White House enlists Apple, tech companies in fight against coronavirus pandemic

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  • Reply 41 of 44
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    gatorguy said:
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    felix01 said:
    Does a person develop immunity to COVID-19 after they have acquired it and recovered? 

    The last I heard, probably, but we do not yet know for sure.  There have been reports of people being reinfected, but they are not sure if there might be extenuating circumstances (such as a false positive on a test, etc...)  That's one of the problems with having a gutted CDC -- not enough research, not enough science
    What are the Chinese saying about it? They would be the current worldwide experts on it and have had far more time and incentive to research the disease in depth. 

    That was from the Chinese.  They reported the reinfections but were uncertain of the accuracy of the reports (again, perhaps the original test was a false positive, etc.)   I have not heard anything from the U.S. on it -- which makes sense since we are in the early days of the spread of the infection and too early for re-infection to occur
    So the Chinese agency that would be most similar in tasking to the CDC is also gutted? I wouldn't expect so. If the Chinese don't know with far more exposure samples to work with and time to do so why are you finding fault with the CDC and claiming it's all because it's gutted? More forgiving of the Chinese or just more critical of the US? 
    ("That's one of the problems with having a gutted CDC -- not enough research, not enough science")

    No, the Chinese CDC wasn't gutted.   Ours, in the U.S. has been over the past 3 years.
    BS.

    "It’s misleading at best to claim Trump “slashed funding,” when his proposals haven’t taken effect. For instance, Trump’s fiscal 2020 budget proposal would have reduced CDC funding by $750.6 million, compared with what was enacted for fiscal 2019 (see the “program level” line in the linked document). But Congress passed, and Trump signed, a budget that increased CDC funding by $420 million.

    For fiscal 2019, Trump put forth a $1.36 billion cut to CDC’s funding in his budget proposal, but what ended up being enacted was a $261.6 million increase over what was passed the year before. The president proposed a 19.4% reduction, but Congress enacted a 3.7% increase.

    For fiscal 2018, Trump’s first full budget proposal as president, he proposed a 17% reduction in funding for the CDC, but what Congress enacted amounted to a 2.3% drop in funding for the annualized 2018 continuing resolution."


    So proposed is NOT the same as enacted. The CDC budget has not been gutted, and certainly not for three years running. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt one more time and assume you'll try to be an honest poster and simply didn't know any better. Now you do. 



    The facts as you admit are that Trump has been TRYING (AND NOT SUCCEEDING) to gut the agency at every turn...

    But nice try defending that idiot!


    LOL @ defending. You don't even understand what you say sometimes. Just because you were wrong you try to belittle the one pointing it out? That's not very adult...

    As I explained, Trump gutted the CDC and the Pandemic response team.  And we are suffering the consequences of his mismanagement.  That's all I need to understand. 

    And, by the way, by "idiot" I meant Trump not you.   You sound a little overly sensitive there.  Are you feeling foolish about defending that idiot?
    it was clear from the get-go "idiot" was meant for Trump and not me. Your first mistake was assuming the CDC's budget had been "gutted" going back three years. It wasn't.  You were mistaken.

    Your second major error is assuming that pointing out your mistake was me defending Mr. Trump, who I neither voted for nor support today. I simply defend the facts which you keep taking issue with and posting silliness about Republicans and Democrats and OMG Right Wing!! as tho one party was created from the Angels and the other from demons and only one could know the truth.

    Relax. Read more. Check your facts before getting so worked up over something that wasn't true to begin with. If you have a question about a claim try a search engine. Any provider that pleases you and passes your smell test will do. You have choices beyond the most popular one. When you claim someone else is wrong and basing it all on "right-wing media" then try posting your own link that counters it. George B Mac saying so is hardly an authoritative source. Opinions are one thing, we all ahve em, but try avoiding fact twisting or,  it seems more commonly, complete ignorance of them to justify what you believe.

    The current threat from the corona virus is not a political one tied to one party much as you would keep posting it is. It crosses Party lines and some of the blame in reacting to it predates any Trump presidency. (why are there only two parties anyway? There certainly aren't just two political viewpoints)
    https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

    LOL...  That's the problem!  Or, rather YOUR problem!   I do check facts -- the real ones rather than your right wing Alternative Versions.

    The right is SO very gullible.   Putin, Steve Bannon, Hannity, Trump, etc., etc., etc.,  lead you by the nose.

    But, you are correct:  the threat of the Corona virus is not a political one -- as much as Trump and the right would try to make it one.   But, since they totally failed to prepare for this before it arrived, then marginalized it and held secret meetings about it after it arrived, they have no choice but to call it "political" when they are called out for their gross negligence, incompetence and corruption.  (Just as they did when they were called out after Trump tried to cheat and undermine our upcoming election.  In fact, the pattern is clear:  whenever they are caught they always cry "hate" and "political" to the facts showing their corruption and ineptness)

    They can do that because the right wing base has shown the same blind loyalty to Trump as Germany did to Hitler in the 30's.  But, you are right when you imply that Trump  is merely a tool of the right wing propaganda machine and, once he is no longer useful to them they will cast him aside and move on to their next agenda.
    Can you seriously calm down.  Lots of people on this forum are not supporters of Trump, including people who you are shouting at.  And you do damage to your argument by casually bringing Hitler into the conversation.
  • Reply 42 of 44
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    felix01 said:
    Does a person develop immunity to COVID-19 after they have acquired it and recovered? 

