Leaker claims 'HomePod mini' is coming, 'HomePod 2' is not

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According to an often reliable leaker, there will be no updated HomePod from Apple this year, but a smaller version is close to shipping.

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Ahead of Apple's "iPhone 12" event, a leaker has quashed hopes that Apple would reveal the next generation of its HomePod smart speaker this month -- or this year. Reportedly, there is a "HomePod mini" on its way sooner, though the leaker does not specify whether that is expected to be included at the "Hi, Speed," launch.

there is no HomePod2 this year
only have mini one



Leaker l0vetodream has a generally good track record for reports on forthcoming Apple products. Most recently, that has included the seemingly later confirmed claim that Apple will use the name "iPhone 12 mini" for its smallest new model.

Backing up the expectation that at least some form of HomePod will be included in the "iPhone 12" event, Apple has dropped all third-party speakers, and headphones, from its stores.

The AppleInsider guide on what to expect -- and not expect -- at the event lists HomePods as only a possibility. However, persistent rumors do point to a smaller version being prepared by Apple.

Stay on top of all Apple news right from your HomePod or HomePod mini. Say, "Hey, Siri, play AppleInsider Daily," and you'll get a fast update direct from the AppleInsider team.
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  • Reply 1 of 32
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,788member
    I used to love my HP, but I have gradually fallen out of love with it over Siri. The sound quality is great, but thats about it. Siri is plain terrible, and seems to be getting worse, at least versus Alexa/Google Home. I thought when Apple introduced a new speaker with its main UI being Siri, they'd prioritise making Siri less crap. But apparently not. For anything other than the most basic of music playing commands, it either:

    • Misunderstands what I say (though that is reasonably rare now, maybe 10% of the time, was 30%)
    • Misinterprets what I mean (30% of the time)
    • Misses the "Hey Siri" keywords (10% of the time)
    • Siri activates on the wrong device (30% of the time)
    • Doesn't work because of a "network issue" when everything else is fine (was never, now 20%)
    • Fails to find my phone on the network despite it being on the network and working fine - this usually happens when adding reminders, despite it having access to the reminders via iCloud (was never, now 30% of the time)
    • Answers "I can't do that/find the answer to that on HomePod" (most questions that are not related to iOS itself. I'm always surprised when it answers correctly)

    Which adds up to mean it doesn't work often enough that if my phone is in the same or next room, it takes less time to go and get it and use Siri on my phone directly, or just use the UI. There are non-Siri related issues too, both of mine seem to have lost their auto gain settings, because when using Facetime Audio people complain they can't hear me. Also the audio stream regularly stops for a bit and we lose each other for 5-10 seconds. No such issue with my phone on the same network. Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    zroger73lkruppmuthuk_vanalingampatchythepiratebala1234allmypeople
  • Reply 2 of 32
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,329member
    Cool. Looking forward to adding a couple of smaller HomePods around the house.
    williamlondonStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 32
    I wonder what the future holds for the original HomePod? I have seen them on offer for £199 a few times and been tempted but knowing a newer version was likely on its way this year I’ve held off. I am interested to see what is announced next week. I’m also interested in  tv but I don’t want to buy and then see an updated model released soon after.
    Scot1BeatsAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 32
    They’re not leakers!
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 32
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,534member
    I know it’s obvious to say, but the make or break factor for a HomePod mini will be the price. I don’t see Apple dropping the price low enough to displace Echo Dot so it will have to go after the Echo Plus/4th Gen Echo which is around $100 USD. If I had to guess I’d bet a HomePod mini would probably be in the $179-$199 price range which will solidify its place as a sub niche in the niche HomePod product line. 

    I love the HomePod for what it is, a great sounding way to consume Apple Music in a large space, and even more so when used in conjunction with an Apple TV. The problem that I have with HomePod is that it isn’t inexpensive enough to use as a primary HomeKit peripheral, i.e., a secondary role played by Echo Dots in an Amazon/Ring home automation and security installation. Price is also key. I have no problem putting a $30 Echo Dot in my garage or shed for background listening and Alexa Guard functionality. Hate to admit, but once Echo devices became Apple Music compatible any residual desire I had to purchase a second HomePod vanished. Poof! If I had a TV and Apple TV in a bedroom perhaps I’d seriously consider getting another HomePod and a mini would be a good option.

