Trump is hoping that if Microsoft buys TikTok for $30 billion that he will reap an absolute fortune. I think deep down he is worried that this will be his last chance to make a large sum of money before he is dragged out of the White House in January.
President Trump had little understanding about what was important in the negotiations of trade agreements with China. Rather than focus on what was important, mainly protecting IP, and opening markets, he went off the rails and demanded China purchase more food from USA.
His bumbling negotiations made everything worse (as usual) and here we are, attempting to “look strong” on China to improve his election chances. He’s targeting TikTok specifically because young people (Americans) on TikTok hate his guts, and successfully interfered with a rally.
Is this related to a risk to Americans? Nope. It’s fear of young people interfering with the election. Since they don’t have a vote, TikTok (and other apps like it) give them a voice.
Bottom line, if TikTok was a real threat they could have audited the code, and not just banned it. Trump has no idea what he’s doing. If they disliked him before, now he’s pissed them off. Who’s pissed? Millions of young tech savvy Americans with to much free time on their hands (exacerbated by the coronavirus). This is going to blow up in his face... What a fool!
Exactly, Trump & Peter Navarro went off the rails.
Trump is retaliating on his failed Tulsa rally.
He’s certainly losing more millions votes from TikTok users. These young people will find other ways to troll him.
Young people are not in a position to be dictating policy. They don’t even have fully developed brains. Who cares what they think?
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
There seems to be a complete failure to understand why the Chinese block these apps. It has nothing to do with competition, if it did there wouldn’t be AppleStores in China. Rather it’s about monitoring there own people or anyone in China.
This also what the ban of TickTok is about, sort of. Sure it’s about protecting the privacy of US citizens on the platform but knowing Trump, it’s also clearly a grudge since his rally was pawned By TikTok users. Trump is petty like that because his first thought is always about himself, as well as his top ten thoughts and then an hour later his last thought is about the Americans people.
I wonder how many apps and other Chinese products are a threat to the privacy of US citizens? Why didn’t he ban them all. Oh yeah, it’s simply not practical.
Never forget that Trump at a previous face to face meeting with Xi of China, asked Xi's help in keeping him elected but Xi refused (see John Bolton's disclosure). These are now the payback against China. As a US commentator said, this is a classic mafia tactic. US's global reputation has just gone down another major tier.
Thanks for more Chinese propaganda. We have this thing sewn up. China’s influence over the US is being severed... one gigantic tentacle at a time.
But at the same time, with each tentacle, Trump shoots himself in the foot (often with an accompany tweet that reveals what's going on in his head).
It's only a question of time before he shoots himself in the figurative head. He is also causing enormous friction with US allies.
Let's not forget the trade war isn't (and not by a long shot) a China trade war.
The US trade deficit is not only with China but with the world. The world knows that if he wangles something with China, focus will switch to other areas like the EU and that is why the EU is proactively taking action to protect itself from what the US is trying to do to China.
I’m perfectly OK with a full decoupling of the US from China.
That probably will never happen unless we can come up with the 1.1 trillion we owe them and then figure out what we will do about manufacturing.
We screwed ourselves when we moved industrial manufacturing to China and they made an infrastructure that can make anything quickly, but has virtually no long term durability to keep costs low.
Maybe if we spent more time working together to be less reliant on China instead of fighting each other, we would have started the framework of divesting from China. Both parties thought moving to China was a good idea and nobody ever thought that a foreign country would buy up American t-bills, notes and bonds and weaponize them.
The real tragedy is the truth that our government both left and right can give 2 shits about our people who are barely holding on in this pandemic. They cannot come up with just a basic plan to help those who are on their last leg and are about to be starving and homeless.
They just want your vote to keep their place in line to get their special interest money. That’s why you won’t see any help until we are almost near Election Day and they can spin it towards their advantage.
Actually. that basic industry (steel, cars and electronics) first moved to Japan -- not because we moved it there but because they did it better, faster and cheaper.
It was only later that it moved into China because THEY did it better, faster and cheaper.
