Trump signs executive order banning TikTok, WeChat on Sept. 20

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  • Reply 21 of 80
    Ciprol said:
    Never forget that Trump at a previous face to face meeting with Xi of China, asked Xi's help in keeping him elected but Xi refused (see John Bolton's disclosure). These are now the payback against China. As a US commentator said, this is a classic mafia tactic. US's global reputation has just gone down another major tier.
    Just like everybody hated Dennis Rodman in Chicago, but as soon as he became a Chicago Bull, everyone in Chicago loved him.

    Not saying people loves Trump, but he's "our" mafia.  Reputation means nothing if the US can't protect our own jobs or our own companies.
  • Reply 22 of 80
    kent909kent909 Posts: 731member

    We’ve been in a trade war for decades but prior administrations refused to identify it as such. The democrats banned TikTok before the president did. What say you on that? Obama has started far more physical confrontations in his term than Trump yet you want to project Trump as some kind of war monger. America is waking up and becoming stronger, sorry you don’t like that.  :D
    It only took 11 posts before someone turned the focus to the Democrats. If the Democrats already banned TikTok then why does Trump need to do it now. If you are going to make a claim like this please include a link to the specific banning you are referring to. Without that, your claim is no better than Fake News. Not saying you are wrong but when you change the focus, you need more than words. Especially if your claim is illogical.
    Dogpersonmuthuk_vanalingamradarthekatGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 23 of 80
    sergiozsergioz Posts: 338member
    There is no security issues, there is only market domination, using deceiving tactics; lying to Americans about security. What a trash! Do not sell TicTok don’t even think about it, it’s a weak move! Grow your platform without America!
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 24 of 80
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,974member
    Well, there goes any remaining support for Trump from the under 30 demographic. 
    America’s “free market” and “democracy” values appear only valid when it benefits their own wallet. Fake values. I immigrated to California and back to Europe, and although the vast majority of people in CA have been amazing, the country itself is a complete corrupt mess. 
    I agree. That’s why I fled to Canada 13 years ago. 
    chasmGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 25 of 80
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    DAalseth said:
    Well, there goes any remaining support for Trump from the under 30 demographic. 
    America’s “free market” and “democracy” values appear only valid when it benefits their own wallet. Fake values. I immigrated to California and back to Europe, and although the vast majority of people in CA have been amazing, the country itself is a complete corrupt mess. 
    I agree. That’s why I fled to Canada 13 years ago. 
    Democrats are only now starting to look at their own candidate and wondering what the heck they’ve gotten themselves into.
  • Reply 26 of 80
    digitoldigitol Posts: 276member
    Limiting what tech we can use? Sounds like communism to me. Meanwhile covid is still wreaking Havoc on the US. But nevermimd that, lets ban a social media phone app. Sad.  
    johnbearasdasd
  • Reply 27 of 80
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,974member
    DAalseth said:
    Well, there goes any remaining support for Trump from the under 30 demographic. 
    America’s “free market” and “democracy” values appear only valid when it benefits their own wallet. Fake values. I immigrated to California and back to Europe, and although the vast majority of people in CA have been amazing, the country itself is a complete corrupt mess. 
    I agree. That’s why I fled to Canada 13 years ago. 
    Democrats are only now starting to look at their own candidate and wondering what the heck they’ve gotten themselves into.
    I think you may be right. There were far stronger candidates in the primaries. 
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 28 of 80
    kent909kent909 Posts: 731member
    Democrats are only now starting to look at their own candidate and wondering what the heck they’ve gotten themselves into.
    Are you referring to all the people who voted for Biden in the primaries? I find hard to believe that the majority of people who voted for him did not know who he is.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 29 of 80
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,822member
    Trump's probably down on TikTok because he hasn't figured out to work it.
    Once he's figured out how to use/abuse it, he'll do anything to make sure it stays around.
    This is the reason lol

    https://www.tiktok.com/@whatchugotforme?lang=en
  • Reply 30 of 80
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,822member

    johnbear said:
    President Trump had little understanding about what was important in the negotiations of trade agreements with China.  Rather than focus on what was important, mainly protecting IP, and opening markets, he went off the rails and demanded China purchase more food from USA.

