2021 Apple TV 4K versus 2017 Apple TV 4K - Who should buy the new model, and who should no...

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The new Apple TV 4K has a lot going for it, but chiefly depending on who you are and whether you already have a previous one. Here's who the new version benefits, and who it doesn't.




If you want the new Apple TV 4K, and it's in your budget, then you go right ahead and get it. It is a very good device with a huge amount to offer and we're not here to suggest otherwise.

But we are here to point out who specifically gets the most from that huge amount to offer. The short version is that if you've never had an Apple TV before, this is the one to buy. And if you already have the most recent Apple TV 4K, it isn't.

At either $179 or $199, the new Apple TV 4K isn't a casual purchase. And if cost-saving options are key, Apple TV 4K can easily be beaten.

Low-cost alternatives

It's only one part of the Apple TV box, but the Apple TV app is a major element and that is available elsewhere. Exactly the same app can be used on many Roku set top boxes, for instance, and Roku can be ludicrously cheaper.

Just how much cheaper is a little complicated, though. There are Roku devices embedded in TV sets that cost hundreds or thousands, and there are Roku set top boxes that cost $25. Roku covers all points between and the one consistent part is that they're all harder to use than Apple TV 4K.

Apple TV on Roku
Apple TV on Roku


Plus it is specifically the Apple TV app that's available on Roku, not anything else that Apple TV 4K offers. So you can't get Apple Fitness+, for instance. And if you already have an iPhone, sending video from that to your TV set is so simple that the family will do it.

So there are alternatives that will get you some Apple TV-style functions, for less money.

If you already have a pre-4K Apple TV

Until the new Apple TV 4K was announced, Apple was obviously selling the previous model -- but, less obviously, it was also selling the one before that. You could buy what became known as the Apple TV HD.

It was cheaper, it was fine, but it didn't change from either its price or its technical specifications in the six years it was on sale. Most significantly, it solely output HD video and most TV sets are now 4K.

The 2015 Apple TV HD still isn't going away -- but it is gaining the new Siri Remote
The 2015 Apple TV HD still isn't going away -- but it is gaining the new Siri Remote


So if you have an Apple TV HD, check your television set. If that isn't 4K, you might as well stick with what you've got. But if it is 4K, upgrading to the new Apple TV 4K will get you a marked improvement.

Even with it being more expensive than rivals, a new Apple TV 4K is worth it to you. Especially if you use yours as much as AppleInsider does. You've had up to six years of excessive use, get the new one and enjoy the picture quality, the audio quality, and the speed.

If you have an even older Apple TV, run to buy the new one. It is that significantly better.

If you already have a previous Apple TV 4K

There are differences between the latest Apple TV 4K and the previous model, but they are not significant enough to mean you ought to upgrade -- yet.

Alongside everything you can enjoy from the new Apple TV 4K now, though, there are reasons to expect more to come. It now includes Thread support, for instance, which is going to be increasingly useful in smart homes.

Plus it supports HDMI 2.1, which at least in theory means Apple could add 120Hz video. And it uses Wi-Fi 6, too.

Your TV set now probably supports 4K and that is a real reason to buy an Apple TV 4K box
Your TV set now probably supports 4K and that is a real reason to buy an Apple TV 4K box


These are all features that are going to be increasingly useful, but for now, today, they aren't ones that will give you much of a visible difference between the last model and this.

If you're looking for a visible difference, though, the new model does have a completely redesigned Siri Remote. But that's also available separately, and it works with the previous Apple TV 4K, and the Apple TV HD.

That old Siri Remote gets unfairly derided, but if you are one of those who hates it, you now have an option. Instead of paying the full price for a new Apple TV 4K, you can pay $59 and get the remote by itself.

What stops the Apple TV 4K being compelling

Truly, the key decision over whether to upgrade or not -- assuming you're interested and presuming you have the budget for it -- does come down to what you already have. It's what you've got and what the differences are that you'll see in the new one.

However, even beyond that, there is an issue that stops this new Apple TV 4K being a compelling buy. It's the processor.

The new Apple TV 4K uses the A12 Bionic processor, and the way Apple tells it, that's incredibly faster than the previous models. It's technically true that the A12 is faster than the A10X, but what the company significantly does not mention, though, is that the A12 Bionic is three years old.

So you're getting a three-year-old processor instead of either a four- or a six-year-old one. It's not as if Apple has stood still since 2018, either, so the processor in your 2020 iPhone 12 is considerably faster than the one in your 2021 Apple TV 4K.

It will still shine when you're moving between apps or selecting from menus. The real test will come with the 4K streaming.

