If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
I just prefer reality to ideology. But that's just me.
But yeh, whether you look at it from a perspective of ideology or reality, the U.S. healthcare system is quite obviously bizarre.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Right, so you didn't actually watch the video or read the article; fair enough, I know clicking through is tricky for some people.
As well as the procurement of masks, Cook also mentioned that Apple design engineers have created a new mask that is faster to manufacture, is easier to ship in bulk, and can be assembled in minutes. That was actually clearly stated in the article.
The rest of your post is made up of the usual 'maybes' and 'probablys' so you clearly don't have the information on how Apple is procuring the masks.
One thing that these companies can do better than hospitals, individual trusts and one or two governments run by incompetent nincompoops who claim to be top-notch wheeler-dealers, is negotiate better prices when buying by the million, which health trusts cannot do, and the companies that run hospitals would rather not do. Because believe it or not, the prices on these vital items have rocketed since the virus broke. That's what happens when the market is allowed to run free; you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
What America needs to do is mandate that these medicines, medical equipment and PPE are manufactured in the US or atleast impose 400% Tariffs. Trump is right on the need to roll back globalism which is why the globalist billionaire controlled Democrats fight him and are wrong. Likewise Similar tariffs should be Applied to electronics like the iPhones. China can not be trusted to operate fairly or transparently.
Sorry, but you are 40 years late. Globalization is a fact and it's here to stay. We tried the go it alone strategy with test kits and it was a total fiasco.
The fact that Trump has been fiddling since this virus was announced back in 2019 doesn't absolve him of responsibility.
Trump has done the greatest job. That’s why his Ratings are through the roof. Better than even the Batchelor. Obama was never that good.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
The ideology that healthcare shouldn't be reserved for those that can flex the most muscle and spend the most money? I heartily sign up to ElCapitan's ideology*, and won't hesitate to call out and criticise those that don't.
* Not sure I agree with him about this story though, I don't think we have all the info about what Apple has done here.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
Nope China IS THE PROBLEM. Have you missed the news? This is where this virus was created whether intentionally or not. This is where they hid information about it and sent out incorrect information.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
This is the same answer that I would give on anything that is mission critical or National Security related; you don't want to be locked into buying from an adversary, yet, here we are.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
you need experienced companies run by people like Cook, who know how to bleed the most out of the supply chain.
No, you don't. You need virtue signaling companies to stay out of the global supply queue when they have no direct need for the masks.
There are countries around the world cheering when they manage to get hold of 1.5 million masks, so their health care workers don't have to use the same masks 10 times or more.
Countries out there have to set up secret transports of masks in order not to be robbed or have their shipments seised in transit (like Turkey did with medical supplies transported through the country), or countries that simply cannot effort to pay, or loose in competition with entities such as Apple who can afford to.
If Apple actually used its buying power and logistics skills to supply countries and areas that are in most need without bragging about it, I would not say a thing except praise. Now they are only operating in a reprehensible manner driving prices up, and limiting critical supply to others.
I think you're completely misunderstanding what Apple has been doing. They aren't hoarding masks, they are helping get masks to the organizations who need them. Come back to me with a source at a hospital or health organization with a complaint about Apple's efforts and I'll listen. Otherwise, you appear to be just making stuff up.
There have been multiple reports last week that big quantities of masks have been snatched up by American corporations leaving entire countries without supply. The epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak is currently in Europe and the actions of Americans have significantly limited/restrained supply to the areas needing it most.
Apple has NO past or current business in the medical supply chain, and should keep its fingers as far away as possible from interfering in it by using big cash to get supply they don't need at all. What they do is pure virtual signaling.
If they make some face shields – fine. There have been people publishing and sharing plans and methods for 3D printing them all over the internet for weeks. Even here they are latecomers.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
The ideology that healthcare shouldn't be reserved for those that can flex the most muscle and spend the most money? .....
