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  • Reply 21 of 79
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

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  • Reply 22 of 79
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

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  • Reply 23 of 79
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


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  • Reply 24 of 79
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
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  • Reply 25 of 79
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
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  • Reply 26 of 79
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
    Why you believe in George citizenship. The only difference between him and me on China matters is my race. 
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  • Reply 27 of 79
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
    Why you believe in George citizenship. The only difference between him and me on China matters is my race. 
    Ask your UFWD handlers to give you a backstory that's plausible for a U.S. Citizen. I'm sure I'll fall for that. /s
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  • Reply 28 of 79
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
    Why you believe in George citizenship. The only difference between him and me on China matters is my race. 
    Ask your UFWD handlers to give you a backstory that's plausible for a U.S. Citizen. I'm sure I'll fall for that. /s
    You are a liar. US is a nation that liar is not responsible for lies because of free speech. This is why you can keep lying and have many supporters in this forum. 
    edited August 2021
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  • Reply 29 of 79
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

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    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.

    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.  
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back.
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
    Why you believe in George citizenship. The only difference between him and me on China matters is my race. 
    Ask your UFWD handlers to give you a backstory that's plausible for a U.S. Citizen. I'm sure I'll fall for that. /s
    You are a liar. US is a nation that liar does not need to pay. This is why you can keep lying and have many supporters in this forum. 
    LOL!

    Work on your backstory. Really.

    It's actually called Libel, and there are laws that protect people from that, even non-citizens. Collecting damages from me would require you to file in Court, and demonstrate that I had caused you injury to your name, reputation, et al.
    What are the 5 basic elements of libel?
    Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements: the plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.
    You can't/aren't able to be directly identified from your forum moniker, so almost certainly Libel is a non-starter.

    You will need to provide proof of U.S. Citizenship. 

    Buy Bye!
    edited August 2021
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  • Reply 32 of 79
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
    Why you believe in George citizenship. The only difference between him and me on China matters is my race. 
    Ask your UFWD handlers to give you a backstory that's plausible for a U.S. Citizen. I'm sure I'll fall for that. /s
    You are a liar. US is a nation that liar does not need to pay. This is why you can keep lying and have many supporters in this forum. 
    LOL!

    Work on your backstory. Really.

    It's actually called Libel, and there are laws that protect people from that, even non-citizens. Collecting damages from me would require you to file in Court, and demonstrate that I had caused you injury to your name, reputation, et al.
    What are the 5 basic elements of libel?
    Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements: the plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.
    You can't/aren't able to be directly identified from your forum moniker, so almost certainly Libel is a non-starter.

    You will need to provide proof of U.S. Citizenship. 

    Buy Bye!
    You admit this is why you have no fear of lying. I should give you credit for this affidavit. 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

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  • Reply 34 of 79
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

    It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question? 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

    It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question? 
    The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.

    If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from it. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Actually, the argument today is "what is the origin of SARS-COVID 19", and why won't the PRC allow an independent investigation to determine that origin? 

    As for you PRC propaganda wrt to Ft Detrick;

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html

    In 2019, there wasn't "sufficient systems in place to decontaminate waste water", but there was no accident.

    The PRC is attempting to cast the U.S. as the origin of the SARS-COVID 19. That propaganda works in China, but it isn't working for the rest of the world.

    How's life in the PRC today?




    WHO has investigated twice in China. Why China would not allow unobstructed investigation? Because the notorious scandal engaged by the western world in the WMD in Iraq. UN searched for WMD for several years and found nothing. Then someone alleged it maybe inside the palace. What a joke! But there are people like you believe it. After US invasion of Iraq, they searched unabstructively and still found nothin. So the western world is engaged in lying. No one apologized for the lies. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis died. Politics is dirty. Similar thing is happening in the Jan 6. investigation. Why Republicans would not allow unobstructed investigation? For the same reason.
    Ft. Derrick Lab is a bioweapon lab. What kind of weapons it is doing? It is a national security secret. This is the single reason US government would not allow any foreign organization to see inside. All the personnel working inside need top security clearance. Wuhan virology lab is totally different. It is very open. The scientists publish their work in world journals. Western scientists have been working there all the time. Why do you continue to believe in western anti-China people especially the Republicans disregarding these truths? George is very right about you. You have no common sense of right and wrong.
    LOL!

