Apple plans to reopen some Apple Store locations in the first half of April

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  • Reply 41 of 47
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    sacto joe said:
    bulk001 said:
    @sacrojoe (@soli you will be ignored) If those who are most vulnerable would isolate themselves the death rate would be significantly lower. Not everyone has to do this. 

    Your comments also highlight something else - if it is as terrible as you say then there should be no essential worker to provide alcohol and weed in Colorado. All medical works should stay home (after all their lives are just as important as yours), what about the people who grow our food, stack our store shelves, deliver our orders, get gas to gas stations? Shouldn’t they also isolate and let you just fend for yourself. As long as you are not inconvenienced it is okay? 

    Yes a lot of people will die. A lot die from the flu. But we don’t shut down the country for that (it almost doesn’t even get any attention in previous years where 15, 30 or 60 thousand people die without you giving them a single thought - full breakdown of hospitalizations and deaths from flu can be found at https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year). Are their lives any less important? Shouldn’t we have shut down the country for them too? 

    So not only is there a lot of needless paranoia and fear but also a lot of hypocrisy in the “concern” expressed by some. 
    Faulty logic, bulk. "Essential" means exactly what it says. Are you an essential worker? If so, you're actually duty bound to take your chances, but also duty bound to try your damndest not to catch the virus. Catching it both increases the chances you'll pass it on and increases the demand on the health care system.

    By definition, essential workers are workers required to keep the numbers of dead down. Your argument fails on that basis alone.

    I know you'd really like to defend your original statement from the basis of logic. But it's looking more and more like you just don't want to admit you were wrong.
    I love how he claims that he doesn't have to obey any regulations or guidelines because he has no symptoms. That's exactly the kind of ignorance that caused Mary Mallon to keep working with food and infecting and killing people with typhoid. Her entire life she simply couldn't fathom that she could be infect others without showing signs of being a carrier.


    fastasleepsacto joe
  • Reply 42 of 47
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    Kuyangkoh said:
    I'm sure you're invincible. From today's LA Times (where I reside): It’s not just older people who are getting sick. Of those who have tested positive in Los Angeles County, for example, 80% are people ages 18 to 65, and 42% are in the 18-40 age group. As confirmed cases surpass 660, Los Angeles County on Tuesday confirmed four more deaths linked to the coronavirus, including the first of a person under the age of 18. 
    So, who again is insane? Totally worth it to lose your life (or infect me, or my wife, or teenage daughters) for the freedom to wander into a store to purchase an Apple Pencil or Watch. /s
    You’re not being forced to go to Apple....like when i have flu, I stayed in my room before I do my thing outside.....so if you’re sick, what the heck are you doing in Apple store??
    People don’t have to go to an Apple store to become infected by people who may have contracted this in an Apple store. Who delivers your mail, delivers your packages? They’re contracting this more quickly because they see lots of people on the job. The other day i had to do to Duane Reade for vital prescriptions. Yes, i have the correct mask, a P100 (P because I use them in my shops, and P is for oil and other oily aerosols), and gloves. But not a single person working there had a mask. Not even those in the pharmacy. They had a blue tape line that people were supposed to stand behind when on line, but when you went to the counter, you were two feet away. Any of these people could go to an Apple store.

    I don't know what they’re doing in an Apple store where everyone mingles, But this isn’t good.
  • Reply 43 of 47
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member

    sacto joe said:
    bulk001 said:
    @sacrojoe (@soli you will be ignored) If those who are most vulnerable would isolate themselves the death rate would be significantly lower. Not everyone has to do this. 

    Your comments also highlight something else - if it is as terrible as you say then there should be no essential worker to provide alcohol and weed in Colorado. All medical works should stay home (after all their lives are just as important as yours), what about the people who grow our food, stack our store shelves, deliver our orders, get gas to gas stations? Shouldn’t they also isolate and let you just fend for yourself. As long as you are not inconvenienced it is okay? 

