It does not seem like a very Apple-y product, but that's not unexpected either. It's a first gen, and according to reports was intended for developers anyway. Three years out they may have something. At the moment it seems like it was pushed out to the retail market before it's fully hatched, and I'm not sure why altho I could guess there's some other nearly-finished products from potential competitors coming before the year is out.
No doubt some regular users here will rush to buy a Vision Pro anyway; after all, it's from Apple. By the time it's fully developed in gen 3 I would expect it to be half to a third of the current price. That's when it may capture my interest. Or not.
Not fully hatched?
It seems like they put a lot of love and energy into addressing all the shortcomings other AR headset suffer from. So I’m just curious as to what you need to see for it to be considered “fully hatched ”?
Dude, it's gatorguy, what did you expect? If he said he loved it, we'd all need to press him to get a brain MRI, stat, to find the tumor.
Right on. I’m not familiar with him or his brand of negativity.
You've confused realistic with negative. Apple may well have a hit on it's hands with future iterations, and if anyone can be successful with it, it's Apple. But it's not this version of it. In fact I don't expect this or even the next version to be useful for much outside of gaming and media consumption. Neither of those VR features are innovative, it's the traditional focus, but Apple is more likely than most to move this into compelling AR uses as 3rd party developers become more creative.
All that is simply opinion. Yours is too. It's a bit early to claim either, or neither of us is more accurate about how it plays out.
I don’t know why I said it that way, sorry. But I do agree that it will take a few models to gain mainstream success. As for the reasons you gave for it being not fully hatched…You can use that same logic with almost everything human beings have ever made. Evolution takes time. And money. But most importantly, patience.
Wish I could see everyone’s comments on the iPhone in 2007.
This is unlike anything else on the market.
Like I said in a post about this a few weeks ago on here: no one will care. It's quite uninspiring for most people. Just another take on AR/VR. Some people will buy it, most likely the tech head that buys anything new that comes out. Nobody is going to be queuing up for this! It's no iPhone or iPad.
You claim "no one" will care which you think follow up with a change to "most people" instead of all. You can also say "most people" don't have an iPhone as that's also accurate, but it sure brings in a low of revenue and profit for Apple. If yuo recall the iPod announcement, people in the audience scratching their head wondering what the hell Jobs was thinking.
My advice to you is to not bet against Apple simply because a product isn't for you.
The iPhone replaced a phone/iPod The iPad replaced a cheap PC The Watch replaced, a watch AirPods replaced headphones Vision Pro replaces what? A ski mask?
Should have kept Ive.
Everything you’ve mentioned is one physical device replacing another physical device. That notion completely misses the point of VR, AR, and XR where you are replacing physical items in physical space with virtual items in virtual space.
Physical devices in physical space have many inherent limitations and constraints, many of which cannot be practically overcome.
For example, say your optimal computing setup is to have 4 large high resolution monitors sitting in front of you in your office. You’ll need the physical space to fit those monitors, all the physical mounting hardware, electrical power outlets, proper airflow, etc.
What if your “office” is also your kitchen table, a corner of your garage, or a dark bedroom shared with someone else who’s trying to sleep? In this case you are limited by the physical space itself, which may block you from doing what you really want to do. I suppose you could remodel your office to add more physical space, or force your partner to sleep on the couch, but that’ll cost you a bit of money or marital bliss.
In virtual space you are no longer constrained by the physical limitations. You can have your 4 screen display setup and don’t have to concern yourself with physical things like mounting hardware, desk space, electrical outlets, ambient lighting conditions, or the needs of other people you’re sharing space with.
When you move your physical self to the back deck to enjoy some fresh air and a latte, your virtual space moves with you, including your 4 hi-res monitors. All of the physical limitations and associated clap trap like dusty screens, snakes nest of wires and cables, power cords, and even electricity are no longer of concern.
The Apple Vision Pro replaces physical space, with all of its limitations and constraints, with virtual space with virtually no limitations or constraints.
This kind of replacement the Apple Vision Pro delivers is a total game changer. It makes the physical device to physical device replacements you’ve mentioned seem trivial by comparison.
Typically complaints from people who have no vision (ha ha get it). Look you haven’t used it yet! Beside Apple doesn’t care that you think it’s to expensive. Enough people will by this and it will only get better with time. There are lots of people who can afford this device. Here the thing just because it might not be for you doesn’t mean it won’t sell. No one says I can’t buy the c8 corvette because I can’t get my family in it. Come on people no product is for everyone. When I first got an Apple Watch no one had one now everyone does.
