Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
By the way, Volkswagen CEO recently visited its factory in Xinjiang. He said he saw no force labor, no human rights violation and talked to some Uyghurs employees. MSM failed to report this news. Americans are being fooled.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
LOL!
"Proof": Is it independently verified or is the "proof" furnished by the Chinese government apparatus?
You have yet to show anything that is independently verifiable.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
LOL!
"Proof": Is it independently verified or is the "proof" furnished by the Chinese government apparatus?
You have yet to show anything that is independently verifiable.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
Huawei's AI hardware is a concern, hence why Huawei doesn't get any from U.S. et al.
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
So there is no link to Huawei and hypersonic missiles.
I should have known!
Huawei is not state intervened anymore than Honor (which is actually part government owned!). Can you see the irony?
The Chinese government (according to your thinking at least) has its fingers in All Chinese companies but it's only Huawei that is 'banned'.
You have no valid explanation for that (or anything else you claim) which is exactly why you dumped hypersonic missiles in here and now don't want to answer my retort.
Those missiles don't mean anything now and it is me who has backed myself into a corner?
No.
I'm not foolish enough to do that but let's keep things technological.
China has all the technology it needs to build hypersonic missiles. It already has them. There is literally zero need for cutting edge process nodes on multi-million dollar single use weapons. Zero.
At the other end (control) China (hey! Not Huawei!) already has all the technology it needs.
It is suspected down to at least 5nm. Mass production is an issue there but how many missile systems do you think they plan on making? I think yields aren't an issue for that. Nor is cost.
Anyway, cutting edge nodes also mean zero in these cases.
I'll tell what Huawei is going to do and it's no secret. They are going to chipstack older nodes using new (self-developed) packaging technology for improved cost efficiency and performance. That is happening now. The chips are rumored to be in internal testing. Not for hypersonic misiles though! LOL.
That is a stop-gap solution. They have applied for a patent on EUV and others on improving older DUV implementations.
The end game is non-silicon, though. That means EUV becomes irrelevant.
How far are we away from that? No idea but the US has pushed China to make a bigger effort to get there sooner.
And one last point for perspective.
IIRC, ASML is producing close to 700 lithography systems for the coming years. Each one a multi million dollar effort.
So let me ask you. How many of those will be EUV?
Seems like Huawei and all its tentacles in Chinese Government are the reason for its current problems, and you posted in the past that Huawei had a significant AI/High Performance Computing hardware offering. That in itself is enough to ban it as these systems are used for designing weapon. You seem unable to comprehend that.
With Regard To China's Hypersonic missiles, these are more the equivalent of ballistic missiles, with "boost and glide" warheads, whereas the U.S. is working on hypersonic air breathing missile technology that is currently superior to anything that China or Russia have, with two different working systems. Reason enough that China would want to have more computational assets for weapon design. As well, China has used Computational Fluid Dynamics software of U.S. origin that is also now banned.
You can stop posting about all of the semiconductor work arounds that Huawei is going to do in lieu of advanced nodes, with your attendant complaints about how it isn't fair that Huawei/China is banned from advanced nodes, really anything 14 nm or below, and that includes most of the DUV advanced hardware.
You should read more of what I posted, since you are very much behind the power curve on semiconductor fab equipment banned to China.
You didn't answer the question!
Again, I'm not surprised.
Yes, Huawei has produced an entire full scenario AI high performance architecture.
If you have the money you can buy one and do with it as you see fit. It is not limited to China. It's being used a lot in molecular biology using Pangu.
The US is fearful of Chinese companies getting the upper hand in technology. We all know that. National security has nothing to do with anything.
I will stop posting in this thread now because we all know how much you hate China but how about a little humour?
I read years ago that the Serbians befuddled some of NATO's highest tech missile systems by using brightly coloured paint.
The US recently got spooked by a balloon and sent up some of its most expensive, highest tech hardware to shoot it down.
We are talking about a slow moving balloon with little maneuverability. A sitting Pekin Duck?
It seems one of the missiles missed.
So, here is the thing. Should China just send a fleet of low tech balloons over and just make sure it has more balloons than the US has missiles?
On the other hand I'm sure there is a team of balloon boffins beavering away in the Pentagon on designs of anti-balloon systems!
