Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
National Security has never been beholden to "innocent until proven guilty". It is all about risk assessment.
There is a lot of evidence that this administration doesn't listen to or believe its intelligence agencies. So who exactly is doing the risk assessment? I think it's Mr. "People are Saying".
Problems should be fixed. Blowing everything up only makes things worse. Some people would love to see us literally blow everything up.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
National Security has never been beholden to "innocent until proven guilty". It is all about risk assessment.
There is a lot of evidence that this administration doesn't listen to or believe its intelligence agencies. So who exactly is doing the risk assessment? I think it's Mr. "People are Saying".
Problems should be fixed. Blowing everything up only makes things worse. Some people would love to see us literally blow everything up.
There’s a lot of evidence the US government is infiltrated with compromised people, from Congress down to the intelligence agencies. Only a willfully ignorant person would believe otherwise after the prior administration spied on the incoming group of people and Congress attempted to overthrow the President using “evidence” fabricated by foreigners. And now that the opposition consists of openly anti-American Marxists and Socialists, voters are plainly aware of the dangerously wrong turn these people have taken.
"All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland"
Obviously that should be:
"All data from European Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland"
Spanish news is reporting heavily on this clean network bill and highlighting that the US is targeting Huawei's app store (App Gallery) to keep US software out of it.
Clearly US software developers won't be happy with this as it opens a huge gap for non US interests to fill.
Likewise, Qualcomm is feeling a similar squeeze and potentially billions in lost business which will go elsewhere, hampering its R&D efforts.
"Clean Apps: To prevent untrusted PRC smartphone manufacturers from pre-installing –or otherwise making available for download – trusted apps on their apps store. Huawei, an arm of the PRC surveillance state, is trading on the innovations and reputations of leading U.S. and foreign companies. These companies should remove their apps from Huawei’s app store to ensure they are not partnering with a human rights abuser."
It is nonsensical to think that if FaceBook puts WhatsApp into AppGallery it is somehow 'partnering' with a 'human rights abuser' but in some weird way the US government doesn't see doing billions of dollars in trade with China doesn't see itself as partnering with a 'human rights abuser'.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
Germany is currently connected at the hip to Russia for their energy consumption and unless things have changed, they use Huawei switching equipment. Germany is screwed.
All of Europe is dependent on Russian gas. There are plans to reduce that dependency but today it is a real factor.
Huawei is a different story. There is no dependency on Huawei and alternatives exist but they are less technologically advanced and more expensive to implement and maintain.
All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland. Huawei has 15 high security datacenters within Europe for storage of EU user data. There is a Huawei cybersecurity lab in Bonn where the German government can look deep into the inner workings of Huawei ICT equipment. Huawei has a spotless record in ICT security without a single major breach in over 30 years in Europe. Zero evidence of spying and many security experts have said back doors simply are not present. The security experts at the major carrier networks have also said the spying/security/backdoor claims are unfounded.
Geopolitically speaking, Germany has huge economic interests in China.
Then there are the China hawks who just fear China overtaking the US in key areas and who simply want to stop them any way they can. Often resulting in questionable actions like trying to destroy Huawei or any emerging Chinese influence (such as the actions detailed in this article).
When it comes to China the new normal is:
"there's an executive order for that"
Trump is in for a nasty wake up call.
This is a classic example of how lost the Trump administration is.
Lots of talk on the public stage but it doesn't even matter if its contradictory - almost in the same breath - as long as the overriding message gets conveyed. Covid-19, 5G, national security, TiK ToK, WeChat... Whatever, as long as it is anti China in some way.
The rest if the world sees this and is stupefied.
US foreign policy had derailed itself.
Poor China with all the people being anti them even though they are such an exemplary role model of treating people fairly, and respecting privacy, freedom of speech etc… or… well… let's get some people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Macau, Xinjiang etc into this discussion about how unfairly treated the trustworthy the CCP is.
You're mixing a lot of things up there.
It's not 'poor China'. They have plenty of stuff that could be frowned upon. So does the US.
That is not the point here.
The point is the 'justification', lack of any real evidence and the 'if you can't dominate the system, wreck it' attitude.
Threats, bullying, consequences, strong arming...
There are plenty of things that you logically speaking can't prove, that still would fall under common sense; like how you can't prove that it's going to rain, but if you leave your home and see clouds looking a certain way, then you bring an umbrella.
That's the situation with China today. The CCP are acting very aggressively, have even very recently been caught spying, and have very complete and discreet control of any Chinese company if they so wish.
That can't be ignored, and just like you don't leave your umbrella if it looks like rain, you don't leave your networks/people unprotected just because the communist party bully hasn't been caught doing his worst yet.
