Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
Virus can not be circulating earlier without an outbreak. There are over 200 million infections in the world since then. There is a 14 day period. An infected people either develop a symptom or is healed. A healed person does not have virus to infect others. The chain of transmission just stopped. An infected people without symptom can infect more people than the sick people. Your hypothesis is against science.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
Virus can not be circulating earlier without an outbreak. There are over 200 million infections in the world since then. There is a 14 day period. An infected people either develop a symptom or is healed. A healed person does not have virus to infect others. The chain of transmission just stopped. An infected people without symptom can infect more people than the sick people. Your hypothesis is against science.
I didn't know that you were an expert on virology. I stand corrected. /s
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
Virus can not be circulating earlier without an outbreak. There are over 200 million infections in the world since then. There is a 14 day period. An infected people either develop a symptom or is healed. A healed person does not have virus to infect others. The chain of transmission just stopped. An infected people without symptom can infect more people than the sick people. Your hypothesis is against science.
I didn't know that you were an expert on virology. I stand corrected. /s
I am a scientist. To understand virology is no problem. There are Republican congressperson, intelligent people, national security people all pretend they have large evidence of Wuhan lab. A Republican senator argued repeatedly with US infectious disease chief about the origin of virus. Compared to them, I am vastly more knowledgeable.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
Virus can not be circulating earlier without an outbreak. There are over 200 million infections in the world since then. There is a 14 day period. An infected people either develop a symptom or is healed. A healed person does not have virus to infect others. The chain of transmission just stopped. An infected people without symptom can infect more people than the sick people. Your hypothesis is against science.
I didn't know that you were an expert on virology. I stand corrected. /s
I am a scientist. To understand virology is no problem. There are Republican congressperson, intelligent people, national security people all pretend they have large evidence of Wuhan lab. A Republican senator argued repeatedly with US infectious disease chief about the origin of virus. Compared to them, I am vastly more knowledgeable.
LOL.
So you don't see that testing blood samples for SARS-COVID 19 taken in the Hubei Province months before the virus was "discovered" has a scientific benefit to finding the origin?
I suppose if you don't want to actually find the origin, that would be the way to guarantee not finding it.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
Virus can not be circulating earlier without an outbreak. There are over 200 million infections in the world since then. There is a 14 day period. An infected people either develop a symptom or is healed. A healed person does not have virus to infect others. The chain of transmission just stopped. An infected people without symptom can infect more people than the sick people. Your hypothesis is against science.
I didn't know that you were an expert on virology. I stand corrected. /s
I am a scientist. To understand virology is no problem. There are Republican congressperson, intelligent people, national security people all pretend they have large evidence of Wuhan lab. A Republican senator argued repeatedly with US infectious disease chief about the origin of virus. Compared to them, I am vastly more knowledgeable.
LOL.
So you don't see that testing blood samples for SARS-COVID 19 taken in the Hubei Province months before the virus was "discovered" has a scientific benefit to finding the origin?
I suppose if you don't want to actually find the origin, that would be the way to guarantee not finding it.
There is no world class virologist think so. Finding the origin takes time. It took several years to find SARS origin.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
So, you claim to be fact based but dismiss any fact that exposes your hatred of China to be a sham.
According to you: "It had to be in China first because I hate China". Got it.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
So, you claim to be fact based but dismiss any fact that exposes your hatred of China to be a sham.
According to you: "It had to be in China first because I hate China". Got it.
LOL!
I love how you so casually dismiss science. You're fine noting that there were a very few cases of COVID 19 found in testing blood samples in the U.S. the occurred in late November, but you don't acknowledge that China needs to look through its blood samples even earlier to see when the first case(s) of COVID 19 ceccured in the Hubei Province. Recall that China had deaths attributed to COVID 19 months before any in the U.S., implying that COVID 19 had been circulating even earlier than November in China.
What are you so afraid of? That China will be determined absolutely to be the source? That is an accurate assumption already. No wonder the world is losing patience with China.
It's true that China has used it's authoritarianism, again, and again, to lockdown it's citizens, including even today, and the U.S. has a large number of anti-vaxxers to contend with, but it is also true that China's vaccine efficacy hover's around 50%, meaning that their vaccinated population is much less protected, especially the Delta Variant, than ours, where the vaccines are over 90% efficacy. China really only has lockdowns to mitigate the spread, and it is in fact hurting their economy as well.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
WASHINGTON—U.S. lawmakers and Biden administration officials are stepping up pressure on American businesses to stop imports from the Western Chinese region of Xinjiang as Beijing’s alleged use of forced labor emerges as a top item on their bilateral trade agenda.
