if you were making similar claims about the US (you weren't), I would've pointed out the same things. Ignore, my ass. But speaking of, "UNVERIFIED RUMORS"!!! WTF! Are you suggesting there aren't actually a million muslim Chinese in internment camps? FOR REAL?
Well, that's what I took from the right wing conspiracy theories....
But I admit I was wrong. It won't be Las Angeles. More likely San Francisco. They have enough smog & congestion, but they like tech.
Okay, clown.
What? You think China will be invading Seattle instead?
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
LOL.... So more "facts" to support Trump's anti-China propaganda campaign?
Obviously you don't know how propaganda works.... You probably believe that Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza parlor. Or that Obama was in Africa. Or that Huawei poses a security threat to the free world. Or that a president can do anything he wants. Or that it was Ukraine who interfered in our 2016 election.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
LOL.... So more "facts" to support Trump's anti-China propaganda campaign?
Obviously you don't know how propaganda works.... You probably believe that Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza parlor. Or that Obama was in Africa. Or that Huawei poses a security threat to the free world. Or that a president can do anything he wants. Or that it was Ukraine who interfered in our 2016 election.
You really don't have a fucking clue.
I have stated over and over again that I am in fact anti-Trump, but facts are facts, and the Chinese are not the good guys because you believe that Trump is the bad guy.
Try actually educating yourself before you post.
Oh wait, that argument is a fucking waste of time on my part.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
LOL.... So more "facts" to support Trump's anti-China propaganda campaign?
Obviously you don't know how propaganda works.... You probably believe that Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza parlor. Or that Obama was in Africa. Or that Huawei poses a security threat to the free world. Or that a president can do anything he wants. Or that it was Ukraine who interfered in our 2016 election.
George, I think you might find this an interesting read independently of your final conclusions:
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
LOL.... So more "facts" to support Trump's anti-China propaganda campaign?
Obviously you don't know how propaganda works.... You probably believe that Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza parlor. Or that Obama was in Africa. Or that Huawei poses a security threat to the free world. Or that a president can do anything he wants. Or that it was Ukraine who interfered in our 2016 election.
You really don't have a fucking clue.
I have stated over and over again that I am in fact anti-Trump, but facts are facts, and the Chinese are not the good guys because you believe that Trump is the bad guy.
Try actually educating yourself before you post.
Oh wait, that argument is a fucking waste of time on my part.
The trouble is, I DO have a clue and I have educated myself. That's why I have not fallen for Trump's propaganda campaigns as you obviously have. He's a con man who preys on the fearful, paranoid and poorly informed.
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
LOL.... So more "facts" to support Trump's anti-China propaganda campaign?
Obviously you don't know how propaganda works.... You probably believe that Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza parlor. Or that Obama was in Africa. Or that Huawei poses a security threat to the free world. Or that a president can do anything he wants. Or that it was Ukraine who interfered in our 2016 election.
George, I think you might find this an interesting read independently of your final conclusions:
What is remarkable is how little Huawei and national security, as a real threat, are even mentioned.
Thanks, yes, that was interesting. Two takeaways for me:
1) I found that the whole article was based on the premise that China, and therefor Huawei are enemies of and threats to the United States. Yet that claim is based on the same foundation that led us to label Iraq as an enemy of and threat to the United States -- namely a total lack of evidence supplanted by pure fabrication. The only threat China has ever posed to the U.S. in the last 30 years is that they are predicted to assume the role as the world's largest economy -- but that is simply because they have been able build their industrial base while we have destroyed ours.
Which leads me to the main proposal of the article --- which I have always advocated:
2) The U.S. can best "protect itself" from competition from Huawei and China by rebuilding its abilities in electronics and communications using the same techniques and strategies that led to U.S. dominance throughout most of the 20th century (well the first 3/4's anyway): And that would be through a combination of government and private initiatives. In other words, we need to out compete China.
I would add however that simply rebuilding our electronics and communications superiority would do little to protect the U.S. from hostile nations because: Back in the 80's when Japan was doing to our steel and electronics industries what China has done to our industrial manufacturing the same points were raised: We would not be able to build necessary military hardware to protect ourselves without importing Japanese steel and electronics.
... In other words, the problem of depending on foreign nations for critical infrastucture and military components is not limited to electronics communications. It is pervasive and wide spread - and it certainly did not start with China.
So yes, we do need to make America great again. But we won't do that trying to block Huawei. The answer is (or should be) obvious to any who look with their eyes open: We simply have to do it better. We need to out compete them just as (as the article pointed out) we out competed the Soviet Union in the space race. John Kennedy would tell us that we can do it -- but only if we had the will to do what was necessary to win.