    I didn't believe WMD was in Iraq, at least in any quantity, and I didn't believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Lab, though there is still a possibility of that. I do question why the PRC is so adamant about disallowing further investigation, given that the PRC was never forthcoming on the previous investigations. Afraid that an independent investigation will turn up something?

    No matter.

    The West grows tired of Xi Jinping and the PRC's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy", and that has created a environment for strengthened alliances among the West. 

    Sadly for the PRC, their expectation of surpassing the U.S. as an economic superpower is waning, albeit the West still faces the PRC's militarization. Still, it isn't like the West isn't aware of that, and acting to strengthen alliances, including with Taiwan.
    Cuomo guilty or innocent? LOL
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/nyregion/roberta-kaplan-times-up-cuomo.html
    Not sure what you are about, but China is not known for treating women all that great. You might want to take a pass on your usual  PRC whataboutism.

    As for Cuomo's guilt or innocence, that is a legal question, but the court of public opinion already gave him a thumb's down.

    Meanwhile, Xi Jinping has to keep consolidating his power;

    https://jamestown.org/program/early-warning-brief-xi-jinping-issues-tough-warnings-to-enemies-within-the-party/

    While President Xi Jinping’s position as the most powerful politician in China seems beyond doubt, he has been busy quashing apparently growing dissent within the mid- to upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Widely recognized as the CCP’s “leadership core for life,” Xi, who is also CCP General Secretary and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), has issued a series of unusually tough warnings against real and potential foes. This is despite the fact that although the party is riven with rival factions that may either disagree with Xi’s policies or his overweening personal ambitions (Liberty Times, February 19; Rfi.fr, June 30), there does not seem to be a unified movement against his iron rule.
    An Authoritarian's primary goal is staying in power...

    Do you believe China did this?

    Chinese thermostats changed votes in 2020 election?

    Jeffrey Clark, a Justice Department official appointed by former President Donald Trump, told senior officials that China used thermostats to change ballots in the 2020 presidential election.

    In a recently released email originally sent December 2020, Clark asked his superiors - including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and deputy Richard Donoghue - to look into "foreign election interference issues."

    Clark claimed hackers had evidence that "a Dominion machine accessed the Internet through a smart thermostat with a net connection trail leading back to China."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeffrey-clark-trump-appointed-doj-112656475.html

    Your idea of a Rorschach Test, I suppose. Fail.

    Oh wait. You're the moron that lied to me about being U.S. Citizen.

    You aren't allowed to question Xi Jinping's authority, so I'm happy to do that for you.


    Would you pay if you lied about my US citizenship? 
    LOL!

    Keep on believe'n!
    Why you believe in George citizenship. The only difference between him and me on China matters is my race. 
    Ask your UFWD handlers to give you a backstory that's plausible for a U.S. Citizen. I'm sure I'll fall for that. /s
    You are a liar. US is a nation that liar does not need to pay. This is why you can keep lying and have many supporters in this forum. 
    LOL!

    Work on your backstory. Really.

    It's actually called Libel, and there are laws that protect people from that, even non-citizens. Collecting damages from me would require you to file in Court, and demonstrate that I had caused you injury to your name, reputation, et al.
    What are the 5 basic elements of libel?
    Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements: the plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.
    You can't/aren't able to be directly identified from your forum moniker, so almost certainly Libel is a non-starter.

    You will need to provide proof of U.S. Citizenship. 

    Buy Bye!
    You admit this is why you have no fear of lying. I should give you credit for this affidavit. 
    You need to learn more about the U.S. legal system. It's not like the pseudo legal system that the PRC has, that you have grown up with.
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    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

    It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question? 
    The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.

    If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
    It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
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  • Reply 38 of 79
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

    It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question? 
    The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.

    If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
    It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
    Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.

    Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
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  • Reply 39 of 79
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

    It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question? 
    The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.

    If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
    It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
    Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.

    Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
    Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei. 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,470member
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    red oak said:
    Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China.    Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word?     No, they won’t.   And it would be be so hypocritical 


    What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.?  Would you say one word?  No, you won't.  And it would be so hypocritical.
    There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00502-4

    Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?

    Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.

    Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.

    Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.


    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

    As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
    Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.


    Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree? 
    Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus.   So, did we give it to China or did they give it us?   Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.

    But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now.  We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.

    One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.

    Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
     
    They aren't stupid.  They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and  ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial. 

    China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns.   They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued.  So, China is pushing back.   
    ...  But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
    Yeah, that must be it.  /s

    It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question? 
    The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.

    If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
    It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
    Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.

    Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
    Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei. 
    Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
    muthuk_vanalingam
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