    His bumbling negotiations made everything worse (as usual) and here we are, attempting to “look strong” on China to improve his election chances.  He’s targeting TikTok specifically because young people (Americans) on TikTok hate his guts, and successfully interfered with a rally. 

     Is this related to a risk to Americans? Nope.  It’s fear of young people interfering with the election.  Since they don’t have a vote, TikTok (and other apps like it) give them a voice.

    Bottom line, if TikTok was a real threat they could have audited the code, and not just banned it.  Trump has no idea what he’s doing.  If they disliked him before, now he’s pissed them off.  Who’s pissed?  Millions of young tech savvy Americans with to much free time on their hands (exacerbated by the coronavirus). This is going to blow up in his face... What a fool!
    Exactly, Trump & Peter Navarro went off the rails. 
    Trump is retaliating on his failed Tulsa rally. 
    He’s certainly losing more millions votes from TikTok users. These young people will find other ways to troll him. 
    Young people are not in a position to be dictating policy. They don’t even have fully developed brains. Who cares what they think?
    Those damn amygdalae!
    SpamSandwichchasm
  • Reply 31 of 80
    viclauyycviclauyyc Posts: 849member
    markbyrn said:
    Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc.  This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.  
    Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
    muthuk_vanalingamjohnbearGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 32 of 80
    firelockfirelock Posts: 241member
    viclauyyc said:
    markbyrn said:
    Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc.  This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.  
    Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
    It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them. 
  • Reply 33 of 80
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    firelock said:
    viclauyyc said:
    markbyrn said:
    Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc.  This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.  
    Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
    It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them. 
    China should never have been allowed in the WTO in the first place.
  • Reply 34 of 80
    tzeshan said:
    avon b7 said:
    Ciprol said:
    Never forget that Trump at a previous face to face meeting with Xi of China, asked Xi's help in keeping him elected but Xi refused (see John Bolton's disclosure). These are now the payback against China. As a US commentator said, this is a classic mafia tactic. US's global reputation has just gone down another major tier.
    Thanks for more Chinese propaganda. We have this thing sewn up. China’s influence over the US is being severed... one gigantic tentacle at a time.
    But at the same time, with each tentacle, Trump shoots himself in the foot (often with an accompany tweet that reveals what's going on in his head). 

    It's only a question of time before he shoots himself in the figurative head. He is also causing enormous friction with US allies.

    Let's not forget the trade war isn't (and not by a long shot) a China trade war.

    The US trade deficit is not only with China but with the world. The world knows that if he wangles something with China, focus will switch to other areas like the EU and that is why the EU is proactively taking action to protect itself from what the US is trying to do to China.

    I’m perfectly OK with a full decoupling of the US from China.
    That probably will never happen unless we can come up with the 1.1 trillion we owe them and then figure out what we will do about manufacturing. 

    We screwed ourselves when we moved industrial manufacturing to China and they made an infrastructure that can make anything quickly, but has virtually no long term durability to keep costs low. 

    Maybe if we spent more time working together to be less reliant on China instead of fighting each other, we would have started the framework of divesting from China.  Both parties thought moving to China was a good idea and nobody ever thought that a foreign country would buy up American t-bills, notes and bonds and weaponize them.

    The real tragedy is the truth that our government both left and right can give 2 shits about our people who are barely holding on in this pandemic. They cannot come up with just a basic plan to help those who are on their last leg and are about to be starving and homeless. 
    They just want your vote to keep their place in line to get their special interest money. That’s why you won’t see any help until we are almost near Election Day and they can spin it towards their advantage. 
    This kind of reasoning is stupid. US has many trading partners including Canada, Mexico, Japan, Germany, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. Single out China alone for the ills of US will never solver the problem. 
    They may have many partners, but where do those partners get their goods? If you look at the labels on them they say assembled in their respective country by parts made in guess where?
  • Reply 35 of 80

    johnbear said:
    President Trump had little understanding about what was important in the negotiations of trade agreements with China.  Rather than focus on what was important, mainly protecting IP, and opening markets, he went off the rails and demanded China purchase more food from USA.