    I have no problems with Siri on HomePod. I’m just not sold on HomeKit. Apple needs to flesh out the device options and needs to develop or partner with others on the services side, like professional safety and security monitoring. The Amazon-Ring mashup was a little shaky at the start, but it’s hitting its stride and pushing out compelling second generation (and beyond)  products and services while Apple (HomeKit) is still watching from the sidelines. 
    Alex1Nallmypeople
  • Reply 6 of 32
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 824member
    elijahg said:
    I used to love my HP, but I have gradually fallen out of love with it over Siri. The sound quality is great, but thats about it. Siri is plain terrible, and seems to be getting worse, at least versus Alexa/Google Home. I thought when Apple introduced a new speaker with its main UI being Siri, they'd prioritise making Siri less crap. But apparently not. For anything other than the most basic of music playing commands, it either:

    • Misunderstands what I say (though that is reasonably rare now, maybe 10% of the time, was 30%)
    • Misinterprets what I mean (30% of the time)
    • Misses the "Hey Siri" keywords (10% of the time)
    • Siri activates on the wrong device (30% of the time)
    • Doesn't work because of a "network issue" when everything else is fine (was never, now 20%)
    • Fails to find my phone on the network despite it being on the network and working fine - this usually happens when adding reminders, despite it having access to the reminders via iCloud (was never, now 30% of the time)
    • Answers "I can't do that/find the answer to that on HomePod" (most questions that are not related to iOS itself. I'm always surprised when it answers correctly)

    Which adds up to mean it doesn't work often enough that if my phone is in the same or next room, it takes less time to go and get it and use Siri on my phone directly, or just use the UI. There are non-Siri related issues too, both of mine seem to have lost their auto gain settings, because when using Facetime Audio people complain they can't hear me. Also the audio stream regularly stops for a bit and we lose each other for 5-10 seconds. No such issue with my phone on the same network. Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    For those I highlighted in bold, sounds like you now (because you state it's getting worse) have a home WiFi & BT interference issue.  What device Siri activates on is based on being able to find your other devices via primarily BT.  The other two definitely need reliable WiFi.  Maybe something changed in your environment to cause interference or unreliability with WiFi & BT?
    williamlondonAlex1NFileMakerFellerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 32
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,788member
    nicholfd said:
    elijahg said:
    I used to love my HP, but I have gradually fallen out of love with it over Siri. The sound quality is great, but thats about it. Siri is plain terrible, and seems to be getting worse, at least versus Alexa/Google Home. I thought when Apple introduced a new speaker with its main UI being Siri, they'd prioritise making Siri less crap. But apparently not. For anything other than the most basic of music playing commands, it either:

    • Misunderstands what I say (though that is reasonably rare now, maybe 10% of the time, was 30%)
    • Misinterprets what I mean (30% of the time)
    • Misses the "Hey Siri" keywords (10% of the time)
    • Siri activates on the wrong device (30% of the time)
    • Doesn't work because of a "network issue" when everything else is fine (was never, now 20%)
    • Fails to find my phone on the network despite it being on the network and working fine - this usually happens when adding reminders, despite it having access to the reminders via iCloud (was never, now 30% of the time)
    • Answers "I can't do that/find the answer to that on HomePod" (most questions that are not related to iOS itself. I'm always surprised when it answers correctly)

    Which adds up to mean it doesn't work often enough that if my phone is in the same or next room, it takes less time to go and get it and use Siri on my phone directly, or just use the UI. There are non-Siri related issues too, both of mine seem to have lost their auto gain settings, because when using Facetime Audio people complain they can't hear me. Also the audio stream regularly stops for a bit and we lose each other for 5-10 seconds. No such issue with my phone on the same network. Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    For those I highlighted in bold, sounds like you now (because you state it's getting worse) have a home WiFi & BT interference issue.  What device Siri activates on is based on being able to find your other devices via primarily BT.  The other two definitely need reliable WiFi.  Maybe something changed in your environment to cause interference or unreliability with WiFi & BT?
    I wish that was the case but unfortunately doesn't seem to be! I have all Ubiquiti networking gear, and have done ever since I had a HP. I don't get any wifi-related issues on my Macs or iPhones. There are no other WiFi networks nearby, and the RF scans in the Ubiquiti UI show no interference and a noise floor of -95dBm. It's generally a pretty quiet environment electrically here, few switching power supplies, no big motors etc. I've swapped APs too, and still doesn't make any discernible difference. The HP is connected at about 500Mbps (with 300Mbps fibre upstream), and pinging it constantly during the voice call drops shows no loss of packets, so I don't think it's my network. But I do appreciate the suggestion, thanks :) 
    edited October 2020 Alex1NFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 8 of 32
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Not that I'm a strategic expert on this kind of stuff, but I still reckon they're missing a trick by not building a router into these things.