    Yes a lot of people will die. A lot die from the flu. But we don’t shut down the country for that (it almost doesn’t even get any attention in previous years where 15, 30 or 60 thousand people die without you giving them a single thought - full breakdown of hospitalizations and deaths from flu can be found at https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year). Are their lives any less important? Shouldn’t we have shut down the country for them too? 

    So not only is there a lot of needless paranoia and fear but also a lot of hypocrisy in the “concern” expressed by some. 
    Faulty logic, bulk. "Essential" means exactly what it says. Are you an essential worker? If so, you're actually duty bound to take your chances, but also duty bound to try your damndest not to catch the virus. Catching it both increases the chances you'll pass it on and increases the demand on the health care system.

    By definition, essential workers are workers required to keep the numbers of dead down. Your argument fails on that basis alone.

    I know you'd really like to defend your original statement from the basis of logic. But it's looking more and more like you just don't want to admit you were wrong.
    It’s a bit more complex than that.no matter how bad this gets, everything isn’t going to shut down, that’s impossible. So there are sectors of the economy that will continue. My daughter’s company in Texas was declared, by the government, to be essential, and she was declared to be an essential employee. Fortunately, she has been working from home for almost two weeks now through logging in on her computer.
  • Reply 44 of 47
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    melgross said:
    Kuyangkoh said:
    I'm sure you're invincible. From today's LA Times (where I reside): It’s not just older people who are getting sick. Of those who have tested positive in Los Angeles County, for example, 80% are people ages 18 to 65, and 42% are in the 18-40 age group. As confirmed cases surpass 660, Los Angeles County on Tuesday confirmed four more deaths linked to the coronavirus, including the first of a person under the age of 18. 
    So, who again is insane? Totally worth it to lose your life (or infect me, or my wife, or teenage daughters) for the freedom to wander into a store to purchase an Apple Pencil or Watch. /s
    You’re not being forced to go to Apple....like when i have flu, I stayed in my room before I do my thing outside.....so if you’re sick, what the heck are you doing in Apple store??
    People don’t have to go to an Apple store to become infected by people who may have contracted this in an Apple store. Who delivers your mail, delivers your packages? They’re contracting this more quickly because they see lots of people on the job. The other day i had to do to Duane Reade for vital prescriptions. Yes, i have the correct mask, a P100 (P because I use them in my shops, and P is for oil and other oily aerosols), and gloves. But not a single person working there had a mask. Not even those in the pharmacy. They had a blue tape line that people were supposed to stand behind when on line, but when you went to the counter, you were two feet away. Any of these people could go to an Apple store.

    I don't know what they’re doing in an Apple store where everyone mingles, But this isn’t good.
    It is amazing that people see one form of safety measure and then ignore others. Sometimes it seems like it allows them to ignore others. For example, I was in a store yesterday buying some needed (and desired) items. I come to the checkout counter and there is tape indicating 6 foot distances and the cashier is wearing gloves. All a good sign. I get up to the front and he coughs into his fisted hand and then proceeds to grab all my items to check them out. He didn't turn his head or couch into his arm or shoulder, and he didn't replace his gloves. He obviously felt that because he was wearing a gloves that there couldn't be any transfer. I left without those items. Regardless of what is going on in the world, I wouldn't have been OK with that experience.
    edited March 2020 fastasleep
  • Reply 45 of 47
    sacto joesacto joe Posts: 895member
    melgross said:

    sacto joe said:
    bulk001 said:
    @sacrojoe (@soli you will be ignored) If those who are most vulnerable would isolate themselves the death rate would be significantly lower. Not everyone has to do this. 

    Your comments also highlight something else - if it is as terrible as you say then there should be no essential worker to provide alcohol and weed in Colorado. All medical works should stay home (after all their lives are just as important as yours), what about the people who grow our food, stack our store shelves, deliver our orders, get gas to gas stations? Shouldn’t they also isolate and let you just fend for yourself. As long as you are not inconvenienced it is okay? 

    Yes a lot of people will die. A lot die from the flu. But we don’t shut down the country for that (it almost doesn’t even get any attention in previous years where 15, 30 or 60 thousand people die without you giving them a single thought - full breakdown of hospitalizations and deaths from flu can be found at https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year). Are their lives any less important? Shouldn’t we have shut down the country for them too? 

