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  • Reply 61 of 143
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    A fresh and significant Covid outbreak is being reported in Southern China this morning, and new shipping delays are expected to be piled on top of the already backed-up port of Guangdong. Just when we think things are getting better. 
    As has become typical, China quickly (in a matter of weeks) recognized the outbreak and brought it under control.
    They continually make the U.S. and its bumbling efforts look farcical.   I guess that's why you hate them.

    China’s new Covid hotspot reports zero new cases for the first time since latest outbreak


    • The southern Chinese city of Guangzhou reported zero new locally transmitted coronavirus cases for the first time since a new cluster of cases cropped up on May 21.
    • The recent uptick in cases prompted local lockdowns, mass testing and threatened to disrupt global trade due to the existence of key shipping hubs in the region.
    • Authorities have also been urging people to get vaccinated in Guangdong province and across China. Over 900 million doses of vaccines have been administered in the country.

    In other news, it was reported that the U.S. had verified COVID cases in December 2019 -- about the same time as China.   That raises the questions of: 

    Why didn't we identify it, notify the world, and start procedures to contain it?   China did.  It took us till March of 2020.
    Is it possible that we spread the virus to China? 

    I know that doesn't support your hate for that country -- but it's something the U.S. needs to reconcile if it is to continue smearing that country without making itself look like foolish hypocrites.

    Some in the U.S. want to send "experts" to China to "investigate" the origins of the virus.
    Perhaps China should send their experts here instead?


  • Reply 62 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    edited June 2021
  • Reply 63 of 143
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,425member
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."

    China has done itself no favors by responding to published facts with belligerence.

  • Reply 64 of 143
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    crowley said:

    Fooled?
    No, I go by facts and reality rather than hate and ideology.
  • Reply 65 of 143
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.
    ...

    Really?  You sure about that?
    Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?

    The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything.  As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.

    No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China.  it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world.   The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.

    The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
  • Reply 66 of 143
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    crowley said:
    The title of the article is a partial side of the story. Both sides are trying to change covid origin story. 
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 67 of 143
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,425member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.
    ...

    Really?  You sure about that?
    Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?

    The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything.  As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.

    No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China.  it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world.   The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.

    The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
    https://www.who.int/news/item/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

    31 Dec 2019

    Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

    1 January 2020

    WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

    4  January 2020

    WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province. 

    5 January 2020

    WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

    10 January 2020

    WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries. 

    Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers. 

    12 January 2020

    China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19. 

    13 January 2020

    Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.  

    14 January 2020

    WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 


    First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
    He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15. 
       
    What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?
    edited June 2021 gatorguy
  • Reply 68 of 143
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,425member
    Not to be a dick, but this just showed up;

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41116/global-concerns-and-questions-grow-as-china-admits-fuel-rods-at-nuclear-plant-are-damaged

    "Global concerns of a possible ecological and geopolitical disaster loom large as China has finally admitted that some of the nuclear fuel rods in its Taishan Nuclear Power Plant are damaged and that radioactive gases are building up inside one of its reactors. The Chinese government announced this week that no abnormal radiation has been detected outside of the plant, however, while a French company that helps operate and jointly owns the facility has claimed the radiation presents an "imminent radiological threat."

    "The security and health concerns stem from a build up of radioactive gasses in the water and steam surrounding the fuel rods in one of the plant’s reactors. According to reports, China has admitted that "about five" of the fuel rods in the reactor are damaged, but the plant is said to be capable of operating safely with up to one quarter of its 600 fuel rods damaged. French nuclear energy company Framatome, owned by Electricity of France (EDF), which controls a stake in the plant and helps operate it, has meanwhile stated the situation is caused by a degradation of the fuel rods' housings within the reactor. "The presence of certain noble gases in the primary circuit is a known phenomenon, studied and provided for in the reactor operating procedures," reads an EDF statement. However, The New York Times reportsthat experts say such build-ups of radioactive gasses are often caused by “poor design, manufacturing, or management.” Based on somewhat conflicting statements, it's unclear how dangerous the situation may currently be in Taishan.

    "
    Taishan is located in Guangdong province in southern China and is close to several major metropolises such as Macau, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, and the major industrial hub of Shenzhen. Obviously, a nuclear accident in the area would cause an immense health crisis. Four of the surrounding cities (Dongguan, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Guangzhou) are among the top 50 most populated cities in the world, with close to 40 million people between them."