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
Nope China IS THE PROBLEM. Have you missed the news? This is where this virus was created whether intentionally or not. This is where they hid information about it and sent out incorrect information.
I didn't miss the news -- only the right wing propaganda. Or, maybe I was just laughing too hard at the desperate attempt to distract from Russian attacks on our country and Trump's negligence, incompetence and corruption.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
This is the same answer that I would give on anything that is mission critical or National Security related; you don't want to be locked into buying from an adversary, yet, here we are.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
Sorry, I just don't buy into the right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruption.
China is no more our "adversary" than Google is an "adversary" of Apple -- or vice-versa.
Amazing how these free marketers react when the free market works against them.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
The ideology that healthcare shouldn't be reserved for those that can flex the most muscle and spend the most money? .....
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
This is the same answer that I would give on anything that is mission critical or National Security related; you don't want to be locked into buying from an adversary, yet, here we are.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
Sorry, I just don't buy into the right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruption.
China is no more our "adversary" than Google is an "adversary" of Apple -- or vice-versa.
Amazing how these free marketers react when the free market works against them.
You need to stop with "right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruptions" given that China is actually a threat to democracies and is actually a known human rights violator. None of that is in dispute, contrary to your statements.
This coming from a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
You might want to look up Henry "Scoop" Jackson;
from his wikipedia;
"His political beliefs were characterized by support of civil rights, human rights, and safeguarding the environment, but with an equally strong commitment to oppose totalitarianism in general, and communism in particular.[2] The political philosophies and positions of Scoop Jackson have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, both of whom previously served as aides to the Senator.[1]"
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Ignorance on parade. Apple and its supply partners certainly have business use cases for masks in their production facilities. Apple was able to get these partners in the supply chain to give them the masks, so that they could indeed give them to healthcare workers.
Your irrational need to hate on Apple is a neurosis, and is clouding your judgement here. The Procuring and donating these masks is an infinitely good thing. Get fucking real.
Apple did not produce jack shit yet. They announced the intention to produce SHIELDS, which is perfectly fine.
The contention is over 20M protective MASKS that is CRITICALLY needed elsewhere, and not in Apple's possession.
This dude has no idea what he's even talking about. The amount of cluelessness displayed leads me to believe this is a guy who's never left the basement, etc. That or he's just trolling everyone.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Ignorance on parade. Apple and its supply partners certainly have business use cases for masks in their production facilities. Apple was able to get these partners in the supply chain to give them the masks, so that they could indeed give them to healthcare workers.
Your irrational need to hate on Apple is a neurosis, and is clouding your judgement here. The Procuring and donating these masks is an infinitely good thing. Get fucking real.
Apple did not produce jack shit yet. They announced the intention to produce SHIELDS, which is perfectly fine.
FTFA: "Apple has already delivered its first shipment of the face shields to Kaiser hospital facilities in the Santa Clara Valley in the last week, and has already received "positive" feedback from doctors, according to Cook. "
There you pretty much described the issue in a nutshell: Apple is removing 20M masks from a very supply constrained market and redistributing them to a hospital that hardly need any of them right now. Meanwhile people and health care personell in Europe are dying in the thousands every day partly for lack of personal protective equipment as it cannot be sourced in the market.
Distributing these maske to their immediate backyard is nothing but virtue signaling.
Chris this guy doesn't get it. It's like he's arguing that we aren't having a medical crisis here in the US where thousands have died and are dying. Yes, we absolutely need the PPE here in the US. I'm glad one of our US-based companies has helped secure them for our front-line healthcare workers who are going without, re-using the same 8-hour-disposable mask for an entire week, etc.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
Nope China IS THE PROBLEM. Have you missed the news? This is where this virus was created whether intentionally or not. This is where they hid information about it and sent out incorrect information.