Western officials say the Chinese government uses forced labor of Uyghur and other Muslim minorities in Xinjiang, the world’s leading producer of cotton and raw materials used in solar panels. Beijing strongly denies the claim.
Imports of cotton and tomato products have already been effectively banned since January, and penalties on purchases of some solar materials were implemented in June.
Tougher restrictions are afoot. Congress is expected to approve legislation later this year that would prohibit imports of all products from Xinjiang unless the importer can prove their items are free of forced labor—a high bar.
The Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act passed the Senate by unanimous consent last month and is awaiting approval by the House, which passed a similar bill by a wide bipartisan vote last year.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
So, you claim to be fact based but dismiss any fact that exposes your hatred of China to be a sham.
According to you: "It had to be in China first because I hate China". Got it.
LOL!
I love how you so casually dismiss science. You're fine noting that there were a very few cases of COVID 19 found in testing blood samples in the U.S. the occurred in late November, but you don't acknowledge that China needs to look through its blood samples even earlier to see when the first case(s) of COVID 19 ceccured in the Hubei Province. Recall that China had deaths attributed to COVID 19 months before any in the U.S., implying that COVID 19 had been circulating even earlier than November in China.
What are you so afraid of? That China will be determined absolutely to be the source? That is an accurate assumption already. No wonder the world is losing patience with China.
It's true that China has used it's authoritarianism, again, and again, to lockdown it's citizens, including even today, and the U.S. has a large number of anti-vaxxers to contend with, but it is also true that China's vaccine efficacy hover's around 50%, meaning that their vaccinated population is much less protected, especially the Delta Variant, than ours, where the vaccines are over 90% efficacy. China really only has lockdowns to mitigate the spread, and it is in fact hurting their economy as well.
LOL... You apparently don't realize that hate and science are two very different things.
Your argument that China needs to be investigated because the U.S. discovered the virus was circulating here in 2019 is somewhere between laughable and pitiful. And, because China identified it, took action and announced it to the world before we even knew it was circulating here, to you, means: "Blame China".
So is that hate driven delusion of yours pitiful or laughable? I'm leaning towards pitiful
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
This is manipulation of logic and disregard US government has been doing since Trump was elected in 2016. US government has never encouraged businesses to invest in China since diplomatic relation was established in 1979 over forty years ago. As an American, how come you don't know this fact? Where have you been since 2016. Oh, yes! You have busy reading all anti-China propaganda. LOL
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
This is manipulation of logic and disregard US government has been doing since Trump was elected in 2016. US government has never encouraged businesses to invest in China since diplomatic relation was established in 1979 over forty years ago. As an American, how come you don't know this fact? Where have you been since 2016. Oh, yes! You have busy reading all anti-China propaganda. LOL
You're an idiot;
Here's an example that demonstrates that you are entirely clueless;
Today, with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force's ranks getting filled with indigenous J-10 multirole fighters, as well as increasing numbers of J-20 stealth fighters, the older Shenyang J-8 Finback fighter jet is increasingly a relic of a bygone era for the service. While the domestically-produced J-8 was built in multiple versions, the Chinese had already supplemented it with Russian-made Su-27 Flankers as soon as they could. However, for a time, the story of the mighty Finback looked set to be very different, thanks to the involvement of the U.S. defense giant Grumman.
The story of Grumman’s involvement in the Chinese J-8 fighter program dates back to the normalization of Sino-U.S. relations back in 1979. That year, the U.S. government recognized Beijing, and not Taipei, as the legitimate Chinese capital, and a new period of diplomatic and trade relationships was established. This new reality also impacted the global arms market and China began purchasing weapons from U.S. firms, with official State Department approval. It’s for this reason that, even today, the People’s Liberation Army still operates a number of Sikorsky S-70 Black Hawk utility helicopters, for example
For the record, Ivanka Trump had a number of business operations in China during her "daddy's" presidency, and still does.
I'm happy that your stuck in the PRC, where you fit in.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
It would not answer the question if the virus was brought in from outside. How would you resolve this question?
The PRC has had 20 months to figure out where it originated, and they have not acknowledged that origin yet. It's likely that they never will.