But that is not the fault of either Japan or China: the fault lies entirely on us -- NOT for politicians "letting it happen" but by losing our competitive edge to hubris and allowing ourselves to get fat and lazy. We had unskilled labor making $40-$50 an hour (in today's money), management that was greedy and incompetent and stockholders draining money instead of investing in the business. The result was: industry running on 100 year old equipment with waste and abuse running rampant.
At some point we'll need to come to grips with that. Denial and blaming others only gets you so far.
Trump excels at blaming others. And the fools believe what they want to believe -- despite three years of more incompetence.
Never forget that Trump at a previous face to face meeting with Xi of China, asked Xi's help in keeping him elected but Xi refused (see John Bolton's disclosure). These are now the payback against China. As a US commentator said, this is a classic mafia tactic. US's global reputation has just gone down another major tier.
Just like everybody hated Dennis Rodman in Chicago, but as soon as he became a Chicago Bull, everyone in Chicago loved him.
Not saying people loves Trump, but he's "our" mafia. Reputation means nothing if the US can't protect our own jobs or our own companies.
You protect jobs by doing it better, faster and cheaper. What has Trump done to promote that? Anything? Anything at all?
No, Trump wins by destroying his competition using lies and slander -- smear campaigns. That bull will help Trump but not America.
America’s “free market” and “democracy” values appear only valid when it benefits their own wallet. Fake values. I immigrated to California and back to Europe, and although the vast majority of people in CA have been amazing, the country itself is a complete corrupt mess.
I agree. That’s why I fled to Canada 13 years ago.
Democrats are only now starting to look at their own candidate and wondering what the heck they’ve gotten themselves into.
LOL.... Joe only keeps getting stronger.
Sounds like you're believing Trump's fake videos to smear his opponent! That's foolish.
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
But, that's the trouble: China DID start acting like a free market and beat us at it: They made (and make) things better, faster and cheaper. So, the free markets migrated there. It's just how free markets work. We should know that. We knew that. But we forgot after we got fat, spoiled and lazy.
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
China should never have been allowed in the WTO in the first place.
LOL.... Why? Because they make things better, faster and cheaper? That's called "Free Market Capitalism". We should try it (or maybe return to it!).
President Trump had little understanding about what was important in the negotiations of trade agreements with China. Rather than focus on what was important, mainly protecting IP, and opening markets, he went off the rails and demanded China purchase more food from USA.
His bumbling negotiations made everything worse (as usual) and here we are, attempting to “look strong” on China to improve his election chances. He’s targeting TikTok specifically because young people (Americans) on TikTok hate his guts, and successfully interfered with a rally.
Is this related to a risk to Americans? Nope. It’s fear of young people interfering with the election. Since they don’t have a vote, TikTok (and other apps like it) give them a voice.
Bottom line, if TikTok was a real threat they could have audited the code, and not just banned it. Trump has no idea what he’s doing. If they disliked him before, now he’s pissed them off. Who’s pissed? Millions of young tech savvy Americans with to much free time on their hands (exacerbated by the coronavirus). This is going to blow up in his face... What a fool!
Exactly, Trump & Peter Navarro went off the rails.
Trump is retaliating on his failed Tulsa rally.
He’s certainly losing more millions votes from TikTok users. These young people will find other ways to troll him.
Young people are not in a position to be dictating policy. They don’t even have fully developed brains. Who cares what they think?
They will just vote trump out of office
If they are allowed to. Republicans and now Trump have relied on gerrymandering and voter suppression to expand and maintain their control and power. Now Trump is adding out right cheating to the mix: encouraging foreign meddling through cyberattacks, disinformation campaigns and and whatever ways possible (word is that Russia has already sent operatives into the U.S.) plus we know that unless he wins outright he will spread doubt and confusion about the results, contest the election and have his bought & paid for Supreme Court appoint him and anoint him.
The only way the American people can take their democracy back is an overwhelming loss for Trump that can't be "fixed" by Trump's fixers.