China drug its heels and should be shamed for that, but the current administration has too many failings to count, which it should be shamed for. Like ignoring the 2017 warning from the Obama transition team, then firing his pandemic chief in 2018 and closing the pandemic office, then cutting CDC funding and global teams, then ignoring its own intelligence reports in 2020 and instead siding with Chinese President Xi. And then all the colossal bungling since then and complete failure to have stockpiled or acquired PPE.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
This is the same answer that I would give on anything that is mission critical or National Security related; you don't want to be locked into buying from an adversary, yet, here we are.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
Sorry, I just don't buy into the right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruption.
China is no more our "adversary" than Google is an "adversary" of Apple -- or vice-versa.
Amazing how these free marketers react when the free market works against them.
You need to stop with "right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruptions" given that China is actually a threat to democracies and is actually a known human rights violator. None of that is in dispute, contrary to your statements.
This coming from a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
You might want to look up Henry "Scoop" Jackson;
from his wikipedia;
"His political beliefs were characterized by support of civil rights, human rights, and safeguarding the environment, but with an equally strong commitment to oppose totalitarianism in general, and communism in particular.[2] The political philosophies and positions of Scoop Jackson have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, both of whom previously served as aides to the Senator.[1]"
Based on George's posting history, I'm quite certain he has undisclosed ties to China. He is constantly propping it up and denying any and all human rights violations, threats to democracy, freedom of speech, etc. He's an astroturfed of some sort.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
This is the same answer that I would give on anything that is mission critical or National Security related; you don't want to be locked into buying from an adversary, yet, here we are.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
Sorry, I just don't buy into the right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruption.
China is no more our "adversary" than Google is an "adversary" of Apple -- or vice-versa.
Amazing how these free marketers react when the free market works against them.
You need to stop with "right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruptions" given that China is actually a threat to democracies and is actually a known human rights violator. None of that is in dispute, contrary to your statements.
This coming from a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
You might want to look up Henry "Scoop" Jackson;
from his wikipedia;
"His political beliefs were characterized by support of civil rights, human rights, and safeguarding the environment, but with an equally strong commitment to oppose totalitarianism in general, and communism in particular.[2] The political philosophies and positions of Scoop Jackson have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, both of whom previously served as aides to the Senator.[1]"
Why would I stop? It's the truth. The right is running a propaganda campaign against China.
It started with Trump and his protectionism which he justified as a national defense since China has been in the process of displacing us as the world's leading economy. But, after he got Wall Street access to their markets he's mostly quieted down. But the right wing crazies have continued their smear campaign.
50 years ago China WAS a national security threat. But Nixon wisely ended that and since then they have been a competitor -- and gotten so good at it that they have been beating us at our own game: capitalism. There IS a difference between a threat and a competitor! A BIG difference. But, the right sees every competitor as an enemy -- even Democrats.
If these are not masks that Apple somehow magically have come up with independently of all other sources, Apple should get out of the queue of HC institutions and countries across the planet desperately clamoring for such masks on the global market. 20 million masks to Apple means some others needy in another country probably would go short of masks. (that is how brutal the global market for masks is right now)
Having the masks on hand, Apple should donate the masks to the US federal pooled resources so they can be distributed to those needing them most, and get out of the business of virtue signaling.
Sourcing 20M masks and designing/shipping a new face shield is now defined as "virtue signalling"?
Sourcing 20M masks for a company that has absolutely no direct use of the masks when the supply situation is CRITICAL for health care personell across the planet - effectively removing that supply from the market is reckless at best. It is clearly used for virtue signaling by Apple.
The only honorable action by Apple is immediately giving up their stock and return it for distribution between HC professionals where they are needed the most – also outside the US.