If you are postulating that the virus came from outside China, then the PRC would still have to determine an origin within China. Then they would have to determine a plausible connection made from outside China. That hasn't happened.
It could be originated from Italy. Blood samples showed that antibody as early as October, 2019.
Then it should be easy to test blood samples in the Hubei Province to find out when SARS-COVID 19 shows up.
Oh, wait. That would require an independent investigation that the PRC won't allow.
Italy found the antibody as early as October 2019. There is little value gained testing Hubei.
Little value only if the PRC is afraid of what they will find has been circulating earlier than that. Science requires that testing be done on blood samples taken much earlier than symptomatic cases, if finding the actual origin is the goal
So, you claim to be fact based but dismiss any fact that exposes your hatred of China to be a sham.
According to you: "It had to be in China first because I hate China". Got it.
LOL!
I love how you so casually dismiss science. You're fine noting that there were a very few cases of COVID 19 found in testing blood samples in the U.S. the occurred in late November, but you don't acknowledge that China needs to look through its blood samples even earlier to see when the first case(s) of COVID 19 ceccured in the Hubei Province. Recall that China had deaths attributed to COVID 19 months before any in the U.S., implying that COVID 19 had been circulating even earlier than November in China.
What are you so afraid of? That China will be determined absolutely to be the source? That is an accurate assumption already. No wonder the world is losing patience with China.
It's true that China has used it's authoritarianism, again, and again, to lockdown it's citizens, including even today, and the U.S. has a large number of anti-vaxxers to contend with, but it is also true that China's vaccine efficacy hover's around 50%, meaning that their vaccinated population is much less protected, especially the Delta Variant, than ours, where the vaccines are over 90% efficacy. China really only has lockdowns to mitigate the spread, and it is in fact hurting their economy as well.
LOL... You apparently don't realize that hate and science are two very different things.
Your argument that China needs to be investigated because the U.S. discovered the virus was circulating here in 2019 is somewhere between laughable and pitiful. And, because China identified it, took action and announced it to the world before we even knew it was circulating here, to you, means: "Blame China".
So is that hate driven delusion of yours pitiful or laughable? I'm leaning towards pitiful
When you trained to be a "psychiatric nurse" did you even have to attend any biology classes?
This is basic. China had unidentified symptomatic cases of what would be known later as SARS-COVID 19, months before those few asymptomatic cases occurred in the U.S, discovered only after testing older blood samples after the pandemic was in full swing. China hasn't provided the same testing to rule out SARS-COVID 19 circulating in late summer of 2019 .
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
This is manipulation of logic and disregard US government has been doing since Trump was elected in 2016. US government has never encouraged businesses to invest in China since diplomatic relation was established in 1979 over forty years ago. As an American, how come you don't know this fact? Where have you been since 2016. Oh, yes! You have busy reading all anti-China propaganda. LOL
You're an idiot;
Here's an example that demonstrates that you are entirely clueless;
Today, with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force's ranks getting filled with indigenous J-10 multirole fighters, as well as increasing numbers of J-20 stealth fighters, the older Shenyang J-8 Finback fighter jet is increasingly a relic of a bygone era for the service. While the domestically-produced J-8 was built in multiple versions, the Chinese had already supplemented it with Russian-made Su-27 Flankers as soon as they could. However, for a time, the story of the mighty Finback looked set to be very different, thanks to the involvement of the U.S. defense giant Grumman.
The story of Grumman’s involvement in the Chinese J-8 fighter program dates back to the normalization of Sino-U.S. relations back in 1979. That year, the U.S. government recognized Beijing, and not Taipei, as the legitimate Chinese capital, and a new period of diplomatic and trade relationships was established. This new reality also impacted the global arms market and China began purchasing weapons from U.S. firms, with official State Department approval. It’s for this reason that, even today, the People’s Liberation Army still operates a number of Sikorsky S-70 Black Hawk utility helicopters, for example
For the record, Ivanka Trump had a number of business operations in China during her "daddy's" presidency, and still does.
I'm happy that your stuck in the PRC, where you fit in.