    Still, might move the larger one down to kitchen and get a smaller one for the office.
    edited October 2020 Scot1Beatspscooter63Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 32
    Like elijahg, I used to love my HomePod but have fallen out of love with it.  For me the issue is it no longer works well.  I upgraded the HP (13.3.1 to 13.4.5) a few months ago and it immediately started having playback issues.  I have a very simple setup and ONLY use(d) the HP to play audio which I streamed from my Mac.  No Siri, no other music sources.  Playing music consistently caused an interruption with the audio stream.  I mean consistently:  The same two songs played in succession caused the audio to fail at the same point...  Every single time.  Hours and hours of troubleshooting with Apple support resulted in a complete denial of an issue at Apple's end.  Replaced the HP with a Sonos speaker and voila!  The problem went away!  The audio quality is not nearly as good as the HP (not even close), but - it - works!

    I do miss the quality of the audio, but the inability to roll back the OS, the lack of a fix, and the denial of responsibility have caused me to bail on the HP.  After 30+ years, perhaps this is the start of my abandoning the Apple echo-system.  Time to break out the C-64!

    Does anybody need a large, black paperweight?
    williamlondonAlex1N
  • Reply 10 of 32
    Really need a HomePod Mini. I have 3 Echo Dots in my house & I hate them. CONSTANT issues controlling my Hue lights, yet I can ask
    Siri or do it via the Home app w/ 100% success. Only happens with the lights in my kid’s bedrooms. No matter how many times I’ve unpair or reset everything, the issue with Alexa & the Hue lights in those 2 rooms always come back. If the “Mini” is real and around $99, I’ll buy 3 and remove Alexa/Echo’s altogether from my home. 
    george kaplanBeatspscooter63Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 32
    Rayz2016 said:
    Not that I'm a strategic expert on this kind of stuff, but I still reckon they're missing a trick by not building a router into these things.

    Still, might move the larger one down to kitchen and get a smaller one for the office.
    I think the bigger mistake is not including a wired option.  If nothing else, a wired ethernet connection eliminates wireless interference or access point issues as a potential source of problems.
    williamlondonelijahgScot1Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 32
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,056member
    Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    Nobody should set smart speaker above eye level. Ask Amazon Echoes where their LED line is located...it’s on top of the device, same as all buttons!
    edited October 2020 Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 32
    elijahg said:
    nicholfd said:
    elijahg said:
    I used to love my HP, but I have gradually fallen out of love with it over Siri. The sound quality is great, but thats about it. Siri is plain terrible, and seems to be getting worse, at least versus Alexa/Google Home. I thought when Apple introduced a new speaker with its main UI being Siri, they'd prioritise making Siri less crap. But apparently not. For anything other than the most basic of music playing commands, it either:

    • Misunderstands what I say (though that is reasonably rare now, maybe 10% of the time, was 30%)
    • Misinterprets what I mean (30% of the time)
    • Misses the "Hey Siri" keywords (10% of the time)
    • Siri activates on the wrong device (30% of the time)
    • Doesn't work because of a "network issue" when everything else is fine (was never, now 20%)
    • Fails to find my phone on the network despite it being on the network and working fine - this usually happens when adding reminders, despite it having access to the reminders via iCloud (was never, now 30% of the time)
    • Answers "I can't do that/find the answer to that on HomePod" (most questions that are not related to iOS itself. I'm always surprised when it answers correctly)