Apple's business is sourcing materials and getting manufacturers to make products. Steve Jobs historically got Corning to take something they created decades earlier with no perceived market value to Corning and put it into production in a timeframe so short that the iPhone he demoed on stage in January wasn't made of what would be trademarked as Gorilla Glass and the CEO of Corning didn't think was possible to ramp up production for a June launch. Apple—even if you hate them—you have to admit that they are the best at being able to get textiles makers, plastic molders, countless other types of vendors to ship components to manufacturers who can ramp up production based on Apple's direction to make masks produced. For all you know these masks are being created with materials and on assembly lines that would otherwise be used for Apple products. What I don't understand is how someone can be so callous and cruel as to be upset when someone helps others as to only look for some alternative reasoning and try their damndest to make it seem like a bad thing to help others.
Because they ROB THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST by removing this stock of masks from the market for their own fucked up virtue signaling distribution!
And no, it is not produced by Apple factories and / or materials.
Add to that. On EVERY UK government presser last week, the journalists brought stories of HC personell not having PPE because it could not be sourced on the international market as American corporations were snatching up large quantities. Entire COUNTRIES are in short supply while Apple sits on 20 million masks that would save lives all over Europe. Now even with the UK PM in ICU.
Excuse me, but your ideology is showing...
Is that a problem for you?
When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
Trying to pin this entirely on America, and especially Apple, is bullshit. Medical teams throughout the world, including the U.S., are short PPE, ventilators, Pharmaceuticals, and other supplies. Most of that is due to the world relying on China for production of those things, or putting all of our eggs in China's basket, and all the while it was China that was buying up those PPE stocks around the world to save itself in the Hubei Province.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
The problem of not enough PPE and ventilators in hospitals is not THE problem, rather it is a symptom of the problem:
The U.S. saw this coming and did nothing: It marginalized the impact, did not prepare tests, did not educate the public, nor did it supply the populace with the protective supplies they needed (masks, gloves, sanitizing products, etc.) to keep themselves safe and healthy. So now they are flooding the healthcare system.
As for making healthcare products in China: That is done simply because China does it better, cheaper and faster -- so capitalism demands that it be done there as the most efficient producers. The problem now is the right wing's cold war against China has interfered with that arrangement and blocked us from accepting their products -- we were warned not to do that, but did it anyway. It's not China who is the problem here.
This is the same answer that I would give on anything that is mission critical or National Security related; you don't want to be locked into buying from an adversary, yet, here we are.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
Sorry, I just don't buy into the right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruption.
China is no more our "adversary" than Google is an "adversary" of Apple -- or vice-versa.
Amazing how these free marketers react when the free market works against them.
You need to stop with "right wing attempts at creating a cold war with China in order to distract from their own corruptions" given that China is actually a threat to democracies and is actually a known human rights violator. None of that is in dispute, contrary to your statements.
This coming from a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
You might want to look up Henry "Scoop" Jackson;
from his wikipedia;
"His political beliefs were characterized by support of civil rights, human rights, and safeguarding the environment, but with an equally strong commitment to oppose totalitarianism in general, and communism in particular.[2] The political philosophies and positions of Scoop Jackson have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, both of whom previously served as aides to the Senator.[1]"
Based on George's posting history, I'm quite certain he has undisclosed ties to China. He is constantly propping it up and denying any and all human rights violations, threats to democracy, freedom of speech, etc. He's an astroturfed of some sort.
I do have Chinese ties and I'm happy to disclose them: I love the high quality products they produce at very cheap prices.
I also like how they set an example of honesty in government that I would love for us to follow. Maybe next year. Unless Trump cheats again.
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When it comes to HC, the US is the odd man out with a system that is completely bizarre. The rest of the world has figured this out a long time ago.
That's the nature of pandemics, especially when almost all countries waited too long to respond. I mean, what the fuck, up until about a two week ago, Brexit UK's plan was herd immunity. Then, Brexit UK figured out that plan was absolutely untenable.
I'm guessing that Brexit means "going it alone", or "fuck it, we give up", but now that one of its chief architects of Brexit is infected with the Coronavirus, it's easy for your media to paint Americans as the villains. The U.S. knew about the epidemic in China at least by January 3rd, and did nothing about it for almost a month, and even then, our Administration, and many states, bungled the response, over, and over, again.