The trouble is: Not a single candidate running for November elections seems to have what it takes to inspire and direct the nation to rise to the necessary heights like Kennedy did. But then he would get laughed off the stage today when he said: "Ask not what your country can do for you -- but what you can do for your country" because today, what everybody on both sides seem to be asking is: "What are ya gonna do for me?"
The U.S. spends 1/3 of the total world defense spending and more than the next seven largest spenders combined.
While we spend over half of our discretionary spending on defense, China spends it on their own people and development. We respond by whining that they are a national security threat simply because they're passing us by as the world's largest economy. One wonders if we will wise up before or after we go broke.
You're drastically understating China's military budget and their rapid advances in military power, much of which is being developed with stolen IP from the US. Also their militarization and annexation of the South China sea complete with constructing and heavily arming new islands.
And already pointed out by someone else, but worth repeating, their inhumane crackdown on their muslim minorities complete with 85 internment camps and recent actions don't exactly paint the picture of a Nice Guy China that you seem to keep pushing here for inexplicable reasons.
Yeh, according to the right wing hardliners logic they'll be invading Las Angeles next.... ROFL...
I still don't understand though why they focus so much on unverified rumors about China but ignore the facts that the U.S. has put kids in cages and its militarized police regularly shoot unarmed black kids to death.
Unverified rumors?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work. They are seldom pure, 100% fabrication. Instead they contain just enough "facts" (often cherry picked or distorted) to make it sound credible to the fools and the cults. After the initial sales job it takes on a life of its own as the fools find additional "facts" to justify the original propaganda - and then get all huffy and insulted when the nonsense is challenged.
We saw that in action in the so called senate "trial" of Donald John Trump as his lawyers rolled out cherry picked, distorted and sometimes fabricated "facts" in order to give his cult an excuse to exonerate him. They heard what they wanted to hear and disregarded the rest in order to let him off the hook.
"You don't seem to grasp how propaganda campaigns work"
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
LOL.... So more "facts" to support Trump's anti-China propaganda campaign?
Obviously you don't know how propaganda works.... You probably believe that Hillary was running a pedophile ring out of a DC pizza parlor. Or that Obama was in Africa. Or that Huawei poses a security threat to the free world. Or that a president can do anything he wants. Or that it was Ukraine who interfered in our 2016 election.
George, I think you might find this an interesting read independently of your final conclusions:
What is remarkable is how little Huawei and national security, as a real threat, are even mentioned.
Thanks, yes, that was interesting. Two takeaways for me:
1) I found that the whole article was based on the premise that China, and therefor Huawei are enemies of and threats to the United States. Yet that claim is based on the same foundation that led us to label Iraq as an enemy of and threat to the United States -- namely a total lack of evidence supplanted by pure fabrication. The only threat China has ever posed to the U.S. in the last 30 years is that they are predicted to assume the role as the world's largest economy -- but that is simply because they have been able build their industrial base while we have destroyed ours.
Which leads me to the main proposal of the article --- which I have always advocated:
2) The U.S. can best "protect itself" from competition from Huawei and China by rebuilding its abilities in electronics and communications using the same techniques and strategies that led to U.S. dominance throughout most of the 20th century (well the first 3/4's anyway): And that would be through a combination of government and private initiatives. In other words, we need to out compete China.
I would add however that simply rebuilding our electronics and communications superiority would do little to protect the U.S. from hostile nations because: Back in the 80's when Japan was doing to our steel and electronics industries what China has done to our industrial manufacturing the same points were raised: We would not be able to build necessary military hardware to protect ourselves without importing Japanese steel and electronics.
... In other words, the problem of depending on foreign nations for critical infrastucture and military components is not limited to electronics communications. It is pervasive and wide spread - and it certainly did not start with China.
So yes, we do need to make America great again. But we won't do that trying to block Huawei. The answer is (or should be) obvious to any who look with their eyes open: We simply have to do it better. We need to out compete them just as (as the article pointed out) we out competed the Soviet Union in the space race. John Kennedy would tell us that we can do it -- but only if we had the will to do what was necessary to win.
The trouble is: Not a single candidate running for November elections seems to have what it takes to inspire and direct the nation to rise to the necessary heights like Kennedy did. But then he would get laughed off the stage today when he said: "Ask not what your country can do for you -- but what you can do for your country" because today, what everybody on both sides seem to be asking is: "What are ya gonna do for me?"
