Rudy Giuliani says warrant illegal since agents already had data 'from the iCloud'

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  • Reply 21 of 50
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    Politics is imbued everywhere.

    When someone says stay out of politics it means they don't like your political choice. 
    edited April 2021 ronnDAalsethilarynxretrogustojony0Dogpersonbaconstangdysamoriaright_said_fredGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 22 of 50
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    Any of us who aren’t lawyers, MAYBE. Even then, probably not really true; the man seems to be woefully ignorant about so much in actual law, not to mention a number of other areas it’s embarrassing for someone like him to be ignorant about. Tech and age aren’t the issues here.
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  • Reply 23 of 50
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,931member
    "Giuliani's interpretation of the use of search warrants and why they are issued does not appear consistent with New York or Federal law, as it pertains to digital media and devices."

    Yeah, that's the defense a lot of people try to make!

  • Reply 24 of 50
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    I have to side with tnet-primary on this. Even the wording of the headline indicates an intent to ridicule the man for the inclusion of the definite article. For perspective, the man is in his mid-70s and could be some of you guys’ great-grandfather. For most of his career he probably had a secretary handling the technology of communication, like typewriters, faxes, telex and such. Not being as savvy technologically doesn’t make him a clown nor dumb.

    He could probably run rings around any of you in matters of the law, especially criminal law.
    His legal arguments have been terrible throughout all of this. Everyone not sucked into the GOP alternative reality void that heard his case knew not a single judge could rule in his favor. That includes right wing conservative judges with lifetime Trump appointments and nothing to loose but their reputations. He was thrown out of court in 60 case nationwide by mostly Trump supporting and Trump appointed judges. I think 3rd graders do better a job pleading their cases. 
    edited April 2021 ronnDogpersonbaconstangdysamoriaright_said_fredGeorgeBMacsphericfastasleep
  • Reply 25 of 50
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member

    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    I have to side with tnet-primary on this. Even the wording of the headline indicates an intent to ridicule the man for the inclusion of the definite article. For perspective, the man is in his mid-70s and could be some of you guys’ great-grandfather. For most of his career he probably had a secretary handling the technology of communication, like typewriters, faxes, telex and such. Not being as savvy technologically doesn’t make him a clown nor dumb.

    He could probably run rings around any of you in matters of the law, especially criminal law.
    What I've bolded in the quote of your post is an incredibly bad interpretation of the headline.

    If we wanted to mock him, we'd have left no doubt that was the intent.

    In regards to "matters of the law" - maybe. But 1) we aren't Criminal Law Insider, and 2) You'd think he'd know that the criteria for a search warrant for digital devices isn't limited to folks that might destroy the info, and isn't blocked because you have incomplete digital data (like what's stored in iCloud) gathered by law enforcement elsewhere.
    Yeah, repeatedly, Giuliani showcases either extensive ignorance of law, or he’s sociopathically trying to manipulate minds/gaslight people who consume his statements (people that are more ignorant of the facts than Giuliani). I’m no law worker, but even I know his claims here are bafflingly inaccurate.

    Pointing out when people promote lies and myths as if fact is exactly the issue here. Politics isn’t part of this, unless someone wants to “make it political” to believe demonstratively false data, rather than accepting demonstrably proven correct, factual information. But that goes beyond politics; it’s much closer to religion.
    edited April 2021 ronnbaconstanggeekmeeFileMakerFellerdewmeGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 26 of 50
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    Depending on how systems are configured, it would be unusual if everything was in the cloud. Typical, not everything is in the cloud, even if the authorities have everything in the cloud.

    For example, the contents of erased files still contain the data, unless the system is setup to zero out disk blocks before placing them back into the available block heap.

  • Reply 27 of 50
    genovelle said:
    His legal arguments have been terrible throughout all of this. Everyone not sucked into the GOP alternative reality void that heard his case knew not a single judge could rule in his favor. That includes right wing conservative judges with lifetime Trump appointments and nothing to loose but their reputations. He was thrown out of court in 60 case nationwide by mostly Trump supporting and Trump appointed judges. I think 3rd graders do better a job pleading their cases. 
    In THAT Mission Impossible sequel even Ethan Hunt would struggle....
  • Reply 28 of 50
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,783member
    Giuliani has been dirty for years, way before he was Mayor of NY. I expect the Ukraine investigation was just an excuse to get the warrant, and with the drives in hand now they will find some real dirt on him. When they hit him with serious charges I really expect him to flip and start blabbing about what he knows about the things DT and his kids have done. (They’ve known each other for decades.) Then things will get interesting. 
    baconstangGeorgeBMac
  • Reply 29 of 50
    XedXed Posts: 2,566member


    Rudy, that's not a secure place to store your data!

    MplsPcpsroilarynxbaconstangright_said_fredGeorgeBMacrobabafastasleep
  • Reply 30 of 50
    crowley said:
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    You read it.  If you don't like content like this then don't read it in future.  Some times the simplest solutions are the best ones.
    Old joke: Old lady calls the cops, complains the guy next door is walking around his house naked. Cop shows up, look out her window. “I don’t see anyone.” “You can with these binoculars.”
    DAalsethretrogustobaconstanggeekmeelarryjwdysamoria
  • Reply 31 of 50
    No description of that video of him on Carson is sufficient. It really has to be seen to be appreciated. 