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
Huawei's AI hardware is a concern, hence why Huawei doesn't get any from U.S. et al.
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
So there is no link to Huawei and hypersonic missiles.
I should have known!
Huawei is not state intervened anymore than Honor (which is actually part government owned!). Can you see the irony?
The Chinese government (according to your thinking at least) has its fingers in All Chinese companies but it's only Huawei that is 'banned'.
You have no valid explanation for that (or anything else you claim) which is exactly why you dumped hypersonic missiles in here and now don't want to answer my retort.
Those missiles don't mean anything now and it is me who has backed myself into a corner?
No.
I'm not foolish enough to do that but let's keep things technological.
China has all the technology it needs to build hypersonic missiles. It already has them. There is literally zero need for cutting edge process nodes on multi-million dollar single use weapons. Zero.
At the other end (control) China (hey! Not Huawei!) already has all the technology it needs.
It is suspected down to at least 5nm. Mass production is an issue there but how many missile systems do you think they plan on making? I think yields aren't an issue for that. Nor is cost.
Anyway, cutting edge nodes also mean zero in these cases.
I'll tell what Huawei is going to do and it's no secret. They are going to chipstack older nodes using new (self-developed) packaging technology for improved cost efficiency and performance. That is happening now. The chips are rumored to be in internal testing. Not for hypersonic misiles though! LOL.
That is a stop-gap solution. They have applied for a patent on EUV and others on improving older DUV implementations.
The end game is non-silicon, though. That means EUV becomes irrelevant.
How far are we away from that? No idea but the US has pushed China to make a bigger effort to get there sooner.
And one last point for perspective.
IIRC, ASML is producing close to 700 lithography systems for the coming years. Each one a multi million dollar effort.
So let me ask you. How many of those will be EUV?
Seems like Huawei and all its tentacles in Chinese Government are the reason for its current problems, and you posted in the past that Huawei had a significant AI/High Performance Computing hardware offering. That in itself is enough to ban it as these systems are used for designing weapon. You seem unable to comprehend that.
With Regard To China's Hypersonic missiles, these are more the equivalent of ballistic missiles, with "boost and glide" warheads, whereas the U.S. is working on hypersonic air breathing missile technology that is currently superior to anything that China or Russia have, with two different working systems. Reason enough that China would want to have more computational assets for weapon design. As well, China has used Computational Fluid Dynamics software of U.S. origin that is also now banned.
You can stop posting about all of the semiconductor work arounds that Huawei is going to do in lieu of advanced nodes, with your attendant complaints about how it isn't fair that Huawei/China is banned from advanced nodes, really anything 14 nm or below, and that includes most of the DUV advanced hardware.
You should read more of what I posted, since you are very much behind the power curve on semiconductor fab equipment banned to China.
You didn't answer the question!
Again, I'm not surprised.
Yes, Huawei has produced an entire full scenario AI high performance architecture.
If you have the money you can buy one and do with it as you see fit. It is not limited to China. It's being used a lot in molecular biology using Pangu.
The US is fearful of Chinese companies getting the upper hand in technology. We all know that. National security has nothing to do with anything.
I will stop posting in this thread now because we all know how much you hate China but how about a little humour?
I read years ago that the Serbians befuddled some of NATO's highest tech missile systems by using brightly coloured paint.
The US recently got spooked by a balloon and sent up some of its most expensive, highest tech hardware to shoot it down.
We are talking about a slow moving balloon with little maneuverability. A sitting Pekin Duck?
It seems one of the missiles missed.
So, here is the thing. Should China just send a fleet of low tech balloons over and just make sure it has more balloons than the US has missiles?
On the other hand I'm sure there is a team of balloon boffins beavering away in the Pentagon on designs of anti-balloon systems!
LOL!
And oh, BTW, what specific question do you want answered?
You have lost. Arguing with me isn't going to get Huawei back to where it was, and I have posted links for years that Huawei was a national security threat, and you weaved and dodged and still deny it.
That you even bring up the "balloon' is comical, since the U.S. did in fact shoot it down with an AIM-9X air to air missile whose seeker was able to target the surface of the balloon:
Length of surveillance package is about 120 feet, and had active maneuverability. It had been flying at 50,000 to 60,000 feet, and the F-22's that fired the missile are the only fighter aircraft in use by the U.S. that can maneuver at that altitude.
