Im a professional trader and the mac platform is a total and utter failure for professional stock trading and please don’t try to justify think or swim running on java. Its a non starter . Have you tried shorting a stock on TOS!
Please re-read your post. It's clear as mud. Are you claiming there is no trading software for macOS? Are you claiming Java doesn't run on macOS (it does)? TOS?
Intel should focus on winning the performance game vs AMD and Apple’s M1. Not doing these marketing stuff or dirty tricks against AMD.
Macs esp the laptops are designed for a very small percentage of the market. Mainly the consumer market. They are not very expandable, have many limitations on adding monitors, they don’t even have an ethernet port. These things are essential for the professional market. This insane crusade to limit physical ports simplify and miniaturize is affecting reliability and really hampering their adoption in the biggest market segments. That’s fine and its a design choice, just don’t expect the mass of computer users out there to buy them.
Wow - you sound butthurt with all these posts. What are you an Apple customer? Why are you reading or posting here?
Dear Intel, have you seen the back side of a PC lately? It's not a pretty sight.
Probably prettier than the mess of cables and dongles hanging OUTSIDE my Mac.
Detnator said: ... All those points you’re complaining about are positive points for Apple’s target market. Apple is not in the business of making devices for everyone. ... Apple has always pushed things forward and left past and even current tech behind.
Umm... I've been an Apple user since the late '80s. I love when they push tech forward. However, I get the difference between that and bullshit marketing. Explain how Apple going to USB-C *ONLY*, or dropping the 3.5mm jack, or dropping GPU/eGPU support, etc. pushes technology forward, please.
Detnator said: He said he’d rather just have USB-C everywhere. And so would I. And so would a lot of people. It’s unfortunate that there are a lot of other people holding us back from that, very arguably better, situation.
Well sure, but then there's also reality. I wish my Mac were fission-nuclear powered too, but I've got to live in the real world with it. Having USB-C ports.... awesome. Having *ONLY* USB-C ports... stupid (on anything but the tiniest of devices).
mcdave said: Best to buy modern cables with the odd dongle for the odd exception.
Problem is that it isn't the exception. USB-C is the exception. Hopefully that will change some day... the question is how many years into the future?
mcdave said: & dongling out old connectors (HDMI, USB xyz) with USB-C female dongles rather than dongling out the new stuff.
So, I should spend $100s,maybe $1000s on cables and docs for each connector (when afaik, a true hub still doesn't even exist)... and what benefit do I get from doing so? A bunch more things to go wrong? Possible incompatibilities and flakiness? A really messy desk? A lighter wallet? Bragging rights that I'm futuristic?
MplsP said: You do realize that there are many people who are heavily invested in Apple, so switching to a PC is not as simple as simply buying one, right? Unlike PCs you have no choice with Macs - there's one manufacturer, so if you want a Mac you have to ether take it or leave it. That gives Apple definite advantages in controlling the architecture, but at the expense of limited choice for users. You and many others seem to think that people are required to love everything Apple unconditionally. If they don't they are just a Troll and can go screw themselves and buy a PC. It'e entirely possible that you prefer Macs and MacOS but are annoyed by the needless inconveniences that Apple decides to foist upon their users.
Well said! There are clearly trolls, but everyone complaining about Apple isn't a troll. What other feedback method do we have but to make a public outcry and hope it gets 'loud' enough that someone at Apple notices and cares?
Fidonet127 said: People want modern Macs, and some people don’t want old connections.
Woah! Who are these people you speak of? And, are connections that are on like 95% of everything old? I'm not anti-USB-C, but I also have to live in reality. I need a *MIXTURE* of ports until they are truly old and I don't need them anymore, or at least sufficiently rare that I'm happy to deal with an adapter in some (hopefully increasingly rare) situations.
WTF are you talking about. I have 2 x TB3 docks that serve more connections than you mention. One is 3-4 years old. Cables - Buy the one you need with all the connectors on it. Might cost you $20-$30.
I remember when Apple went was the first to go all USB-A and everyone bitched and moaned. It was obviously the right move then, just as going USB-C is now. The difference is that USB-C is the port that does it all.