I think it looks amazing for version one. Meta should just give up right now and saves themselves from wasted money. Anyway you’re foolish to call it’s success because using is key. This is a device that has to be used and experienced. I can think of 10 amazing things this thing could do and maybe one of those will be your turning moment.
Apple has way more successful products than failures. I wouldn’t bet on them.
It does not seem like a very Apple-y product, but that's not unexpected either. It's a first gen, and according to reports was intended for developers anyway. Three years out they may have something. At the moment it seems like it was pushed out to the retail market before it's fully hatched, and I'm not sure why altho I could guess there's some other nearly-finished products from potential competitors coming before the year is out.
No doubt some regular users here will rush to buy a Vision Pro anyway; after all, it's from Apple. By the time it's fully developed in gen 3 I would expect it to be half to a third of the current price. That's when it may capture my interest. Or not.
Not fully hatched?
It seems like they put a lot of love and energy into addressing all the shortcomings other AR headset suffer from. So I’m just curious as to what you need to see for it to be considered “fully hatched ”?
Dude, it's gatorguy, what did you expect? If he said he loved it, we'd all need to press him to get a brain MRI, stat, to find the tumor.
Right on. I’m not familiar with him or his brand of negativity.
You've confused realistic with negative. Apple may well have a hit on it's hands with future iterations, and if anyone can be successful with it, it's Apple. But it's not this version of it. In fact I don't expect this or even the next version to be useful for much outside of gaming and media consumption. Neither of those VR features are innovative, it's the traditional focus, but Apple is more likely than most to move this into compelling AR uses as 3rd party developers become more creative.
All that is simply opinion. Yours is too. It's a bit early to claim either, or neither of us is more accurate about how it plays out.
The ramp up for this product will be similar to the Apple Watch and Apple Pay, or even the iPhone, which all took about three years to really get rolling, what’s impressive is that Apple has created a whole new ecosystem system that developers and users can enjoy.
With all-new Apple products, sometimes you have to have a hands-on experience. That old saying comes to mind; you can't judge a book by its cover. Many people did not understand the iPhone when it was first released. The iMac was laughed at! That said, the Mac Trash can was very powerful but lacked interest from many people. Time will tell so I won't give it a score. I have to use it to understand it. Apple will make changes to its design as time go on. So it's up to you, Father Time to call the shots.
Did they mention how you are supposed to connect it to a computer to play VR games with it? I didn’t see mention of an additional cable or anything. Can it be plugged into a Windows machine as well? If not, it’s pretty useless for gaming. If the only games you can play on it are the ones you can download from the VR App Store, I don’t see how this is going to work as anything but an executive toy. No one is going to spend that much money to play Apple Arcade games.
It’s not there to support the PC, and if there’s any connection or bridge that’s on Microsoft, and in light of the fact that they’re buying Activision I don’t think they’re gonna put much effort other than porting over Microsoft office to the device as shown briefly in the presentation.
Wish I could see everyone’s comments on the iPhone in 2007.
This is unlike anything else on the market.
Like I said in a post about this a few weeks ago on here: no one will care. It's quite uninspiring for most people. Just another take on AR/VR. Some people will buy it, most likely the tech head that buys anything new that comes out. Nobody is going to be queuing up for this! It's no iPhone or iPad!
No one will care until they do, the regular Joe had no clue about an iPhone or an iPad. Heck, most of the country today (USA) still doesn’t even own a Mac, Apple‘s market has never been the absolute low end. But if you want to get into the high end, I would suggest you buy shares in Apple and certainly in 2 to 4 years you’ll be able to afford the entire catalog of Apple devices.
Did they mention how you are supposed to connect it to a computer to play VR games with it? I didn’t see mention of an additional cable or anything. Can it be plugged into a Windows machine as well? If not, it’s pretty useless for gaming. If the only games you can play on it are the ones you can download from the VR App Store, I don’t see how this is going to work as anything but an executive toy. No one is going to spend that much money to play Apple Arcade games.
Typically complaints from people who have no vision (ha ha get it). Look you haven’t used it yet! Beside Apple doesn’t care that you think it’s to expensive. Enough people will by this and it will only get better with time. There are lots of people who can afford this device. Here the thing just because it might not be for you doesn’t mean it won’t sell. No one says I can’t buy the c8 corvette because I can’t get my family in it. Come on people no product is for everyone. When I first got an Apple Watch no one had one now everyone does.