This does not disprove my point that US government never encouraged businesses to invest in China. Grumman made money from China. To keep making money it worked with China. Apple is in the same situation. Apple almost went bankrupt in 1997. It found manufacturing in China enabled it to lower its cost to fight the Wintel monopoly.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
This is manipulation of logic and disregard US government has been doing since Trump was elected in 2016. US government has never encouraged businesses to invest in China since diplomatic relation was established in 1979 over forty years ago. As an American, how come you don't know this fact? Where have you been since 2016. Oh, yes! You have busy reading all anti-China propaganda. LOL
You're an idiot;
Here's an example that demonstrates that you are entirely clueless;
Today, with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force's ranks getting filled with indigenous J-10 multirole fighters, as well as increasing numbers of J-20 stealth fighters, the older Shenyang J-8 Finback fighter jet is increasingly a relic of a bygone era for the service. While the domestically-produced J-8 was built in multiple versions, the Chinese had already supplemented it with Russian-made Su-27 Flankers as soon as they could. However, for a time, the story of the mighty Finback looked set to be very different, thanks to the involvement of the U.S. defense giant Grumman.
The story of Grumman’s involvement in the Chinese J-8 fighter program dates back to the normalization of Sino-U.S. relations back in 1979. That year, the U.S. government recognized Beijing, and not Taipei, as the legitimate Chinese capital, and a new period of diplomatic and trade relationships was established. This new reality also impacted the global arms market and China began purchasing weapons from U.S. firms, with official State Department approval. It’s for this reason that, even today, the People’s Liberation Army still operates a number of Sikorsky S-70 Black Hawk utility helicopters, for example
For the record, Ivanka Trump had a number of business operations in China during her "daddy's" presidency, and still does.
I'm happy that your stuck in the PRC, where you fit in.
This does not disprove my point that US government never encouraged businesses to invest in China. Grumman made money from China. To keep making money it worked with China. Apple is in the same situation. Apple almost went bankrupt in 1997. It found manufacturing in China enabled it to lower its cost to fight the Wintel monopoly.
You seem unaware of Tiananmen Square, which quickly reversed the U.S. position on China in 1989.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
This is manipulation of logic and disregard US government has been doing since Trump was elected in 2016. US government has never encouraged businesses to invest in China since diplomatic relation was established in 1979 over forty years ago. As an American, how come you don't know this fact? Where have you been since 2016. Oh, yes! You have busy reading all anti-China propaganda. LOL
You're an idiot;
Here's an example that demonstrates that you are entirely clueless;
Today, with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force's ranks getting filled with indigenous J-10 multirole fighters, as well as increasing numbers of J-20 stealth fighters, the older Shenyang J-8 Finback fighter jet is increasingly a relic of a bygone era for the service. While the domestically-produced J-8 was built in multiple versions, the Chinese had already supplemented it with Russian-made Su-27 Flankers as soon as they could. However, for a time, the story of the mighty Finback looked set to be very different, thanks to the involvement of the U.S. defense giant Grumman.
The story of Grumman’s involvement in the Chinese J-8 fighter program dates back to the normalization of Sino-U.S. relations back in 1979. That year, the U.S. government recognized Beijing, and not Taipei, as the legitimate Chinese capital, and a new period of diplomatic and trade relationships was established. This new reality also impacted the global arms market and China began purchasing weapons from U.S. firms, with official State Department approval. It’s for this reason that, even today, the People’s Liberation Army still operates a number of Sikorsky S-70 Black Hawk utility helicopters, for example
For the record, Ivanka Trump had a number of business operations in China during her "daddy's" presidency, and still does.
I'm happy that your stuck in the PRC, where you fit in.
This does not disprove my point that US government never encouraged businesses to invest in China. Grumman made money from China. To keep making money it worked with China. Apple is in the same situation. Apple almost went bankrupt in 1997. It found manufacturing in China enabled it to lower its cost to fight the Wintel monopoly.
You seem unaware of Tiananmen Square, which quickly reversed the U.S. position on China in 1989.
Are you an American? You are not able to distinguish US companies and US government.
Suppose it does come out that the virus was man made by China. Would Apple, who has become so politically correct, say one word? No, they won’t. And it would be be so hypocritical
What if it comes out that the virus came from the U.S.? Would you say one word? No, you won't. And it would be so hypocritical.
There is zero evidence that the SARS-COVID 19 virus originated in the U.S.
Was the virus spreading in people outside China before December 2019?
Answering this question is also key to establishing the timeline of the first COVID-19 cases. Previously, researchers in Europe have reported1,2,3 finding antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in samples taken at blood banks from November 2019 onwards.