Except that it didn't. It went all-USB-A instead of things like ADB... in other words, the serial component bus. So, yes, we had to have adapters for keyboards/mice, and maybe a few peripherals (like a software dongle key, etc.). But, we still had video ports, Ethernet ports, etc. and they all worked pretty well.
Also, I lived though that, and can't remember complaining (maybe I did?). But, it wasn't nearly the pain this transition is (assuming it actually happens... and does so in under a decade... we're already half-way).
What I do remember was the Duo Dock era that promised one connection for everything.... for as long as that lated. This is starting to feel more like that. And, is Apple even supporting the the TB future anymore? Is my eGPU a paperweight? Inquiring minds would like to know!
mattinoz said: At least this year USB-c hubs insides displays are becoming common so one USB-c connection to Laptop or small footprint machine gets you, Ethernet, SD cards, USB-a for keyboards and minor/legacy accessories.
Yes, so you can now get a dock with most fo what you need in terms of ports for $100-200, I guess. You have to be careful about quality if you need your Ethernet and video to work correctly. You'll probably need drivers (so future usefulness?).
<sarcasm> It really is an favor and convenience Apple is providing to have to buy additional gear that might work. </sarcasm>
I'll be convinced about the transition when I can buy all my peripherals in USB-C/TB form to begin with, and actual hubs exist into which I can plug several USB-C cables which all these peripherals come with (and the plug on the peripheral end is USB-C as well, instead of some absolutely-completely-horrrible connector with a USB-C on the other end).
It will be great if the USB-C/TB dream happens some day (assuming we're not heading into some new 'standard' before then), and they get all the cable confusion worked out, etc. But, we're currently not even at the infancy point in that transition yet, 5+ years into it. It's mostly just been an inconvenience, expense, and a LOT of pretending we're futuristic.
That's because there wasn't one port to manage all of that, like TB3.
TB is on all new/current Macs - what's your question?
Nope - < $50. Nope - it generally just works (no issues here with several USB-C hubs). Nope - no drivers for ANY TB3 or USB-C hubs/adapters. I have.
Fidonet127 said: My personal experience with the ASi laptop is despite all the USB-A devices and cables we have, we rarely use any cable except for the one for power.
... The only time I've used a USB A anything in the last two years has been to charge my iPhone. ... USB C is the future, and the longer that we hang onto old tech, the longer it will continue to get made. Getting rid of the USB A port is a change, but Apple getting rid of it pushes the industry forward in a good way.
Well, and then there are people like me... I've got a software dongle (USB-A), a little audio interface (USB-A), a mic (USB-A), a scanner which I don't use much, but (USB-A), some external drives (USB-A, one USB-C). I also run HDMI and Ethernet, which would suck if I had to depend on a dongle/dock for that (luckily I have a Mac mini/eGPU which has those ports).
But, the bigger problem is if they were all USB-C, how would I even plug them all in? There are no USB-C hubs. I suppose there are some technical reasons, but it's probably mostly lack of demand.... because so few peripherals are USB-C!
For my new iPhone 12 mini, I took the USB-C cable it came with so I now hook my devices to my computer with it, as it was useless for charging. I don't have any USB-C power bricks (which Apple seemed to assume I would).
As mentioned earlier, sure I can buy docks, adapters, and dongles. I've spent over $200 on them in the last year alone ($200 I wouldn't have had to spend with previous generation Apple gear). They've basically pushed off the irritations and costs associated with THEIR push to the future, onto me. Thanks, Apple!
I'm an early tech adopter. I always have been. I've paid to be bleeding edge. But, usually there was something in it for me. I've yet to really see what that is with USB-C. It's not so much that it is bad (it is confusing), but that it would be nice if some reasonable percentage of the world were using something before it was declared the new 'standard' and everything else (widely in use) the 'legacy.'
Sure there are - you just haven't looked. I have a 10-port hub from Amazon: Powered USB Hub - ACASIS 10 Ports. The USB cable is external, and for $6 I purchased a USB-C -> USB3-B cable. And there are TB3/4 hubs (which include USB-C): OWC THUNDERBOLT HUB.
