Is it possible that a future OS update will prevent my current Mac from booting into OS9? Or is that a change that will happen only with a hardware change?
Is it possible that a future OS update will prevent my current Mac from booting into OS9? Or is that a change that will happen only with a hardware change?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I dunno...
But I can say this. If the new OS comes with a FIRMWARE update then it *could* be made to NOT boot into 9 (I said could). If the new OS doesn't then you **SHOULD** be safe (I said should).
In short READ the read-me for ANY new firmware or OS updates.
Future computers can be made to only boot a certain OS but I don't think OS X would be able to do this. If anything, OS X will come with a special kind of Classic that cannot be booted into. It can only be used for the Classic environment. If you want to boot into OS 9 then you'll need to keep a separate OS 9 partition that cannot be used for Classic use but merely to boot the machine from.
I tell you, some dumb ass' (Sorry couldnt help myself <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> ) will call it PIN-OT</strong><hr></blockquote>
Probably Steve himself...
It'll become a new Apple tradition, every new significant X update will have a codename that Steve can't pronounce:
<strong>Future computers can be made to only boot a certain OS but I don't think OS X would be able to do this. If anything, OS X will come with a special kind of Classic that cannot be booted into. It can only be used for the Classic environment. If you want to boot into OS 9 then you'll need to keep a separate OS 9 partition that cannot be used for Classic use but merely to boot the machine from.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Er, you've got it backwards.
Hardware isn't made to run an OS, OSs are made to run on hardware.
9 won't run on hardware that it wasn't designed for. If Apple comes out with new hardware that 9 isn't updated for, then it may not boot on it. Heck, go grab a copy of System 7 and boot it on your QuickSilver... won't work. Expect the same thing with 9 at some point on future hardware.
Now like DaveGee said, it *is* theoretically possible to create a firmware update for current hardware that would just plain break 9... but that's pretty extreme. I'd be utterly shocked if this occurred (and ticked).
Your current OS9 will continue to work on your current hardware for as long as you wish (barring that theoretical firmware update).
I could see it getting called ... "pinto."</strong><hr></blockquote>
oh sure, let's name it after a line of cars that had a reputation for spontaneously blowing up in accidents.
folks, this is exactly why there was never a "lemon" iMac, and the term "suck" was removed from OS X (the alternate minimizing effect). otherwise, you're just writing the jokes for the other companies to tell.
hey, why in the HELL is my login now suddenly unregistered?!?!? where's all my posts?!?! my legacy?!?!?! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Hmm... Something tells me that Pinot _should_ stand for the refinement, for the riping process of the OS. And why not have a big dark red X on the cover of 10.3? January wouldn't be too early to disclose information. It'll be half a year since Jaguar's introduction (which is _more_ than enough) and they could release it on March 24, call it THE Mac OS X, the really-really-really finished version and announce that OS 9 is now dead for users, too. Great fanfares and bye-bye 9ers and iWhiners... Along with a complete new lineup in hardware (I'm dreaming, I know, it's almost 5 AM here in Switzerland...)
Apple could have a blood red variation of Aqua (red scroll bars and highlights and stuff) and a special 'grapes' background with Wine in glasses. Would be cool <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>That geek.com article only said Macworld 2003. I was wondering whether that was MWSF or MWNY. MWNY is more in line with what Moki seems to imply about the IBM chips in his posts. Four months also seems a little fast to move from 10.2 to 10.3 (especially if they are going to be charging for these upgrades).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe 10.3 will be a free upgrade the way 10.1 was?
If that is true, you have to remember that 10.1 came out 6 months after 10.0, so 10.3 coming out 5 months after 10.2 wouldn't be a far stretch in the realm of possiblilties.
<strong>I've read some things on <a href="http://www.geek.com"; target="_blank">www.geek.com</a> and they say that MWSF 2003 is the target for the next OS X update= code-named "Pinot". That update should implement support for next gen processors from IBM.
Also read that IBM would or wanted to reach 2 Ghz with their PPC's in late 2002. This could be the 64-bit processor, they will show 15th Oct.
Hope keeps us alive. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps it's called Pinot because it'll make other OSes whine!
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Is it possible that a future OS update will prevent my current Mac from booting into OS9? Or is that a change that will happen only with a hardware change?
<strong>Could someone reassure me, here.