Ben Embarek says this doesn’t necessarily suggest the virus originated in Europe, but supports the idea that it was spreading in Wuhan before the first known cases. “Wuhan at that time was a very well-connected international city with direct flights to the entire planet on a daily basis. So if it was circulating in Wuhan, it could easily have been brought to other parts of the world through travellers, and circulating again, undetected, in different regions,” he says.
Still, he recommends that the blood samples from Europe be retested to confirm that they indicate cases of COVID-19. Some of them, from Italy and France, are already being reanalysed, he says.
As scientists with relevant expertise, we agree with the WHO director-general (5), the United States and 13 other countries (6), and the European Union (7) that greater clarity about the origins of this pandemic is necessary and feasible to achieve. We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data. A proper investigation should be transparent, objective, data-driven, inclusive of broad expertise, subject to independent oversight, and responsibly managed to minimize the impact of conflicts of interest. Public health agencies and research laboratories alike need to open their records to the public. Investigators should document the veracity and provenance of data from which analyses are conducted and conclusions drawn, so that analyses are reproducible by independent experts.
Needless to say, China would resort to official propaganda blaming the Ft. Detrick Laboratory in the U.S., rather than allow the World to investigate the origin of SARS-COVID 19.
Gain of function is pioneered in the western world. In other words, western scientists have been doing this kind of experiment all the time. Covid-19 may not be originated from Ft. Derrick Laboratory. But this lab must be doing similar experiment. There was an accident in the lab early in 2019. Why US government does not allow inspection in the lab? The argument for rein spection of the Wuhan lab is to prevent another pandemic in the future. I think this argument should be applied to all the virus labs in the world. Don't you agree?
Blood work from U.S. patients taken in 2019 show they were infected with the virus. So, did we give it to China or did they give it us? Or, most likely, did a third country give it to both of us.
But, because of politics, both countries will continue pointing fingers at each other rather than seeking the truth -- which, frankly is a moot point right now. We should be focused on eradicating the virus rather than a grade school squabble over who pushed who.
One of the expectations of a new and independent investigation in China would be for China to provide PCR testing of all their blood work taken in the Hubei Province from August thru November, and perhaps even earlier, to determine how long the SARS-COVID 19 had been circulating in China. It's a certainty that testing would show SARS-COVID 19 circulating much earlier than those few samples found in the rest of the world, including the U.S.
Given that Wuhan has airline connections to most of the world, it wouldn't be unexpected to find SARS-COVID 19 outside of China, but it would also be the case that these variants would be derivatives of the original variant, hence why the investigation must test those blood samples in the Hubei Province.
They aren't stupid. They know those pushing for a second investigation are only looking for a way to further their political and ideological agenda -- and any further investigation would be neither transparent or impartial.
China's "Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" is merely a reaction to U.S. smear campaigns. They tried ignoring the smears, but they continued. So, China is pushing back.
... But, as usual, the playground bully throws a hissy fit when his victim hits back
Yeah, that must be it. /s
So, you make no secret of the fact that the only reason you China haters are pushing continued investigations is to smear China.
It's been our "strategy" since the beginning: instead of protecting our people and economy we smeared China.
It is why the virus ran rampant through the U.S.: we have been running on delusion instead of fact. Delusion that sucked in gullible people like you: "Hey! Fool! Look Over There!"
Meanwhile, China managed the virus well, never had massive deaths from it and it caused only short blip in their economy.
Here, we will likely never fully recover from it economically. The young people with massive student loans will also be saddled with massive federal debt.
Ironically, China is in a worse economic position than the U.S. because our vaccines have a high efficacy, and the U.S. is already recovering.
Stronger recoveries from the Covid-19 pandemic in the US, the UK and other rich western countries will result in faster than expected growth for the global economy this year, the International Monetary Fund has predicted.
The Washington-based IMF’s half-yearly World Economic Outlook (WEO) said successful vaccine programmes, businesses adapting to the challenges of lockdown and Joe Biden’s $1.9tn (£1.4tn) stimulus package had been key factors in the upgrade.
After contracting by 3.3% in 2020, the IMF said the world economy would now grow by 6% in 2021 and a further 4.4% in 2022. The last WEO in October had predicted expansion of 5.2% in 2021 and 4.2% in 2022. The October forecast for 2021 was later upgraded to 5.5% growth in January this year.