Guess this was your next complaint because you refused to look (shows your ignorance.)
nicholfd said: And you plug it into your 6" USB-C -> USB-A adapter, or your TB 3/4 dock that has many USB-A ports.
That you always keep in your pocket, just for such occasions? The point isn't that it can't be done, but the inconvenience, especially on laptops.
nicholfd said: WTF are you talking about. I have 2 x TB3 docks that serve more connections than you mention. One is 3-4 years old. Cables - Buy the one you need with all the connectors on it. Might cost you $20-$30.
Wow, 2x TB3 docks and some cables for $20-30? Amazing. Yeah, I have all the ports I need as well on my mini and Blackmagic eGPU. It cost a bit more than $30, though, and I'm not sure how it is prettier than just having ports on a machine.
The point is, though, that if you did have, say 5 or 6 peripherals all with USB-C, what would you plug them into? There are no USB-C hubs that I'm aware of. All the existing 'hubs' are really docks that convert USB-C to a bunch of other ports... *maybe* w/ 2 USB-C.
nicholfd said: TB is on all new/current Macs - what's your question?
Nope - < $50. Nope - it generally just works (no issues here with several USB-C hubs). Nope - no drivers for ANY TB3 or USB-C hubs/adapters. I have.
What's your next complaint?
Sorry, I should have said support for the kinds of things like eGPUs (not the ports themselves). Apple hasn't been clear about that. USB-C hubs works well (generally) for USB devices. They can be flaky for Ethernet especially and video. The one we just bought for my son's MBP requires a driver for Ethernet.
nicholfd said: Sure there are - you just haven't looked. I have a 10-port hub from Amazon: Powered USB Hub - ACASIS 10 Ports. The USB cable is external, and for $6 I purchased a USB-C -> USB3-B cable. And there are TB3/4 hubs (which include USB-C): OWC THUNDERBOLT HUB.
Guess this was your next complaint because you refused to look (shows your ignorance.)
Looks like USB-A to me. How is that useful to you have you have all USB-C? The OWC one seems on track, when did that get released (for the first time ever? Pre-order?)? Still, that's kind of a limited number of ports.
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WTF are you talking about. I have 2 x TB3 docks that serve more connections than you mention. One is 3-4 years old. Cables - Buy the one you need with all the connectors on it. Might cost you $20-$30.
That's because there wasn't one port to manage all of that, like TB3.
TB is on all new/current Macs - what's your question?
Nope - < $50. Nope - it generally just works (no issues here with several USB-C hubs). Nope - no drivers for ANY TB3 or USB-C hubs/adapters. I have.
What's your next complaint?
Sure there are - you just haven't looked. I have a 10-port hub from Amazon: Powered USB Hub - ACASIS 10 Ports. The USB cable is external, and for $6 I purchased a USB-C -> USB3-B cable. And there are TB3/4 hubs (which include USB-C): OWC THUNDERBOLT HUB.
Guess this was your next complaint because you refused to look (shows your ignorance.)
Wow, 2x TB3 docks and some cables for $20-30? Amazing.
Yeah, I have all the ports I need as well on my mini and Blackmagic eGPU. It cost a bit more than $30, though, and I'm not sure how it is prettier than just having ports on a machine.
The point is, though, that if you did have, say 5 or 6 peripherals all with USB-C, what would you plug them into? There are no USB-C hubs that I'm aware of. All the existing 'hubs' are really docks that convert USB-C to a bunch of other ports... *maybe* w/ 2 USB-C.
Sorry, I should have said support for the kinds of things like eGPUs (not the ports themselves). Apple hasn't been clear about that.
USB-C hubs works well (generally) for USB devices. They can be flaky for Ethernet especially and video. The one we just bought for my son's MBP requires a driver for Ethernet.
Looks like USB-A to me. How is that useful to you have you have all USB-C?
The OWC one seems on track, when did that get released (for the first time ever? Pre-order?)? Still, that's kind of a limited number of ports.