Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
You seem to avoid mentioning the ongoing human rights violation, and in fact, Genocide against the Uyghur by the Chinese Government, happening as we post.
Oh great, Xi’s sock puppet and fellatio partner is back. And we also have Avon B7 with his constant droning about the decline of the U.S. and West along with the inevitable rise and domination of totalitarian China and its totalitarian supporters. Funny he mentions South Africa which is slowly becoming another Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I have become friends with a white South African family who immigrated to the U.S. because whites are feeling more and more unsafe. The husband traces his roots back over 400 hundred years in South Africa to the Boers. Sure, colonizers, but 400 years. His parents still farm there. There is a bill making its way through the legislature that will give the government the power to confiscate white farmer’s land without compensation and hand it over to blacks, exactly like what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe.
Apparently this is the future Avon B7 is touting when totalitarian China becomes the dominant economic/military power. The Unites States and Europe will become subservient to almighty China and Emperor Xi Jinping.
Now as for Avons’s claim of China overtaking “technology output” that won’t happen if the West can manage to cut off China’s incessant stealing of IP. They can’t invent new technology if they can’t steal it first from the U.S or Japan. The technology his invented elsewhere, then sent to China for manufacture where it is then stolen by the CCP and the PLA. How do you think Russia and China got the bomb in the first place? Turns out Stalin had a spy in Los Alamos the whole time. Like Apple’s oft quoted line, “Developed in Cupertino, manufactured in China."
Hey, I pointed out some accepted facts.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
I try to stick to the facts as much as I can.
The US (not 'the West') is trying to choke China on technology (that is US phrasing, not mine) precisely because China is pulling ahead. That has been noted officially by US representatives.
Its actions will (are!) only serve to accelerate China's technology aspirations. Nothing can stop that, only slow it down, and very short term.
As for IP theft, it's a global problem but have you actually checked who is consistently filing the most patents?
I'm not talking about patent 'quality' but the patents themselves. They are filed precisely for IP reasons. Why do you think Chinese companies even bother if they steal everything? You are using blanket statements and a very wide brush.
Have you checked the top patent filers even within the US?
Will you admit that we are in the early stages of a digital industrial revolution? Will you admit that the US completely (and utterly) missed the ball of the backbone of that technology (5/5.5/6G) and admit that it is China which is a major player in that realm? With the patents and standards bodies support to back it up.
Will you admit that the US completely (and utterly) missed the ball on semiconductor production? It is why government is now stepping in to subsidise that area of the industry.
Will you admit that Trump started a trade war with China to get morebusiness out of them and then had to pump billions into US agriculture to keep it afloat when China reduced orders?
Will you admit that the US is currently out, not to compete, but to destroy global supply lines?
Will you admit that the US has threatened allies to get its way?
It told Saudi Arabia to dump Huawei or lose the sale of F-35s. Saudi Arabia seems to have opted for Huawei and also signed a major energy deal with China.
Will you admit that the US has imposed unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries? Even against the opinions of its allies. Take Iran as an example.
Will you admit that US technology restrictions have caused severe harm to its own technology interests?
The US just enacted them and it didn't look good in the eyes of allies. It why it's taken since then to bring some governments onboard. They were furious.
Do you think 'de-americanisation' is underway in sovereign technology manufacturers simply to protect themselves from US unilateral extraterritorial interference?
Will you admit that the US has got caught various times spying on EU officials? Merkal included!
I can talk about facts and support them.
I respect your opinion but it seems to be missing some fact checking at the very least and/or you are letting emotion cloud your vision.
No one is perfect (well, apart from the EU of course! LOL) but things aren't really as you painted them. Try to balance things out a bit.
The BRI began 10 years ago. Just before the pandemic it really took off. So did the DSR.
When 150 countries approx sign on and many sign contracts with China for major infrastructure projects it is difficult to claim the west is against them. Right?
Lots of talk about 'debt traps' but very little to back it up. And speaking of debt, how is the US doing?
And now we are seeing some dollar pushback too. Why?
Things don't look good for the US simply because no-one (except for the Hawks) thinks the policy changes will work.
Have you actually seen anyone say that China won't reach the US and then overtake it on technology?
General opinion seems to be that it will happen simply because it's impossible to stop. The question is when.