Nice photo of it from a U-2S aircraft above the balloon.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
By the way, Volkswagen CEO recently visited its factory in Xinjiang. He said he saw no force labor, no human rights violation and talked to some Uyghurs employees. MSM failed to report this news. Americans are being fooled.
That is not proof of anything other than what was shown to the VW China chief on his visit. Not proof of anything, and at best only proof about that particular factory per discussions with 7 handpicked workers.
But Luke de Pulford of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, a group of legislators from thirty democratic countries including Britain, Germany, and the U.S., said human rights organizations felt labor standards could not be verified in the region because members of the Uyghur minority could not speak freely without fearing for their safety.
Campaigners at the World Uyghur Congress in Germany and researchers from Sheffield Hallam University, who authored a report on the auto industry supply chain's links to Xinjiang, said the visit to the region and conversations with workers were likely planned and coordinated with authorities.
Brandstätter said he spoke at length to seven workers individually - including Han Chinese, Uyghurs and Kazakhs - some through a translator of VW's choice and some in English, and held shorter discussions with other workers on his tour, which he said occurred without government supervision.
Good luck on getting an independent investigation of that factory.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
By the way, Volkswagen CEO recently visited its factory in Xinjiang. He said he saw no force labor, no human rights violation and talked to some Uyghurs employees. MSM failed to report this news. Americans are being fooled.
That is not proof of anything other than what was shown to the VW China chief on his visit. Not proof of anything, and at best only proof about that particular factory per discussions with 7 handpicked workers.
But Luke de Pulford of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, a group of legislators from thirty democratic countries including Britain, Germany, and the U.S., said human rights organizations felt labor standards could not be verified in the region because members of the Uyghur minority could not speak freely without fearing for their safety.
Campaigners at the World Uyghur Congress in Germany and researchers from Sheffield Hallam University, who authored a report on the auto industry supply chain's links to Xinjiang, said the visit to the region and conversations with workers were likely planned and coordinated with authorities.
Brandstätter said he spoke at length to seven workers individually - including Han Chinese, Uyghurs and Kazakhs - some through a translator of VW's choice and some in English, and held shorter discussions with other workers on his tour, which he said occurred without government supervision.
Good luck on getting an independent investigation of that factory.
Isn't this what Western media use to prove something, by interviewing a witness? LOL
If metoo said you sexually molested a person, do you have to prove you never did anything wrong? LOL
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
By the way, Volkswagen CEO recently visited its factory in Xinjiang. He said he saw no force labor, no human rights violation and talked to some Uyghurs employees. MSM failed to report this news. Americans are being fooled.
That is not proof of anything other than what was shown to the VW China chief on his visit. Not proof of anything, and at best only proof about that particular factory per discussions with 7 handpicked workers.
But Luke de Pulford of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, a group of legislators from thirty democratic countries including Britain, Germany, and the U.S., said human rights organizations felt labor standards could not be verified in the region because members of the Uyghur minority could not speak freely without fearing for their safety.
Campaigners at the World Uyghur Congress in Germany and researchers from Sheffield Hallam University, who authored a report on the auto industry supply chain's links to Xinjiang, said the visit to the region and conversations with workers were likely planned and coordinated with authorities.
Brandstätter said he spoke at length to seven workers individually - including Han Chinese, Uyghurs and Kazakhs - some through a translator of VW's choice and some in English, and held shorter discussions with other workers on his tour, which he said occurred without government supervision.
Good luck on getting an independent investigation of that factory.
Isn't this what Western media use to prove something, by interviewing a witness? LOL
If metoo said you sexually molested a person, do you have to prove you never did anything wrong? LOL
Actually, the witness could be interviewed by the media if they chose, but they could also make a statement to the police to the effect of the sexual assault. If there was cause, a case would be opened and the accused would be interviewed by the police. If they refused to be interviewed, the police might ask for a subpoena to be issued, that would require the accused to appear for an interview. The Police and or a Procecutor would decide If an investigation was warranted, and during the investigation, there would be evidence collected. Interestingly enough, there might be other victims / witnesses the could come forward, as in the Harvey Weinstein case.