So chill, we're all in this together.
* Not sure I agree with him about this story though, I don't think we have all the info about what Apple has done here.
Did you not understand that Chinese diaspora and Chinese Companies operating around the world bought up 2 billion masks, 2 1/2 months of production in China, stripping other countries of their PPE supplies during China's first epidemic wave? What does that tell you about bringing mission critical industries back into our own countries?
China is, in fact part of the problem. Now China is running a huge propaganda campaign purporting to show the world how to tame this pandemic. Don't buy it.
I would note that this should be a wakeup call about Huawei as well, but of course, you don't understand National Security, so you won't see this. The evidence is examples Zoom and Tik Tok capturing date and sending it to or thru China.
https://www.chinafile.com/conversation/what-does-coronavirus-mean-eu-china-relations
"As of now, the epicenter of the health crisis has moved to Italy. The death toll in several European countries exceeds that of China. Meanwhile, the U.S. government estimates America might lose as many as 200,000 people. As we languish, China has started a hard propaganda campaign to peddle the narrative of a triumphant nation, which, guided by the people’s leader Xi Jinping, has triumphed over the virus, helped buy time for the rest of the world through its valiant fight, demonstrated the superiority of its political system, and is now graciously willing to help everybody in need.
The jury is still out on the level of damage China’s economy will suffer from this crisis. In Europe’s case, we can only speculate how much economic turndown and uncreative destruction we will witness. Our woes might prolong and deepen China’s predicament. But politically, one outcome of the last two months is already obvious: More than ever before, China will be playing offense and Europe defense. Some elements of our European predicament are self-inflicted. It was European selfishness and lack of solidarity that granted China the opportunity to present itself as “friend and brother” to those left to fend for themselves, at least initially, by their European partners. Tellingly, Paris and Berlin found it important to stress that together they had sent more face masks to Italy than China had. Had China played its cards modestly, it could have collected a wealth of goodwill beyond reproach. But China pushed too aggressively. It peddled lies about the origin of the virus. It boasted too much about its provision of what, in some cases, turned out to be faulty masks. It created credibility problems with the reliability of its own case figures. Collaboratively, the Chinese Party-state and Huawei tried to exploit the situation economically in several countries, notably in the Netherlands but also in Germany and the U.S.
China effectively did all it needed to convince reluctant leaders, both at Downing Street and in Berlin’s Chancellery, that they had to push back against Chinese arrogance. China skepticism has already been spreading throughout Europe over the last year and a half. But the level of resolve with which political leaders attended to changing sentiment from the business community and from civil society was not very high. I expect this will change.
In short: Over the past two months, China has lost Europe."
That's values rather than ideology.
I didn't miss the news -- only the right wing propaganda. Or, maybe I was just laughing too hard at the desperate attempt to distract from Russian attacks on our country and Trump's negligence, incompetence and corruption.
This coming from a Scoop Jackson Democrat.
You might want to look up Henry "Scoop" Jackson;
from his wikipedia;
"His political beliefs were characterized by support of civil rights, human rights, and safeguarding the environment, but with an equally strong commitment to oppose totalitarianism in general, and communism in particular.[2] The political philosophies and positions of Scoop Jackson have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, both of whom previously served as aides to the Senator.[1]"
Chris this guy doesn't get it. It's like he's arguing that we aren't having a medical crisis here in the US where thousands have died and are dying. Yes, we absolutely need the PPE here in the US. I'm glad one of our US-based companies has helped secure them for our front-line healthcare workers who are going without, re-using the same 8-hour-disposable mask for an entire week, etc.
Get. A fucking. Clue.
Based on George's posting history, I'm quite certain he has undisclosed ties to China. He is constantly propping it up and denying any and all human rights violations, threats to democracy, freedom of speech, etc. He's an astroturfed of some sort.