It all started in Australia, and it was Turnbull who convinced Trump to ban Huawei, not the other way around.
"In an interview with The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, Gilding says he asked his team to work out how a foreign adversary could attack Australia’s 5G network based on one critical assumption: that this adversary was able to assert control over the company that was actually supplying and maintaining key components of the 5G network.
Next, Mr Gilding told them to figure out what defences could be put in place to prevent such an attack."
"The answers he got informed Australia’s stunning 2018 decision to block Chinese firm Huawei from bidding to build the nation’s 5G network. It also throws into stark relief a decision made this week in Britain when, on Thursday, the UK government announced it would not follow Australia’s lead. Gilding's counterparts in British intelligence had produced a very different assessment to that of Gilding’s ASD officers: in the UK, Huawei will be welcomed to participate in the 5G rollout."
"Huawei argues that despite being headquartered in an authoritarian country where the Chinese Communist Party’s intelligence and military apparatus reign supreme, it operates free of government influence. But Gilding doesn’t buy this. He also insists his problem is not with Huawei, but with the Chinese state’s record of cyber attacks on Australia - and the fact that it has the power to direct private firms to follow its commands.
“We are not anti-China by any means. It is just that China has form over a decade of large-scale hacks of our networks.”
"In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
In other news, the U.S military is transmitting over ICT equipment in Iraq in a de facto combat setting with no issues even though that equipment is dominated by Huawei.
Meanwhile, back on topic, AI over 5G is clearly an area where voice and object recognition will play a massive role in the future. Edge and device processing will probably help in the automobile sector. It has been used for photography on device for a few years now and each generation of phone is increasing its AI accuracy for image recognition. I think there are more industrial uses but Apple isn't really in that field.
In other news, the U.S military is transmitting over ICT equipment in Iraq in a de facto combat setting with no issues even though that equipment is dominated by Huawei.
Meanwhile, back on topic, AI over 5G is clearly an area where voice and object recognition will play a massive role in the future. Edge and device processing will probably help in the automobile sector. It has been used for photography on device for a few years now and each generation of phone is increasing its AI accuracy for image recognition. I think there are more industrial uses but Apple isn't really in that field.
"Under intense questioning, Huawei’s Australian chair, former Admiral John Lord, and colleagues confirmed the key damaging Economist claims — that a Chinese Communist Party cell existed in the company above management. Lord’s defence was that all firms in China were required to act in this way. Further, he admitted Huawei was the recipient of massive soft loans from the Chinese government because it officially deemed the company a “national champion.”
At the time, it was not really that clearly understood that Huawei was not only capable of being manipulated by Beijing decision-makers but was, arguably, a strategic tool being used by Beijing for future domination of global communications.
Earlier, Labor prime minister Julia Gillard, along with communications minister Stephen Conroy, had seen to it that Huawei was initially blocked from the NBN, acting on the advice of our national security agencies; they, in turn, relying on the input of their brothers-in-arms from the Five Eyes intelligence networks."
The U.S. Military buildup in Darwin for the Marine Corp is absolutely due to the rise of the PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) and various deals that China has been conducting in the smaller island nations such as Bougainville and Vanuatu. If anything, the U.S. building a Port Facility in Darwin is related to the fact that a Chinese Company has a 99 year lease to the commercial Port of Darwin.
Comments
Anyway. Little to do with AI and irrelevant to this topic.
Yeh, that's their own version of our Patriot Act. Why is it that right wingers find that so objectionable?
Taking young children from their parents and putting them in cages. Lovely people those Americans.
Nice whataboutism! I'm fully aware of what happens here as well, and if you were making similar claims about the US (you weren't), I would've pointed out the same things. Ignore, my ass. But speaking of, "UNVERIFIED RUMORS"!!! WTF! Are you suggesting there aren't actually a million muslim Chinese in internment camps? FOR REAL?
I get that you don't actually accept any journalistic sources that are linked, given that you have voices in your head with all the "right" answers, but the crackdown on Muslim Minorities is real, brutal, and well established by multiple sources.
What? You think China will be invading Seattle instead?
LOL, what a lazy ass, illiterate, dumb shit, you portray yourself every time you post.
Do a search on "Chinese Influence operations in the West"
I'll wait...
Guess what?