    Which adds up to mean it doesn't work often enough that if my phone is in the same or next room, it takes less time to go and get it and use Siri on my phone directly, or just use the UI. There are non-Siri related issues too, both of mine seem to have lost their auto gain settings, because when using Facetime Audio people complain they can't hear me. Also the audio stream regularly stops for a bit and we lose each other for 5-10 seconds. No such issue with my phone on the same network. Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    For those I highlighted in bold, sounds like you now (because you state it's getting worse) have a home WiFi & BT interference issue.  What device Siri activates on is based on being able to find your other devices via primarily BT.  The other two definitely need reliable WiFi.  Maybe something changed in your environment to cause interference or unreliability with WiFi & BT?
    I wish that was the case but unfortunately doesn't seem to be! I have all Ubiquiti networking gear, and have done ever since I had a HP. I don't get any wifi-related issues on my Macs or iPhones. There are no other WiFi networks nearby, and the RF scans in the Ubiquiti UI show no interference and a noise floor of -95dBm. It's generally a pretty quiet environment electrically here, few switching power supplies, no big motors etc. I've swapped APs too, and still doesn't make any discernible difference. The HP is connected at about 500Mbps (with 300Mbps fibre upstream), and pinging it constantly during the voice call drops shows no loss of packets, so I don't think it's my network. But I do appreciate the suggestion, thanks :) 
    Yikes! That’s terrible. Looks like 100% of the time your HP doesn’t work. When is the last time you reset it and set it back up? Mine worked a lot better after resetting it. 

    I know that Siri was supposed to get some improvements on the HP and I’m thinking that in conjunction with another model being announced, there would be an announcement of a newer version of the software that runs on it to improve most if not all the shortcomings you mentioned. 

    The only problem I have with my 2 speakers is that my phone won’t respond to “Hey Siri” when at home. It hands of the request to the nearest HP and like you said, Siri on the HP is dumb as a box of rocks if you query it with anything besides time, news and weather. 
    Alex1N
  • Reply 14 of 32
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    elijahg said:
    nicholfd said:
    elijahg said:
    I used to love my HP, but I have gradually fallen out of love with it over Siri. The sound quality is great, but thats about it. Siri is plain terrible, and seems to be getting worse, at least versus Alexa/Google Home. I thought when Apple introduced a new speaker with its main UI being Siri, they'd prioritise making Siri less crap. But apparently not. For anything other than the most basic of music playing commands, it either:

    • Misunderstands what I say (though that is reasonably rare now, maybe 10% of the time, was 30%)
    • Misinterprets what I mean (30% of the time)
    • Misses the "Hey Siri" keywords (10% of the time)
    • Siri activates on the wrong device (30% of the time)
    • Doesn't work because of a "network issue" when everything else is fine (was never, now 20%)
    • Fails to find my phone on the network despite it being on the network and working fine - this usually happens when adding reminders, despite it having access to the reminders via iCloud (was never, now 30% of the time)
    • Answers "I can't do that/find the answer to that on HomePod" (most questions that are not related to iOS itself. I'm always surprised when it answers correctly)

    Which adds up to mean it doesn't work often enough that if my phone is in the same or next room, it takes less time to go and get it and use Siri on my phone directly, or just use the UI. There are non-Siri related issues too, both of mine seem to have lost their auto gain settings, because when using Facetime Audio people complain they can't hear me. Also the audio stream regularly stops for a bit and we lose each other for 5-10 seconds. No such issue with my phone on the same network. Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    For those I highlighted in bold, sounds like you now (because you state it's getting worse) have a home WiFi & BT interference issue.  What device Siri activates on is based on being able to find your other devices via primarily BT.  The other two definitely need reliable WiFi.  Maybe something changed in your environment to cause interference or unreliability with WiFi & BT?
    I wish that was the case but unfortunately doesn't seem to be! I have all Ubiquiti networking gear, and have done ever since I had a HP. I don't get any wifi-related issues on my Macs or iPhones. There are no other WiFi networks nearby, and the RF scans in the Ubiquiti UI show no interference and a noise floor of -95dBm. It's generally a pretty quiet environment electrically here, few switching power supplies, no big motors etc. I've swapped APs too, and still doesn't make any discernible difference. The HP is connected at about 500Mbps (with 300Mbps fibre upstream), and pinging it constantly during the voice call drops shows no loss of packets, so I don't think it's my network. But I do appreciate the suggestion, thanks :) 
    Yikes! That’s terrible. Looks like 100% of the time your HP doesn’t work. When is the last time you reset it and set it back up? Mine worked a lot better after resetting it. 

