An Apple manufacturer's VP has quit after talking about China exodus

AppleInsider

The vice president of Chinese firm and Apple supplier Goertek has unexpectedly quit for "personal reasons," just days after saying clients were pressing all suppliers to build factories outside the country.

A Goertek office in China

At one point Goertek was a key supplier of AirPods Pro, but after it was dropped by Apple, its stock fell by 60%. It's not clear whether the company continued making regular AirPods, but the Chinese firm does supply a great many different technology clients.

Speaking in general terms about all of those clients on February 28, 2023, Goertek vice president Kazuyoshi Yoshinaga said they were visiting the company "almost every day," and asking "'When can you move out [of China]?'"

Now according to the South China Morning Post, Yoshinaga has resigned. The news was revealed in a stock exchange filing made on March 7, 2023, which listed that Yoshinaga was resigning for "personal reasons."

Unsurprisingly, the filing made no mention of Yoshinaga's comments, and Yoshinaga has not spoken of the reasons for his leaving. It's entirely possible that this resignation was planned, but the company's news page makes no mention of it, and there's no word of Yoshinaga's successor being appointed.

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lkrupp

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

avon b7

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

mystigo

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

Nice acronyms.

mknelson

mystigo said:

Nice acronyms.

They are if you look them up.

BRICS Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa

BRI/DSR Belt and road initiative/Digital silk road.

waveparticle

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

danox

After the United States, China is the second largest consumer of iPhones. The third country is Japan, there are no other individual countries that are close, unless you were to combine the EU into one country, in which case they are still less than China.

If the politicians in Washington are serious, get rid of NAFTA. Note the gentry class won’t do that.

StrangeDays

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

tmay

danox said:

After the United States, China is the second largest consumer of iPhones. The third country is Japan, there are no other individual countries that are close, unless you were to combine the EU into one country, in which case they are still less than China.

If the politicians in Washington are serious, get rid of NAFTA. Note the gentry class won’t do that.

Pretty sure that NAFTA doesn't exist anymore. It is now the USMCA (U.S. / Mexico / Canada Agreement} as renegotiated by the Trump Administration, and it is considered both successful, sans a few industries that lost workers early on, and of benefit to all the parties. The only other treaty of note that the U.S. is not a participant of, and should be, is the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership CPTPP. There is also the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), which includes China, but there has never been a discussion about the U.S. joining that.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/11/16/rcep-a-new-trade-agreement-that-will-shape-global-economics-and-politics/

waveparticle

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.

tmay

waveparticle said:

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.

China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.

Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.

waveparticle

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.

China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.

Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.

You are full of double truths. You are predicting a future of China. You should know prediction is not truth. 

danox

tmay said:

danox said:

After the United States, China is the second largest consumer of iPhones. The third country is Japan, there are no other individual countries that are close, unless you were to combine the EU into one country, in which case they are still less than China.

If the politicians in Washington are serious, get rid of NAFTA. Note the gentry class won’t do that.

Pretty sure that NAFTA doesn't exist anymore. It is now the USMCA (U.S. / Mexico / Canada Agreement} as renegotiated by the Trump Administration, and it is considered both successful, sans a few industries that lost workers early on, and of benefit to all the parties. The only other treaty of note that the U.S. is not a participant of, and should be, is the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership CPTPP. There is also the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), which includes China, but there has never been a discussion about the U.S. joining that.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/11/16/rcep-a-new-trade-agreement-that-will-shape-global-economics-and-politics/

So all those American, and European factories in cartel Mexico can be cut out and move north to the USA now? Because the clown renegotiated the treaty? United States-Mexico-Canada agreement otherwise known as NAFTA 2.0 because it changes nothing, companies still get to move products from cartel Mexico to the United States with very little if any interference. If you read the Wikipedia description of the original NAFTA agreement and NAFTA 2.0, all of the big thing tanks are all in agreement the that the average American worker should be happy about it, in short continue to own nothing and be happy, or I should say, have no job and be happy.

tmay

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.