For it's the A12 Bionic that will do the heavy lifting of decoding the 4K stream and displaying it. No question, you would want a more recent processor like the A14 in 2020's iPhone 12 range. Or even M1, though that might possibly be overkill.

There are definite, noticeable improvements between how even 2019's A13 Bionic handles Apple's Metal graphics acceleration, compared to the A12 Bionic.

Yet Apple says that the new box can handle 4K HDR content at 60 frames per second. And the only real problem is that there isn't much 60fps HDR video streaming footage to watch yet.

Plus it's likely that an A12 Bionic, dedicated to displaying Apple TV output, is going to be better than the processor in a smart TV.

Apple Arcade now has over 180 titles
Apple Arcade now has over 180 titles

Apple Arcade

So the A12 Bionic could be enough processor for now. Since you will probably be keeping the Apple TV for a long time, though, it's possible the processor will start to become long in the tooth. And, since that processor is already a few years old, that day may come sooner that you may like.

That may not just be the case for watching television, either. Another potentially key part of Apple TV is Apple Arcade. Apple says that gameplay is more realistic because of the A12 Bionic, and that it provides greater responsiveness with smoother motion.

Whether that makes Apple Arcade games full console quality depends on whether you've played using any consoles. But it will be (some) better than in the previous Apple TV 4K. How much better remains to be seen, and will vary by title.

We'll be talking about this more in the coming weeks.

Reasons Apple TV is compelling

It seems that the new Apple TV 4K is all about looks -- how the TV appears, and how the box is identical to the last model -- but that's not the full picture. Apple TV 4K also supports unquestionably excellent audio.

Pop a pair of HomePods next to your Apple TV and you get Dolby Atmos.

Then there are all the little touches that you don't appreciate until you use the Apple TV app built in to other manufacturers' smart TVs. Only with an actual Apple TV box do you get multiple users, for instance.

And only with an actual Apple TV 4K set top box do you get the ability to control HomeKit devices, or have the doorbell camera show up on screen during a movie. You might not want that, but you can't get it anywhere else.

Apple TV 4K won't make you work out faster, fortunately
Apple TV 4K won't make you work out faster, fortunately

The final choice

If the new Apple TV 4K didn't have a processor from 2018, there wouldn't be anything to hesitate about. There still isn't if you have anything older than the previous Apple TV 4K.

Plus, even though preorders start on April 30, there's no requirement to buy immediately. Apple TV 4K is not going to sell out in an hour, and from past experience Apple is going to keep this exact model on sale for many years.

What it might do is upgrade the software, and what might happen is that 60fps video will become more common. So you could wait and buy then.

Or if you don't care about 4K, HDR, or 60fps, Apple is going to go right on selling the old Apple TV HD. The previous 4K model is gone, but the Apple TV HD from 2015 will still be on sale and will still be exactly the same as it always was.

Except it gets the new remote. If you were to buy an Apple TV HD today, for the new price of $149, you would get the revised Siri Remote.

Apple finally got rid of that 2015-era Siri Remote, even as it stubbornly hangs on to the 2015-era Apple TV set top box.

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  • Reply 1 of 37
    jaywordjayword Posts: 13member
    "also supports unquestionably excellent audio" -- Not the case. AppleTV forces decode of Atmos inside the AppleTV into PCM (raw audio bytes without metadata). This means Atmos 3D position metadata is completely lost. AppleTV does not support true passthrough, so there is no way to preserve Atmos metadata.

    It is always possible the new AppleTV could fix this or take advantage of eARC to partially fix it in specific scenarios, but there is as yet no evidence of any fix for this forthcoming. Because of this, Apple is really at the bottom of the barrel in terms of sound quality as it can't handle proper Atmos unlike every other major media player.
    mobirdapplguyGeorgeBMacBeats
  • Reply 2 of 37
    An important element that wasn’t explicit in the article: The new ATV 4K should allow you to watch Dolby vision / high frame rate videos taken with the latest iPhones, thanks to a revised Airplay implementation. If you’d like to watch your own iPhone videos on your TV in their full glory, the new AppleTV 4K makes sense. Let’s see what the reviews will say.
    dhawkins541ljbyrneStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 37
    viclauyycviclauyyc Posts: 650member
    I just wish the new ATV has additional audio output. 

    If I hook it directly to my TV, I can only use the TV speaker or optical out to my soundbar.  