Of course, China is very far behind the U.S. on women's rights, and the U.S. still has quite a ways to go at that.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.
Pay attention to my proof. I said Uyghurs are being treated the same as Han Chinese. Therefore there is no intent to destroy Uyghur race. If you could not understand this logic, your American education is a total failure.
By the way, Volkswagen CEO recently visited its factory in Xinjiang. He said he saw no force labor, no human rights violation and talked to some Uyghurs employees. MSM failed to report this news. Americans are being fooled.
So here we are with Avon B7 and Waveparticle trotting out the moral equivalency argument like those of their ilk always do. If a U.S. citizen takes a stand on human rights abuses their response is, “YOU did the same thing 150 years ago so YOU have no right to criticize what’s happening now in the 21st century. The U.S. and China, Russia, Iran, etc. are exactly the same as far as moral behavior goes so shut up.”
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now. If America is no different than North Korea, China, or Iran, and now even Russia, then why are people still risking their lives to get here at any cost. Why are Finland and Sweden now hellbent on joining NATO and why is that asshole dictator Erdogan blocking them?
Man - Are you really serious when you wrote that post? Are you arguing that US did not commit (or is not committing as we debate in this forum) any MAJOR human rights violation in 21st century that Avon B7 is pointing about 17th/18th/19th century human rights violations by/within USA??? Really? Seriously? Just one acronym is enought to remind you about an extremely serious crime that USA commited not so long ago - WMD. You may be happy to have selective amnesia towards it because it is your country which is the perpetrator and you may feel compelled to defend your country. But you must remember that people from rest of the world would not ignore that.
So here we are with Avon B7 and Waveparticle trotting out the moral equivalency argument like those of their ilk always do. If a U.S. citizen takes a stand on human rights abuses their response is, “YOU did the same thing 150 years ago so YOU have no right to criticize what’s happening now in the 21st century. The U.S. and China, Russia, Iran, etc. are exactly the same as far as moral behavior goes so shut up.”
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now. If America is no different than North Korea, China, or Iran, and now even Russia, then why are people still risking their lives to get here at any cost. Why are Finland and Sweden now hellbent on joining NATO and why is that asshole dictator Erdogan blocking them?
Man - Are you really serious when you wrote that post? Are you arguing that US did not commit (or is not committing as we debate in this forum) any MAJOR human rights violation in 21st century that Avon B7 is pointing about 17th/18th/19th century human rights violations by/within USA??? Really? Seriously? Just one acronym is enought to remind you about an extremely serious crime that USA commited not so long ago - WMD. You may be happy to have selective amnesia towards it because it is your country which is the perpetrator and you may feel compelled to defend your country. But you must remember that people from rest of the world would not ignore that.
Refresh my memory. What WMD crime is the U.S. guilty of?
So here we are with Avon B7 and Waveparticle trotting out the moral equivalency argument like those of their ilk always do. If a U.S. citizen takes a stand on human rights abuses their response is, “YOU did the same thing 150 years ago so YOU have no right to criticize what’s happening now in the 21st century. The U.S. and China, Russia, Iran, etc. are exactly the same as far as moral behavior goes so shut up.”
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now. If America is no different than North Korea, China, or Iran, and now even Russia, then why are people still risking their lives to get here at any cost. Why are Finland and Sweden now hellbent on joining NATO and why is that asshole dictator Erdogan blocking them?
Man - Are you really serious when you wrote that post? Are you arguing that US did not commit (or is not committing as we debate in this forum) any MAJOR human rights violation in 21st century that Avon B7 is pointing about 17th/18th/19th century human rights violations by/within USA??? Really? Seriously? Just one acronym is enought to remind you about an extremely serious crime that USA commited not so long ago - WMD. You may be happy to have selective amnesia towards it because it is your country which is the perpetrator and you may feel compelled to defend your country. But you must remember that people from rest of the world would not ignore that.
Refresh my memory. What WMD crime is the U.S. guilty of?
You can wake up a person who is actually sleeping. But you cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be sleeping, isn't it?
So here we are with Avon B7 and Waveparticle trotting out the moral equivalency argument like those of their ilk always do. If a U.S. citizen takes a stand on human rights abuses their response is, “YOU did the same thing 150 years ago so YOU have no right to criticize what’s happening now in the 21st century. The U.S. and China, Russia, Iran, etc. are exactly the same as far as moral behavior goes so shut up.”