    I know that Siri was supposed to get some improvements on the HP and I’m thinking that in conjunction with another model being announced, there would be an announcement of a newer version of the software that runs on it to improve most if not all the shortcomings you mentioned. 

    The only problem I have with my 2 speakers is that my phone won’t respond to “Hey Siri” when at home. It hands of the request to the nearest HP and like you said, Siri on the HP is dumb as a box of rocks if you query it with anything besides time, news and weather. 
    I use it for time, news and weather, controlling the lights around the house, getting the opening and closing times of shops in the area (it starts with the nearest branch of Tesco and then asks me if I want to hear more, setting timers, playing music, kickoff times for football matches, dates of birth of historical figures, population …

    I used to get movie times, but that hasn’t been useful since the lockdown started obviously. 

    I’m endlessly fascinated by how Siri can answer the most complex requests, then fail on a really simple one. 
    BeatsAlex1Nmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 15 of 32
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,329member
    nicholfd said:
    elijahg said:
    I used to love my HP, but I have gradually fallen out of love with it over Siri. The sound quality is great, but thats about it. Siri is plain terrible, and seems to be getting worse, at least versus Alexa/Google Home. I thought when Apple introduced a new speaker with its main UI being Siri, they'd prioritise making Siri less crap. But apparently not. For anything other than the most basic of music playing commands, it either:

    • Misunderstands what I say (though that is reasonably rare now, maybe 10% of the time, was 30%)
    • Misinterprets what I mean (30% of the time)
    • Misses the "Hey Siri" keywords (10% of the time)
    • Siri activates on the wrong device (30% of the time)
    • Doesn't work because of a "network issue" when everything else is fine (was never, now 20%)
    • Fails to find my phone on the network despite it being on the network and working fine - this usually happens when adding reminders, despite it having access to the reminders via iCloud (was never, now 30% of the time)
    • Answers "I can't do that/find the answer to that on HomePod" (most questions that are not related to iOS itself. I'm always surprised when it answers correctly)

    Which adds up to mean it doesn't work often enough that if my phone is in the same or next room, it takes less time to go and get it and use Siri on my phone directly, or just use the UI. There are non-Siri related issues too, both of mine seem to have lost their auto gain settings, because when using Facetime Audio people complain they can't hear me. Also the audio stream regularly stops for a bit and we lose each other for 5-10 seconds. No such issue with my phone on the same network. Oh and the activation light being on the top is dumb, because you don't know if Siri has activated unless the HP is lower than you are. This is all really unfortunate, because it has really soured my view of the HP which is potentially a great device.
    For those I highlighted in bold, sounds like you now (because you state it's getting worse) have a home WiFi & BT interference issue.  What device Siri activates on is based on being able to find your other devices via primarily BT.  The other two definitely need reliable WiFi.  Maybe something changed in your environment to cause interference or unreliability with WiFi & BT?

    The obvious solution is to stop the iPhone and Watch from listening for Hey Siri. I mean really, the Watch is on my wrist, if I can't hold down the button to activate Siri, something is wrong. Same with the phone that is almost always on me when I'm not home. And when home, I want the HomePod to respond, not the phone.

    However, my wife's phone and iPad still listen for Hey Siri and the HomePod still always responds.
  • Reply 16 of 32
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,329member
    dewme said:
    I know it’s obvious to say, but the make or break factor for a HomePod mini will be the price. I don’t see Apple dropping the price low enough to displace Echo Dot so it will have to go after the Echo Plus/4th Gen Echo which is around $100 USD. If I had to guess I’d bet a HomePod mini would probably be in the $179-$199 price range which will solidify its place as a sub niche in the niche HomePod product line. 

    I love the HomePod for what it is, a great sounding way to consume Apple Music in a large space, and even more so when used in conjunction with an Apple TV. The problem that I have with HomePod is that it isn’t inexpensive enough to use as a primary HomeKit peripheral, i.e., a secondary role played by Echo Dots in an Amazon/Ring home automation and security installation. Price is also key. I have no problem putting a $30 Echo Dot in my garage or shed for background listening and Alexa Guard functionality. Hate to admit, but once Echo devices became Apple Music compatible any residual desire I had to purchase a second HomePod vanished. Poof! If I had a TV and Apple TV in a bedroom perhaps I’d seriously consider getting another HomePod and a mini would be a good option.