    Wonderful...
  • Reply 69 of 143
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.
    ...

    Really?  You sure about that?
    Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?

    The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything.  As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.

    No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China.  it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world.   The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.

    The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
    https://www.who.int/news/item/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

    31 Dec 2019

    Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

    1 January 2020

    WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

    4  January 2020

    WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province. 

    5 January 2020

    WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

    10 January 2020

    WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries. 

    Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers. 

    12 January 2020

    China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19. 

    13 January 2020

    Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.  

    14 January 2020

    WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 


    First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
    He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15. 
       
    What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?

    What do not understand?  The part of that timeline you leave out.

    edited June 2021
  • Reply 70 of 143
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    Not to be a dick, but this just showed up;

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41116/global-concerns-and-questions-grow-as-china-admits-fuel-rods-at-nuclear-plant-are-damaged

    "Global concerns of a possible ecological and geopolitical disaster loom large as China has finally admitted that some of the nuclear fuel rods in its Taishan Nuclear Power Plant are damaged and that radioactive gases are building up inside one of its reactors. The Chinese government announced this week that no abnormal radiation has been detected outside of the plant, however, while a French company that helps operate and jointly owns the facility has claimed the radiation presents an "imminent radiological threat."

    "The security and health concerns stem from a build up of radioactive gasses in the water and steam surrounding the fuel rods in one of the plant’s reactors. According to reports, China has admitted that "about five" of the fuel rods in the reactor are damaged, but the plant is said to be capable of operating safely with up to one quarter of its 600 fuel rods damaged. French nuclear energy company Framatome, owned by Electricity of France (EDF), which controls a stake in the plant and helps operate it, has meanwhile stated the situation is caused by a degradation of the fuel rods' housings within the reactor. "The presence of certain noble gases in the primary circuit is a known phenomenon, studied and provided for in the reactor operating procedures," reads an EDF statement. However, The New York Times reportsthat experts say such build-ups of radioactive gasses are often caused by “poor design, manufacturing, or management.” Based on somewhat conflicting statements, it's unclear how dangerous the situation may currently be in Taishan.

    "
    Taishan is located in Guangdong province in southern China and is close to several major metropolises such as Macau, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, and the major industrial hub of Shenzhen. Obviously, a nuclear accident in the area would cause an immense health crisis. Four of the surrounding cities (Dongguan, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Guangzhou) are among the top 50 most populated cities in the world, with close to 40 million people between them."

    Wonderful...

    Just another dead horse the China haters got all excited about -- before it was shown to be another false story.

    The fact is:  that plant was built by and is partially owned by a French company.  As a third generation plant it is likely safer than most plants in the U.S. which are older second gen plants.
  • Reply 71 of 143
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,425member
    tmay said:
    Not to be a dick, but this just showed up;

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41116/global-concerns-and-questions-grow-as-china-admits-fuel-rods-at-nuclear-plant-are-damaged

    "Global concerns of a possible ecological and geopolitical disaster loom large as China has finally admitted that some of the nuclear fuel rods in its Taishan Nuclear Power Plant are damaged and that radioactive gases are building up inside one of its reactors. The Chinese government announced this week that no abnormal radiation has been detected outside of the plant, however, while a French company that helps operate and jointly owns the facility has claimed the radiation presents an "imminent radiological threat."

    "The security and health concerns stem from a build up of radioactive gasses in the water and steam surrounding the fuel rods in one of the plant’s reactors. According to reports, China has admitted that "about five" of the fuel rods in the reactor are damaged, but the plant is said to be capable of operating safely with up to one quarter of its 600 fuel rods damaged. French nuclear energy company Framatome, owned by Electricity of France (EDF), which controls a stake in the plant and helps operate it, has meanwhile stated the situation is caused by a degradation of the fuel rods' housings within the reactor. "The presence of certain noble gases in the primary circuit is a known phenomenon, studied and provided for in the reactor operating procedures," reads an EDF statement. However, The New York Times reportsthat experts say such build-ups of radioactive gasses are often caused by “poor design, manufacturing, or management.” Based on somewhat conflicting statements, it's unclear how dangerous the situation may currently be in Taishan.

    "Taishan is located in Guangdong province in southern China and is close to several major metropolises such as Macau, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, and the major industrial hub of Shenzhen. Obviously, a nuclear accident in the area would cause an immense health crisis. Four of the surrounding cities (Dongguan, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Guangzhou) are among the top 50 most populated cities in the world, with close to 40 million people between them."