China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.

Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.

You are full of double truths. You are predicting a future of China. You should know prediction is not truth. 

Not much to predict, and China's population has peaked, and has been surpassed by India's population as of around the end of 2022. As for China's economic woes, sad, but blame that on Xi.

tmay

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.

China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.

Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.

You are full of double truths. You are predicting a future of China. You should know prediction is not truth. 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-s-GDP-unlikely-to-surpass-U.S.-in-next-few-decades-JCER

Buh bye...

lkrupp

Oh great, Xi’s sock puppet and fellatio partner is back. And we also have Avon B7 with his constant droning about the decline of the U.S. and West along with the inevitable rise and domination of totalitarian China and its totalitarian supporters. Funny he mentions South Africa which is slowly becoming another Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I have become friends with a white South African family who immigrated to the U.S. because whites are feeling more and more unsafe. The husband traces his roots back over 400 hundred years in South Africa to the Boers. Sure, colonizers, but 400 years. His parents still farm there. There is a bill making its way through the legislature that will give the government the power to confiscate white farmer’s land without compensation and hand it over to blacks, exactly like what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. 

Apparently this is the future Avon B7 is touting when totalitarian China becomes the dominant economic/military power. The Unites States and Europe will become subservient to almighty China and Emperor Xi Jinping.

Now as for Avons’s claim of China overtaking “technology output” that won’t happen if the West can manage to cut off China’s incessant stealing of IP. They can’t invent new technology if they can’t steal it first from the U.S or Japan. The technology his invented elsewhere, then sent to China for manufacture where it is then stolen by the CCP and the PLA. How do you think Russia and China got the bomb in the first place? Turns out Stalin had a spy in Los Alamos the whole time. Like Apple’s oft quoted line, “Developed in Cupertino, manufactured in China."

waveparticle

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

StrangeDays said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

lkrupp said:

China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?

After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?

If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture. 

BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world. 

Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output. 

If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US. 

Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.

What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at. 

He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media. 

Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.

We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.

We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.

We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.

…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.

You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.

China is a failing authoritarian state, with a collapsing economy and population. That Western companies want to move out of China completely or move out some of there operations is a fact.

Want to know what will happen to China if they supply arms to Russia? FAFO.

You are full of double truths. You are predicting a future of China. You should know prediction is not truth. 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-s-GDP-unlikely-to-surpass-U.S.-in-next-few-decades-JCER

Buh bye...

Your 'truth' is contradicting what StrangeDays said. 

waveparticle

lkrupp said:

Oh great, Xi’s sock puppet and fellatio partner is back. And we also have Avon B7 with his constant droning about the decline of the U.S. and West along with the inevitable rise and domination of totalitarian China and its totalitarian supporters. Funny he mentions South Africa which is slowly becoming another Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I have become friends with a white South African family who immigrated to the U.S. because whites are feeling more and more unsafe. The husband traces his roots back over 400 hundred years in South Africa to the Boers. Sure, colonizers, but 400 years. His parents still farm there. There is a bill making its way through the legislature that will give the government the power to confiscate white farmer’s land without compensation and hand it over to blacks, exactly like what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. 

Apparently this is the future Avon B7 is touting when totalitarian China becomes the dominant economic/military power. The Unites States and Europe will become subservient to almighty China and Emperor Xi Jinping.

Now as for Avons’s claim of China overtaking “technology output” that won’t happen if the West can manage to cut off China’s incessant stealing of IP. They can’t invent new technology if they can’t steal it first from the U.S or Japan. The technology his invented elsewhere, then sent to China for manufacture where it is then stolen by the CCP and the PLA. How do you think Russia and China got the bomb in the first place? Turns out Stalin had a spy in Los Alamos the whole time. Like Apple’s oft quoted line, “Developed in Cupertino, manufactured in China."

