Craig Federighi ignited Apple's AI efforts after using Microsoft's Copilot

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Despite years of working to develop AI systems, it wasn't until Christmas 2022 when Craig Federighi played with Copilot that the company truly got behind the idea.

Man with gray hair, wearing a light shirt, closely inspecting an open laptop illuminated by a soft pink light.
Apple's Senior Vice President of Software Engineering, Craig Federighi



The conventional wisdom is that Apple is far behind the rest of the technology industry in its use and deployment of AI. That has seemed nonsensical since Apple has had Siri for almost 15 years, and a head of AI since 2018.

However, a new report from the Wall Street Journal claims that despite all these years working on Machine Learning, and despite having ex-Google AI chief John Giannandrea, it could be true that Apple is substantially behind. Reportedly, Giannandrea and his team have struggled to fit in with Apple, and to get AI implemented.

A disconnect from a highly deadline-focused Apple and the more Google-like relaxed team run by Giannandrea, prevented the company forming a cohesive, coherent AI plan. Giannandrea was also reportedly held back by a lack of resources given to him within Apple, to the extent that his team regularly used Google's cloud services for its work.

Across Apple, different teams also continued working on AI features independently. That included Craig Federighi's team, which according to unnamed former Apple employees, invested in building up the AI behind its image and video capabilities.

But ultimately it was Federighi who has changed Apple's approach to AI. He is said to have spent Christmas 2022 playing with Microsoft Copilot, powered by ChatGPT, and that made him an AI convert.

Subsequently, his team of software engineers were given resources to pursue AI and specifically generative AI. Federighi is reported to have said in Apple meetings that he had now come to appreciate its benefits, and that it will be incorporated into all of Apple's software.

It's not clear whether this work is being done solely by Federighi's team without Giannandrea's. However, the two men were both involved in meeting with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, which appears to have led to a deal that will be announced at WWDC on June 10, 2024.



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  • Reply 1 of 69
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,695member
    Apple could trademark the term "Apple Intelligence" to try to get people to think of Apple when they think of "AI".
    jas99libertyandfreeCuJoYYCwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 69
    pascal007pascal007 Posts: 121member
    Apple could trademark the term "Apple Intelligence" to try to get people to think of Apple when they think of "AI".
    I’m sure they thought about it, but went against it as it would be a constant source of derision if Apple’s AI implementation ended up  as good as their current Siri. 
    williamlondonelijahgctt_zh
  • Reply 3 of 69
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,448member
    Apple could trademark the term "Apple Intelligence" to try to get people to think of Apple when they think of "AI".
    Or Ally which sounds like AI but conveys functionality as well
    davwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 69
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,591member
    Shouldn't it be Christmas of 2023 and not 2022? I don't think Copilot had been released until middle of last year had it?

    If so Craig played with it 6 months ago, not a year and a half back, and thus Apple didn't get serious until earlier this year, perhaps the last 4-5 months. 

    EDIT: Verified that Copilot wasn't announced until March of last year. But apparently Mr. Federighi was playing around with pre-release Github code on the project. 
    edited June 6 jas99Ofermuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 5 of 69
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,527member
    If only Craig had watched WestWorld— he could have figured it out even sooner.
    jellyapplewatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 69
    aptfxaptfx Posts: 8member
    This „is behind“ thinking is a completely wrong idea. The idea of it is that there are companies like OpenAI, Meta, Google and lots of others competing about foundational AI models and that Apple would be late in the game on that.

    The real competition Apple faces is in „use of AI features“. Foundational models are hyped upon because all of this is new, but in the long run there are not really useful as end user products. There are already lots of very good Open Source foundation models. Llama 3 is very comparable to GPT 4 and there are MANY other options. Finetuning those models for specific purposes and building actual product features around them is the real thing to be done.

    its pointless to compete on foundation models for Apple.
    gregoriusmtmaymattinozthtjas99StrangeDaysdanoxwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 69
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,527member
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    jas99watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 69
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,971member
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Yet two major endeavours didn't, or haven't, materialised. The car project and the 5G modem. AI is coming, but later than others and part of that would seem to be contracted from outside. They also had to halt the ship for a week for a bug fixing effort.

    Perhaps they are stretched a little thin on the required resources and the strategic decision making process might not be as good as it could be. 
    CrossPlatformFroggerelijahg
  • Reply 9 of 69
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,527member
    avon b7 said:
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Yet two major endeavours didn't, or haven't, materialised. The car project and the 5G modem. AI is coming, but later than others and part of that would seem to be contracted from outside. They also had to halt the ship for a week for a bug fixing effort.

    Perhaps they are stretched a little thin on the required resources and the strategic decision making process might not be as good as it could be. 
    Perhaps I should have also added "laws of patents" as a binding constraint. I think that's the issue with 5G. 

    Cancelling the car project doesn't mean they couldn't do it, only that they concluded doing it doesn't make sense. It would also seem that autonomous driving is a much harder problem than first imagined. 