    The last I heard, probably, but we do not yet know for sure.  There have been reports of people being reinfected, but they are not sure if there might be extenuating circumstances (such as a false positive on a test, etc...)  That's one of the problems with having a gutted CDC -- not enough research, not enough science
    What are the Chinese saying about it? They would be the current worldwide experts on it and have had far more time and incentive to research the disease in depth. 

    That was from the Chinese.  They reported the reinfections but were uncertain of the accuracy of the reports (again, perhaps the original test was a false positive, etc.)   I have not heard anything from the U.S. on it -- which makes sense since we are in the early days of the spread of the infection and too early for re-infection to occur
    So the Chinese agency that would be most similar in tasking to the CDC is also gutted? I wouldn't expect so. If the Chinese don't know with far more exposure samples to work with and time to do so why are you finding fault with the CDC and claiming it's all because it's gutted? More forgiving of the Chinese or just more critical of the US? 
    ("That's one of the problems with having a gutted CDC -- not enough research, not enough science")

    No, the Chinese CDC wasn't gutted.   Ours, in the U.S. has been over the past 3 years.
    BS.

    "It’s misleading at best to claim Trump “slashed funding,” when his proposals haven’t taken effect. For instance, Trump’s fiscal 2020 budget proposal would have reduced CDC funding by $750.6 million, compared with what was enacted for fiscal 2019 (see the “program level” line in the linked document). But Congress passed, and Trump signed, a budget that increased CDC funding by $420 million.

    For fiscal 2019, Trump put forth a $1.36 billion cut to CDC’s funding in his budget proposal, but what ended up being enacted was a $261.6 million increase over what was passed the year before. The president proposed a 19.4% reduction, but Congress enacted a 3.7% increase.

    For fiscal 2018, Trump’s first full budget proposal as president, he proposed a 17% reduction in funding for the CDC, but what Congress enacted amounted to a 2.3% drop in funding for the annualized 2018 continuing resolution."


    So proposed is NOT the same as enacted. The CDC budget has not been gutted, and certainly not for three years running. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt one more time and assume you'll try to be an honest poster and simply didn't know any better. Now you do. 



    The facts as you admit are that Trump has been TRYING (AND NOT SUCCEEDING) to gut the agency at every turn...

    But nice try defending that idiot!


    LOL @ defending. You don't even understand what you say sometimes. Just because you were wrong you try to belittle the one pointing it out? That's not very adult...

    As I explained, Trump gutted the CDC and the Pandemic response team.  And we are suffering the consequences of his mismanagement.  That's all I need to understand. 

    And, by the way, by "idiot" I meant Trump not you.   You sound a little overly sensitive there.  Are you feeling foolish about defending that idiot?
    it was clear from the get-go "idiot" was meant for Trump and not me. Your first mistake was assuming the CDC's budget had been "gutted" going back three years. It wasn't.  You were mistaken.

    Your second major error is assuming that pointing out your mistake was me defending Mr. Trump, who I neither voted for nor support today. I simply defend the facts which you keep taking issue with and posting silliness about Republicans and Democrats and OMG Right Wing!! as tho one party was created from the Angels and the other from demons and only one could know the truth.

    Relax. Read more. Check your facts before getting so worked up over something that wasn't true to begin with. If you have a question about a claim try a search engine. Any provider that pleases you and passes your smell test will do. You have choices beyond the most popular one. When you claim someone else is wrong and basing it all on "right-wing media" then try posting your own link that counters it. George B Mac saying so is hardly an authoritative source. Opinions are one thing, we all ahve em, but try avoiding fact twisting or,  it seems more commonly, complete ignorance of them to justify what you believe.

    The current threat from the corona virus is not a political one tied to one party much as you would keep posting it is. It crosses Party lines and some of the blame in reacting to it predates any Trump presidency. (why are there only two parties anyway? There certainly aren't just two political viewpoints)
    https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

    LOL...  That's the problem!  Or, rather YOUR problem!   I do check facts -- the real ones rather than your right wing Alternative Versions.

    The right is SO very gullible.   Putin, Steve Bannon, Hannity, Trump, etc., etc., etc.,  lead you by the nose.n to their next agenda.
    Yet once again you don't have any links, not even one, to a site where we can check these "real facts rather than the right wing Alternative versions" for ourselves.  Apparently even the AP is too right-wing for your liking. So for a start could you give us just one site you consider a reliable and trustworthy source oh enlightened one. 

    Ahhhh!   LOL!   The dual to the death of the Google Searches for "facts"....    Feel free.   Knock yourself out.   I'll stick to reality.
  • Reply 43 of 44
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,831administrator
    Dial it back.

    A lot.
    gatorguyrevenant
  • Reply 44 of 44
    RaspRasp Posts: 1member
    This is amazing. All these buttheaded comments are just girly-chirping about gossipy things to make the president look bad like all the fake media does. Did anybody pay attention to the real bombshell. The dang initiative is asking these tech companies to censor internet content based on their judgement, which they already are doing to a ridiculous level. Maybe Trump isn't as much a maverick as people thought. He used to fuss against censorship, now is asking for it, which should be making the swamp steam with pleasure.
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