Obviously in some areas (like 5G) it's already happened.
You seem to bullshit extensively on the U.S. initiated block of semiconductor technology to China, so here's a very recent article with the details.
Suffice it to state, Japan and The Netherlands are in agreement to restrict lithography equipment sales to China,
On October 7, 2022, the Biden administration upended more than two decades of U.S. trade policy toward China when it issued sweeping new regulations on U.S. exports to China of advanced artificial intelligence (AI) and semiconductor technology. These export controls were designed after consultation with key U.S. allies, but the United States originally implemented them unilaterally.
This was a major diplomatic gamble.
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
Gee, even the EU is cognizant of China's threat.
This is famously ironic coming from you, dissing Apple's massive iPhone revenue;
Billions in revenues have been lost. Revenue that is needed for R&D.
That is R&D to compete with non-US rivals.
Yeah, China is trying to build up its military. News at 11:00
If China is stupid enough to supply arms to Russia, then sanctions will only increase, but even more broadly and from our allies, including the EU. FAFO
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
You seem to avoid mentioning the ongoing human rights violation, and in fact, Genocide against the Uyghur by the Chinese Government, happening as we post.
The Genocide allegation is a lie. UN human rights representative visited China. She delayed the report until she is leaving the office. Because she found no violation. The report is not able to list any fact that can be substantiated. The truth is Uyghurs was treated the same as Han Chinese. This is unlike American Indians who were segregated from the whites and left on barren lands to die.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
You seem to avoid mentioning the ongoing human rights violation, and in fact, Genocide against the Uyghur by the Chinese Government, happening as we post.
The Genocide allegation is a lie. UN human rights representative visited China. She delayed the report until she is leaving the office. Because she found no violation. The report is not able to list any fact that can be substantiated. The truth is Uyghurs was treated the same as Han Chinese. This is unlike American Indians who were segregated from the whites and left on barren lands to die.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
You seem to avoid mentioning the ongoing human rights violation, and in fact, Genocide against the Uyghur by the Chinese Government, happening as we post.
The Genocide allegation is a lie. UN human rights representative visited China. She delayed the report until she is leaving the office. Because she found no violation. The report is not able to list any fact that can be substantiated. The truth is Uyghurs was treated the same as Han Chinese. This is unlike American Indians who were segregated from the whites and left on barren lands to die.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
The difference is that we, as a species and as a [global] society, should be a bit more enlightened today versus a couple hundred years ago. Would you also justify slavery with the same looking-back-into-history what-about-ism?
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
The difference is that we, as a species and as a [global] society, should be a bit more enlightened today versus a couple hundred years ago. Would you also justify slavery with the same looking-back-into-history what-about-ism?
I agree with this. The question to you is do you believe what US is doing is absolutely right today? Like exaggeration human rights violation to genocide. And this was word was created by US State Department. What is the enlightenment today?
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
The difference is that we, as a species and as a [global] society, should be a bit more enlightened today versus a couple hundred years ago. Would you also justify slavery with the same looking-back-into-history what-about-ism?
I agree with this. The question to you is do you believe what US is doing is absolutely right today? Like exaggeration human rights violation to genocide. And this was word was created by US State Department. What is the enlightenment today?
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The report also establishes two important findings. The first is that the entire framework that China is relying on in this campaign to combat what its government calls terrorism and extremism is incompatible with its international human-rights obligations. The [supposed] crimes are vaguely defined. They are arbitrarily determined.
These are the crimes that China is accusing the Uyghurs of committing?
Correct. Terrorism, religious extremism, engaging in illegal religious activities, and so on. According to the U.N. report, the entire legal framework that China has put in place to combat what it says is the risk of terrorism or religious extremism is in contradiction with human-rights standards. It’s arbitrary, it’s vague, it’s politicized, and it doesn’t offer the kind of legal guarantees and remedies that should be present, especially with respect to deprivation of liberty. If you put people in an internment camp, there should be legal procedures for that. In the program that China has been rolling out for a number of years in Xinjiang that has led to the internment of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, none of these guarantees are present.
The second important element is that a range of very severe violations—torture, enforced disappearances, intimidation, the stamping out of religious or cultural expression—were found. Both the legal basis and the implementation of the campaign are profoundly violative of human rights, and that is extremely important when it comes from a U.N. agency.