    I think you're right that the strategic decision making process is an issue. I'm not sure it's correct that it could be better, but I think it is correct that it WAS better under Steve Jobs, just because he had an uncanny ability to realize early in a process which ideas were worth pursuing and which were not. I recall him making the point that R&D is only expensive when you spend money on a bad idea. If you only spend money on good ideas, it's not very expensive at all. And so the key is to quickly identify the bad ideas and shut them down. So Apple is missing Steve, but the good news is that nobody else has him, either. 
    tmaywilliamlondonihatescreennameswatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 69
    mikethemartianmikethemartian Posts: 1,473member
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Except build a car or modem.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 11 of 69
    mikethemartianmikethemartian Posts: 1,473member
    blastdoor said:
    avon b7 said:
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Yet two major endeavours didn't, or haven't, materialised. The car project and the 5G modem. AI is coming, but later than others and part of that would seem to be contracted from outside. They also had to halt the ship for a week for a bug fixing effort.

    Perhaps they are stretched a little thin on the required resources and the strategic decision making process might not be as good as it could be. 
    Perhaps I should have also added "laws of patents" as a binding constraint. I think that's the issue with 5G.
    Sure if you can copy other people’s work it makes it a lot easier.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 12 of 69
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,527member
    blastdoor said:
    avon b7 said:
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Yet two major endeavours didn't, or haven't, materialised. The car project and the 5G modem. AI is coming, but later than others and part of that would seem to be contracted from outside. They also had to halt the ship for a week for a bug fixing effort.

    Perhaps they are stretched a little thin on the required resources and the strategic decision making process might not be as good as it could be. 
    Perhaps I should have also added "laws of patents" as a binding constraint. I think that's the issue with 5G.
    Sure if you can copy other people’s work it makes it a lot easier.
    Sometimes it turns out that there’s only one way to do something. If that way is patented, then you have to pay the patent owner. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 69
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,527member
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Except build a car or modem.
    Ironic that you're copying someone else's post. But you're right -- it is a lot easier than having an original thought. 
    tmaydanoxwilliamlondon13485watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 69
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,280member
    2017 the Neural Engine was first introduced by Apple. 

    The software and hardware (tools) foundations have been in place for many years and there have been many pieces of software designed using what Apple has already released. The existence of a new button called CoPilot or calling something a AI computer won't affect the back of house infrastructure encoded by Apple the ground has already been laid the PC crowd and some of the Apple crowd just slept thru it because Robbie the Robot didn't hold their hand.

    Recall and CoPilot will bore the PC public in a hurry remember the Gamer Boy/Tech/YouTube Crowd attention span is very short they miss the foundational work all the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A11#Neural_Engine

    https://developer.apple.com/machine-learning/core-ml/

    https://www.macobserver.com/tips/deep-dive/what-is-apple-neural-engine/
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 69
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,280member

    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Except build a car or modem.


    It is/has been normal for Apple and other companies to design build and engineer prototypes that never see the light of day so what? 10 billion dollars is a far cry less than Microsofts 69 billion dollars for a game content company or Googles 12.5 billion dollar debacle acquiring Motorola. Apples largest acquisition on record is only 3 billion dollars.
    tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 69
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,970member
    Please tell me his reaction to Copilot was “This sucks we can do better” and not “We should do something like this”. 
    zeus423danoxwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 69
    I’m not sure where these “Apple Universe” stories come from.  Most likely, Giannandrea and Federighi communicate frequently throughout the development process.  I also don’t think Apple is “behind” with regard to AI.  There are things that are being worked on that are years out — maybe some of those things got moved up and other things pushed out.  Google is perceived and being on the forefront of this tech, and look at the issues they have had and are having.
    williamlondondanoxwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 69
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 656member
    The plus is we know our data will not be sold off like the others will.
    williamlondonzeus423watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 69
    nubusnubus Posts: 575member
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Having an idea and an abundance of cash didn't work at Xerox PARC. It doesn't help much at IBM or Intel. The main new feature of iPhone 15 Pro was an extra button. USB-C was a requirement made by politicians. The main new feature of the next iOS will be... OpenAI powered by Microsoft.

    Jobs made Apple the most valuable company in 2011. Cook has moved Apple down to #3. It has been a decade of iterative upgrades from Apple with AirPods and M-series being the stars. 
    CrossPlatformFroggerwilliamlondondanox
  • Reply 20 of 69
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,732member
    blastdoor said:
    The quote that resonated with me from the WSJ article is that Apple can do pretty much anything they set their minds to. I think that really is the bottom line. Apple has competent management, smart employees, and practically limitless financial resources. When you have those things, you can do just about anything (within the laws of physics)
    Competent management wouldn't have let Siri languish for a decade or spent $1 billion a year on a failed car project.  The state of Vision Pro is still up in the air.  Competent management would have also invested whatever it takes to have their own in-house LLM to power Siri and have their own AI datacenter infrastructure ready to go by now.  Apple saw the potential of technologies like Siri when they acquired it over a decade ago.  They should leaders in this field at this point.  Instead, it's OpenAI, Microsoft and Nvidia stealing the limelight.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
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