Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
National Security has never been beholden to "innocent until proven guilty". It is all about risk assessment.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Since you don’t care to research because it’s easier to say orange man bad, here’s two recent stories on AppleInsider to get you up to date;
That’s just what we know about. Who knows what else there is going on that we either haven’t found yet or been told about. Even with all of this I’m sure you’ll continue to have more trust in the communist dictatorship over the orange man.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
There are plenty of things that you logically speaking can't prove, that still would fall under common sense; like how you can't prove that it's going to rain, but if you leave your home and see clouds looking a certain way, then you bring an umbrella.
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Germany (and the EU) are dependent on China because their economies are inextricably linked. They are completely screwed.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
There are plenty of things that you logically speaking can't prove, that still would fall under common sense; like how you can't prove that it's going to rain, but if you leave your home and see clouds looking a certain way, then you bring an umbrella.
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
Edit: Removed non-functioning emojis.
Everybody spies. On everybody else.
The problem with your argument (from a western perspective) is that it isn't common sense at all.
If it were, evidence would be required to justify the action.
There is none they can present so they fall back onto magical executive orders tailored to their specific needs.
This particular case looks like it will be challenged in the courts.
This just part of the wider package of measures to thwart China's rise. Very few people doubt that IMO.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
There are plenty of things that you logically speaking can't prove, that still would fall under common sense; like how you can't prove that it's going to rain, but if you leave your home and see clouds looking a certain way, then you bring an umbrella.
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
Edit: Removed non-functioning emojis.
Everybody spies. On everybody else.
The problem with your argument (from a western perspective) is that it isn't common sense at all.
If it were, evidence would be required to justify the action.
There is none they can present so they fall back onto magical executive orders tailored to their specific needs.
This particular case looks like it will be challenged in the courts.
This just part of the wider package of measures to thwart China's rise. Very few people doubt that IMO.
You can't prove everything that is about to happen before it actually happens; we simply don't live in a deterministic timeline where we can also watch the future before it happens.
And you know that that argument of yours doesn't hold, you just dishonestly try to win an online argument; either for your personal sake, or for fifty cents.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
There are plenty of things that you logically speaking can't prove, that still would fall under common sense; like how you can't prove that it's going to rain, but if you leave your home and see clouds looking a certain way, then you bring an umbrella.
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
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Everybody spies. On everybody else.
The problem with your argument (from a western perspective) is that it isn't common sense at all.
If it were, evidence would be required to justify the action.
There is none they can present so they fall back onto magical executive orders tailored to their specific needs.
This particular case looks like it will be challenged in the courts.
This just part of the wider package of measures to thwart China's rise. Very few people doubt that IMO.
You can't prove everything that is about to happen before it actually happens; we simply don't live in a deterministic timeline where we can also watch the future before it happens.
And you know that that argument of yours doesn't hold, you just dishonestly try to win an online argument; either for your personal sake, or for fifty cents.
I never try to dishonestly win an argument.
The whole national security angle is falling flat on its face.
It's becoming a trump (lol) card that is getting played willy nilly. The practice will backfire.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
There are plenty of things that you logically speaking can't prove, that still would fall under common sense; like how you can't prove that it's going to rain, but if you leave your home and see clouds looking a certain way, then you bring an umbrella.
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
Edit: Removed non-functioning emojis.
Everybody spies. On everybody else.
The problem with your argument (from a western perspective) is that it isn't common sense at all.
If it were, evidence would be required to justify the action.
There is none they can present so they fall back onto magical executive orders tailored to their specific needs.
This particular case looks like it will be challenged in the courts.
This just part of the wider package of measures to thwart China's rise. Very few people doubt that IMO.
You can't prove everything that is about to happen before it actually happens; we simply don't live in a deterministic timeline where we can also watch the future before it happens.
And you know that that argument of yours doesn't hold, you just dishonestly try to win an online argument; either for your personal sake, or for fifty cents.
I never try to dishonestly win an argument.
The whole national security angle is falling flat on its face.
It's becoming a trump (lol) card that is getting played willy nilly. The practice will backfire.
That whole "because Trump said it"-angle doesn't really work either.
If he calls a cucumber a cucumber it's still a cucumber, no matter how much I disagree with him about most things.
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MakeAmericaGreatAgainFirewall!
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-dependence-imported-fossil-fuels
It is all about risk assessment.
Uhm, China's Great Firewall already ended it.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/04/13/tiktok-videos-can-be-spoofed-or-swapped-with-fakes-on-ios-android
That’s just what we know about. Who knows what else there is going on that we either haven’t found yet or been told about. Even with all of this I’m sure you’ll continue to have more trust in the communist dictatorship over the orange man.
It looks like it thinks Google Android is unsafe. lol
https://spreadprivacy.com/iphone-privacy-tips/
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/04/world/mike-pompeo-significant-evidence-coronavirus-china-lab-us/
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
Edit: Removed non-functioning emojis.
The problem with your argument (from a western perspective) is that it isn't common sense at all.
If it were, evidence would be required to justify the action.
There is none they can present so they fall back onto magical executive orders tailored to their specific needs.
This particular case looks like it will be challenged in the courts.
This just part of the wider package of measures to thwart China's rise. Very few people doubt that IMO.
And you know that that argument of yours doesn't hold, you just dishonestly try to win an online argument; either for your personal sake, or for fifty cents.
The whole national security angle is falling flat on its face.
It's becoming a trump (lol) card that is getting played willy nilly. The practice will backfire.
If he calls a cucumber a cucumber it's still a cucumber, no matter how much I disagree with him about most things.