Your defense of China is certainly "emotional", but there are enough facts to determine that China is a human rights violator, and by Article II, almost certainly guilty of Genocide.
Oh, and there isn't a whole lot of difference between human rights violations, and genocide, excepting that Genocide is specific to a group, and that is the case with the Uyghurs and other minorities.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei.
Tibet is much advanced than in 1950. So is Xinjiang. Why don't look back in the mirror? The genocides committed toward American Indians. I just want a simple answer. Why did Americans have to do this? I believe the answer you provide could be applied to Tibet and Xinjiang. You hate China because you believe it is a totalitarian dictatorship nation. The same mentality was used against American Indians. The settlers believe they are barbarian and don't believe in God. Either way it is racism rooted through superiority.
The difference is that we, as a species and as a [global] society, should be a bit more enlightened today versus a couple hundred years ago. Would you also justify slavery with the same looking-back-into-history what-about-ism?
I agree with this. The question to you is do you believe what US is doing is absolutely right today? Like exaggeration human rights violation to genocide. And this was word was created by US State Department. What is the enlightenment today?
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The report also establishes two important findings. The first is that the entire framework that China is relying on in this campaign to combat what its government calls terrorism and extremism is incompatible with its international human-rights obligations. The [supposed] crimes are vaguely defined. They are arbitrarily determined.
These are the crimes that China is accusing the Uyghurs of committing?
Correct. Terrorism, religious extremism, engaging in illegal religious activities, and so on. According to the U.N. report, the entire legal framework that China has put in place to combat what it says is the risk of terrorism or religious extremism is in contradiction with human-rights standards. It’s arbitrary, it’s vague, it’s politicized, and it doesn’t offer the kind of legal guarantees and remedies that should be present, especially with respect to deprivation of liberty. If you put people in an internment camp, there should be legal procedures for that. In the program that China has been rolling out for a number of years in Xinjiang that has led to the internment of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, none of these guarantees are present.
The second important element is that a range of very severe violations—torture, enforced disappearances, intimidation, the stamping out of religious or cultural expression—were found. Both the legal basis and the implementation of the campaign are profoundly violative of human rights, and that is extremely important when it comes from a U.N. agency.
Your defense of China is certainly "emotional", but there are enough facts to determine that China is a human rights violator, and by Article II, almost certainly guilty of Genocide.
Oh, and there isn't a whole lot of difference between human rights violations, and genocide, excepting that Genocide is specific to a group, and that is the case with the Uyghurs and other minorities.
"genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,"
Can you comprehend English? Where is the evidence of "intent to destroy"? Zero! Nada! As I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese.
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture.
BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world.
Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output.
If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US.
Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.
What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at.
He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media.
Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.
We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.
We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.
We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.
You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.
Nonsense. China absolutely is a brutalist and authoritarian state, that has no qualms about sending tanks in to roll over their own people. Or to wage ethic cleaning against religious minorities, forced organ harvesting, forced prison labor, etc etc. Those are all facts. China doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture.
BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world.
Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output.
If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US.
Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.
What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at.
He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media.
Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.
We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.
We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.
We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.
You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.
China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.
Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.
You are full of double truths. You are predicting a future of China. You should know prediction is not truth.
Your 'truth' is contradicting what StrangeDays said.
Incorrect, because my post had *zero* to do with GDP or China’s economy, and *everything* to do with their atrocious human rights violations. China is a brutalist authoritarian state with a dictator. The Chinese people (who I’ve met and enjoyed during my time studying in China) aren’t even free to protest without fear of imprisonment or death. Them’s just the facts, ma’am.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture.
BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world.
Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output.
If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US.
Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.
What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at.
He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media.
Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.
We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.
We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.
We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.
You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.
China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.
Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.
You are full of double truths. You are predicting a future of China. You should know prediction is not truth.
You realise that double truths are just more truth, right? Right?
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture.
BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world.
Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output.
If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US.
Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.
What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at.
He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media.
Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.
We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.
We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.
We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.
You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.
Nonsense. China absolutely is a brutalist and authoritarian state, that has no qualms about sending tanks in to roll over their own people. Or to wage ethic cleaning against religious minorities, forced organ harvesting, forced prison labor, etc etc. Those are all facts. China doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
Do you work for the CCP?