Wait a second, isn’t Facebook, Google and Twitter banned by China for several years? And now Tik Tok cannot be banned? They don’t have to sell to Microsoft, it was given to them as an option to get something before the ban! Trump has been much better to Tik Tok than China to Facebook and Twitter!
Have people forgotten China banned Facebook and Google for no reason?
I thought the US was a freer country than China? This isn’t just a trade war but a free speech issue.
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
But, that's the trouble: China DID start acting like a free market and beat us at it: They made (and make) things better, faster and cheaper. So, the free markets migrated there. It's just how free markets work. We should know that. We knew that. But we forgot after we got fat, spoiled and lazy.
In no sense is China a free market. Sure it became more market orientated since Mao but the state and particularly the state owned banks dictate a lot of policy. I’m not knocking it, the fully free market has had its day.
All globalisation has to be agreed to. It’s not an inevitable fact of nature, as some say. The US And the West had to agree to allow Japan and China trade freely. The former was allowed for Cold War reasons, the latter because of the greed of capitalists. Moving manufacturing to china isn’t inevitable, the Germans have tried to protect industry, as have the Japanese who don’t outsource to China. Nor does china outsource much itself.
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
China should never have been allowed in the WTO in the first place.
LOL.... Why? Because they make things better, faster and cheaper? That's called "Free Market Capitalism". We should try it (or maybe return to it!).
President Trump had little understanding about what was important in the negotiations of trade agreements with China. Rather than focus on what was important, mainly protecting IP, and opening markets, he went off the rails and demanded China purchase more food from USA.
His bumbling negotiations made everything worse (as usual) and here we are, attempting to “look strong” on China to improve his election chances. He’s targeting TikTok specifically because young people (Americans) on TikTok hate his guts, and successfully interfered with a rally.
Is this related to a risk to Americans? Nope. It’s fear of young people interfering with the election. Since they don’t have a vote, TikTok (and other apps like it) give them a voice.
Bottom line, if TikTok was a real threat they could have audited the code, and not just banned it. Trump has no idea what he’s doing. If they disliked him before, now he’s pissed them off. Who’s pissed? Millions of young tech savvy Americans with to much free time on their hands (exacerbated by the coronavirus). This is going to blow up in his face... What a fool!
Exactly, Trump & Peter Navarro went off the rails.
Trump is retaliating on his failed Tulsa rally.
He’s certainly losing more millions votes from TikTok users. These young people will find other ways to troll him.
Young people are not in a position to be dictating policy. They don’t even have fully developed brains. Who cares what they think?
Said totally right. There thinking directed by other organs than brain.
President Trump had little understanding about what was important in the negotiations of trade agreements with China. Rather than focus on what was important, mainly protecting IP, and opening markets, he went off the rails and demanded China purchase more food from USA.
His bumbling negotiations made everything worse (as usual) and here we are, attempting to “look strong” on China to improve his election chances. He’s targeting TikTok specifically because young people (Americans) on TikTok hate his guts, and successfully interfered with a rally.
Is this related to a risk to Americans? Nope. It’s fear of young people interfering with the election. Since they don’t have a vote, TikTok (and other apps like it) give them a voice.
Bottom line, if TikTok was a real threat they could have audited the code, and not just banned it. Trump has no idea what he’s doing. If they disliked him before, now he’s pissed them off. Who’s pissed? Millions of young tech savvy Americans with to much free time on their hands (exacerbated by the coronavirus). This is going to blow up in his face... What a fool!
Exactly, Trump & Peter Navarro went off the rails.
Trump is retaliating on his failed Tulsa rally.
He’s certainly losing more millions votes from TikTok users. These young people will find other ways to troll him.
Young people are not in a position to be dictating policy. They don’t even have fully developed brains. Who cares what they think?
They will just vote trump out of office
Not likely. Young people don’t vote in large numbers. Ever.
Wait a second, isn’t Facebook, Google and Twitter banned by China for several years? And now Tik Tok cannot be banned? They don’t have to sell to Microsoft, it was given to them as an option to get something before the ban! Trump has been much better to Tik Tok than China to Facebook and Twitter!
