TSMC thinking about moving some operations to Japan amid growing China tensions

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Chip manufacturers, including Apple supplier TSMC, have begun considering moving a portion of their manufacturing to Japan as US/China tensions continue to escalate.

Credit: Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
Credit: Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.


Seven chipmakers have met with Japanese prime minister, Fumio Kishida, to discuss moving some portion of their operations to Japan. The announcement comes ahead of a G7 summit in Japan, where economic stability is expected to be a core topic.

Among those meeting with Kishida is Taiwan-based TSMC, the world's largest semiconductor foundry. TSMC is responsible for creating all of Apple's processors.

However, due to mounting geopolitical tension, the company could see investors pulling out if it does not move at least a portion of its manufacturing out of Taiwan.

According to the Financial Times on Thursday, TSMC has expressed interest in investing more money and resources into Japan after it had agreed to build a new plant in Kumamoto.

Along with TSMC, Samsung, Intel, and Micron have also expressed interest in building plants in Japan.

Japan's minister of economy, trade, and industry, Yasutoshi Nishimura, has said the Japanese government would use 1.3 trillion yen from its supplementary budget to support pledges made by foreign chipmakers.

Separately, TSMC was reported in December 2022 to have tripled its investment in a new chip factory in Arizona. More recently, the firm has criticized American workers and also suggested that its plans for further US expansion may be halted over tax issues.

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  • Reply 1 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
  • Reply 2 of 36
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,644member
    I think it’s interesting that we’ve had criticism of the administration here designating less than $60 billion for direct chip manufacturing support, while the Japanese government is giving around $400 billion, from an economy that’s about 40% the size of ours. Unless people here understand we need to get serious about this (and other matters) we’re going to be left behind. It’s gotten to the point where chip manufacturing has gotten so expensive, and the industry’s sales have stopped growing to support these increased costs, that without extensive governmental monetary help, it will collapse here.
    watto_cobrablastdoor
  • Reply 3 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    melgross said:
    I think it’s interesting that we’ve had criticism of the administration here designating less than $60 billion for direct chip manufacturing support, while the Japanese government is giving around $400 billion, from an economy that’s about 40% the size of ours. Unless people here understand we need to get serious about this (and other matters) we’re going to be left behind. It’s gotten to the point where chip manufacturing has gotten so expensive, and the industry’s sales have stopped growing to support these increased costs, that without extensive governmental monetary help, it will collapse here.
    $400 billion? Do you learn math from the athletic? 
  • Reply 4 of 36
    freeassociate2freeassociate2 Posts: 217member
    waveparticle said:
    melgross said:
    I think it’s interesting that we’ve had criticism of the administration here designating less than $60 billion for direct chip manufacturing support, while the Japanese government is giving around $400 billion, from an economy that’s about 40% the size of ours. Unless people here understand we need to get serious about this (and other matters) we’re going to be left behind. It’s gotten to the point where chip manufacturing has gotten so expensive, and the industry’s sales have stopped growing to support these increased costs, that without extensive governmental monetary help, it will collapse here.
    $400 billion? Do you learn math from the athletic? 
    I’m a bit confused by that statement, too. Current exchange rate says that’s 9.4 billion U.S. Dollars, not $400 billion. 
    baconstang
  • Reply 5 of 36
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,148member
    waveparticle said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    Xi, is that you, Comrade?
    applebynatureJP234baconstangwatto_cobratyler82tmayblastdoor
  • Reply 6 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    edited May 2023
  • Reply 7 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    eightzero said:
    waveparticle said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    Xi, is that you, Comrade?
    I am an observer and prophet. 
  • Reply 8 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
  • Reply 9 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    JP234 said:
    freeassociate2 said:
    waveparticle said:
    melgross said:
    I think it’s interesting that we’ve had criticism of the administration here designating less than $60 billion for direct chip manufacturing support, while the Japanese government is giving around $400 billion, from an economy that’s about 40% the size of ours. Unless people here understand we need to get serious about this (and other matters) we’re going to be left behind. It’s gotten to the point where chip manufacturing has gotten so expensive, and the industry’s sales have stopped growing to support these increased costs, that without extensive governmental monetary help, it will collapse here.
    $400 billion? Do you learn math from the athletic? 
    I’m a bit confused by that statement, too. Current exchange rate says that’s 9.4 billion U.S. Dollars, not $400 billion. 
    You're writing to a Chinese troll who uses a translator bot to spread disinformation on this forum. That's why their syntax is mangled. I wish that the admin here would deactivate this fake identity.
    You are a liar. I do not use a translator bot. I do not speak disinformation. 
  • Reply 10 of 36
    tyler82tyler82 Posts: 1,112member
    melgross said:
    I think it’s interesting that we’ve had criticism of the administration here designating less than $60 billion for direct chip manufacturing support, while the Japanese government is giving around $400 billion, from an economy that’s about 40% the size of ours. Unless people here understand we need to get serious about this (and other matters) we’re going to be left behind. It’s gotten to the point where chip manufacturing has gotten so expensive, and the industry’s sales have stopped growing to support these increased costs, that without extensive governmental monetary help, it will collapse here.
    Sounds communist. 
  • Reply 11 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,455member
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    edited May 2023
  • Reply 12 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
  • Reply 13 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,455member
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    edited May 2023
  • Reply 14 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    edited May 2023
  • Reply 15 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,455member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. Again, those are the facts. That leaves aggression by the PRC's PLA as the only option for unification, and that is not acceptable to many of the countries in the West, especially of the U.S., Australia, and Japan.


    edited May 2023
  • Reply 16 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    waveparticle said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
  • Reply 17 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,455member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    edited May 2023 beowulfschmidt
  • Reply 18 of 36
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,030member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    To be fair the author of that piece (Ryan Fedasiuk) is employed (sponsored) by the Department of State.

    Literally everything on policy mentioned in the article (including 'malign influence') can be attributed to US activities too. 

    It is how geopolitics work. 

    The pot calling the kettle black. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 19 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
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    tmaytmay Posts: 6,455member
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    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign Policy, Defense One, Breaking Defense, War on the Rocks, POLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





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