Many observers look at China and see its leadership playing a masterful game. They see China refusing to bend its policies to fit global norms and successfully going its own way. The reality is that Beijing has tried to bend repeatedly under President Xi Jinping but has almost broken each time and has had to fall back on its old ways—which are not succeeding. The quantity and the quality of China’s growth (looking past the anomalies of the pandemic period) have both deteriorated. And unless the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party finds its way back to the path of economic liberalization, China’s future will look very different from the rosy picture the CCP paints.
The urgency of reform is a happy result of China’s rise to middle-income status from the extreme poverty it experienced just a few decades ago. It is nothing to be ashamed of. But the applause that China has earned for its economic successes will subside if Xi fails to tolerate policy debate and accept more constrained political ambitions that admit the limits of the CCP’s capabilities.
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
This is manipulation of logic and disregard US government has been doing since Trump was elected in 2016. US government has never encouraged businesses to invest in China since diplomatic relation was established in 1979 over forty years ago. As an American, how come you don't know this fact? Where have you been since 2016. Oh, yes! You have busy reading all anti-China propaganda. LOL
You're an idiot;
Here's an example that demonstrates that you are entirely clueless;
Today, with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force's ranks getting filled with indigenous J-10 multirole fighters, as well as increasing numbers of J-20 stealth fighters, the older Shenyang J-8 Finback fighter jet is increasingly a relic of a bygone era for the service. While the domestically-produced J-8 was built in multiple versions, the Chinese had already supplemented it with Russian-made Su-27 Flankers as soon as they could. However, for a time, the story of the mighty Finback looked set to be very different, thanks to the involvement of the U.S. defense giant Grumman.
The story of Grumman’s involvement in the Chinese J-8 fighter program dates back to the normalization of Sino-U.S. relations back in 1979. That year, the U.S. government recognized Beijing, and not Taipei, as the legitimate Chinese capital, and a new period of diplomatic and trade relationships was established. This new reality also impacted the global arms market and China began purchasing weapons from U.S. firms, with official State Department approval. It’s for this reason that, even today, the People’s Liberation Army still operates a number of Sikorsky S-70 Black Hawk utility helicopters, for example
For the record, Ivanka Trump had a number of business operations in China during her "daddy's" presidency, and still does.
I'm happy that your stuck in the PRC, where you fit in.
This does not disprove my point that US government never encouraged businesses to invest in China. Grumman made money from China. To keep making money it worked with China. Apple is in the same situation. Apple almost went bankrupt in 1997. It found manufacturing in China enabled it to lower its cost to fight the Wintel monopoly.
You seem unaware of Tiananmen Square, which quickly reversed the U.S. position on China in 1989.
Are you an American? You are not able to distinguish US companies and US government.
On the afternoon of Saturday, June 3, 1989, in the midst of my weekend routine in suburban Washington, I received a phone call from Pei Minxin, who was then a graduate student in the United States at Harvard. He called to say that he was receiving panicked reports from Beijing that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime was engaged in a violent crackdown of public protests in Beijing, in order to end the occupation of Tiananmen Square. Minxin, who now teaches at Claremont University, had contacted me because I worked on the staff of the Asia Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Indeed, he had testified at a subcommittee hearing on the unrest in China only weeks before.
Minxin hoped that I could do something to generate a U.S. government response to the carnage that was underway. Sadly, there was nothing that I or any other American could do, since the Chinese leadership had embarked on the path of suppression weeks before. Where I did play a modest role was in the congressional response to the Tiananmen tragedy.
THE VIEW FROM CAPITOL HILL
Members of Congress and the American public were exposed to this critical episode in modern Chinese history because of television. It happened that Mikhail Gorbachev was scheduled to visit China in mid-May for a summit with Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, so the three broadcast networks were already deployed to cover that story and then found themselves in the middle of a much more exciting event. Tiananmen provided the debut for Ted Turner’s Cable News Network (CNN) and its 24/7 approach to covering the world. American journalism would never be the same. The image of a young man standing in front of an army tank remains iconic to this day.
The crackdown a few days later changed congressional attitudes about China. The most disturbed were liberal members who had believed that China’s economic opening and the gradual relaxation of the CCP’s grip over Chinese society would slowly and ultimately lead to positive political change. Conversely, conservatives were not surprised at all. Tiananmen was proof-positive of their belief that the communist regime was still a repressive dictatorship. What had changed was the CCP’s willingness to display its true nature for all to see.