You have been propagandized by the Chinese, driven by your irrational Trump hatred.
examples;
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/05/beijing-olympics-china-influence-campaigns/589186/
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3036441/singapore-sweden-chinas-overbearing-campaign-influence-forcing
https://www.recordedfuture.com/china-social-media-operations/
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/dec/07/china-plan-for-global-media-dominance-propaganda-xi-jinping
I have stated over and over again that I am in fact anti-Trump, but facts are facts, and the Chinese are not the good guys because you believe that Trump is the bad guy.
Try actually educating yourself before you post.
Oh wait, that argument is a fucking waste of time on my part.
Part 1
https://www.thecipherbrief.com/article/china/the-worst-possible-day-u-s-telecommunications-and-huawei
Part 2
https://www.thecipherbrief.com/the-worst-possible-day-us-telecommunications-and-huawei-pt-2
USA - Huawei - China
Fear, Supremacy, Strategic Errors
What is remarkable is how little Huawei and national security, as a real threat, are even mentioned.
The trouble is, I DO have a clue and I have educated myself. That's why I have not fallen for Trump's propaganda campaigns as you obviously have. He's a con man who preys on the fearful, paranoid and poorly informed.
Thanks, yes, that was interesting. Two takeaways for me:
It all started in Australia, and it was Turnbull who convinced Trump to ban Huawei, not the other way around.
"In an interview with The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, Gilding says he asked his team to work out how a foreign adversary could attack Australia’s 5G network based on one critical assumption: that this adversary was able to assert control over the company that was actually supplying and maintaining key components of the 5G network.
Next, Mr Gilding told them to figure out what defences could be put in place to prevent such an attack."
"The answers he got informed Australia’s stunning 2018 decision to block Chinese firm Huawei from bidding to build the nation’s 5G network. It also throws into stark relief a decision made this week in Britain when, on Thursday, the UK government announced it would not follow Australia’s lead. Gilding's counterparts in British intelligence had produced a very different assessment to that of Gilding’s ASD officers: in the UK, Huawei will be welcomed to participate in the 5G rollout."
"Huawei argues that despite being headquartered in an authoritarian country where the Chinese Communist Party’s intelligence and military apparatus reign supreme, it operates free of government influence. But Gilding doesn’t buy this. He also insists his problem is not with Huawei, but with the Chinese state’s record of cyber attacks on Australia - and the fact that it has the power to direct private firms to follow its commands.
“We are not anti-China by any means. It is just that China has form over a decade of large-scale hacks of our networks.”
"In carrying out Australia's assessment, his own team concluded that if they could coerce a network controller such as Huawei to insert complex code during a system update, they could gain control of parts of a 5G network and never be detected.
“They [the British] think they can manage the risk but we don’t think that is plausible given Huawei would be subject to direction from hostile intelligence services.”
Peaceful nation China is not...
https://www.itwire.com/open-sauce/real-reason-for-australia-s-huawei-ban-is-now-out-in-the-open.html
In other news, the U.S military is transmitting over ICT equipment in Iraq in a de facto combat setting with no issues even though that equipment is dominated by Huawei.
Meanwhile, back on topic, AI over 5G is clearly an area where voice and object recognition will play a massive role in the future. Edge and device processing will probably help in the automobile sector. It has been used for photography on device for a few years now and each generation of phone is increasing its AI accuracy for image recognition. I think there are more industrial uses but Apple isn't really in that field.
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2012/08/04/the-company-that-spooked-the-world
and this one;
https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/11/huawei-the-telco-that-spooked-canberra-and-the-world/
"Under intense questioning, Huawei’s Australian chair, former Admiral John Lord, and colleagues confirmed the key damaging Economist claims — that a Chinese Communist Party cell existed in the company above management. Lord’s defence was that all firms in China were required to act in this way. Further, he admitted Huawei was the recipient of massive soft loans from the Chinese government because it officially deemed the company a “national champion.”
At the time, it was not really that clearly understood that Huawei was not only capable of being manipulated by Beijing decision-makers but was, arguably, a strategic tool being used by Beijing for future domination of global communications.
Earlier, Labor prime minister Julia Gillard, along with communications minister Stephen Conroy, had seen to it that Huawei was initially blocked from the NBN, acting on the advice of our national security agencies; they, in turn, relying on the input of their brothers-in-arms from the Five Eyes intelligence networks."
The U.S. Military buildup in Darwin for the Marine Corp is absolutely due to the rise of the PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) and various deals that China has been conducting in the smaller island nations such as Bougainville and Vanuatu. If anything, the U.S. building a Port Facility in Darwin is related to the fact that a Chinese Company has a 99 year lease to the commercial Port of Darwin.