    I have no problems with Siri on HomePod. I’m just not sold on HomeKit. Apple needs to flesh out the device options and needs to develop or partner with others on the services side, like professional safety and security monitoring. The Amazon-Ring mashup was a little shaky at the start, but it’s hitting its stride and pushing out compelling second generation (and beyond)  products and services while Apple (HomeKit) is still watching from the sidelines. 
    I've been slowly but steadily building out my HomeKit network. Started with one then a bunch of Wemo outlets, an iHome outdoor outlet for the pool filter, added some LIFX bulbs, then an August lock, more LIFX bulbs outside and now my first HomeKit cameras. Added an Eve switch so that you don't need the phone handy to turn on the outdoor lights and worry that somebody will use the wall switch and kill power completely. Just confirmed with Arlo yesterday that their new wire-free doorbell will be HK compatible. Will pick one up and finally get rid of the Ring.

    Really love being able to set up and use from the Home app and rarely ever need to use individual apps. Been pretty much rock solid.

    Alex1N
  • Reply 17 of 32
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,955member
    mike1 said:
    dewme said:
    I know it’s obvious to say, but the make or break factor for a HomePod mini will be the price. I don’t see Apple dropping the price low enough to displace Echo Dot so it will have to go after the Echo Plus/4th Gen Echo which is around $100 USD. If I had to guess I’d bet a HomePod mini would probably be in the $179-$199 price range which will solidify its place as a sub niche in the niche HomePod product line. 

    I love the HomePod for what it is, a great sounding way to consume Apple Music in a large space, and even more so when used in conjunction with an Apple TV. The problem that I have with HomePod is that it isn’t inexpensive enough to use as a primary HomeKit peripheral, i.e., a secondary role played by Echo Dots in an Amazon/Ring home automation and security installation. Price is also key. I have no problem putting a $30 Echo Dot in my garage or shed for background listening and Alexa Guard functionality. Hate to admit, but once Echo devices became Apple Music compatible any residual desire I had to purchase a second HomePod vanished. Poof! If I had a TV and Apple TV in a bedroom perhaps I’d seriously consider getting another HomePod and a mini would be a good option.

    I have no problems with Siri on HomePod. I’m just not sold on HomeKit. Apple needs to flesh out the device options and needs to develop or partner with others on the services side, like professional safety and security monitoring. The Amazon-Ring mashup was a little shaky at the start, but it’s hitting its stride and pushing out compelling second generation (and beyond)  products and services while Apple (HomeKit) is still watching from the sidelines. 
    I've been slowly but steadily building out my HomeKit network. Started with one then a bunch of Wemo outlets, an iHome outdoor outlet for the pool filter, added some LIFX bulbs, then an August lock, more LIFX bulbs outside and now my first HomeKit cameras. Added an Eve switch so that you don't need the phone handy to turn on the outdoor lights and worry that somebody will use the wall switch and kill power completely. Just confirmed with Arlo yesterday that their new wire-free doorbell will be HK compatible. Will pick one up and finally get rid of the Ring.

    Really love being able to set up and use from the Home app and rarely ever need to use individual apps. Been pretty much rock solid.

    HK is solid here too. Dozen devices maybe - lights, switches, outlets, sensors, etc. Had an issue with a new wall dimmer switch being weird a couple years ago, but between firmware & OS updates, there haven’t been any issues in years. Schedules run the house, and commands to my HPs otherwise. Or the Watch. 
    Alex1N
  • Reply 18 of 32
    I can’t imagine a reality where HomePod mini matches Echo Dot for price point, even double the price if Apple prioritizes (A) sound quality, and (B) build quality and security.

    I would be shocked if Amazon made a penny on a $40 Dot (maybe now, after years of amortizing costs), and the constant supply of “refurbished” Dots indicates and unending stream of DOAs exchanged though Amazon and refurbished.

    We had a Dot, fairly early on, an impulse buy at Best Buy for $25. It was clearly a Trojan Horse to get Alexa into the household and create a ubiquity with other IoT appliances. It began to creep me out that it was always listening—and we experienced the incredibly spooky spontaneous “laughing” from Echo, in a quiet room with no input—so we turned off the mic, and that defeated the purpose of having the Dot in the first place. I lost faith in Amazon’s ability to put my privacy and security over its need to monetize everything it can see.