Congress quickly looked for ways to respond to the shock and horror that Tiananmen produced. It felt that the George H. W. Bush administration was too tepid in its response, and many members criticized the administration harshly. But Congress was constrained by its lack of leverage over executive branch policy and the conflict among U.S interests.
From the outset of the crisis, members received appeals from constituents who had relatives in China. They were generally frustrated with what they regarded as slow action by the State Department and U.S. diplomatic posts in China to evacuate American citizens. Yet members underestimated the many tasks that a limited number of U.S. diplomats had to perform in a dangerous situation and the operational difficulties of running a large evacuation.
Second, a number of members of Congress, especially those whose districts and states included major universities, were approached by Chinese students who were afraid to return to China once their visas expired. Quickly, legislation was drafted and soon passed to allow Chinese students to extend their stays in the United States. President Bush ultimately vetoed the bill but simultaneously issued an executive order that accomplished the same thing. The person who took the lead on this initiative was a new member from the San Francisco Bay area, Nancy Pelosi.
Third, and more complicated, was what should be done legislatively to restrict the U.S. relationship with China in response to the CCP’s violent crackdown against its own people. Although the Bush administration had taken some steps immediately, members of Congress believed that more was necessary. But the options were limited because any steps taken had to be within Congress’s prerogatives.
In July 1989, the House of Representatives included a package of sanctions on China in a broader bill. These banned or restricted arms sales, crime control equipment, and technology transfers, and shifted the U.S. government’s stance to restrict loans to China by international financial institutions. Included was authority for the president to waive the sanction if it was in the “national security interests” of the United States, a pretty high standard. The Senate passed its version of the bill in early 1990, weakening the waiver authority to U.S. “national interests” only. The bill soon became law.
The one sanction that was not considered until 1991, for technical reasons, was rejecting or conditioning the president’s annual extension of China’s most-favored-nation (MFN) trading status. Without those extensions, Chinese exports would have to pay the onerous tariffs from the Smoot-Hawley era. But by 1991, the technical problems were fixed and a coalition of liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans, led by Rep. Pelosi and Senator George Mitchell, drafted a bill that would link China’s human rights, economic, and proliferation policies to the annual extension of its MFN status.
The bill passed both houses of Congress and was vetoed by President Bush. The House then overrode the veto but the Senate, by a narrow margin, sustained it. A similar bill was passed in 1992, with the same result. At each stage of the legislative process, human rights groups, Chinese students, and other critics of China favored conditionality while American corporations, senior foreign policy statements, and Hong Kong interests were opposed.
THE (ONGOING) POLITICS OF HUMAN RIGHTS PROMOTION
Tiananmen continued to haunt American politics in the 1992 election campaign. Candidate Bill Clinton called out the “butchers of Beijing” and vowed, if elected, to condition his extension of China’s MFN status. After taking office, in May 1993, President Clinton extended MFN but also issued an executive order setting conditions on China that would govern his 1994 decision. There ensued an intense, high-stakes campaign by U.S. diplomats to get Beijing to accept Clinton’s conditions.
But the Chinese government played on the anxieties of the American business community, which had not originally opposed the executive order. By the end of 1993, American companies became deeply concerned that Beijing would not meet its conditions and that their competitive position in China would be in jeopardy. They believed that Deng Xiaoping’s reinvigoration of economic reform and opening up, which he began in 1992, would work to their strong advantage, but that denying China MFN status would put at risk the entire future of their companies and the jobs they created. (Note that many American companies now believe that Chinese economic policy has moved into a predatory mode, and that it is excessive dependence on the China market that puts their future at risk.)
Caught between contending forces, Clinton in May 1994 decided to abandon the linkage policy and try to advance human rights in China through different means. Nancy Pelosi felt betrayed and introduced conditionality legislation. But the political landscape in the United States had changed. U.S.-China economic interdependence had deepened. A bipartisan, centrist coalition mobilized to oppose the legislation (Rep. Lee Hamilton, for whom I worked at the time, was a leader of that coalition).
In August 1994, five years and two months after the Tiananmen tragedy, the House of Representatives voted down the Pelosi bill. How to promote democracy and human rights in China, always a fraught issue, was—and is—subject to the dynamics of America’s own democratic system.
Interesting that it was business interests that at that time blocked removal of MFN status for China. It's still happening today, but business interests are less effective, and will have to comply with U.S. Xinjiang restrictions.