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Everybody spies. On everybody else.
The problem with your argument (from a western perspective) is that it isn't common sense at all.
If it were, evidence would be required to justify the action.
There is none they can present so they fall back onto magical executive orders tailored to their specific needs.
This particular case looks like it will be challenged in the courts.
This just part of the wider package of measures to thwart China's rise. Very few people doubt that IMO.
You can't prove everything that is about to happen before it actually happens; we simply don't live in a deterministic timeline where we can also watch the future before it happens.
And you know that that argument of yours doesn't hold, you just dishonestly try to win an online argument; either for your personal sake, or for fifty cents.
I never try to dishonestly win an argument.
The whole national security angle is falling flat on its face.
It's becoming a trump (lol) card that is getting played willy nilly. The practice will backfire.
That whole "because Trump said it"-angle doesn't really work either.
If he calls a cucumber a cucumber it's still a cucumber, no matter how much I disagree with him about most things.
Trump lies pathologically. There are online logs of all the flagrant, often laughable, regularly contradictory lies he’s told. So if Trump says it’s sunny, the safe bet is to take an umbrella. If Trump calls it a cucumber, I’d check before I put it in my salad. The safe bet is to assume everything he says is a lie until proven otherwise.
Well, ok, maybe a couple more: “childish vengeance” - especially against TikTok K-Poppers for spoiling the Toddler-in-Chief’s pro-COVID Tulsa rally.
LOL, no. More like TikTok harvesting data from US citizens, but nice try.
Of course that's what the Administrations *says*. Just as with Huawei, there's are accusations of wrong-doing - in order to support its actions - without any proof that such wrongdoing actually took place. To this day, there has been no evidence presented that Huawei snooped on its networks, much less send such information back to China. Sadly, with the POTUS lying publicly on a daily basis, *nothing* this Administration says can be trusted.
Before someone suggests that there *is* evidence because the UK & Australia have agreed with the US' assessment, I will point out that both countries are economically and ideologically tied to the US - countries that are not beholden to the US, like Germany, have found no evidence at all. Heck, even the UK said there was no evidence until the US had a few more words with them and they 'folded'.
Not saying TikTok or WeChat or even Huawei are innocent, but what is supposed to separate the US from countries like China is that here, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Until Trump came along, "well they're doing it..." wasn't a good enough reason for us to stoop to the same level.
National Security has never been beholden to "innocent until proven guilty". It is all about risk assessment.
There is a lot of evidence that this administration doesn't listen to or believe its intelligence agencies. So who exactly is doing the risk assessment? I think it's Mr. "People are Saying".
Problems should be fixed. Blowing everything up only makes things worse. Some people would love to see us literally blow everything up.
There’s a lot of evidence the US government is infiltrated with compromised people, from Congress down to the intelligence agencies. Only a willfully ignorant person would believe otherwise after the prior administration spied on the incoming group of people and Congress attempted to overthrow the President using “evidence” fabricated by foreigners. And now that the opposition consists of openly anti-American Marxists and Socialists, voters are plainly aware of the dangerously wrong turn these people have taken.
And there it is. McCarthy paranoia, there’s a communist under every rock, has arrived. Knew it would happen. Can’t wait for the black lists.
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Problems should be fixed. Blowing everything up only makes things worse. Some people would love to see us literally blow everything up.
"All data from Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland"
Obviously that should be:
"All data from European Huawei users is stored in Europe and managed by a Huawei subsidiary based in Ireland"
Spanish news is reporting heavily on this clean network bill and highlighting that the US is targeting Huawei's app store (App Gallery) to keep US software out of it.
Clearly US software developers won't be happy with this as it opens a huge gap for non US interests to fill.
Likewise, Qualcomm is feeling a similar squeeze and potentially billions in lost business which will go elsewhere, hampering its R&D efforts.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/qualcomm-lobbies-u-s-to-sell-chips-for-huawei-5g-phones-11596888001
"Clean Apps: To prevent untrusted PRC smartphone manufacturers from pre-installing –or otherwise making available for download – trusted apps on their apps store. Huawei, an arm of the PRC surveillance state, is trading on the innovations and reputations of leading U.S. and foreign companies. These companies should remove their apps from Huawei’s app store to ensure they are not partnering with a human rights abuser."
It is nonsensical to think that if FaceBook puts WhatsApp into AppGallery it is somehow 'partnering' with a 'human rights abuser' but in some weird way the US government doesn't see doing billions of dollars in trade with China doesn't see itself as partnering with a 'human rights abuser'.
Can’t wait for the black lists.