I think it looks amazing for version one. Meta should just give up right now and saves themselves from wasted money. Anyway you’re foolish to call it’s success because using is key. This is a device that has to be used and experienced. I can think of 10 amazing things this thing could do and maybe one of those will be your turning moment.
Apple has way more successful products than failures. I wouldn’t bet on them.
Meta will be in between a rock and a hard place. Do they support Apple‘s new device and try to push forward their headgear? The test will be how much does Zuckerberg believe…. In his device?
9secondkox2 said: Then I saw they’re using Unity as their 3D base. So it will only be Apple Arcade games.
Huh? Lots of different games use Unity, not just Apple Arcade. Disco Elysium is a Unity game. Not really sure if that'd be good in VR as is, but it's one hell of an immersive game.
Duh. And they all look like old, cheap mobile games.
Compare unity graphics to unreal 5. No contest.
That was the point by the way. Not the fact that some games are made with unity.
This is some Star Trek shit right here and y’all complaining bcoz “it doesn’t look like apple,” “it’s too clunky,” “it’s too expensive.” Cry me a fucking river. This is awesome! Will I spend that much money on it, likely no. But I’m sure as hell gonna try it out at the store. The implications are astounding as far as I’m concerned.
Guys… this can replace your iMac, your laptop, and your iPad.
Have you not watched any science-fiction movies? This is what futuristic computing looks like. This is a fundamental breakthrough in computing.
I am considering buying an Apple laptop. But I am very interested to see how this can be used for spreadsheets, written documents, business and personal website, surfing, website development (maybe?), and not to mention mind blowing entertainment.
Let me warn you: you don’t want to be that guy that disses this Apple product, only to see in a few years how it’s obviously changing the entire computing landscape.
Everyone has been waiting for a major breakthrough in computing. Well, I can tell you, it’s not gonna come from Microsoft, Google, or Dell, North, some extremely well funded start up… But it has come from the company that successfully commercialized the PC, online music purchases, the smart mobile phone in a big way, and smart watches.
It’s only a matter of time before you’re going to eat your words.
Haters back off. Open your mind to a possibly profound computing breakthrough. In five years, this is what most are going to be using for their primary computing device.
Bruh. Honest criticism isn’t hate. It’s reality.
And pie in the sky ideas of what’s “possible” have been going on forever. Meta did the same thing snd folks are still waiting for actual results. Even bringing Disney up to “imagineer” what’s possible was the same old “look! Mickey is in your living room!” Pokémon go anyone? Then Disney’s closer of “Disney Plus, yo!” Was exactly why it’s just not a big deal. Seeing my kitchen table in the background instead of my computer desktop while working on Microsoft office is hardly compelling.
So far, what apple has shown isn’t even Mac level. It’s just like a nice yo have extra toy. None of it is essential, necessary, or transformative. There’s literally nothing you can accomplish here that you can’t on a Mac, iPad, or iPhone.
So far, it’s a $3500.00 Netflix machine that plays iPhone games - uncomfortably while wearing a helmet, a long wire, and a battery pack on your body.
This is some Star Trek shit right here and y’all complaining bcoz “it doesn’t look like apple,” “it’s too clunky,” “it’s too expensive.” Cry me a fucking river. This is awesome! Will I spend that much money on it, likely no. But I’m sure as hell gonna try it out at the store. The implications are astounding as far as I’m concerned.
Great. You’re in a niche group. Go buy and enjoy. It’s pretty neat I guess. Just don’t expect it to be the next iPhone.
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you wouldn't need artwork on your physical walls - could be all virtual
and - i hate to say it - this is going to revolutionize porn
if smartphones made people more stupid, this thing is a facehugging lobotomy
they will sell every unit they can manufacture
My advice to you is to not bet against Apple simply because a product isn't for you.
Physical devices in physical space have many inherent limitations and constraints, many of which cannot be practically overcome.
What if your “office” is also your kitchen table, a corner of your garage, or a dark bedroom shared with someone else who’s trying to sleep? In this case you are limited by the physical space itself, which may block you from doing what you really want to do. I suppose you could remodel your office to add more physical space, or force your partner to sleep on the couch, but that’ll cost you a bit of money or marital bliss.
Is Vision Pro at $3500 too much?