Have people forgotten China banned Facebook and Google for no reason?
I thought the US was a freer country than China? This isn’t just a trade war but a free speech issue.
China’s lopsided advantages, while the US remained restricted from China’s markets are still real. The PRC can get bent.
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
But, that's the trouble: China DID start acting like a free market and beat us at it: They made (and make) things better, faster and cheaper. So, the free markets migrated there. It's just how free markets work. We should know that. We knew that. But we forgot after we got fat, spoiled and lazy.
Is this an Apple products forum? LOL Apple has learned long time ago that China can make its product better and faster. In the mean time, Apple makes a lot of money and is becoming the world's most valuable company. Yet many posters on AI seem cannot grasp this fact. If they hate China so much why don't they ditch Apple products?
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
But, that's the trouble: China DID start acting like a free market and beat us at it: They made (and make) things better, faster and cheaper. So, the free markets migrated there. It's just how free markets work. We should know that. We knew that. But we forgot after we got fat, spoiled and lazy.
In no sense is China a free market. Sure it became more market orientated since Mao but the state and particularly the state owned banks dictate a lot of policy. I’m not knocking it, the fully free market has had its day.
All globalisation has to be agreed to. It’s not an inevitable fact of nature, as some say. The US And the West had to agree to allow Japan and China trade freely. The former was allowed for Cold War reasons, the latter because of the greed of capitalists. Moving manufacturing to china isn’t inevitable, the Germans have tried to protect industry, as have the Japanese who don’t outsource to China. Nor does china outsource much itself.
Sorry, but that's how free markets work: The work and the business go to those who do it better, faster and cheaper.
Now that we got beat at that game we want to make excuses and change the rules. It's really pretty sad.
Not mentioned of course is the fact that China has long banned all Google apps, Twitter, Facebook,, etc. This order should have come long ago and strictly as a matter of reciprocity.
Do American has to set their standards this low? Comparing with China is not much better than comparing Nazi.
It makes no sense for the United States to allow another country to block our biggest tech companies from operating, yet not apply the same standard to them. When China starts acting like a free market then we can happily do business with them.
China should never have been allowed in the WTO in the first place.
LOL.... Why? Because they make things better, faster and cheaper? That's called "Free Market Capitalism". We should try it (or maybe return to it!).
You have tried it. It worked, then it didn’t.
Yeh, it stopped working when Japan started making steel, autos and electronics better, faster and cheaper. Now, most of that -- particularly newer technology is in China.
Cadillac just announced their first electric car which will go on sale in 2022. In China. Likely because China has the infrastructure to handle it.
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This also what the ban of TickTok is about, sort of. Sure it’s about protecting the privacy of US citizens on the platform but knowing Trump, it’s also clearly a grudge since his rally was pawned By TikTok users. Trump is petty like that because his first thought is always about himself, as well as his top ten thoughts and then an hour later his last thought is about the Americans people.
I wonder how many apps and other Chinese products are a threat to the privacy of US citizens? Why didn’t he ban them all. Oh yeah, it’s simply not practical.
You protect jobs by doing it better, faster and cheaper. What has Trump done to promote that? Anything? Anything at all?
No, Trump wins by destroying his competition using lies and slander -- smear campaigns. That bull will help Trump but not America.
But, that's the trouble: China DID start acting like a free market and beat us at it: They made (and make) things better, faster and cheaper. So, the free markets migrated there. It's just how free markets work. We should know that. We knew that. But we forgot after we got fat, spoiled and lazy.
LOL.... Why? Because they make things better, faster and cheaper? That's called "Free Market Capitalism". We should try it (or maybe return to it!).
Said totally right. There thinking directed by other organs than brain.
China’s lopsided advantages, while the US remained restricted from China’s markets are still real. The PRC can get bent.
Yeh, it stopped working when Japan started making steel, autos and electronics better, faster and cheaper. Now, most of that -- particularly newer technology is in China.
Cadillac just announced their first electric car which will go on sale in 2022. In China. Likely because China has the infrastructure to handle it.