All you China haters are ignorant that China 

Real GDP per capita is number 99 in the world. 

http://https//www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-per-capita/country-comparison/

tmay

waveparticle said:

lkrupp said:

Oh great, Xi’s sock puppet and fellatio partner is back. And we also have Avon B7 with his constant droning about the decline of the U.S. and West along with the inevitable rise and domination of totalitarian China and its totalitarian supporters. Funny he mentions South Africa which is slowly becoming another Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I have become friends with a white South African family who immigrated to the U.S. because whites are feeling more and more unsafe. The husband traces his roots back over 400 hundred years in South Africa to the Boers. Sure, colonizers, but 400 years. His parents still farm there. There is a bill making its way through the legislature that will give the government the power to confiscate white farmer’s land without compensation and hand it over to blacks, exactly like what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. 

Apparently this is the future Avon B7 is touting when totalitarian China becomes the dominant economic/military power. The Unites States and Europe will become subservient to almighty China and Emperor Xi Jinping.

Now as for Avons’s claim of China overtaking “technology output” that won’t happen if the West can manage to cut off China’s incessant stealing of IP. They can’t invent new technology if they can’t steal it first from the U.S or Japan. The technology his invented elsewhere, then sent to China for manufacture where it is then stolen by the CCP and the PLA. How do you think Russia and China got the bomb in the first place? Turns out Stalin had a spy in Los Alamos the whole time. Like Apple’s oft quoted line, “Developed in Cupertino, manufactured in China."

All you China haters are ignorant that China 

Real GDP per capita is number 99 in the world. 

http://https//www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-per-capita/country-comparison/

So, China is behind 98 other countries; that's not a lot to brag about, given that China is peaking.

avon b7

lkrupp said:

Oh great, Xi’s sock puppet and fellatio partner is back. And we also have Avon B7 with his constant droning about the decline of the U.S. and West along with the inevitable rise and domination of totalitarian China and its totalitarian supporters. Funny he mentions South Africa which is slowly becoming another Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I have become friends with a white South African family who immigrated to the U.S. because whites are feeling more and more unsafe. The husband traces his roots back over 400 hundred years in South Africa to the Boers. Sure, colonizers, but 400 years. His parents still farm there. There is a bill making its way through the legislature that will give the government the power to confiscate white farmer’s land without compensation and hand it over to blacks, exactly like what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. 

Apparently this is the future Avon B7 is touting when totalitarian China becomes the dominant economic/military power. The Unites States and Europe will become subservient to almighty China and Emperor Xi Jinping.

Now as for Avons’s claim of China overtaking “technology output” that won’t happen if the West can manage to cut off China’s incessant stealing of IP. They can’t invent new technology if they can’t steal it first from the U.S or Japan. The technology his invented elsewhere, then sent to China for manufacture where it is then stolen by the CCP and the PLA. How do you think Russia and China got the bomb in the first place? Turns out Stalin had a spy in Los Alamos the whole time. Like Apple’s oft quoted line, “Developed in Cupertino, manufactured in China."

Hey, I pointed out some accepted facts. 

Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China. 

I try to stick to the facts as much as I can. 

The US (not 'the West') is trying to choke China on technology (that is US phrasing, not mine) precisely because China is pulling ahead. That has been noted officially by US representatives.

Its actions will (are!) only serve to accelerate China's technology aspirations. Nothing can stop that, only slow it down, and very short term.

As for IP theft, it's a global problem but have you actually checked who is consistently filing the most patents?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-patents-idUSKCN2AU0TM

I'm not talking about patent 'quality' but the patents themselves. They are filed precisely for IP reasons. Why do you think Chinese companies even bother if they steal everything? You are using blanket statements and a very wide brush. 

Have you checked the top patent filers even within the US?

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/huawei-ranks-5th-in-us-patents-in-sign-of-chinese-growth-study-122011200007_1.html

Will you admit that we are in the early stages of a digital industrial revolution? Will you admit that the US completely (and utterly) missed the ball of the backbone of that technology (5/5.5/6G) and admit that it is China which is a major player in that realm? With the patents and standards bodies support to back it up. 