Unfortunately for U.S. businesses in China, there will be more restrictions on trade ahead of them, all due to China's Militarization (civil/military fusion) and human rights violations.
You have tried to dodge your comment implying US government has been encouraging businesses investing in China. This is not true. You are not able to focus on topic. It means you are a person lack of logic. Your trick is keep blaming Xi that if US imposes sanctions on China it is not against Chinese people.
You have tried to dodge your comment implying US government has been encouraging businesses investing in China. This is not true. You are not able to focus on topic. It means you are a person lack of logic.
I'm telling you why the U.S. Government isn't encouraging business in China, and hasn't for decades. Do you really think that the U.S. Government would continue to encourage business in China after Tiananmen Square? Do you think that the U.S. Government encourages business in countries that have gotten more repressive since trade was established?
Yet U.S. businesses are in China. How can that be? Simple. Capitalism. But the balance is shifting, and capitalism is being constrained by U.S. outrage over China's Human Rights violations.
Now you have the PRC blocking its own tech companies from investment. Surely, at some point, you have to admit that Xi Jinping is bad for business and investment.
Have you ever even watched the videos of Tiananmen Square? I'm guessing that it is banned by the PRC.
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So you don't see that testing blood samples for SARS-COVID 19 taken in the Hubei Province months before the virus was "discovered" has a scientific benefit to finding the origin?
I suppose if you don't want to actually find the origin, that would be the way to guarantee not finding it.
I love how you so casually dismiss science. You're fine noting that there were a very few cases of COVID 19 found in testing blood samples in the U.S. the occurred in late November, but you don't acknowledge that China needs to look through its blood samples even earlier to see when the first case(s) of COVID 19 ceccured in the Hubei Province. Recall that China had deaths attributed to COVID 19 months before any in the U.S., implying that COVID 19 had been circulating even earlier than November in China.
What are you so afraid of? That China will be determined absolutely to be the source? That is an accurate assumption already. No wonder the world is losing patience with China.
It's true that China has used it's authoritarianism, again, and again, to lockdown it's citizens, including even today, and the U.S. has a large number of anti-vaxxers to contend with, but it is also true that China's vaccine efficacy hover's around 50%, meaning that their vaccinated population is much less protected, especially the Delta Variant, than ours, where the vaccines are over 90% efficacy. China really only has lockdowns to mitigate the spread, and it is in fact hurting their economy as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/06/western-economies-covid-imf-growth-forecast-us-uk
Is China's economy actually all that great today?
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-06-22/chinas-economic-reckoning
It's apparent that Xi Jinping is causing the West to reduce investments in China, and re-source much of its current manufacturing to other, more liberal countries. This will have a long term impact on China's economy which is becoming debt laden, and over aged.
Time for another "hater" post...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-steps-up-pressure-on-businesses-over-forced-labor-in-china-11628501400?st=s3nf48v7sjakr8o&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
Some posters deny...
You're an idiot;
Here's an example that demonstrates that you are entirely clueless;
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40396/the-u-s-once-helped-china-develop-a-modern-jet-fighter
For the record, Ivanka Trump had a number of business operations in China during her "daddy's" presidency, and still does.
I'm happy that your stuck in the PRC, where you fit in.
This is basic. China had unidentified symptomatic cases of what would be known later as SARS-COVID 19, months before those few asymptomatic cases occurred in the U.S, discovered only after testing older blood samples after the pandemic was in full swing. China hasn't provided the same testing to rule out SARS-COVID 19 circulating in late summer of 2019 .
U.S. response to Tiananmen Square;
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/05/29/30-years-after-tiananmen-square-a-look-back-on-congress-forceful-response/
Interesting that it was business interests that at that time blocked removal of MFN status for China. It's still happening today, but business interests are less effective, and will have to comply with U.S. Xinjiang restrictions.
Unfortunately for U.S. businesses in China, there will be more restrictions on trade ahead of them, all due to China's Militarization (civil/military fusion) and human rights violations.
Yet U.S. businesses are in China. How can that be? Simple. Capitalism. But the balance is shifting, and capitalism is being constrained by U.S. outrage over China's Human Rights violations.
Now you have the PRC blocking its own tech companies from investment. Surely, at some point, you have to admit that Xi Jinping is bad for business and investment.
Have you ever even watched the videos of Tiananmen Square? I'm guessing that it is banned by the PRC.