    Wonderful...

    Just another dead horse the China haters got all excited about -- before it was shown to be another false story.

    The fact is:  that plant was built by and is partially owned by a French company.  As a third generation plant it is likely safer than most plants in the U.S. which are older second gen plants.
    It certainly isn't a "false" story, but it is an ongoing one.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-15/nuclear-leak-at-china-s-taishan-plant-isn-t-as-troubling-as-how-it-was-handled

    "Why, then, should anyone care about what happened? The main reason relates to the way the news has emerged. Framatome first reached out to the U.​​​​​​S. Department of Energy last month warning of a potential issue at the plant, according to CNN’s report, adding that a company official described the incident as “an imminent radiological threat to the site and to the public” in a June 8 memo. Meanwhile, China’s regulator, the National Nuclear Safety Administration, or NNSA, was increasing its mandatory limit on noble gas concentrations to keep the leak within safety parameters, according to CNN’s account of the memo; Framatome suspected this was being done to avoid shutting down the reactor."

    Throughout this, the NNSA itself has remained silent. A nuclear safety monitoring website run by China’s Ministry of Ecology and Environment has no records of any problems with Taishan. The plant’s operator, China General Nuclear Power Corp., only said that “environmental indicators” at and around the plant are normal — a wording that doesn’t quite address the within-plant issues that EDF and Framatome are looking at. In both the Chernobyl and Fukushima disasters, the absence of such a culture within government regulators and power utilities was a key contributor to the incidents that followed, according to Najmedin Meshkati, a professor of engineering at the University of Southern California and expert on nuclear safety.

    “The combination of these two things can make or break a nuclear power industry in any country,” he said. The Taishan incident “should be an awakening for China to learn the lessons from Chernobyl and Fukushima, and do some soul-searching.”

    Yet more PRC coverup, and they want us to trust them?


  • Reply 72 of 143
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,425member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.
    ...

    Really?  You sure about that?
    Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?

    The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything.  As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.

    No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China.  it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world.   The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.

    The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
    https://www.who.int/news/item/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

    31 Dec 2019

    Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

    1 January 2020

    WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

    4  January 2020

    WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province. 

    5 January 2020

    WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

    10 January 2020

    WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries. 

    Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers. 

    12 January 2020

    China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19. 

    13 January 2020

    Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.  

    14 January 2020

    WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 


    First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
    He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15. 
       
    What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?

    What do not understand?  The part of that timeline you leave out.

    You seem unable to read the link;

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider.


    Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. The physical examination revealed a body temperature of 37.2°C, blood pressure of 134/87 mm Hg, pulse of 110 beats per minute, respiratory rate of 16 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation of 96% while the patient was breathing ambient air. Lung auscultation revealed rhonchi, and chest radiography was performed, which was reported as showing no abnormalities (Figure 1). A rapid nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT) for influenza A and B was negative. A nasopharyngeal swab specimen was obtained and sent for detection of viral respiratory pathogens by NAAT; this was reported back within 48 hours as negative for all pathogens tested, including influenza A and B, parainfluenza, respiratory syncytial virus, rhinovirus, adenovirus, and four common coronavirus strains known to cause illness in humans (HKU1, NL63, 229E, and OC43).

    Given the patient’s travel history, the local and state health departments were immediately notified. Together with the urgent care clinician, the Washington Department of Health notified the CDC Emergency Operations Center. Although the patient reported that he had not spent time at the Huanan seafood market and reported no known contact with ill persons during his travel to China, CDC staff concurred with the need to test the patient for 2019-nCoV on the basis of current CDC “persons under investigation” case definitions.8 Specimens were collected in accordance with CDC guidance and included serum and nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swab specimens. After specimen collection, the patient was discharged to home isolation with active monitoring by the local health department.

    On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV by real-time reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (rRT-PCR) assay. In coordination with CDC subject-matter experts, state and local health officials, emergency medical services, and hospital leadership and staff, the patient was admitted to an airborne-isolation unit at Providence Regional Medical Center for clinical observation, with health care workers following CDC recommendations for contact, droplet, and airborne precautions with eye protection.9

    It didn't take a year to diagnose that first patient, it took a single day. How you are unable to comprehend that is beyond me. 


    edited June 2021 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 73 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."

    China has done itself no favors by responding to published facts with belligerence.