Will you admit that the US completely (and utterly) missed the ball on semiconductor production? It is why government is now stepping in to subsidise that area of the industry. 

Will you admit that Trump started a trade war with China to get more business out of them and then had to pump billions into US agriculture to keep it afloat when China reduced orders? 

Will you admit that the US is currently out, not to compete, but to destroy global supply lines? 

Will you admit that the US has threatened allies to get its way? 

It told Saudi Arabia to dump Huawei or lose the sale of F-35s. Saudi Arabia seems to have opted for Huawei and also signed a major energy deal with China. 

Will you admit that the US has imposed unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries? Even against the opinions of its allies. Take Iran as an example. 

Will you admit that US technology restrictions have caused severe harm to its own technology interests?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sia-on-sanctions

Billions in revenues have been lost. Revenue that is needed for R&D. 

That is R&D to compete with non-US rivals. 

And that it introduced limitations which impacted allied sovereign technology companies without consulting their governments? 

No one was consulted on these October restrictions that were pushed through:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/07/business/economy/biden-chip-technology.html

The US just enacted them and it didn't look good in the eyes of allies. It why it's taken since then to bring some governments onboard. They were furious. 

Do you think 'de-americanisation' is underway in sovereign technology manufacturers simply to protect themselves from US unilateral extraterritorial interference? 

Will you admit that the US has got caught various times spying on EU officials? Merkal included!

I can talk about facts and support them. 

I respect your opinion but it seems to be missing some fact checking at the very least and/or you are letting emotion cloud your vision.

No one is perfect (well, apart from the EU of course! LOL) but things aren't really as you painted them. Try to balance things out a bit. 

The BRI began 10 years ago. Just before the pandemic it really took off. So did the DSR. 

When 150 countries approx sign on and many sign contracts with China for major infrastructure projects it is difficult to claim the west is against them. Right? 

Lots of talk about 'debt traps' but very little to back it up. And speaking of debt, how is the US doing? 

And now we are seeing some dollar pushback too. Why?

Things don't look good for the US simply because no-one (except for the Hawks) thinks the policy changes will work. 

Have you actually seen anyone say that China won't reach the US and then overtake it on technology? 

General opinion seems to be that it will happen simply because it's impossible to stop. The question is when. 

Obviously in some areas (like 5G) it's already happened. 

waveparticle

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

lkrupp said:

Oh great, Xi’s sock puppet and fellatio partner is back. And we also have Avon B7 with his constant droning about the decline of the U.S. and West along with the inevitable rise and domination of totalitarian China and its totalitarian supporters. Funny he mentions South Africa which is slowly becoming another Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I have become friends with a white South African family who immigrated to the U.S. because whites are feeling more and more unsafe. The husband traces his roots back over 400 hundred years in South Africa to the Boers. Sure, colonizers, but 400 years. His parents still farm there. There is a bill making its way through the legislature that will give the government the power to confiscate white farmer’s land without compensation and hand it over to blacks, exactly like what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. 

Apparently this is the future Avon B7 is touting when totalitarian China becomes the dominant economic/military power. The Unites States and Europe will become subservient to almighty China and Emperor Xi Jinping.

Now as for Avons’s claim of China overtaking “technology output” that won’t happen if the West can manage to cut off China’s incessant stealing of IP. They can’t invent new technology if they can’t steal it first from the U.S or Japan. The technology his invented elsewhere, then sent to China for manufacture where it is then stolen by the CCP and the PLA. How do you think Russia and China got the bomb in the first place? Turns out Stalin had a spy in Los Alamos the whole time. Like Apple’s oft quoted line, “Developed in Cupertino, manufactured in China."

All you China haters are ignorant that China 

Real GDP per capita is number 99 in the world. 

http://https//www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-per-capita/country-comparison/

So, China is behind 98 other countries; that's not a lot to brag about, given that China is peaking.

I never brag about China. On the other hand, I only talked about truths. Also, population is never the determine factor. Han Chinese has huger population ever, but it had invaded multiple times. Most recently it was invaded by Japan.