    HomePod has been far from perfect, but the sound quality is excellent in my 2000s-era home (Great Room design with living space and open kitchen in one room, hard surfaces throughout). The far-reach mics pick up our requests from the next room or over ridiculously loud music. Most importantly, Mrs Kaplan can use it, and she tells me constantly she wants her next phone to be a Jitterbug because she gets burned out on tech. I have rudimentary HomeKit tools, and she can turn lights off and on and feel like a boss.
    Alex1N
  • Reply 19 of 32
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,534member
    mike1 said:
    dewme said:
    I know it’s obvious to say, but the make or break factor for a HomePod mini will be the price. I don’t see Apple dropping the price low enough to displace Echo Dot so it will have to go after the Echo Plus/4th Gen Echo which is around $100 USD. If I had to guess I’d bet a HomePod mini would probably be in the $179-$199 price range which will solidify its place as a sub niche in the niche HomePod product line. 

    I love the HomePod for what it is, a great sounding way to consume Apple Music in a large space, and even more so when used in conjunction with an Apple TV. The problem that I have with HomePod is that it isn’t inexpensive enough to use as a primary HomeKit peripheral, i.e., a secondary role played by Echo Dots in an Amazon/Ring home automation and security installation. Price is also key. I have no problem putting a $30 Echo Dot in my garage or shed for background listening and Alexa Guard functionality. Hate to admit, but once Echo devices became Apple Music compatible any residual desire I had to purchase a second HomePod vanished. Poof! If I had a TV and Apple TV in a bedroom perhaps I’d seriously consider getting another HomePod and a mini would be a good option.

    I have no problems with Siri on HomePod. I’m just not sold on HomeKit. Apple needs to flesh out the device options and needs to develop or partner with others on the services side, like professional safety and security monitoring. The Amazon-Ring mashup was a little shaky at the start, but it’s hitting its stride and pushing out compelling second generation (and beyond)  products and services while Apple (HomeKit) is still watching from the sidelines. 
    I've been slowly but steadily building out my HomeKit network. Started with one then a bunch of Wemo outlets, an iHome outdoor outlet for the pool filter, added some LIFX bulbs, then an August lock, more LIFX bulbs outside and now my first HomeKit cameras. Added an Eve switch so that you don't need the phone handy to turn on the outdoor lights and worry that somebody will use the wall switch and kill power completely. Just confirmed with Arlo yesterday that their new wire-free doorbell will be HK compatible. Will pick one up and finally get rid of the Ring.

    Really love being able to set up and use from the Home app and rarely ever need to use individual apps. Been pretty much rock solid.

    Apple will eventually get there with HomeKit, but it’s been way too slow to roll out, and it wasn’t even an option when I built out my system a couple of years ago. Can you even buy PoE HomeKit compatible cameras? If Apple had starter kits and turnkey solutions directly or through a partner and offered remote surveillance, professional monitoring, wired + cellular backup, and video storage using their massive cloud infrastructure I would have gone in that direction.

    I really prefer anything PoE because it’s a low-voltage single cable solution and very reliable compared to WiFi. I don’t see a lot of HomeKit devices that support PoE. On the other hand I’d also prefer to have a homogeneous Ethernet based networking solution that HomeKit supports natively rather than relying on gateways and bridges to other wireless sensor networks like Zigbee and Z-Wave +. With no perfect solution available you have to choose the one that has the fewest compromises for your specific needs.

    If I need to upgrade in a few years I’ll definitely revisit the HomeKit option again to see where it’s at and hopefully they’ll be a much broader selection of devices.
    edited October 2020 pscooter63Alex1N
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    sirlance99sirlance99 Posts: 1,295member
    supadav03 said:
    Really need a HomePod Mini. I have 3 Echo Dots in my house & I hate them. CONSTANT issues controlling my Hue lights, yet I can ask
    Siri or do it via the Home app w/ 100% success. Only happens with the lights in my kid’s bedrooms. No matter how many times I’ve unpair or reset everything, the issue with Alexa & the Hue lights in those 2 rooms always come back. If the “Mini” is real and around $99, I’ll buy 3 and remove Alexa/Echo’s altogether from my home. 
    Funny how I read people with exactly the opposite view point and experience. 
    OctoMonkeyallmypeopleelijahg
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