    But if it has audio out, I can connect it to my HT system. Yes, I can connect the ATV to the receiver in my HT. But I don’t want want any video quality loss.  
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 4 of 37
    WgkruegerWgkrueger Posts: 286member
    The Apple TV 4K is the third most used Apple device I have and it’s my only source of evening tv viewing. Given that I’ve decided to replace my current 4K with this new one. I’m looking at the upgraded specs and they’re enticing enough to make the switch. Specifically the hdmi spec upgrade gives me hope that it’ll reduce the occasional stutter I see. Also the increased CPU performance is an added plus. And *maybe* it’ll get a memory increase. Probably not but one can hope. 
    Beatswatto_cobralibertyforall
  • Reply 5 of 37
    Dolby Atmos is fully supported on Apple TV:  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204069
    ljbyrneStrangeDaysllamawatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 37
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 519member
    jayword said:
    "also supports unquestionably excellent audio" -- Not the case. AppleTV forces decode of Atmos inside the AppleTV into PCM (raw audio bytes without metadata). This means Atmos 3D position metadata is completely lost. AppleTV does not support true passthrough, so there is no way to preserve Atmos metadata.

    It is always possible the new AppleTV could fix this or take advantage of eARC to partially fix it in specific scenarios, but there is as yet no evidence of any fix for this forthcoming. Because of this, Apple is really at the bottom of the barrel in terms of sound quality as it can't handle proper Atmos unlike every other major media player.
    I believe you are mistaken.  

    What you state might be true if you connect the AppleTV directly to a TV, and try to take the audio from a TV to some surround sound AMP/processor, but if you connect the AppleTV 4K (current, even) directly to a Dolby Atmos compatible receiver, it will pass Dolby Atmos (my receiver shows it is receiving/processing Dolby Atmos).

    Even my Sony Dolby Atmos compatible sound bar shows Dolby Atmos coming from the current Apple TV 4K.
    mike1mobirdhammeroftruthStrangeDaysGeorgeBMacllamawatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 37
    OferOfer Posts: 89unconfirmed, member
    Apple totally dropped the ball here IMO. It’s one thing to take an area where Apple dominates, such as the iPad, and only offer minor incremental updates. They can get away with taking their time. It’s another thing altogether when Apple is the minority player. They’re obviously not going to compete with the Rokus and the Amazon Fire sticks on price. So they need to compete with innovation and features. There is nothing obviously innovative about the newest iteration of the Apple TV. Very few people (outside of brand loyalists) are going to pay the premium price on the new Apple TV over the cheaper offerings from other companies.

    As for me personally, the only feature I was hoping for, support for Spatial Audio, is not being offered on the new Apple TV. I thought this would’ve been a no-brainer.

    cypresstreeshareef777Beatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 37
    mike1mike1 Posts: 2,599member
    I'm ordering a new ATV, moving my current 4K model to a secondary room and moving my now-limited 3rd-gen ATV to a tertiary room. Looking forward to receiving it soon.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 37
    NaiyasNaiyas Posts: 59member
    The biggest two features for me personally were the addition of WiFi 6 and Thread. The rest is kind of “blah”.

    I will be getting two when they come out as I’ve been holding off for the last 8 months. I will be upgrading my HD and 3rd Gen versions. One will go to the main house and the other to the second home so I have a Thread enabled HomeKit capability in both.

    The HDs will be moved to replace the 3rd Gens and the 3rd Gens will be sold - even now they still fetch over $50 on resale (provided you have the box). Absolute bargain considering how long I’ve used them!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 37
    entropysentropys Posts: 2,887member
    mike1 said:
    I'm ordering a new ATV, moving my current 4K model to a secondary room and moving my now-limited 3rd-gen ATV to a tertiary room. Looking forward to receiving it soon.
    Exactly the same.
    ionicle
  • Reply 11 of 37
    entropysentropys Posts: 2,887member

    Ofer said:
    Apple totally dropped the ball here IMO. It’s one thing to take an area where Apple dominates, such as the iPad, and only offer minor incremental updates. They can get away with taking their time. It’s another thing altogether when Apple is the minority player. They’re obviously not going to compete with the Rokus and the Amazon Fire sticks on price. So they need to compete with innovation and features. There is nothing obviously innovative about the newest iteration of the Apple TV. Very few people (outside of brand loyalists) are going to pay the premium price on the new Apple TV over the cheaper offerings from other companies.

    As for me personally, the only feature I was hoping for, support for Spatial Audio, is not being offered on the new Apple TV. I thought this would’ve been a no-brainer.

    Well, obviously a reason is the ATV is very unlikely to be placed in the centre of your TV screen, meaning if spatial audio was directed to your ATV, it would be off centre all the time.