Is it possible that a future OS update will prevent my current Mac from booting into OS9? Or is that a change that will happen only with a hardware change?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I dunno...
But I can say this. If the new OS comes with a FIRMWARE update then it *could* be made to NOT boot into 9 (I said could). If the new OS doesn't then you **SHOULD** be safe (I said should).
In short READ the read-me for ANY new firmware or OS updates.
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I tell you, some dumb ass' (Sorry couldnt help myself <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> ) will call it PIN-OT</strong><hr></blockquote>
Probably Steve himself...
It'll become a new Apple tradition, every new significant X update will have a codename that Steve can't pronounce:
Jaguar, Jag-wire
Pinot, Pin-ott
The possibilities seem limitless
[ 08-15-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
and isn't cute how in that example both are correct! hahaha
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It is pronounced "pee-no" -- as in the grape. Think French.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know how it's pronounced. I was just having so fun with the name.
[ 08-15-2002: Message edited by: sc_markt ]</p>
<strong>Future computers can be made to only boot a certain OS but I don't think OS X would be able to do this. If anything, OS X will come with a special kind of Classic that cannot be booted into. It can only be used for the Classic environment. If you want to boot into OS 9 then you'll need to keep a separate OS 9 partition that cannot be used for Classic use but merely to boot the machine from.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Er, you've got it backwards.
Hardware isn't made to run an OS, OSs are made to run on hardware.
9 won't run on hardware that it wasn't designed for. If Apple comes out with new hardware that 9 isn't updated for, then it may not boot on it. Heck, go grab a copy of System 7 and boot it on your QuickSilver... won't work. Expect the same thing with 9 at some point on future hardware.
Now like DaveGee said, it *is* theoretically possible to create a firmware update for current hardware that would just plain break 9... but that's pretty extreme. I'd be utterly shocked if this occurred (and ticked).
Your current OS9 will continue to work on your current hardware for as long as you wish (barring that theoretical firmware update).
You sort of asked:
its = possesive (his, hers)
it's = contraction of "it is"
Isn't english a great language?
Das war nicht die Frage, aber trotzdem vielen Dank für die Antwort.
Orson made the commercial before the advent of subtitles for the hearing impaired, so we'll never know the meaning of what he said.
Pinot is also supposed to have Junkyard which is reportedly a program used to retrieve crap you erase on accident.<hr></blockquote>
I like the <a href="http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?threadid=9089"; target="_blank">one rumor</a> that calls it a recycling program for "switchers". I wonder what other interesting rumors will come out of this one.
I still want to know the significance of a French grape OS. What's Steve been smoking?
Maybe the next iteration is just about refinements. Subtle things that show the OS is maturing...or aging. Ya know, like wine.
Nah.
Given the prevalence of wine-growing not a million miles away from Cupertino, it sounds pretty reasonable.
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I could see it getting called ... "pinto."</strong><hr></blockquote>
oh sure, let's name it after a line of cars that had a reputation for spontaneously blowing up in accidents.
folks, this is exactly why there was never a "lemon" iMac, and the term "suck" was removed from OS X (the alternate minimizing effect). otherwise, you're just writing the jokes for the other companies to tell.
it will only be nessasary for the new machines that come out at MWSF, so people will not have to buy it.
well they have to get a new machine
<strong>That geek.com article only said Macworld 2003. I was wondering whether that was MWSF or MWNY. MWNY is more in line with what Moki seems to imply about the IBM chips in his posts. Four months also seems a little fast to move from 10.2 to 10.3 (especially if they are going to be charging for these upgrades).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe 10.3 will be a free upgrade the way 10.1 was?
If that is true, you have to remember that 10.1 came out 6 months after 10.0, so 10.3 coming out 5 months after 10.2 wouldn't be a far stretch in the realm of possiblilties.
<strong>I've read some things on <a href="http://www.geek.com"; target="_blank">www.geek.com</a> and they say that MWSF 2003 is the target for the next OS X update= code-named "Pinot". That update should implement support for next gen processors from IBM.
Also read that IBM would or wanted to reach 2 Ghz with their PPC's in late 2002. This could be the 64-bit processor, they will show 15th Oct.
Hope keeps us alive. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps it's called Pinot because it'll make other OSes whine!
ba boom tscha...