    His bumbling negotiations made everything worse (as usual) and here we are, attempting to “look strong” on China to improve his election chances.  He’s targeting TikTok specifically because young people (Americans) on TikTok hate his guts, and successfully interfered with a rally. 

     Is this related to a risk to Americans? Nope.  It’s fear of young people interfering with the election.  Since they don’t have a vote, TikTok (and other apps like it) give them a voice.

    Bottom line, if TikTok was a real threat they could have audited the code, and not just banned it.  Trump has no idea what he’s doing.  If they disliked him before, now he’s pissed them off.  Who’s pissed?  Millions of young tech savvy Americans with to much free time on their hands (exacerbated by the coronavirus). This is going to blow up in his face... What a fool!
    Exactly, Trump & Peter Navarro went off the rails. 
    Trump is retaliating on his failed Tulsa rally. 
    He’s certainly losing more millions votes from TikTok users. These young people will find other ways to troll him. 
    Young people are not in a position to be dictating policy. They don’t even have fully developed brains. Who cares what they think?
    I’m sure your elders thought the same way too. 

    There are many bright young people just as there are many senile older people who are out of touch with the times. They call that horse and buggy thinking. 

    Good or bad, young people ARE dictating policy. Just look behind the curtain in the White House in this administration and the previous one. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 36 of 80
    ciacia Posts: 267member
    This is literally because Trump was all butthurt after those TikTok kids claimed up all the tickets to his Tulsa rally.  His campaign claimed it was going to be HUGE and then only 6,000 people showed up.

    He's bitter, and this is his attempt at revenge.

    Pathetic.
    johnbearGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 37 of 80
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,525member
    Putting aside politics as much as possible:

    1. How on earth is this legal? America doesn't have a king. This is a clear violation of a number of US laws.
    2. So much for the "free market," eh? To put it mildly, I think this move is going to have a lot of unintended consequences.
    3. If someone is a TikTok user in the US and is upset about this (or, by contrast, is A-OK with presidents ruling by fiat and wants to get rid of democracy and install a dynasty in its place -- ironically a rather Chinese sort of move -- trolling might be fun, but the actual fix (assuming the courts don't intervene) is to register and vote your view in the election (which is less than three months away).
    muthuk_vanalingamjohnbearGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 38 of 80
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,077member
    markbyrn said:
    Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc.  This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.  
    Without a doubt.   This and that Trump fights for American jobs more than the Democrats who have sold out to the globalists is the reason why he may win re-election.   If he loses it will be cause of his COVID handling.
  • Reply 39 of 80
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,077member

    tzeshan said:
    avon b7 said:
    Ciprol said:
    Never forget that Trump at a previous face to face meeting with Xi of China, asked Xi's help in keeping him elected but Xi refused (see John Bolton's disclosure). These are now the payback against China. As a US commentator said, this is a classic mafia tactic. US's global reputation has just gone down another major tier.
    Thanks for more Chinese propaganda. We have this thing sewn up. China’s influence over the US is being severed... one gigantic tentacle at a time.
    But at the same time, with each tentacle, Trump shoots himself in the foot (often with an accompany tweet that reveals what's going on in his head). 

    It's only a question of time before he shoots himself in the figurative head. He is also causing enormous friction with US allies.

    Let's not forget the trade war isn't (and not by a long shot) a China trade war.

    The US trade deficit is not only with China but with the world. The world knows that if he wangles something with China, focus will switch to other areas like the EU and that is why the EU is proactively taking action to protect itself from what the US is trying to do to China.

    I’m perfectly OK with a full decoupling of the US from China.
    You are number one China hater on AI. I will not forget. 
    You are number one America hater on AI. I will not forget.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 40 of 80
    castcorecastcore Posts: 141member
    Wait a second, isn’t Facebook, Google and Twitter banned by China for several years? And now Tik Tok cannot be banned? They don’t have to sell to Microsoft, it was given to them as an option to get something before the ban! Trump has been much better to Tik Tok than China to Facebook and Twitter!

    Have people forgotten China banned Facebook and Google  for no reason?
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