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now. If America is no different than North Korea, China, or Iran, and now even Russia, then why are people still risking their lives to get here at any cost. Why are Finland and Sweden now hellbent on joining NATO and why is that asshole dictator Erdogan blocking them?
Man - Are you really serious when you wrote that post? Are you arguing that US did not commit (or is not committing as we debate in this forum) any MAJOR human rights violation in 21st century that Avon B7 is pointing about 17th/18th/19th century human rights violations by/within USA??? Really? Seriously? Just one acronym is enought to remind you about an extremely serious crime that USA commited not so long ago - WMD. You may be happy to have selective amnesia towards it because it is your country which is the perpetrator and you may feel compelled to defend your country. But you must remember that people from rest of the world would not ignore that.
Refresh my memory. What WMD crime is the U.S. guilty of?
You can wake up a person who is actually sleeping. But you cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be sleeping, isn't it?
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
I think China knows exactly what it’s doing, they have planned it ever since it offered cheap high quality manufacturing to the world and have only just begun. You don’t build islands in the South China Sea because you like sand castles! China won’t be a superpower, they will simply rule the planet as they do their people. China owns 870 billion US$ of debt, they are in bed with Russia and North Korea, Russia is doing everything they can to help Iran and the Taliban. It’s not will we see WW3, it’s when. It’s only because China is so smart it’s still years away, they’ll do as much as they can get away with during peaceful times because it’s so much cheaper and easier. Just wait for when the world has had enough or they’re ready to act. We should all be learning Mandarin now! Sorry I’m off my soapbox now!
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By the way, Volkswagen CEO recently visited its factory in Xinjiang. He said he saw no force labor, no human rights violation and talked to some Uyghurs employees. MSM failed to report this news. Americans are being fooled.
"Proof": Is it independently verified or is the "proof" furnished by the Chinese government apparatus?
You have yet to show anything that is independently verifiable.
Again, I'm not surprised.
Yes, Huawei has produced an entire full scenario AI high performance architecture.
If you have the money you can buy one and do with it as you see fit. It is not limited to China. It's being used a lot in molecular biology using Pangu.
The US is fearful of Chinese companies getting the upper hand in technology. We all know that. National security has nothing to do with anything.
I will stop posting in this thread now because we all know how much you hate China but how about a little humour?
I read years ago that the Serbians befuddled some of NATO's highest tech missile systems by using brightly coloured paint.
The US recently got spooked by a balloon and sent up some of its most expensive, highest tech hardware to shoot it down.
We are talking about a slow moving balloon with little maneuverability. A sitting Pekin Duck?
It seems one of the missiles missed.
So, here is the thing. Should China just send a fleet of low tech balloons over and just make sure it has more balloons than the US has missiles?
On the other hand I'm sure there is a team of balloon boffins beavering away in the Pentagon on designs of anti-balloon systems!
And oh, BTW, what specific question do you want answered?
You have lost. Arguing with me isn't going to get Huawei back to where it was, and I have posted links for years that Huawei was a national security threat, and you weaved and dodged and still deny it.
That you even bring up the "balloon' is comical, since the U.S. did in fact shoot it down with an AIM-9X air to air missile whose seeker was able to target the surface of the balloon:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/our-best-look-yet-at-the-chinese-spy-balloons-massive-payload
Length of surveillance package is about 120 feet, and had active maneuverability. It had been flying at 50,000 to 60,000 feet, and the F-22's that fired the missile are the only fighter aircraft in use by the U.S. that can maneuver at that altitude.
Nice photo of it from a U-2S aircraft above the balloon.
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-under-fire-amid-allegations-chinas-human-rights-abuses
Good luck on getting an independent investigation of that factory.
If metoo said you sexually molested a person, do you have to prove you never did anything wrong? LOL
Of course, China is very far behind the U.S. on women's rights, and the U.S. still has quite a ways to go at that.
Again, what WMD crime is the U.S. guilty of?
I'm a big boy, you can spell it out for me.
Here, I'll prod you;
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/6/17/india-is-becoming-a-hindu-fascist-enterprise