    Also, I'd gone with the picture of him re-inventing how AirPods are worn. 


  • Reply 32 of 50
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member
    iOS devices have log files and other local storage that may be evidentiary. Giuliani's physical documents, files, receipts, etc. were presumably also gathered by law enforcement--those items wouldn't be in the cloud.
    Giuliani can say anything he wants (outside of testifying in a court of law) but the search and seizure is almost certainly legal.
    baconstang
  • Reply 33 of 50
    XedXed Posts: 2,566member
    cpsro said:
    iOS devices have log files and other local storage that may be evidentiary. Giuliani's physical documents, files, receipts, etc. were presumably also gathered by law enforcement--those items wouldn't be in the cloud.
    Giuliani can say anything he wants (outside of testifying in a court of law) but the search and seizure is almost certainly legal.
    Even if they didn't, his comment that it's illegal for a warrant to be executed if they already have similar data is ridiculous.
    muthuk_vanalingamDogpersondysamoriaright_said_fredfastasleep
  • Reply 34 of 50
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member
    Xed said:
    cpsro said:
    iOS devices have log files and other local storage that may be evidentiary. Giuliani's physical documents, files, receipts, etc. were presumably also gathered by law enforcement--those items wouldn't be in the cloud.
    Giuliani can say anything he wants (outside of testifying in a court of law) but the search and seizure is almost certainly legal.
    Even if they didn't, his comment that it's illegal for a warrant to be executed if they already have similar data is ridiculous.
    We have to expect he will defend himself by challenging the legality not just in the public eye but in court. Who doesn't expect the FBI went by the book in such a high profile case? His challenge will almost certainly be as successful as his election challenges.
    ilarynxbaconstangdewme
  • Reply 35 of 50
    XedXed Posts: 2,566member
    cpsro said:
    Xed said:
    cpsro said:
    iOS devices have log files and other local storage that may be evidentiary. Giuliani's physical documents, files, receipts, etc. were presumably also gathered by law enforcement--those items wouldn't be in the cloud.
    Giuliani can say anything he wants (outside of testifying in a court of law) but the search and seizure is almost certainly legal.
    Even if they didn't, his comment that it's illegal for a warrant to be executed if they already have similar data is ridiculous.
    We have to expect he will defend himself by challenging the legality not just in the public eye but in court. Who doesn't expect the FBI went by the book in such a high profile case? His challenge will almost certainly be as successful as his election challenges.
    I love how a certain political party is claiming how unfair it is to serve a legal warrant to someone, but are silent (or worse) when it comes to murdering people of color.
    edited April 2021 right_said_fredGeorgeBMacrobaba
  • Reply 36 of 50
    ilarynxilarynx Posts: 90member
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    We have very frequently been requested to increase our coverage of Apple as it relates to political matters. In fact, those requests greatly outnumber the times that we have been asked to stop doing so. And, I'm not sure why you're calling this "political" because our coverage on this is not that in any way.

    You'll probably find that the other coverage of this particular matter in other venues exclude "general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests" -- which is the entire point of the matter.


    Typically, those requesting that online magazines (or sports figures or entertainers or whomever) "stay out of politics" do so because their particular political persuasion isn't being stroked. In this country, everyone gets to participate in politics. 
    dysamoriarobabafastasleep
  • Reply 37 of 50
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,009member
    ilarynx said:
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    We have very frequently been requested to increase our coverage of Apple as it relates to political matters. In fact, those requests greatly outnumber the times that we have been asked to stop doing so. And, I'm not sure why you're calling this "political" because our coverage on this is not that in any way.

    You'll probably find that the other coverage of this particular matter in other venues exclude "general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests" -- which is the entire point of the matter.


    Typically, those requesting that online magazines (or sports figures or entertainers or whomever) "stay out of politics" do so because their particular political persuasion isn't being stroked. In this country, everyone gets to participate in politics. 
    Ironically, the folks who tell sports figures and entertainers with whom they disagree to hush up or get up and stay out of politics are the most likely to elect sports figures and entertainers to political office. I haven’t run a formal tally, but a lot more elected actors, wrestlers and reality show celebrities come to mind on one side of the aisle than the other. 
    XedbaconstangGeorgeBMacrobaba
  • Reply 38 of 50
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,337member
    larryjw said:
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    Politics is imbued everywhere.

    When someone says stay out of politics it means they don't like your political choice
    I was thinking the very same thing. Had he never been DJT’s attorney would this article be considered political ?  I strongly doubt it.  
    baconstang
  • Reply 39 of 50
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,107member
    ilarynx said:
    There is literally no reason for this to be an article on AI.  Because he used the term “iCloud” in his argument?   And the last three paragraphs of the article - general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests - have been covered, ad nauseam, in other pieces.  

    Stay out of politics, please.
    We have very frequently been requested to increase our coverage of Apple as it relates to political matters. In fact, those requests greatly outnumber the times that we have been asked to stop doing so. And, I'm not sure why you're calling this "political" because our coverage on this is not that in any way.

    You'll probably find that the other coverage of this particular matter in other venues exclude "general commentary on Apple’s work with government requests" -- which is the entire point of the matter.


    ...In this country, everyone gets to participate in politics. 
    That might depend on which state in one resides.
    spheric
  • Reply 40 of 50
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member
    I don't believe Signal stores its messages in the cloud.
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