Double truths! Because you conveniently ignored what happened in the US. In the old days, I see many people complaining about double standard. In the US governments relegated the killing to the police. Police does not belong to the government like the military? Organ harvesting? It seems you are indulged in the propaganda war waged by Falun Gong. You have no idea what is a fact. In the US the courts decide what are the facts. In a jury trial, any people found to fabricate false facts will be thrown out of the court and fined. Falun Gong has fabricated numerous false facts. They are liars no better than Chinese government or even US government.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture.
BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world.
Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output.
If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US.
Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.
What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at.
He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media.
Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.
We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.
We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.
We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.
You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.
Nonsense. China absolutely is a brutalist and authoritarian state, that has no qualms about sending tanks in to roll over their own people. Or to wage ethic cleaning against religious minorities, forced organ harvesting, forced prison labor, etc etc. Those are all facts. China doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
Do you work for the CCP?
Double truths! Because you conveniently ignored what happened in the US. In the old days, I see many people complaining about double standard. In the US governments relegated the killing to the police. Police does not belong to the government like the military? Organ harvesting? It seems you are indulged in the propaganda war waged by Falun Gong. You have no idea what is a fact. In the US the courts decide what are the facts. In a jury trial, any people found to fabricate false facts will be thrown out of the court and fined. Falun Gong has fabricated numerous false facts. They are liars no better than Chinese government or even US government.
The U.S. has its government divided amongst Federal, State, County, and City (primarily), each with its own court jurisdictions all that way up to the Supreme Court. Most Police misconduct cases are decided on the local level, and by very pro-Police administrations. Difficult to change, but there have been a few notable exceptions, and there is also a widening use of body cams by police in an effort to increase objective policing.
There were enough independent reports of organ harvesting to justify a UN investigation; here's an example:
Ethan Gutmann, a researcher and human rights activist, told Haaretz in late 2020 that some 15 million members of minorities in the Xinjiang province, including Uighur Muslims, underwent medical examinations essential to check matches of organs for transplant. He said over a million of those tested were in prison camps. “This is not sporadic,” he said, adding that China has “created a policy of ethnic cleansing – a potentially very profitable one.”
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Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
Suffice it to state, Japan and The Netherlands are in agreement to restrict lithography equipment sales to China,
https://www.csis.org/analysis/clues-us-dutch-japanese-semiconductor-export-controls-deal-are-hiding-plain-sight
Gee, even the EU is cognizant of China's threat.
This is famously ironic coming from you, dissing Apple's massive iPhone revenue;
Yeah, China is trying to build up its military. News at 11:00
If China is stupid enough to supply arms to Russia, then sanctions will only increase, but even more broadly and from our allies, including the EU. FAFO
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/09/xinjiang-report-china-must-address-grave-human-rights-violations-and-world
You need to stop lying to yourself and to us on these forums.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting
You are the liar. She did not use the word genocide. There is a big difference between genocide and human rights violation.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-hasnt-the-un-accused-china-of-genocide-in-xinjiang
Your defense of China is certainly "emotional", but there are enough facts to determine that China is a human rights violator, and by Article II, almost certainly guilty of Genocide.
Oh, and there isn't a whole lot of difference between human rights violations, and genocide, excepting that Genocide is specific to a group, and that is the case with the Uyghurs and other minorities.
Can you comprehend English? Where is the evidence of "intent to destroy"? Zero! Nada! As I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese.
Do you work for the CCP?
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
https://frontierindia.com/cias-black-ops-led-the-uk-to-drop-huawei-5g-book-reveals/
America First!
Have you forgotten already?
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
Sorry for the rant.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/germany-set-ban-chinas-huawei-zte-parts-5g-networks-source-2023-03-07/
and China as well,
https://www.reuters.com/technology/dutch-responds-us-china-policy-with-plan-curb-semiconductor-tech-exports-2023-03-08/
and another,
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/tech/dutch-china-chips-ban-hnk-intl/index.html
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
There were enough independent reports of organ harvesting to justify a UN investigation; here's an example:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-04-10/ty-article-magazine/.premium/research-china-harvested-organs-from-living-people-doctors-helped-with-executions/00000180-5bb8-df19-a7f3-dbfc53720000