    So not only is there a lot of needless paranoia and fear but also a lot of hypocrisy in the “concern” expressed by some. 
    Faulty logic, bulk. "Essential" means exactly what it says. Are you an essential worker? If so, you're actually duty bound to take your chances, but also duty bound to try your damndest not to catch the virus. Catching it both increases the chances you'll pass it on and increases the demand on the health care system.

    By definition, essential workers are workers required to keep the numbers of dead down. Your argument fails on that basis alone.

    I know you'd really like to defend your original statement from the basis of logic. But it's looking more and more like you just don't want to admit you were wrong.
    It’s a bit more complex than that.no matter how bad this gets, everything isn’t going to shut down, that’s impossible. So there are sectors of the economy that will continue. My daughter’s company in Texas was declared, by the government, to be essential, and she was declared to be an essential employee. Fortunately, she has been working from home for almost two weeks now through logging in on her computer.
    I write this, even though the post has now gotten increasingly buried, because there's nothing "complex" in bulk's argument. 

    "A lot die from the flu. But we don’t shut down the country for that..."

    That right there is the weak link in his argument. There's no argument with "essential" jobs requiring at-risk folks to risk more, although I'd argue those folks deserve some form of special compensation and as much protective gear as humanly possible. So the idea that I'm arguing we should "shut down the country" is simple hyperbole.

    Please don't fall into his wordsmith trap.
    fastasleep
  • Reply 46 of 47
    horvatichorvatic Posts: 144member
    I think the media took her message out of context. She said they would look at it, not do it if the risk was to high. Right now I don't know a state in the Union that is safe enough or stable enough for anyone to get back to work. So far Apple has been really good at taking care of its employees through this crisis. I hope they don't jump the gun and blow it not just for the employees but for the public as well.
  • Reply 47 of 47
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,088member
    horvatic said:
    I think the media took her message out of context. She said they would look at it, not do it if the risk was to high. Right now I don't know a state in the Union that is safe enough or stable enough for anyone to get back to work. So far Apple has been really good at taking care of its employees through this crisis. I hope they don't jump the gun and blow it not just for the employees but for the public as well.
    There's such a wide range of what even New York, the current epicenter, considers 'essential".  They allow millions of people to continue working even thru "stay-at-home" orders. The country is not "shut down" as much as some here believe. FWIW my own businesses are deemed to be essential manufacturing facilities. Still operating but with only the staff absolutely required for operations and with almost no mingling.

    For purposes of Executive Order 202.6 (New York), “Essential Business,” means businesses operating in or as:

    1. Essential health care operations including

    • research and laboratory services
    • hospitals
    • walk-in-care health clinics and facilities
    • emergency veterinary, livestock services
    • senior/elder care
    • medical wholesale and distribution
    • home health care workers or aides for the elderly
    • doctor and emergency dental
    • nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
    • medical supplies and equipment manufacturers and providers
    • licensed mental health providers
    • licensed substance abuse treatment providers
    • medical billing support personnel

     

    2. Essential infrastructure including

    • public and private utilities including but not limited to power generation, fuel supply and transmission
    • public water and wastewater
    • telecommunications and data centers
    • airports/airlines
    • commercial shipping vessels/ports and seaports
    • transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, for-hire vehicles, garages
    • hotels, and places of accommodation

     

    3. Essential manufacturing including

    • food processing, manufacturing agents, including all foods and beverages
    • chemicals
    • medical equipment/instruments
    • pharmaceuticals
    • sanitary products including personal care products regulated by the Food and Drug Administration
    • telecommunications
    • microelectronics/semi-conductor
    • food-producing agriculture/farms
    • household paper products
    • defense industry and the transportation infrastructure

     

    4. Essential retail including

    • grocery stores including all food and beverage stores
    • pharmacies
    • convenience stores
    • farmer’s markets
    • gas stations
    • restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery)
    • hardware, appliance and building material stores
    • pet food
    edited April 2020
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