    Just for clarity, I 100% agree with you.
    tmaymuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 74 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    The title of the article is a partial side of the story. Both sides are trying to change covid origin story. 
    Let's be clear who both sides are:

    Side 1: the independent press and scientific community of the entire world.
    Side 2: the state controlled press and science of the PRC.

    Forgive me if I think one side has more collective credibility than the other.
    gatorguymuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 75 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:

    Fooled?
    No, I go by facts and reality rather than hate and ideology.
    WHAT FACTS?

    Post a fucking fact, with a source.  Just one!
    tmaymuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 76 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.
    ...

    Really?  You sure about that?
    Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?

    The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything.  As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.

    No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China.  it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world.   The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.

    The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
    https://www.who.int/news/item/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

    31 Dec 2019

    Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

    1 January 2020

    WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

    4  January 2020

    WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province. 

    5 January 2020

    WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

    10 January 2020

    WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries. 

    Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers. 

    12 January 2020

    China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19. 

    13 January 2020

    Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.  

    14 January 2020

    WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens. 


    First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
    He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15. 
       
    What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?

    What do not understand?  The part of that timeline you leave out.

    WHAT PART?

    What was left out?  Post it, with a source!
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 77 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Holy smokes George, I can can get that you may have been lead astray or convinced by the news you read, but even in your own warped world if you want to convince us then you're going to have to try.  Tell us something, ANYTHING other than diatribe.

    If you can't do that then you're just another loud mouth on the internet.  A moron.  Please prove me wrong, show me that you have something to back up your words.  An actual fact.  An actual news source.  Just one.
    tmaymuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 78 of 143
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,425member
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.

    It absolutely did not originate in the U.S.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

    "On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."

    China has done itself no favors by responding to published facts with belligerence.

    Just for clarity, I 100% agree with you.
    Just backing you up on your arguments as well. 

    Whack a Mole is a lot of effort, but just too much propaganda from those two.
  • Reply 79 of 143
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    Not to be a dick, but this just showed up;

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/41116/global-concerns-and-questions-grow-as-china-admits-fuel-rods-at-nuclear-plant-are-damaged

    "Global concerns of a possible ecological and geopolitical disaster loom large as China has finally admitted that some of the nuclear fuel rods in its Taishan Nuclear Power Plant are damaged and that radioactive gases are building up inside one of its reactors. The Chinese government announced this week that no abnormal radiation has been detected outside of the plant, however, while a French company that helps operate and jointly owns the facility has claimed the radiation presents an "imminent radiological threat."

    "The security and health concerns stem from a build up of radioactive gasses in the water and steam surrounding the fuel rods in one of the plant’s reactors. According to reports, China has admitted that "about five" of the fuel rods in the reactor are damaged, but the plant is said to be capable of operating safely with up to one quarter of its 600 fuel rods damaged. French nuclear energy company Framatome, owned by Electricity of France (EDF), which controls a stake in the plant and helps operate it, has meanwhile stated the situation is caused by a degradation of the fuel rods' housings within the reactor. "The presence of certain noble gases in the primary circuit is a known phenomenon, studied and provided for in the reactor operating procedures," reads an EDF statement. However, The New York Times reportsthat experts say such build-ups of radioactive gasses are often caused by “poor design, manufacturing, or management.” Based on somewhat conflicting statements, it's unclear how dangerous the situation may currently be in Taishan.

    "Taishan is located in Guangdong province in southern China and is close to several major metropolises such as Macau, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, and the major industrial hub of Shenzhen. Obviously, a nuclear accident in the area would cause an immense health crisis. Four of the surrounding cities (Dongguan, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Guangzhou) are among the top 50 most populated cities in the world, with close to 40 million people between them."

    Wonderful...

    Just another dead horse the China haters got all excited about -- before it was shown to be another false story.

    The fact is:  that plant was built by and is partially owned by a French company.  As a third generation plant it is likely safer than most plants in the U.S. which are older second gen plants.
    The migration of seventeen elephants is far more interesting!
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 80 of 143
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    crowley said:
    Holy smokes George, I can can get that you may have been lead astray or convinced by the news you read, but even in your own warped world if you want to convince us then you're going to have to try.  Tell us something, ANYTHING other than diatribe.

    If you can't do that then you're just another loud mouth on the internet.  A moron.  Please prove me wrong, show me that you have something to back up your words.  An actual fact.  An actual news source.  Just one.
    George can tell the elephant story. 
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