    Of course, I don’t see why you couldn’t do a software version of spacial audio for the TV. For example in ATV settings build a Calibrate location feature by placing your iPhone over a square in the centre of your TV screen, and have spacial audio in the ATV remember where that is in the room. That would work with older 4K and HD ATVs as well
    Oferaderutterllama
  • Reply 12 of 37
    It took a long time to get my wife to use ATV 4K box because she hated the remote. But she came around when she realized how much faster the ATV is in switching apps or cuing up a show, relative to the “smart” TVs the ATVs are connected to. The combination of the native memory (even the 32 meg) and the A12 Bionic processor makes for a much faster experience than using the smarts built into the TV. 

    With iPhone 12 devices we can stream the family videos we take directly via AirPlay, and the new box’s ability to show 60fps will be nice. 
    jamnapStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 37
    jamnapjamnap Posts: 4member
    Article fails to mention a free 12 month Apple TV + promo offer with purchase if this newest Apple TV 4K model.
    Beatschasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 37
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,430member
    Ofer said:
    Apple totally dropped the ball here IMO. It’s one thing to take an area where Apple dominates, such as the iPad, and only offer minor incremental updates. They can get away with taking their time. It’s another thing altogether when Apple is the minority player. They’re obviously not going to compete with the Rokus and the Amazon Fire sticks on price. So they need to compete with innovation and features. There is nothing obviously innovative about the newest iteration of the Apple TV. Very few people (outside of brand loyalists) are going to pay the premium price on the new Apple TV over the cheaper offerings from other companies.

    As for me personally, the only feature I was hoping for, support for Spatial Audio, is not being offered on the new Apple TV. I thought this would’ve been a no-brainer.

    Eh,  li don’t think Apple is that worried about it.  It’s not a major profit driver.  It’s more about selling Apple services.  It’s still the best streaming box for my money. That being said, I get what you’re saying.  
    OferStrangeDayschasmwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 37
    omasouomasou Posts: 135member
    I recently purchased a 2020 Sony A8H, which supports the Apple TV app. I am FINALLY down to one remote and it works really, really well.

    I'd like that the new Apple TV 4K has WiFi 6 and thread support but I recently learned that using Ethernet provides a noticeably better 4K picture and my HomePod minis can provide the thread support.

    The only issue I have had w/past units is misplacing the remote. Why they didn't build in Find My support is just plan silly. I mean do they really want me to ruin the nicely designed remote buy sticking an AirTag to it?

    So until, I find a need for Apple Arcade or Fitness+ I have no need for it, especially since it has such an old processor.
    edited April 29 GeorgeBMacBeatswatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 37
    AppleishAppleish Posts: 313member
    I’m ordering one in the AM. Between the remote, the speed, and the possibility of 120Hz video programming, it will be worth the step up. Our current 4K box goes to the bedroom to replace the HD box. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 37
    saareksaarek Posts: 1,300member
    Very tempted by alternative boxes at a third of the price, but I care about privacy and I know that those will be selling my details to the highest bidder.

    So upgrading to this new Apple TV makes sense for me, especially as I have the old HD model.
    StrangeDaysBeats
  • Reply 18 of 37
    ivanhivanh Posts: 559member
    How does the latest Apple TV 4K compare to the Apple TV app installed in the much cheaper Google TV? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 37
    ivanh said:
    How does the latest Apple TV 4K compare to the Apple TV app installed in the much cheaper Google TV? 
    It’s a good question. To really answer it, you’d need to have both. Google TV definitely studied Apple’s tvOS and the tv app, and it seems to sort of combine them.

    On tvOS, the tv app serves three functions, [1] home to all your tv Channels, [2] a way to find and buy/rent movies and television shows using your Apple ID, and [3] a place where you can track and access most of the content you’ve been watching on tvOS/iOS/iPadOS/macOS (Netflix and a few other, smaller ones, like MHz Choice, don’t participate, but all of the other big ones do).

    On Google TV, that third function is absorbed by Google TV itself, and it looks a lot like the tv app:

    https://tv.google/

    I don’t know if the tv app running on Google TV still has that third function. Probably not. Nonetheless, the first two functions, home to tv+ and any other Channels you subscribe to, plus media content you’ve bought with your Apple ID, will work just fine:

    https://support.apple.com/guide/tvplus/google-tv-apd6fda69173/1.0/web/1.0
    edited April 30 watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 37
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 11,157member
    viclauyyc said:
    I just wish the new ATV has additional audio output. 

    If I hook it directly to my TV, I can only use the TV speaker or optical out to my soundbar.  

    But if it has audio out, I can connect it to my HT system. Yes, I can connect the ATV to the receiver in my HT. But I don’t want want any video quality loss.  
    Why would you get video quality loss hooking the ATV up to your receiver as an input? I did this for years. It’s no different than hooking a BluRay player up as an input. 
    edited April 30 llamawatto_cobra
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